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[@Yanuaxu]

"Slow Burn" = Trying to cook a steak with a tea candle, Both are ultimately pointless

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

Dont just make it gay. Make it gay from the get go

[@drustanastrophel9538]

will they/won't they is like an abusive relationship between writers and fans

[@Veelofar]

I DO love the chart. It's a good chart. I'd buy a T-Shirt with that chart.

[@Howdy_Its_Ash]

"Slow burn romances", especially not straight ones, are like jingling keys in your audiences face and then pulling them away. I know theres a term for this but a slur. Everyone is gooing and gaing over adventure time when they did what every other modern cartoon does with lesbians, tease your for several years then shove a gay kiss into the last episode. You rarely seen a well established or married gay couple in popular cartoons. That's representation. No smirking and shrugging noncommittally every time someone asks you about it

[@taheahshahdaiah6422]

I had to wait ten years for naruto and hinata to get together. I know romance isn't apart of that genre, but still ten years of teasing.

[@killerOfMoons]

That’s a nice drawing of lily in the thumbnail.

[@omegazplayersolo8234]

Found your channel because of your SU rant, the rant was good but MAN, this video really helped me "develop" The main pairing for my own series I was literally going to make them a thing until the end but thanks to your video I can actually develop a much better pairing for both characters, Thanks

[@shannonsherk50]

I really love the fact that Lilly put all the steps in a family as all not stereotypical. They were interracial or LGBT+. It's just a nice touch since lots of the relationships in the movies or shows shown are straight, and same-race. Thanks

[@LilianOrchard]

Oh hey, I hadn't noticed that. Neat!

[@satansgayniece6246]

Totally agree, very refreshing to see

[@borbia1997]

Yes.

[@Rhea_is_gay]

Lily Orchard great work!

[@XSuicuneX]

This is a good point, I've been fighting with myself over how I write romance for a while, constantly worried about whether it feels forced or if there's actual chemistry. In reality I've been bored with the whole buildup and I need to move on from that and actually write the domestic and healthy relationship slice of life story I've been dying to all along.

[@tarabarden7535]

Taught me more than my English classes...... To hell with the education system, I've got your brilliant advice!!!

[@LuxVertas]

Watching this gave me bad flashbacks to the Sonic and Sally Relationship in the Archie Sonic the Hedehog Comics... Both Sonic and Sally were a somewhat stable relationship... then Karl Bollers came along and wanted to inject some crap love triangles and melodrama in a comic about a blue hedgehog and his crayola box colour group of friends fighting against an evil mastermind! Thank SEGA for Ian Flynn for doing his best to clean up the mess of two morons who have bad ideas!

[@MewKiichigo]

This is why, when I eventually become a cartoonist, one of the first ones I want to make features a same-sex couple that gets together in the first season; their relationship as boyfriends develops throughout the rest of the series. The audience gets to see a new relationship work through the kinks and the characters get to have their individual character arcs with a significant other (as well as friends) serving as some kind of support in those arcs. The relationship doesn't define them, it's just apart of their lives that needs development and it can't really develop if they're not in a relationship until the end. Not enough shows, especially children's shows, show an established relationship develop into a serious one; we see them get together and maybe we get a time skip right after that to where they're married with a family, but we never see the in-between. I want to show the in-between, how relationships aren't perfect, but the love interests love each other and so they compromise and make it work -- whether it's learning to admit when they're wrong, coming to happy medium, or agreeing to disagree, they work through it and their relationship is stronger for it. (They're married in the end, btw)

[@Gekyouryuu]

I mean, I WAS already planning to have my two lesbian characters hook up no later than the end of book 2. having them end up being lesbian Gomez and Morticia could be fun to try and write. here's hoping I don't heck the whole thing up.

[@ebonyblack4563]

I can't express the amount of pure happiness this little rant gave me. This is something I feel so much, and makes me hope more creators will listen to. There is so much more to love than deciding you're going to try. Trying a relationship is the most basic part, it means nothing to try for ages running in place. Do something with it. That's what this boils down to, in a surprisingly up beat grin inducing way that made my night, and has me interested in this book.

[@LittleTallMermaid2015]

Sees video=is satisfied as always Sees art in fanart reel Now I'm just so happy. Thanks Lily.

[@lmaowhat9607]

this slowburn trope annoyed me even when I was a fanfiction nerd, as it’s quite dissatisfying to end your story with the two characters getting together after like 1000 chapters of romantic and sexual tension. as much as I like slowburn done right, having another 1000 chapters of the couple together would make it so much better.

[@JoeTheCynic]

Time to do some editing... Thanks Lily! This is big help for writing some of my character dynamics.

[@Val-tr6ve]

Rumiko Takahashi is sooo guilty of this, and I hate it-I love her works but they would be so much better if she didn’t do this

[@lillie4940]

Wow, this actually helped a lot. I was wondering how I should make two characters who would be in a romantic relationship meet, and it was bothering me a lot. But this video gave me kind of a wake-up call to just make them start off together since i don’t have any good enough reasons to make this not be it. (Then again, the story starts with the protagonist meeting one of the characters again, so i can just say “it’s been 10 years, Vee, of course he got a boyfriend”.)

[@NonStopKnocks]

Here are the absolute top 2 cliches i despise in a romance and it's thanks to anime and manga. 1) Crying when confessing their love. At first i didn't mind this cliche but that was before i noticed it happened all the damn time and to characters where it felt totally out of character for them to cru at the time. Now it's not a case of showing a different side to that character but, my god, did it either ruin a confession scene for me or make me roll my eyes at stupid the writer thinks i am for pointlessly adding that cliche. It doesn't feel genuine and feels like the writers just saw a checklist of cliches and followed that rather keeping the characters in character. It's hard to explain but you can just tell when the writers are bullshitting you. 2) I hate when a character realizes they have romantic feelings for someone for some reason they believe they've had those feelings since they first met their love interest. A.k.a I loved you the whole time cliche. This one pisses me off because it's so unnecessary half the time and, like with crying during a confession cliche, feels like they saw a checklist of cliches and followed them all the way through. What the fuck is wrong with two characters knowing each other and not only falling for each other later but not incorporating this cliche?

[@owen-cu6gr]

I can't believe I used to fall for that stuff.

[@alinamcdonald3892]

I agree, I'm sick of slow-burn ships. They're just frustrating.

[@cyberturtle2589]

Even though my favorite couple Kim and Ron was a slow burn. I'm glad I got to see their relationship in season 4.

[@GymnasticsGirl6163]

Dear sweet Jesus, I hate slow burns!

[@aspiekuuun]

Holyfuck I agree SO MUCH! Thats why I hate watching svtfoe its sooo annoying with Star and Marocs on and off romance that I just roll my eyes when their current lover is on screen because I know its not gonna last. I cant bear to watch will they wont they romances because you /know/ they will yet the show writer thinks they can surprise you with it in the end. Romaces in tv shows are the wrost ughhh

[@michaellong6125]

I hate the slow burn troupe I want in one show a raging fire of passion

[@ep8246]

Oh I read - Totally not skipping a video XD CAme to see why lilly was takeing a break but ended up in the shipping rabithole. O.o

[@robotdog2054]

...*stuttering*...FUCKIN.... *throws hands up* YEES!!! PR-EACH! FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES! WILL THEY/WONT THEY PLOTS ARE SO FUCKIN AGGRIVATING! sorry for yelling....im very passionate about romance -3-

[@tomsky4751]

0:00-0:04 XD I’m sorry it’s just basically every patron in a nutshell

[@Persphone_cabin]

This problem of never getting people back together until the end of the story might also be why so many couples don’t have any chemistry. you’re making it 10 times harder to write good chemistry when they’re not allowed to be explicitly romantically affectionate because they’re not together.

[@satansgayniece6246]

Great video, anyone who wants to write a romantic plot/subplot should see this, but god damn it now I really want to read that witch story!

[@NonStopKnocks]

The will they/won't they thing only bugs me when apparently a shipping is supposed to be so piss obvious that only an idiot would deny it yet a series goes on and on with little to no progression romance wise in the two parties involved relationship. Eventually i start thinking if it's so obvious then why are they not a couple yet or why are we still at the tsundere/ just friends phase? Especially when those characters have other love interests. I either stop shipping them, groan when teasing happens with no progression or start shipping them with others. Because with all this teasing and nothing happening maybe they're better off with other characters.