This Is How Kyoraku’s Dark Secret Was Almost Exposed by Tokinada! | UNTOLD PAST

[@manuelacosta9463]

Tokinada's adamantly serious denial of being involved in the process of Nanao's mother's execution probably means he was being truthful. Then he shows what an absolute nightmare psychopath he is by ranting about how he wished he had knowing Nanao was listening. We can imagine what other secret weapons the nobles have access to to let loose in a crisis only for them to disappear immediately after.

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Shunsui thought central 46 had to protect themselves from the quincies if they didn't give him certain permission. I think the nobles would have actually had something stored up to defend themselves. Thoug the sternritters must've paid it no mind. Yhwach's quarrel was with the soul reapers of the Gotei 13.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Character like tokinada justify what aizen did

[@zionsfutureseeslight]

I always thought that nenoi sword was kept secret after tybw. The nobles shouldn’t know anything that happened in the royal palace. Unless the monk told them.

[@nodatastored684]

The curse on the Nobles is why Rukia was the first Shinigami we know of being married since Byakuya, unless one died we didnt know of, but even Tokinadas wife died

[@nonzamemange7612]

Tokinada killed kakyo when he was fighting a seated shinigami who tried into investigating if tokinada was abusing her and due to tokinada well being tokinada he killed them both at the same time while kakyo tried to make them stop

[@nodatastored684]

@@nonzamemange7612 yes she died. Same as the spouses of Byakuya, Kaen, Isshin and others. The curse exist

[@Grayson-Winchester]

Central 46 passes judgement on people for trivial or false reasons. You have to be in people’s favor

[@skyealexander4605]

While Kubo has made most of the novels canon, I think the episode where Reio cast Triplet World specifically contradicts and overrules the origin of the Original Sin from Can't Fear Your Own World. It's clear to me that, while everyone thinks there is some secret evil behind Ichibei's actions, Kubo never intended it that way and is correcting how people view it. It's just going slowly. It's really weird to me how ANYONE can sympathize with Yhwach and the Quincies now, he's basically upset his dad split the world. Not even that his dad is dead, just that he split the world. My guess is that Reio knew the Quincies would go down the path of darkness regardless (proven when Yhwach later refused Ichibei's deal to leave Hollows to the Shinigami and rule over the humans, a sweetheart deal since Quincies are freaking allergic to Hollows) so he split the world and gave up on them. The Original Sin, therefore, would have been Ichibei agreeing to it and then allowing the Noble Houses to use the pieces of Reio and the mythology and their Ancestral Zanpakuto to gain influence and prestige and power. I even have a hypothesis that Ichibei, Senjumaru, and Aizen were working together all along, and that Aizen's rebellion was designed to prepare the Gotei 13 for Yhwach's return. After all, had the Aizen incident not happened, the Quincies would have just straight up rolled Soul Society without hardly a fight. The only part of Soul Society I consider "evil", other than certain Nobles of course, is Central 46, and wouldn't you know it, they're the only members of Seireitei Aizen killed during his rebellion despite Momo being run through twice and Hiyori being CUT IN HALF; I make the claim AIZEN WAS NOT TRYING TO KILL THEM, he was training them, hence why he explained their mistakes while kicking their butts!

[@riicky83]

That's a question to ask. If Nanao didn't get the family's sword back and Kyoraku died, could Nanao retrieve the sword from his zanpakuto? And what if the sword was eventually returned to Neymida and it was reforged into a new Asuchi, would the Ise sword be lost forever?

[@nodatastored684]

I think it's like Ichibes Sword and not an actual Zanpakuto

[@nodatastored684]

First, the Sword only affects Male spouse or it did cause Ukitakes Death.... It was allowed for males to be lovers in Japan in Feudal times, they still had to wed

[@2000sancho]

They were friends,not lovers,kyoraku is definitely straight,he loves women,doesn't care much for men said it himself.

[@nodatastored684]

@2000sancho because he loved one. Also we have never seen him with a woman. Only his nieces. And that was the whole reason to have them sitting on a cliff watching the sunset. It's not homosexuality as a lifestyle,it who he loved most and shared his life with. And again, it was allowed for men to take lovers so as to not overpopulate the islands. It was a common practice and part of their history

[@nodatastored684]

@2000sancho I'm also under the impression, that Hisana is one of Ukitakes siblings which with them being lovers, explains why at Rukias wedding, the gift of his salaries for years, went to Rukia from them both. Hanging Dog is where they lived next to where Ukitakes was born

[@2000sancho]

@nodatastored684 I personally see kyoraku kinda like jiraiya,a very powerful dude,who is a womanizer on the side,we never saw them with anyone but common,tall,handsome powerful,famous,high status,wealthy,he definately gets ladies but he is not tha commied type,he is also possibly traumatized for what happened to his brother l,that's why he has remained single.

[@nodatastored684]

@2000sancho the Noble's were cursed so that their Spouses died. By the Soul King. He lost two Brothers Shunsui means Third son. One was Lisa Yadomarus father who was the Seventh Kenpachi, Zero Squad tried to recruit as their Lieutenant that's why Lisa had access to his room and vle todtrike him, they are related and the other is Nanaos Dad. Again. It's not a lifestyle it's a closeness of warriors. It was accepted but Unohana and Yamamoto reference his womanizing as if it's a waste of Time. Repeatedly

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Character like tokinada and ichibei justify what aizen did

[@ปลาทองอยู่ในน้ํา]

Should the curse came from the family treasures and specially from their unkown ritual? Like Shinken Hakkyoken when it didn't get in ritual for centuries, the curse faded away by time and we see Shunsui the only one man related to Ise clan(nanao's uncle) still alive up to at least the Hell Arc.

[@anasmostafa3730]

Hello @Simo Does Ichigo know about soul king's past story or get any info during his time with Ichibe Hyosube ?

[@BrianMartininc]

Simo we need to know if you think shunsui kyoraku hanged his zanpakuto or nahhh.

[@wolfentitiyz2fasho486]

What do you mean by “hanged his zanpakuto”

[@felipesantos-er4kk]

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[@spitfiremanlizerd]

The novels are fan fiction and as useful as anime filler. We will know what is actually canon in them depending on what Kubo adds in the Hell arc. Even the Anime filler is very dubious canonically.

[@felipesantos-er4kk]

Source: Trust me

[@zachhughes9149]

Tokinada will always be fan fiction to me, ridiculous fan fiction turned desperate cash grab.

[@felipesantos-er4kk]

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