This Famous Conductor DESTROYED the poor musicians

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[@umarth]

They say the French Horn is called the "instrument of God"... because whenever they play a note, only God knows what's going to come out.

[@miwir1248]

umarth unlike violas where we are sure what is going to come out (Jk jk pls no hate)

[@kamilee4123]

French horns are either best sounding section in the orchestra or the worst there’s no in between.

[@miwir1248]

Kami Lee but they (the instruments!) are the best looking

[@FilipusWisnumurti]

Especially the high register

[@tea43]

I play Horn and I don't even know what's coming out of it half of the time.

[@trodat07]

"Never take it personal while being part of an orchestra" Minutes later: "You, you, you, you!!!"

[@silverbroom02]

Bless this comment for breaking the tension after listening to that part!

[@mikanchan322]

that part gave me anxiety and I don't even play in an orchestra

[@mutantfroggy]

I've had music stands fly over my head, this bit was stressful 😥

[@juliav8276]

My teacher did that once. It was a middle school orchestra. The conductor just lost her shit at us.

[@anildo1372]

@@mikanchan322 same I probably would've left that orchestra and been traumatized for life if that happened to me

[@philipmay3548]

My favorite Toscanini quote, insulting an orchestra - “After I die, I shall return to earth as a gatekeeper of a bordello and I won't let any of you enter.”

[@Saskatchetooner]

That’s awesome 🤣🤣

[@kateealer7]

And it currently has 69 likes.

[@Nikioko]

Well, music is direct democracy. The one with the magic wand in his hand may speak.

[@girlwithoutpearlearring]

This needs more likes

[@enricomarconi8358]

My Favourite one is the following: (Soprano says) "Maestro, but I am a STAR" (Toscanini) "Yes, dear but you must know that when the Sun shines, stars cannot be seen".

[@amberjette8635]

Musicians: shocked when conductor/teacher/director yells at them. Dancers: first time?

[@ak-bb9nz]

Amber Jette so true

[@andie9599]

omg yes

[@linglingsviolin3454]

athletes: wait you guys didn't know this?

[@hermione09]

i dont think musicians are shocked because it does happen often, just like dance im sure. but when it does happen, you are never really fully prepared for it

[@juliomedina8881]

@@hermione09 nah in dance this happens at LEAST once a day, depending on the instructor 😂

[@emilianopapagna9616]

The privilege of being Italian just to fully understand Toscanini roasting his orchestra.

[@matildeurbani3310]

Yep

[@francescadifeola6667]

Esatto

[@unsteadyowo]

yeah

[@may-jg3vm]

right

[@rocketqueen9887]

Lmaooo

[@konayasai]

“You conduct, you lose” is the electricians' motto.

[@AriesUmbra]

konaya underrated comment

[@sitiaqmarinazahrah3023]

Yooooooo

[@dulcimoo]

Shocking and True!

[@stonefish7745]

lol

[@aliaebbert8400]

LOL

[@kurachan101]

I started crying when Toscanini said "you are not a musician" and I don't even play an instrument. It felt like their whole existence was being invalidated and that was simply painful...

[@Zawmbbeh]

I never understand negative enforcement like that. It makes you give up, why would you want that from your orchestra? Who would want miserable musicians playing a joyful piece? It just boggles my mind how this ever worked in the first place

[@der4rdi]

​@@Zawmbbeh The guy was/is famous. He probably knows that he can fire any one of them and have ten people willing and eager to put up with his shit lined up just outside the door.

[@seankim2916]

@@der4rdi he never fired musicians. Toscanini had a great respect for musicians and helped many people land jobs. Also in that clip he basically apologized at a later point.

[@hansmahr8627]

Yeah, Toscanini became a tyrant when he stood on the podium but in private life, he was apparently a really nice guy who helped his musicians when they had money problems or other issues. Barenboim is supposed to be like that too.

[@seankim2916]

@@Zawmbbeh he was just angry, later in the clip he says “you are a great bass player in an orchestra, but in an Italian opera you are terrible!” If someone like Toscanini says your bad trust me, you suck.

[@MydearestSixsmith1931]

I found out something interesting that some may not know: Jose Carreras, that was singing to Leonard Bernstein and got ahead of Bernstein, was doing this while suffering a major illness. Jose Carreras was diagnosed with Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia that was discovered due to an oral infection that would not heal. The full video shows him holding his mouth at times. He endured difficult chemo and radiation, bone marrow transplant, and was given a 1 in 10 chance of recovery. I was pleased to find out, however, that he did recover and returned to doing what he obviously loved doing. The pressure he was under with that unhealing infection in his gums, teeth, and jaw bone going on must have been overwhelming. He had to know some bad news of some kind was coming when something like that wouldn't get better. Keep an eye on your bodies people, if something is hurt, or infected, and won't heal, get checked out head to toe by a doctor that's interested in helping you, and wants to take the time, and thorough steps, of finding out what all is going on.

[@Ch1oe2472]

Massive props to Carreras for doing this in such a stressful environment.

[@Phoenix-ks8sc]

Guys, Jose Carreras became one of the greatest tenors of the last century!

[@aliyarubinstein6587]

BRO that is just... thats so unbelievable.. my heart goes out for that guy

[@enricomarconi8358]

Very Sad about Carreras... I think Bernstein should have engaged someone else for the role.

[@siniorgolazo]

Yep, in fact the very idea of the The Three Tenors thing was to prop up Carreras career after overcoming leukemia and to raise money for leukemia research

[@Fewquest]

Eddy: " No laugh No flinch No cringe" Eddy 5 seconds later: *WHEEZE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHSSHSHA*

[@blancbunny3543]

So me😂

[@stew148]

My mum is a therapist and she had a client who is a musician that needed therapy because their conductor screamed at them in a concert because they stuffed up.

[@Xezlec]

Screamed at them in a CONCERT?! You're kidding!

[@rosinfilledpecncil6926]

Awwww that's so sad. :( I hope your mom helped them get better.

[@madelyndavenport295]

Why did reading this hit me in the feels so much. Imagining this happening made me wanna cry

[@conz2078]

i feel for them

[@jelly4074]

Talent doesn’t justify abuse. I hope they are ok now

[@mini3mayhem]

I grew up with a conductor as my adoptive uncle and holy hell was he terrifying. Incredibly sweet guy but never ever under any circumstances get him annoyed. He had a glare that could freeze over hell.

[@fevre_dream8542]

I sang opera (as a student program kinda thing) for a few years and holy crap, the directors could get incredibly aggro.

[@shannonking6402]

I like to think I learned how to do proper death glares from my choir conductor, that shit still haunts me lmao

[@claricelin-1645]

@@shannonking6402 My conductors all managed to have that killer death stare lmao imagine being singled out by them for a bad first note T-T

[@eugenvonbismarck5029]

Criteria of every conductor

[@kennichdendenn]

Im so happy to do this as a hobby - the conductors do have standards, but if they start abusing us we can just leave. Nothing lost there.

[@nathanhaimson]

I'm glad I quit ballet and decided against going professional. Ballet teachers in particular are brutal. My main two throughout my life were nice, but when I first started at 3 years old, my parents pulled me out of a dance studio cause the teacher was so mean to literal toddlers (I wasn't even in kindergarten yet). She kept making me dance without shoes because we were doing a tap routine and she hadn't notified the parents to buy tap shoes and relied on the 3 year olds to relay that info to their parents. Eventually everyone had their shoes but me cause I didn't even realize she was expecting ME to tell my parents I needed tap shoes, and I had no clue why she was being mean to me. Plus I was shy, sensitive, and nervous about getting in trouble so I never mentioned it to my parents. Either my mom or dad came early to pick me up and saw me without shoes and that's when they had an argument about it. Smh. I don't know why she would treat pre-schoolers like that.

[@bigmystery3910]

I also did ballet... it was interesting. One particular teacher loved to call us apes and we were forbidden to yawn in her class. At least I learned how to yawn through my nose though ;)

[@mokachoco89]

Omg that sucks! It’s so ridiculous !!! I had a rhythmic gymnastics teacher when I was 3 that was also like that 😵 I had 2 teachers, one was an angel and the other would scream and bitch with literal 3 and 4 year olds :/ she would single me out because whenever she arrived I would leave practice and sit by the mirrors and ignore everything she would say to me. She didn’t want to let me participate in the school’s dance recital saying I didn’t practice and that I would mess everyone’s work but my mother wasn’t having it after learning how she was. I did the recital and did everything perfectly to her dismay. Years later in a new school apparently she saw me and my sister and scared the other teachers saying we were the worst but she got screwed because everyone loved us 😜 she eventually didn’t get her contract renovated because of her so called “methods”.... seriously I don’t know why some people act like this 🙃 I babysit and I just can’t grasp why a rational human being would be like that?! Why the hell would you scream at a toddler??? Ridiculous....

[@malka1762]

I genuinely hope that person isn't still teaching, they obviously don't know how to interact with children. The shoes thing alone is baffling. Reminds me of an art teacher who tried to critique and demand stuff from kids like they're uni students getting an art degree, not literal 5th graders from a general high school.

[@dallasstiles118]

Needed something in her life, we can guess what that is probly

[@fevre_dream8542]

I have a few friends who did (note, past tense) ballet. I'm 26. They were out of the career by their mid-20s because the people they worked for trained them so hard, even in high school. There's only so much abuse the body can take.

[@ahsenmughal9675]

Toscanini is like the Gordon Ramsey of music

[@RedHair651]

Ahsen Mughal Except Toscanini actually is worthy of being taken seriously.

[@arctrog]

​@@RedHair651 Gordan Ramsay is more than deserved of being taken seriously but like with America's got talent Ramsay has producers who want to make money through fabricated drama

[@paulmayerpiano]

Apparently he knew every score he conducted from memory, so if he can hear and remember that much, you know you can't get away with anything. Tough to work like that. We also don't have any background - this could have been the 5th time there was a problem at this spot, at which point it's understandable that he would lose patience. This is pretty raw though. Like he's not holding back even a little bit.

[@Michael-uw6vi]

Ramsey is the Toscanini of cooking.

[@arctrog]

@@Michael-uw6vi that's fair

[@MrDamojak]

Not gonna lie, I got all hyped up when the conductor started making war cries.

[@MrBloodyBat]

I thought it really made it interesting! More than it already was! I felt like I was part of a movie, listening to that! :D

[@EUSL84]

I would love to do some of that to relieve some stress you know? And feel more powerful while playing 🧐

[@maximiliangfrorer1039]

Yeah me too. The war cries were just another instrument in the orchestra, but it fit so damn well especially if you know the story of the piece. Made it really feel like a grand scale battle.

[@altmail1572]

That's Leif Segerstam, a Finnish conductor. :)

[@ThreadBomb]

@@altmail1572 Yep, I recognised him but got his first name wrong (thought it was Ole, confused with Ole Schmidt). His conducting is highly respected; the fact that he has written 337 symphonies (as of this date) gets less respect.

[@hussaingodhrawala9554]

Imagine being yelled at by Toscanini, you're gonna be scarred for the rest of your musical career.

[@garakbashir1736]

*life

[@jytte47]

to day th orchestra will just walk out !

[@molybdaenmornell123hopp5]

Or you just laugh and tell him you're ready to get back to work once he's stopped wasting everyone's time.

[@curcobane2442]

yeah, i would quit music instantly, i would crush my instruments into toscanini's head until there was nothing but a mass of flesh and crushed bones

[@curcobane2442]

oh yeah, and wood of my $150 dollar amazon's violin

[@spennyb89]

I've been in an orchestra where the conductor screamed and yelled at the musicians. It felt like witnessing abuse, and it was disturbing that an entire room was silent. I tried to say something and the conductor transferred his anger to me. I've always felt scarred and traumatized by it. After talking with others, he had a history of behaving like that, but everyone accepted it. Maybe someone can offer a different perspective, but I feel that conductors are allowed and even encouraged to be disrespectful and abusive.

[@spennyb89]

Most of the conductors here, I believe, behaved very reasonably, but the clip of the yelling brought up some stuff for me I guess.

[@cziffra-eg9st]

I would say that historical context matter a lot, considering that Toscanini himself was sued back in Italy for basically assualting an orchestral musician with his baton. The verdict was laughable at best, basically asserting that the Toscanini conducting the orchestra should not be considered as the normal Toscanini. However, I cannot emphasise enough that the music Toscanini makes is nothing short of miraculous, and he is one of the best conductors to ever exist (regarding technique and his understanding of music). He also gave premieres of many works (including the illustrious Adagio for Strings by Barber).

[@justaguy328]

The stress of not wanting to be yelled at will push you to get better. That's the reasoning behind it.

[@spennyb89]

@@justaguy328 Yeah, or it will be traumatic, hurt people, and push them out of music. That's a possibility too. Haha, I mean that's like textbook abusive relationship stuff. In any other context (professional or personal) it would be recognized as harmful and inappropriate. Don't valorize abuse man.

[@curio_sphere]

I feel like verbally assaulting people is not the best way of making them play better x) like some stress is alright, keeps you on ur toes to perform well, the conductur ofc should push the orchestra, but eeeh pedagogy and diplomacy is also a thing i imagine balancing the two is good

[@Raresvoicila3170]

“You have no ears!!!” Beethoven: What? I can’t hear you. (The joke isn’t even that funny why so many likes)

[@yp3424]

Cool! 🥇

[@chanelw9408]

SUCH an underrated comment .... XD

[@arthurfranklin9315]

“You have no eyes!!!” J.S. Bach: Who the hell?! I can’t see you.

[@Raresvoicila3170]

Chanel W thanks XD

[@Raresvoicila3170]

Y P thanks

[@cynthiabruce-marzenska5024]

I played cello for several years. In high school, I was adjusting my end-pin when I accidentally hit my conductors hand. As a result, the baton (which was pointed at his other hand) was impaled in the palm of his other hand. Several years later (maybe 20 years?), I met a young violinist from my prior high school. During discussion, the history was revealed, to which she excitedly exclaimed, “You’re the cellist who stabbed Mr. Pohran!” Apparently, I became part of his teaching folklore. Got to love conductors! :) Confirmed with my former teacher he is okay with sharing his name. :)

[@shakespearsplat]

Lmao

[@Amoslzf]

Wow that must be an amazing story to get into if you go back as an alumni

[@cynthiabruce-marzenska5024]

Amos Lee I’m very fortunate to still be in contact with my former teacher and - despite the occasional “jab” - he doesn’t hold a grudge (just a scar!).

[@capuchinosofia4771]

@@cynthiabruce-marzenska5024 lmao thats a great anecdote xD Glad to know he only holds a scar haha Thanks for sharing Cynthia!

[@kroh7742]

Sounds like you are worshipped like a dragon slayer or something

[@pepijnstreng4643]

"I’ve read about Toscanini’s conducting style and his manner of conducting a rehearsal. The people who describe this disgraceful behaviour are for some reason delighted by it. I simply can’t understand what they find delightful. I think it’s outrageous, not delightful. He screams and curses the musicians and makes scenes in the most shameless manner. The poor musicians have to put up with all this nonsense or be sacked. And they even begin to see ‘something in it’. (…) Toscanini sent me his recording of my Seventh Symphony and hearing it made me very angry. Everything is wrong. The spirit and the character and the tempi. It’s a sloppy, hack job. I wrote him a letter expressing my views. I don’t know if he ever got it; maybe he did and pretended not to - that would be completely in keeping with his vain and egoistic style. Why do I think that Toscanini didn’t let it be known that I wrote to him? Because much later I received a letter from America: I was elected to the Toscanini Society! They must have thought that I was a great fan of the maestro’s. I began receiving records on a regular basis: all new recordings by Toscanini. My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy. Naturally, I wouldn’t give something like that to a friend. But to an acquaintance-why not? It pleases them and it’s less trouble for me. That’s one of life’s most difficult problems- what to give for a birthday or anniversary to a person you don’t particularly like, don’t know very well, and don’t respect. Conductors are too often rude and conceited tyrants. And in my youth I often had to fight fierce battles with them, battles for my music and my dignity." - Shostakovich

[@blixten2928]

Wow. If that quote is legit, hats off to Shostakovich.

[@squidaker]

My stupid self didn't realize you were quoting someone and thought you were talking about yourself at first.😂

[@Pakkens_Backyard]

"My only comfort is that at least I always have a birthday present handy." I'm dying.

[@connectingthedots100]

Paganini was probably a person with narcissistic personality disorder.

[@orangepotato862]

connectingTheDots Do you mean Toscanini

[@mxstrikk]

Twoset: "Why is the conductor shouting?!" Meanwhile, Tchaikovsky: *includes literal cannons in his 1812 Overture*

[@jeffwhit]

One of my teachers is getting destroyed by Toscanini in that clip.

[@xXEpicMehXx]

how are they still alive

[@squamiferum]

@@xXEpicMehXx ling ling insurance

[@orionmckenzie3009]

@@squamiferum that is the best response I've ever heard

[@anildo1372]

they probably needed a lot of therapy to function again (I certainly would if that happened to me)

[@rocketqueen9887]

Ooooof

[@ceriseeee]

The pain in Brett and Eddy’s faces when the conductor was yelling has the same vibe when Asian mom is about to not feed you rice because you haven’t practice. Go. Practice.

[@miwir1248]

Cerise Jessamine Scary and hilarious at the same time

[@jub8891]

subtle racism detected. comment flagged for racialist innuendo.

[@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia]

I think it brought back some memories from when they played in orchestra...

[@user-sj7jy7hu5c]

@@jub8891 shes asian

[@michaelsundarev5818]

@@jub8891 Oh go find sum safe space lil unique snowflake....

[@nikanj]

6:10 "That guy" is Jose Carreras . He's just as high-profile as Bernstein. I think he's more frustrated that stressed out.

[@le0nz]

He looks short tho

[@easternlights3155]

You guys would die of laughter if my choir recorded collaborations with orchestras and conductors: we had one fall off a stage, get back up, his stand fell apart and his sheet music spilled all over the floor. He kept a stone face and told that we would continue in fifteen minutes. Another one walked into a church to start our Easter concert, all eyes on him... and he had forgotten to take his sunglasses off. It was the most gangsta Magnificat you've ever seen.

[@jozepedro27]

i literally laughed out loud

[@iankemp1131]

Well I've never heard or thought of gangsta Magnificat before ... kudos!

[@fryingpanalex]

Person: *coughs* Eddy: **dies laughing**

[@enzhongwang8542]

you copied my comment

[@fryingpanalex]

Enzhong Wang literally did not even know you existed until this very moment but ok

[@JyunJyunie.00]

As I was scrolling through all the comments trying to find your comment, rn she/he posted 14 (34 and 48) mins earlier than you so therefore she did not copy you :)

[@fryingpanalex]

SuperLibbieZz they’ve been saying it on other comments

[@jordan8050]

@@fryingpanalex This Enzhong person does that on a lot of TwoSet's vids lol. Just copies other people's comments, posts them sometime later, then replies to those original comments "you copied my comment." Probably just some attention seeker.

[@DellaStreet123]

Toscanini once got a taste of his own medicine when Maurice Ravel chewed him out *while* he was conducting Ravel's Bolero. "I am the composer! I am the composer!"

[@RedHair651]

Anneke Sieck I need to see this. Link?

[@DellaStreet123]

@@RedHair651 I don't think there's any recording of the commotion, not to mention footage. I don't know when that happened, but one recording of Toscanini conducting Ravel's Bolero I could find was from 1939. A studio recording.

[@carlosastro21]

On 4 May 1930, Toscanini performed the work with the New York Philharmonic at the Paris Opéra as part of that orchestra's European tour. Toscanini's tempo was significantly faster than Ravel preferred, and Ravel signaled his disapproval by refusing to respond to Toscanini's gesture during the audience ovation.[12] An exchange took place between the two men backstage after the concert. According to one account, Ravel said, "It's too fast", to which Toscanini responded, "You don't know anything about your own music. It's the only way to save the work".[13] According to another report, Ravel said, "That's not my tempo". Toscanini replied, "When I play it at your tempo, it is not effective", to which Ravel retorted, "Then do not play it".[14] Four months later, Ravel attempted to smooth over relations with Toscanini by sending him a note explaining that "I have always felt that if a composer does not take part in the performance of a work, he must avoid the ovations" and, ten days later, inviting Toscanini to conduct the premiere of his Piano Concerto for the Left Hand, an invitation which was declined. -Wikipedia.

[@shaccrheia4842]

@@carlosastro21 damn that's wild. imagine hearing "you don't know anything about your own music!"

[@Elmithian]

@@shaccrheia4842 Indeed. He could instead have said, "I know the tempo was faster than you preferred, but with this team and me, we felt that the higher tempo lead to overall better results when we conducted it. I know it is not exactly how you envisioned it, but do you think you can give this setup a chance?"

[@moon96light]

that conductor seems nice tho, like he really has confidence and wants them to succeed and he's trying to help figure that out edit: i mean Bernstein- not Toscanini

[@nyla7899]

lmao,I would seriously be worried for you if you meant Toscanini

[@moon96light]

@@nyla7899 😆 i just re-watched it oh my gosh definitely not Toscanini

[@simoli516]

toscanini is the better conductor 100%

[@moon96light]

@@simoli516 he might be, but my point was that as a person and instructor/teacher, Bernstein seems nice and actually wanting to help them improve (not just getting mad). i wasn't comparing their personalities and only added the edit to clarify who I was talking about.

[@simoli516]

@@moon96light Okay sure, but there is a couple of things you don't understand. with Toscanini and the NBC, the clients are paying those musicians $500,000 annual salary, they are getting paid extremely well. With that being said, those musicians signed up knowing who toscanini was and what he was known for. They were willing to put up with it. You also gotta understand those were the 1940s, where classical music was a much higher industry than it is today. There is also one major thing you don't understand as well. Bernstein was also known for raging at the muscians during rehearsal. Let me name a few of those documented moments: 1) During a rehearsal of "West Side Story" in 1957, Bernstein reportedly became so enraged with the performers that he hurled a chair across the room. 2) In 1970, Bernstein was conducting a rehearsal of Mahler's Symphony No. 5 with the London Symphony Orchestra when he became frustrated with a trumpet player who was not playing the correct notes. Bernstein reportedly threw his score across the stage and shouted at the musician. 3) During a rehearsal of Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 with the New York Philharmonic in 1984, Bernstein reportedly became angry with the chorus for not singing loudly enough. He stopped the rehearsal and berated the chorus members, telling them they were not putting enough emotion into their singing. There are also dozens of other conductors who are known for their rages during rehearsals. So you have to understand that in the 20th century, the industry was like that, whether you like it or not, you have to accept it.

[@ThurnisHaley_]

If the video got demonetized it's because of Toscanini, I'm Italian and I can tell you he said what we call a "bestemmia" which mean swearing against god. Here in Italy if a youtube video has a "bestemmia" in it, it will be demonetized 100%.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

Thank you for teaching me my new favourite word.

[@blixten2928]

Against God! Yes, that's what he was doing to those musicians... Christ wept.

[@XenophonSoulis]

That's the Mediterranean way of swearing. Not simple innocent words like in the North and in America. In Greece our swearing is just like that. Amongst the common swears in "F*ck your Chr*st" which means "F*ck you".

[@paolobamundo8598]

I'm italian too and I can say you didn't listen properly: Toscanini doesn't say "porco" (pig) but "corpo" (body). So he basically said "the body of the holiest God", which is not considered blasphemy.

[@ThurnisHaley_]

@@paolobamundo8598 Corpo Dio? XD

[@beyondtheirlevel3726]

Me, moving out of my parents house:"Finally no more abuse!" My conductor:"Hello there"

[@authenticbaguette6673]

Beyond their level ouch ... that hurt !

[@SpongeBob-pg2md]

General Kenobi!

[@paris5410]

That was funny... in a really depressing and emotionally destroying way.

[@namnaam6]

General Konducti

[@AvaNightingale]

Oof *Solidarity*

[@TheQuestionmarkstudi]

“This piece was about pirates, so I decided to yell like one..”

[@eyvindjr]

The story he told the orchestra was that it was about the Monguls attacking

[@sitiaqmarinazahrah3023]

Brett's expression made me lose my shit lmaoo i was like that the whole moment too xD "why are they screaming??what happen?where is this?"

[@mr.winnfield9674]

J.S. Bach Scheherazade from Rimsky Korsakov

[@ShiroKage009]

It works. I love it actually.

[@Asdayasman]

Honestly I liked it.

[@BruceBoschek]

My father played first-chair clarinet in the Sousa band, the Navy band and a number of symphony orchestras. He became a well-known and highly respected woodwind teacher. Fritz Reiner, the conductor of the Chicago Symphony in the 1950s brought my father to tears, criticizing him so rudely and attacking him personally so that my father was ready to quit the orchestra. This kind of behavior is not the sign of genius, it is the sign of a weak and undisciplined man, unable to keep his grievances to himself or contain his temper. I once stood up in the middle of a dress rehearsal and left the orchestra after the conductor attacked me in a personal and offensive manner. He called me that evening and apologized so that I played in the concert. His attack was uncalled for and erroneous, but that is beside the point. There is a minimum of human respect that must never be lost, regardless of degree of fame or fortune.

[@thenewtitanic]

Yes, waving hands and telling others how to play is pretty easy.

[@cubycube9924]

Agreed

[@Balfour.]

Bernstein spoke about Fritz Reiner being one of his greatest mentors and also how much of a inssuffrable dipshit he could be. At some point he recalled a story where a student hatched a plan to literally kill him. Just an instance of the emotional misery Reiner often put musicians and students through.

[@victorluz7]

I love the "hyaaaa" add in the Sheherazad part ! That's a good idea, to make orchestra alive and inventive ! They should "try" things more often, like in classical theatre pieces played on stage.

[@JoeyGirardin]

To be fair, getting a perfect note on a french horn even just half the time requires a good deal of wizadry

[@deeprollingriver5820]

I played French Horn for 10 years. I learned perfect pitch from playing that instrument because you use your hand in the bell to adjust the pitch

[@peterharrison5833]

Y e ah, that's pretty accurate. The basic issue is that the horn is 16 feet long but it has a mouthpiece that is closer in size to a trumpet's than a trombone's. Consider that a trombone mouthpiece is 2 to 3 times the inner volume of the horn's and that it is only 9 feet in length so it plays in a lower tessitura. Because of the alto voice role the horn has in the brass section, it's longer length of tubing, and it's much smaller mouthpiece, it is usually playing in a tessitura where it is possible to play several different pitches with the same fingering. Accuracy at times is extremely difficult. Having a double helps, but it's not a guarantee. Add to this the fact that it's canonical brass instrument and not a cylindrical one like the trumpet or the trombone, so it has a more "distant" or "spreading" sound which doesn't project as well. In order to balance with the trumpets and trombones the horn often have to play louder. This set of facts adds up to a perfect storm for making mistakes.

[@enricomarconi8358]

Another one with the French Horn...

[@mndlessdrwer]

@@peterharrison5833 Not to mention that you have all the additional resistance of the bent tubing and a mouthpiece that makes it challenging at best to push air through it in the first place, then you have to stuff your hand in the bell, which just makes things even more complicated. It's an instrument that, had so much historically significant music not been written for it, would have been abandoned ages ago for something easier to play consistently. My sister got dragged into playing it briefly in concert band because they had more flutes and an absence of french horn, and she was the most adaptable. I tried playing it briefly because I was practicing trumpet at the time, and figuring out how to get a clear sound out of it was just beyond me.

[@peterharrison5833]

@@mndlessdrwer Yeah, we had some guys and gals in the service bands who tried switching to French Horn as a main instrument, but the results were a mixed bag. You're right about the amount of great music written for it, and it IS a a beautiful sounding instrument also. But it is also not the easiest to play.

[@nicholasscott9672]

you left off the best part of toscaninni's rant "YOU HAVE EARS IN YOUR FEET"

[@bullshitman155]

I don't know the context, but I have been told to "think with my head, not my knee" once.

[@Yuyu99000]

Toscanini was maaaaad af.he even used the word “rompicoglioni”, I didn’t see it coming (it’s a very crude expression so...yeah) 😱😱 and “corpo di un dio santissimo”...Woah

[@lefinlay]

Is the romp word “fucker”? And body of a???

[@elisasanguinetti5639]

​@@lefinlay "Rompicoglioni" means pain in the ass (translated in the video as "ball breakers"), while the literal translation of "corpo d'un Dio Santissimo" is "for the body of the Holiest God"

[@dylanschang6386]

In defense of Carreras (the tenor singing West Side Story) he was hired last minute and had to learn the show in less than a week. He doesn’t speak English natively and that style of music was completely foreign to him (rhythm and inflection wise). He’s an incredible opera singer in his own right and he was at this age too

[@thenewtitanic]

For no money I would accept to sing that rubbish score.

[@mistermxyzptlk371]

6:53 I'm italian and I can confirm that the real words are much more extreme than those.

[@cicadaze]

:0 blease fill my non-italian self in, in a way my non-educated self can process i'm so curious-

[@mistermxyzptlk371]

@@cicadaze he basically insults God really hard

[@SomeoneCommenting]

Please translate with precision, we want to know!

[@BubbyNikko]

@@SomeoneCommenting Translation is not bad in the video. However, there are certain nuances that cannot really be communicated in a different language. For example, I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker saying "ball breakers" (??? is it actually a thing?), but the Italian "rompicoglioni" is a reeeeally strong insult, you wouldn't want to use it light-heartedly. Plus, every single mention of God in expressions like this, even without an explicit insult (you will agree with me that "body" is not offensive in any way) is generally considered... maybe not offensive, but really close to that. One must remember that Italy is also residence of the Pope, so Christians here can get pretty sensitive.

[@gretab7242]

@@mistermxyzptlk371 penso abbia detto "corpo di un Dio santissimo", anche se all'inizio anch'io avevo capito "porco"

[@TakTylkoJa]

That tenor singing West Side Story was Jose Carreras. So he was pro. And still, seeing him screwing up in front of Bernstein makes me feel sorry for him, and better for myself:)

[@lawrence18uk]

Yes - and poor José, singing Tony, was having to sound like the American voice, to Maria's Hispanic voice (her character is from the immigrant family.) I think this compounds the problem.

[@ScoreAnimation]

They give him really little time for preparing the role and I think that's why he's looking the score so much.

[@JS-cb1fm]

In addition - “Something’s Coming” is tough to sing when English is your first language, even tougher when it’s not!

[@Becca-96]

At least Bernstein's a really patient conductor, even when he's clearly frustrated

[@phillipaburgess293]

@@Becca-96 He wasn't later on; this clip goes on for much longer.

[@shannonking6402]

My old choir director used to talk to us about his method when conducting us (note he conducted several choirs consisting of ages ~5 - adult, as well as some professional orchestras, he knew his shit): He told us that he’s seen three different kinds of directors in his life. 1. ones who constantly criticize without bringing attention to the good things, 2. Ones who only talk about the good without any criticism or push to improve, 3. A combination of the two, which is just honest criticism and praise when earned at an appropriate level of expectation. He aimed to be the third kind. We were a volunteer high school church choir, he knew we were capable of more than maybe what was expected of us and he brought always it out of us through that style. He pushed us to the limit (even though we werent always jazzed about it lol) but he always knew we were good enough to do it and let us know that. He’s still my favorite choir director I’ve ever had

[@HansHammertime]

Incidentally, those three types of conductors happen to align with the psychologically proven three types of parenting Those being: authoritarian, permissive, and authoritative (and neglectful, technically) In parenting it is also that middle road, authoritative, which appears to be most effective

[@charlesroydubuc4870]

Honestly, I would never respond to Bernstein like the player did 😮

[@enricomarconi8358]

the final result was more musical I must say...

[@beans4411]

Do you know what piece they were playing

[@nettiespiwack7586]

@@beans4411 Something's Coming from West Side Story...Bernstein's composition. Very syncopated.

[@beans4411]

@@nettiespiwack7586 the one with the trumpets not the singing

[@cziffra-eg9st]

@@beans4411 i think it was the enigma variation

[@josequins9099]

When I was in a youth orchestra we had a guest conductor come in for a day who was relatively famous in our country. He was an absolute diva and screamed at us within the first 30 seconds for some reason. Us, being kids, just laughed at this grown man throwing a tantrum. He obviously had never had an entire orchestra laugh at him before. He was more composed with his critiques after that.

[@Hyperventilacion]

Something similar happened at my city's philharmonic, they hired a famous conductor and she was a diva, musicians were really outspoken about her and she ended up moving to Australia, she left for a "better contract" but in fact they kinda drove her out. She never conducted an orchestra in my country permanently before and she felt like she was some kind of messiah but was only memorable for an awful Mahler 2nd and Scheherazade, back then she was married with an ex-president's son and most musicians that worked with her agreed that her success was mostly because of politics and connections.

[@thediyorchestra]

Woah, I think I know who you are talking about based on that description xD

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

Yeah, I can imagine it being something of a wakeup call, being laughed at for behaving childishly by actual children. I wonder if he took that to heart in the future?

[@ThreadBomb]

@@thediyorchestra Alondra de la Parra

[@josequins9099]

@@special203 I didn't give the name because I don't remember it. I didn't care enough to remember it.

[@firsttpt]

Conductor: Trumpets, I want you to sing! Trumpets: He said play louder. Conductor: Trumpets less attack on the entrances Trumpets: He said play louder.

[@shizukana827]

Conductor: What could you do to make us sound better? Everyone: Practice Someone else: Practice more Trumpets: *shouting* Play louder!

[@rocketqueen9887]

Lmaooo

[@abbyll8205]

Can anyone please translate what exactly they're saying in the trumpets part? The audio is garbled at my end and I can't understand what they're saying. Thank you.

[@IndieTheArchivist]

Why is everyone so anti trumpet, we aren't even like that

[@stephenlu8397]

SCP - 1545 fellow trumpet player here - we definitely are

[@eyo8766]

"YOU HAVE NO EYES, NO EARS" Hellen Keller: What?

[@ColdShadeShi]

6:52 - The italian translation is inaccurate; He says much more sacrilegious things.

[@XenophonSoulis]

Nice. I don't think non-Mediterranean languages have that kind of expressions.

[@ColdShadeShi]

@@XenophonSoulis Aye, bro'... but I think it is mostly an italian thing.

[@enricomarconi8358]

I agree.

[@ColdShadeShi]

@@teacoffee42 Ja, bro'... You're right.

[@madzredfox_36]

Hi, I'd like to brag that my piano teacher and I bonded over TwoSetViolin During my piano class, my teacher was talking about how violinists can play Flight of the Bumblebee pretty quickly and even set world records. Hearing this, I said that playing a song on the violin as fast as possible is no longer a category in the Guinness World Records because of the cheating involved, especially with Flight of the Bumblebee. Then, my teacher said, "I've heard about that. Do you know TwoSetViolin?" AND I YELLED

[@paris5410]

IF YOU CAN PLAY IT SLOWLY, YOU CAN PLAY IT QUICKLY!

[@tndpilyta7673]

The sacrilegious

[@eleven11three]

and I yelled YAAAAASSSSS

[@maplemation1564]

r/thathappened

[@parkie8167]

@@maplemation1564 r/stfu you're not on reddit

[@lucyvanwijk8754]

You should review this Dutch show called Maestro: people with no experience in classical music try to conduct an orchestra

[@mikanchan322]

YES PLEASE! That's such a good suggestion!

[@JTF2402]

yess!! Please!!

[@carlindevankakum7897]

Omg yes. It will be such a pain to actually watch for them

[@lindasmolenaars9118]

Please do this!!!

[@mirandaestrada628]

!!!!! Yes

[@heresjonny666]

That reaction the french horn got...I got that once. As a teenager I was playing the trumpet solo to I think John Williams' Summon the Heroes in my school orchestra, the concert itself was a gathering of all the schools in the borough. This solo was a touch beyond my ability to play consistently, but I had convinced the other trumpeter to let me do it because I know I could manage it! I had practiced and practiced and practiced it. I managed to pull it off in the dress rehearsal earlier in the day and it sounded great. Then it came to the actual performance. There is a jump in the beginning and I just completely flubbed it. This made me lose all my composure and I ended up weakly tooting half the notes, half of which were in the wrong key. I dare not look at the conductor as I did so, my ears burning. Eventually, after what felt like twice the entire piece's length the torture ended, I looked up at the conductor who was a disagreeable chap at the best of times, and the sheer disdain in his face as he rolled his eyes said it all. I really did wish a hole had swallowed me at that point! All this in front of a good 500ish people who had come along to see this community event. I think we even had the mayor there, and possible our MP. I never lived that one down with my peers in the music department though they did say 'well at least it went hilariously wrong and it gave us a good laugh while it happened!'

[@GraciousHost]

I’m sorry to hear that, I hope your musical journey continues to better performances.

[@heresjonny666]

@@GraciousHost Oh it's ok, I don't even play the trumpet anymore and I've never had a mess up quite that bad since. I just look back on it and laugh. :)

[@MrJdsenior]

That one director yelling in the Scheherazade, I thought "what the hell is that guy doing?". After you explained it, it not only made sense, I thought it was a pretty cool addition, actually. REALLY gets the point across. Pretty unique, gutsy, and spectacular. Not for everyone, I'm sure, but I say GO for it! I wonder what Rimsky-Korsakov would have thought of it? Serious question, BTW.

[@bunnysenpaimon6742]

The yelling conductor at the end, w the beard...that was actually a strangely really nice addition. It fit the vibe so well and actually helped paint a scene in my head really well.

[@fatherlouiswilliamsugaadams]

eri139 same

[@altmail1572]

That's Leif Segerstam, a Finnish conductor. :)

[@mirandawang5952]

eri139 apparently he holds the world record for composing the most symphonies so far, 200+ I remember

[@bigpigpik]

Alt Mail Aw....Papa Santa Claus!! 🎅

[@ThreadBomb]

@@mirandawang5952 Actually 337 symphonies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam

[@kakeru7361]

When that one conductor started yelling no eyes no ears. I legit got scared

[@oldfogeymusic4248]

Toscanini was built up as the Greatest! Conductor! Ever! by the U.S. press in the mid-20th century, mainly as a contrast to all the German and Austrian conductors who were seen at the time as being in league with Hitler's Reich. American media needed a foil to classical music as German cultural heritage, and what better than to find a living-in-America Italian _maestro_ who had left his native land due to Mussolini? Listening to his recordings today, you'll hear that his main interpretive tendency was to take everything ultra-fast, but without much subtlety or emotion. I doubt many listening today would rank him with someone like Fürtwangler or Karajan.

[@kennethdower7425]

@@oldfogeymusic4248 Exactly correct! It was pure propaganda. I think one of the actual lines was, "Toscanini is the Best, and he's Ours!" LOL! Such bullshit, but you'd be surprised how many people still to this day think he was one of the all-time greats. Just another lesson in how easy it really is to fool people.

[@yp3424]

As a young conductor in Italy he was brilliant. (1888-1909). Friend of Puccini, Catalani,Leoncavallo e.t.c. After his 1st visit in N. York he fiercely defamed Gustav Mahler, because of the Met Opera direction.(1910-11). When the N.B.C Orchestra was created especially for him,Toscanini became a real dictator of the rostrum. A blind perfectionist, a stiff,ex natura character, as he was growing older, he began to insult openly many musicians, his colleagues (like Dim. Mitrópoulos, of the N. Y. Philharmonic & Met) & other soloists. To a non-connoisseur he seemed like a man possessed.

[@sorim1967]

"That guy" is Leif Segerstam, one of the most respected conductors and composers in the world today.

[@kobuud]

As a french horn player, not splitting notes feels like an impossible task sometimes

[@shianglie-vickery4184]

When French horns don’t go at the time you want Conductor:Why did I bother

[@vincek8294]

But that was the smallest cue I've ever seen lol

[@shianglie-vickery4184]

Vince K so true

[@jnbplaysgames]

As a horn, I can relate. 😭

[@shianglie-vickery4184]

JBGamer87 lol!

[@shianglie-vickery4184]

Oshygoogoo lol! Do you want a different tempo and less annoyance from the conductor with that?

[@evid2089]

Expectations: Don't react at all, I am made of stone. Conductor: "You have no ears, no eyes, nothing at all." Me: Crying in the corner.

[@mikanchan322]

expectation: try not to laugh reality: try not to cry

[@stonefish7745]

Pianists:😏

[@tiihtu2507]

"Thank god you're a conductor and not a biologist" What would happen after that? Genuinely interested, because I don't think I would be able to restrain myself in that situation. 😂

[@jaymontealegre143]

9:34 now I know why George RR Martin still hasn't finish Winds of Winter. He's conducting orchestras.

[@kwokvinnchan]

no, that guy is leif segerstram

[@livel3ak]

i remember in 8th grade i had a classmate who was in the same orchestra as me but we went to orchestra on different days, apparently her class was doing so terribly that our teacher ended up yelling at the entire class. later that year, my classmate wrote a note to the counselor about the teacher and said how the teacher was rude and abusive. my orchestra conductor was always extremely kind and she only ever wanted the best for us but i understand why she was yelling at their class because they really were bad.

[@joschistep3442]

Still no reason to yell at children.

[@Pierre777-]

Teachers only get away with it when the band is successful

[@jialongsun4158]

It’s Lung Lung, the guy that is always coughing in a concert, again!

[@McMerlin11]

CommanderDave Such an underrated comment

[@PikkaBite]

omfg this is pure gold

[@exotichxnna5193]

He’s coughing his left lung out again

[@spaghetti7180]

Help I’m wheezing

[@oleandrosperti8744]

Twoset: welcome to another episode of TwoSetViolin Me: My morning is better

[@enzhongwang8542]

you copied my comment

[@na-kun2136]

Some intresting in Russia already 3:40 pm

[@absurdious]

e ricorda che i contrabbassi non hanno occhi e orecchie

[@Heihachi-ah]

Yes

[@thebluegaming7706]

Same

[@hetedeleambacht6608]

the last director shouting worked for me!! it really fitted the atmosphere in the music!!

[@me0101001000]

I have to admit, if Toscanini singled me out, I would probably sweat through my shirt. And I'm sure everyone here would, too. That said, I don't know of a conductor who cared as deeply for the benefits of musicians as he did. He made damn sure that musicians were well paid, shown proper respect, and provided their needs. He's done a lot for musicians.

[@me0101001000]

@@yasa.9963 I don't know if I would consider this abuse. It feels a lot more like strict parenting. He wouldn't yell at a musician if he thought that they were doing their best. He expected the best of you, but he would also expect the best for you.

[@GeckoBass]

@@me0101001000 well I think that the basses, having the big bodies their sound comes out much slower which means they will always be slightly late unless you go off them. A French horn in the Berlin Phil said that the orchestra went off the basses, “if you don’t know where you are listen to the basses”(or something like that is what she said)

[@alhfgsp]

​@@me0101001000 I feel like people are often kinda soft. My mom used to throw our toys at us and scream intensely for misbehaving when my siblings and I were little. I'm not saying literal physical abuse is good but the strictness from good conductors is not abuse.

[@icejuliet3146]

​@9th Circle of Hell my guy you were abused, physical or not. What you just described is emotional abuse.

[@alhfgsp]

@@icejuliet3146 I understand where you're coming from, but I don't even care that she did all that, honestly. I just care about my music career. I just wish my parents had pushed me into music training sooner. But they didn't know it would become my absolute passion.

[@tubthungusbychumbungus]

That conductor that gave up on life when the horns split a note infuriated me. The horns recovered fine but he was being dramatic in front of an audience and cameras. Why is that not considered unprofessional?

[@miwir1248]

DoNOTannoyKarina actually I can understand that reaction during rehearsal but during performance he should have kept a stiff upper lip.....the audience wouldn’t have seen it but surely he knew he was being filmed

[@mikanchan322]

yeah, agreed. If I was in the audience probably wouldn't have noticed it or I would've forgotten about it in a second, but the conductors reaction just makes the mistake glaringly obvious.

[@SillyMakesVids]

He's too old to give a damn.

[@miwir1248]

SillyMakesVids or maybe it was take 130

[@Apfelstrudl]

It's just Karl Böhm being the asshole he always was known for 😉. He knows that entrance is very delicate, especially on Viennese horns as he is conducting Vienna Phil in Japan there.

[@Civ33]

I love how some of the musicians in the last one were like "I'M A PIRATE" and others were like "kill me now". If we were allowed to yell like pirates during Scheherazade my stand partner and I would totally have done it XD.

[@pengdubit]

I wish as a woodwind that aint happening...

[@0hn0haha]

I'm Russian, so I think I might have a bit of an in on Rimsky-Korsakovs opinions... And I bet he'd think this was a marvelous idea

[@gulsheld5597]

Btw the conductor that screamed at the double bass was Italian lol, the part where there was written "for the love of god" he actually said bad thing to God himself, I wanted to share this thing with y'all

[@pahvi3]

Oof, this reminds me of my former choir conductor who was always getting visibly irritated when things didn't go their way, but was utterly unable to articulate what it was they wanted or how we were supposed to achieve that.

[@mariamitrea4423]

People who had no reaction during this video: Toscanini: "You have no ears, no eyes, nothing at all"

[@toboldhornblower8805]

The horn's split at the start was very minor relative to most and it was recovered perfectly. It is specially difficult to avoid split notes on French horn because their harmonic series is so narrowly spaced, plus they had to play an exposed, soft entry. The sound and musicality as well as approach was all there.

[@Apfelstrudl]

And it's played on Viennese horns because it's Vienna Phil and Karl Böhm.. He was always well knowon for being an asshole so no surprises here 😉

[@tryfail_failbetter]

Grand-Moff Toby I was looking for that comment! well said. thank you. // Edit: And french horns splitting a note is not the same as shaky bow.

[@maggieeidel1237]

I agree I feel like a French horn’s mission is to make the player slowly die in the inside while they get more confused as to WHERE ALL ARE THESE NOTES COMING FROM *WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS WRONG*

[@mleppp1546]

maggiereads I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING HOLDING MORE TRUTH THAN THIS!

[@nathaliej3768]

Grand-Moff Toby playing horn is really just playing a note and hoping the right one comes out. For me it’s a lot of hearing what it’s supposed to be in my head and somehow the air waves line up. Or not in the splitting case haha

[@nateboutcher]

*There’s even conductor prodigies now*

[@giveitawaynow4649]

If I was an orchestra (I used to) and the conductor said I am leaving this is your new conductor he’s only 7 I would just quit and never go back

[@bloemundude]

Rimsky-Korsakov: At this point in the piece, Santa Claus starts screaming at nobody in particular in the orchestra.

[@zeb236]

Lmao only a few ppl will get this

[@kennethdower7425]

Segerstam wasn't the only one screaming, many in the orchestra were as well during that performance. 🧐

[@yp3424]

It'S the most bizarre finale of " Sheherazade" with the Galicia Symphony orchestra under the baton of Leif Seg.

[@nancyenjay7966]

Santa. I'm dying

[@Baiko]

@@kennethdower7425 Oh it was Leif Segerstam, I thought he looked familiar

[@camillabellucci6516]

7:24 God he is speaking Italian and, trust me, it is 100 times worst when you know the language

[@esteeeela]

Yeah.. coglioni hit me hard

[@flowerdolphin5648]

True. Italians generally are the biggest sweethearts but when they get seriously pissed off, they don't joke around.

[@giorgia8714]

i’m italian too, that was pretty scary.

[@Edith19]

Does he say « porco d’un dio » o « corpo d’un dio »? Non l’ho capito...

[@camillabellucci6516]

@@Edith19 Porco ahahaha, molto fine

[@asherahgames7289]

The first clip gave me flashbacks to when my middle school conductor apparently had picked up a slightly cracked baton, and so in the middle of a run through the baton snapped in midair and flew into the back row. Best day of my life.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

7:51 No one should be able to mistreat people like that. No matter how big they are.

[@Pierre777-]

Thats the industry

[@amylam7862]

The double basses one… it really scares me… And I'm not even an orchestral musician…😱

[@jub8891]

i was aspiring to be one until i heard that...

[@azula2399]

Just get an electric bass 😂

[@lingling8047]

I play double bass 😁😁😁 anyone else

[@azula2399]

Omg ling ling is that really u

[@azula2399]

Kewl

[@miwir1248]

Petition for Twoset to share stories of their orchestra days....might be INTERESTING Edit: not to be That Person but you kind of did promise a follow-up to this “storytime” of yours: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaq2YYKDh8-Dhdk Update: Thanks For the Embarrassing Moments in Orchestra skit video!

[@yela.9722]

YES PLEASE!

[@Jssherlocked]

Yes we need Twoset spill the tea talk show episode 3!!!!!

[@chintalabis1740]

Yes yes yes ❤

[@unsteadyowo]

I second this

[@rubyzlan]

MAIN STORY: sightreading...

[@chadwmkim]

I just wanna say, that recording of Scheherazade at 9:34 has been my absolute favorite orchestral recording for a year strong. It's wonderful.

[@rachaelw8809]

It's one of mine favourites too, as well as others by the same orchestra. I watch/listen it at least monthly.

[@sashafirehead426]

5:15 my priv teacher once asked me to play heavy but soft

[@sachmy8339]

Ah yes and wood is made from plastic

[@aeroscience9834]

That’s not contradictory

[@izzy1221]

The worst/best moment is when you can visibly see your conductor die inside.

[@silverbooks]

Oh gosh this brings back a lot of buried feelings and memories. I wasn’t part of an orchestra but our university choir. We had a performance that required us to do movement (a kind of strong, ethnic dancing) to accompany a piece and unfortunately me and my other alto friend have two left feet and are very soft and awkward. Our conductor kept singling the two of us out during rehearsal and at one point asked everyone to leave the room except for my friend and I. To help us let go of our stiffness, he said he had to get our laziness and awkward movements out by pretending to punch us in the face and yelling at us. He would violently pretend to punch us with his fist inches from our face and he said that we shouldn’t flinch. He kept reassuring it was nothing personal and the practice was just to get us out of our heads. It was brutal! I was glad we weren’t humiliated in front of the choir but going through that really messed me up. My friend and I burst into tears after the exercise and the rest of the group were so confused with what happened. For the next few weeks, I got really anxious and stressed and got sick. A month after our performance, I quit the choir and have never sung in a group ever since. This is actually the first time I ever openly wrote about this and feel so nice to unload everything.

[@chiu8159]

Wow. I've been in choir too(but only through middle and high school) and have had to do some dancing before aswell, but that's really messed up. I dont see how that excersise would help anyone improve at all, just traumatizing. I'm sorry that happened to you and that you quit because of it. Obviously your voice wasn't the problem, so it's pretty sad.

[@linguisticsnerd433]

Dude I hope you and your friend recovered from that. That sounds awful

[@rukakoaye5368]

wot

[@nenissaK]

That's fucked up. Didn't help, I suppose :/ what an idiot

[@warwickthekingmaker7281]

what do you mean you have two left feet? Like actually two left feet as in a physical condition?

[@OLDSACKS]

9:45 Shoutout to the second violin who started yelling with the conductor, real MVP

[@ui3138]

As a horn Player i feel for the poor fella at 2:00. That g Sharp is just tricky :D

[@GeodesicBruh]

You guys not being italian are really losing on toscanini’s roasts.

[@pp312]

Really? I thought they were Italian. :)

[@pennyproud2474]

@@pp312 I-

[@andreascarpanti2268]

@@pp312 hai ragione, si sono presi un pezzo d'arte

[@matteilceodeimatte]

PORCO DI UN DIO

[@matteilceodeimatte]

Lol

[@ftumschk]

9:32 The "screaming pirate" conductor is Leif Segerstam, who's also a composer. Perhaps he was doing some personal improvisation as an hommage to Rimsky's music.

[@tribonian3875]

And that is OK, Segerstam is (on a good day) a fantastic conductor. His heart is in the music. His version of Sheherazade ist very good.

[@SAMURAAAAI]

The yelling were awesome! But I'm no musician... :(

[@tenoreDB]

We worked with Segerstam: he is uuuuuuh.... special. On a good day he is a genius. On a normal day confusing and on a bad.... just crazy.

[@tribonian3875]

@@tenoreDB Yes, I believe you. That is my opinion and that is what I heard from other musicians. Have a nice day. :-)

[@ShiroKage009]

The yelling adds so much to the piece, in my opinion. It works so well.

[@cirrusB612]

I was eating dinner while watching this and made the very bad decision of taking a bite right as that last conductor started yelling.

[@nessarose5820]

when i was in choir at an international event, our conductor was once so disappointed in us he walked off stage halfway throughout a piece. We just stood there in complete silence for what felt like forever, before we were told to exit the stage. One of the worst moments of my life ever LOL.. he spoke to us after that day was over and we all were ok after but that moment itself was terrifying thankfully I THINK this had happened during rehearsals and not the actual event

[@princelonestarr2330]

Imagine calling a bass a wooden cart.

[@ranonampangom2185]

Well...that would be a kind of base...for something...

[@emmamolinari131]

Tbh my marching band director also calls us “wooden cart” when we don’t do accelerando properly 😂 guess it’s an Italian thing

[@perjus]

Or a coffin.

[@zakatalmosen5984]

My bass teacher told me about one of his friends, a very good, very professional double bassist with a lot of experience. He took a private lesson with Miroslav Vitous, who now lives here in Italy (at least I think he's still here). He had him sit down, and told him to play an E. He did, Vitous told him to do it again. And again. And again. Then he took 10€ out of his wallet, stuffed them in his shirt's pocket and said "go buy yourself a sandwich and stop trying to be a musician". It still haunts me to this day, 10 years after, and it didn't even happen to me. It's not even a "cool asshole musician" story, it's just pure horror. I'd take Toscanini any day.

[@wazirzin4481]

My lecturer once gave me a piece with only crotchets & quavers, but in a hella fast tempo (200+ BPM). Whenever I butchered during the first-time sight read, he said “If you can't read crotchets & quavers, just stop being a musician”. Now, I'm able to play the piece. Not perfectly, but at least play right notes at the right time, I guess 😂😂😂 (Practice is the key, guys 🔥🔥🔥) In case if you're wondering, no. I'm not a Western classical musician. I'm a Malay traditional percussion student. I'd share the piece to you along with a link for the repertoire if you want. Just don't laugh because I can't sight read it. I'm just an intermediate-level player, for God's sake 🤣🤣🤣

[@capuchinosofia4771]

Thats a musician´s nightmare fuel. Now its haunts me as well! Saying that to anyone, about anything is bound to ruin that persons´ life, I dont know what that "teacher" was thinking

[@zakatalmosen5984]

@@capuchinosofia4771 i think after you get too famous and respected in the industry you just stop thinking about people as your peers

[@californium-2526]

Bloody...! I bet a person would've "decomposed" after that (i.e. that the person would be damaged emotionally, enough to stop playing any form of music)

[@Goetterdaemmerung86]

That reminds me, on a music forum I’m on, there was the topic on music criticism. Someone brought up a story from some sort of masterclass with a reputable and well known German Horn player. He apparently said the following: “If you are not able to play Siegfried’s Horn call by Wagner before age 13, throw your horn under a bus, stop wasting your teacher’s time, and go flip burgers.” 😬 I guess you’re right, I think people like that just become too full of themselves.

[@sarabenassi1981]

I have seen this video plenty of times, that french horn Moment Is so relatable. I lived that plenty of times, It basic french horn player ecperience and I can't not feel the embarassement ahahah

[@leogiri2863]

7:00 me, italian, understanding all of the swearing

[@Dunsiti]

Being singled out by the conductor is the worst feeling in earth

[@miwir1248]

After this there’s only one thing to say: TOSCANINI

[@jamesrawlins735]

There is worse - Buddy Rich, the great jazz drummer and band leader was famous for his melt downs when screaming at his band. Several were caught on tape and comedians famously passed them around

[@oldfogeymusic4248]

Wow…and my ex's mother once dated him…

[@kaoru1998]

@@jamesrawlins735 - Yes! I went to one of his performances years ago when I was in HS and he got mad at one of the horn players and stopped the ensemble right in the middle of the tune and chewed him out and then stomped off stage. That was interesting. Everyone was stunned. His tantrums are legendary! I guess since he had chop that us mere mortals can only dream of, he can get away with it, lol.

[@jamesrawlins735]

@@kaoru1998 I have a huge feeling that Buddy was the inspiration for J.K. Simmons character in Whiplash (except Rich was even nastier). The closest I ever got to having that type of conductor was Robert Shaw when he was conducting the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra and Choir (it was a festival) - brilliant guy but the very definition of a taskmaster

[@StarFryVeggies]

More like.. tosca-NANI?!

[@georgeyang5707]

No one: Some random dude in the audience: *cough cough* me in august 2020: EVERYONE OUT QUARANTINE FOR 14 DAYS DONT GO OUTSIDE WERE ALL GONNA DIE

[@LK-dz6pb]

Federico Fellini literally made an entire movie about just this subject - "Prova d'orchestra" 1978, an authoritative conductor abusing the orchestra, musicians revolting against him. And I really-really recommend everyone to check it, had quite an impact on me as a kid, and it still one of the most terrific, and hilarious, and tragic depiction of musician roles and dynamics in the classical orchestra; it's like 10 out of 10

[@pietrogattimannelli7072]

7:21 I'm italian and I can say that he didn't really said "holiest god" but,instead something a little worse

[@Angel-nh4iv]

Would u plz translate that for us non-italians here?

[@odio.viktor]

@@Angel-nh4iv something like fucking God

[@Angel-nh4iv]

@@odio.viktor Oh I see, thanks!

[@Edith19]

Confermi che abbia tirato giù un bestemmione?

[@pietrogattimannelli7072]

@@Edith19 assolutamente si😂

[@anni-kanervahietala810]

Haha the last guy actually conducted my orchestra once a few years back and i gotta say it was truely an INTRESTING experience😂

[@xseper]

Can You say more?

[@jikoos]

I imagine he's fun to work with, as a change of pace sorta experience lol

[@gabrielabberton9089]

I remember once when my music teacher/conductor for concert band when I was in middle school was using an expo marker was a baton one day in rehearsals (I specifically remember it being red for some reason). While conducting, his "baton" hit the music stand he had in front of him while it was moving upwards. The marker flew out of the his hand and went straight into the face of a clarinetist and everyone stopped playing and tried not to laugh. We failed. Miserably. At the end of my last year in middle school, we jokingly gifted him a book called Mr. Davis's Mistakes in which we went around asking people to remember all the times he messed something up and listed all of them inside. Needless to say the expo marker baton rocket made it in.

[@andrelousada]

Really funny examples! And I love the amount of context and nuance these guys take into account when giving these critiques. I can notice that besides good musicians they are really good people too!

[@christophermercaldi8616]

Me: Wow new twoset video, I can overcome existential dread now. 7yo conductor prodigy: *May I introduce myself*

[@jenniferchough]

Holy crap, the singer who is being conducted by Bernstein is none other than Jose Carreras, as in The Three Tenors fame. The level of musicianship in that room and to still see the struggle. Somehow it makes me feel a little better but also very awkward.

[@davigurgel2040]

He was suffering with a oral infection at the time, due to his leukemia. A comment above yours points it out in details

[@Pasunsoprano]

The Three Tenors fame? All three were famous long before the Three Tenors.

[@pmc8451]

@@Pasunsoprano But the vast majority of people will know him from the Three Tenors

[@haskellbob]

The odd thing was that Bernstein had Carreras doing the part of Tony, the Anglo guy, and you can really hear Carreras's accent; the whole part is in English. It would have made more sense to use Carreras for one of the Puerto Rican roles.

[@benedicta8237]

Even though i dont play instrument (and thus i never participate in orchestra) but these conductors really brings flashback of my years in choir. At least they're civilized enough during rehearsal rather than my prev. conductor straight up stomped on floor and yelled: "your voice is so ugly loud for a sweetener. If our performance failed you'll be the one whom I blame no matter what" Feels like my soul went off from my body

[@amybates1596]

as a bassist i cringed back so hard when he started yelling they have no ears. i just did not want to hear it because imagining that being said at me??? yea v scary