This is how Lloydz 585 cams were installed on the 111 Chieftain | Thunder Beach 2019

[@walterramirez3287]

To anyone that has an Indian Chieftain 2018 or older, be aware that the 585s combine with the factory not strong enough valve springs can end up with engine failure. 2019 111s thunder stroke engines, come with a better/bigger cam chain tensioner and stronger high lift springs. I have a 2016 with 585s, VP60, Rinehart Slim headers, and a PVCX and when I drop my engine we found 2 of the valve seats destroyed and one of the springs ridding on the head. Now look like one of the valve seat pieces was the cause of my oil pump failure. So, to anyone that wants to install 585s with the factory springs (2014 to 2018) beware. I only had 5k on the 585s and my bike only has 9k miles. Will you get great power? hell yes, but there might be consequences.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Good info, Walter. Was going to include that in my review of the 585s. Lloydz recently updated their website info for the 585s to reflect that.

[@walterramirez3287]

@@BrandonBicasso yes but too late for me and others. I might be looking at a 5k or more repair for wanting 20 to 25 more horses. The other thing is that if you take the bike to the dealer for the spring swap, you will be looking at $1200 labor or more because is almost the same labor of installing a 116 kit. So if the 585 cams swap/New springs are done at the dealer, It will end up being around $1800 to 2k. The parts are only $285 for the new high lift springs, retainers, and valve seats. Dropping the engine is not a big deal, just time-consuming. Is around 9 to 12 hours of labor depending on tools and knowledge.

[@BrandonBicasso]

@@walterramirez3287 For some reason your comment hit my spam so my apologies. I hate that I'm late to the party on it, but at least the info is out there. With many pre 19 thunder stroke models out there, your info/experience (while it sucks that it happened to you) is still valuable to other peeps out there. ❤

[@walterramirez3287]

@@BrandonBicasso No problem Bro. just want to save Indian riders the headaches of big repair bills. We changed the springs on a 2016 the other day and there was very little damage to the valve seats, but it was starting to create a groove. A friend with a 2018 had the 585's for longer than me(around8K miles) and he found zero damage. I guess is the luck of the draw.

[@BrandonBicasso]

@@walterramirez3287 sounds like it's better to get it done in one swing if you're going 585s rather than take that risk. Noted info. 👌🏾

[@RebelRides]

Loved this video. It's great getting insight into how the tune might (or as it turns out doesn't) affect the engine modes. I think this is my favourite Brandon video and that takes some doing!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Glad you enjoyed it, Daz. ❤

[@MadMexism]

This was a great video Bicasso. The jams at that booth were on point!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Lol, Preciate it 🔥🔥🔥

[@seanmccaul3034]

Thought you might have a surprise for us when you went to visit PCB Indian! Great video, thanks for catching some of the cam installation. Nice to see the moving parts of the bike.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Not yet. Maybe when I get back from Cali near August 👀👀👀

[@TheBeardedBobber]

Amazon video as always brother! Very cool to see the extra stuff! Can’t wait to see your ride with this beautiful beast.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Very soon. Maybe today I'll ride it. 🔥🔥🔥

[@BrandonBicasso]

Okay, now I'm done with Thunder Beach/585 Cam/Dyno stuffs. Time to get my buns on it now. : ) Like the video and help ya boy out! We've been on fire these past few days!

[@RebelRides]

I've been trying to convince a customer to get the Rhinehart pipes. I like the look of those fishtails on that red and black Chieftain too 🖒

[@BrandonBicasso]

@@RebelRides Sounded great too. Had a slightly different note.

[@tomedwards159]

your vids on the scout bobber has made me trade my HD in for a 2019 bobber , Don't regret it at all.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Ayeee, glad I still got the skills to inspire. Enjoy ❤!

[@tomedwards159]

@@BrandonBicasso that seat has to go

[@servicarrider]

Keep bringing it, Brandon. I know Jarrett got to be one happy guy.

[@BrandonBicasso]

He is!

[@harryhowell5644]

Been to thunder beach three Times. Always good times

[@hillie47]

Awesome torque graph, never low really.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Smooth delivery as well.

[@MeatballRebel]

Those cams are very tempting.....

[@slim56]

Meatball Rebel do it you won’t be sorry

[@MeatballRebel]

@@slim56 The question is more likely when!

[@neildown9060]

Fantastic blog as always 😁 always sharing the love 😉

[@BrandonBicasso]

Thanks, Neil❤. Hope that SK is still treating you right.

[@neildown9060]

Yep lovin my s1000 when I can get out on it coz the weather is not being kind at the moment it's been constantly rainin now for a week and that's the English weather we hav to put up with 👍👍

[@OutbackOutlaw]

I can’t dyno tune nufin, I might see if I can ride her this weekend. Going to town for some shopping.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Ayeee, get out there in the Outback 🔥🔥

[@1keykneedeep]

Great video. Bike runs and siunds great.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Yep! Rode it yesterday and had a blast!

[@djthechamp]

The 2pac background music made this video even better 🤣🤣

[@BrandonBicasso]

Listen.. 😂😂 I was trying not to have it too obvious in the background audio so it wouldn't trigger the KZbin copyright. Coastal Indian had the vibes on point there all day! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@djthechamp]

Brandon Bicasso 🤣🤣🤣

[@CentralCoastTactical95]

djthechampable I thought the same 🔥

[@robr1901]

Love that dark horse Just purchased a 2017 Indian dark horse 😁😁cams are being installed

[@BrandonBicasso]

Nice!!!

[@robr1901]

@@BrandonBicasso I will post a video when the dealership makes the delivery sometime at the end of next week.

[@victorjohnson9672]

Great Video 👍🏿 About time for you to get one.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Whew.. I'm trying ❤

[@38eaglesman]

I've watched this video five times. This one makes six.

[@Bosshawg614]

Not sure if anyone ask in comments but what’s the point of drilling in the pipes?

[@BrandonBicasso]

For the oxygen sensors they use to get a better read on the air flow. I didn't record it, but they are completely capped and covered as if they weren't touched when the installation is done.

[@CentralCoastTactical95]

Your videos are🔥🔥🔥

[@BrandonBicasso]

Thanks, Hernan ❤❤❤

[@garysmith-go7cl]

Burt monroe rally next week,....u know him?

[@ut1004bp]

Ok, after the 585s installed, what mod have been done to this bike? does this make a stage 2 or 3 level(?) Is there a slightly less aggressive cam replacement avaliable? Don't race Jared today cause I think by the sound of your 109, you've lost some torque and hp with you exhaust mod

[@BrandonBicasso]

No mods after this and less aggressive is 558s. Stage2/3

[@BrandonBicasso]

Also, lol... my 109 isn't threatened. 🤣 It's been that way since 2014 and no bagger in my group has come close to it yet. They're adding power to try to compete with it, actually. It's like that when you owned one before and miss the way it puts down power.

[@roadwarrior9553]

Very Nice performance upgrade - question did you change out the Indian head dress on the front finder or modify the one that came with it? I noticed it's lit, I have the same bike but the stock head dress doesn't light. Thanks...

[@BrandonBicasso]

Took it off, ran a LED through it and wired it in harness for the headdress. There's a specific location in the harness for it.

[@johnnybuckner6955]

Thanks for the video.

[@bschak4944]

I hope cams for the 116 are in the works. I want that sound but I don't think I will get it from the stage 2 cams.

[@BrandonBicasso]

They’ve been out for years. Give Lloydz a call.

[@jimtomstimpson1477]

THat bike sounds amazing!!!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Agreed, Jim!

[@evil_musclemuscled3814]

Hey man , when there's a demo ride and an accident like that happens , I'm sure the bog bill goes too who caused the fault . Is there anything else that happens or is there paper work that's filled out first

[@BrandonBicasso]

It depends on the dealer. I've seen people total bikes on demo rides and get off free of having to pay. Reason being, dealers have insurance too in case it happens. So, if one were on the hook for payments, you'd fill out an accident report and they'd treat it like a regular car accident. Our insurance people call your insurance people.

[@zakkor50]

I'm planning to upgrade my bike to stage 2 (Indian cams) any advice? I didn't like the way they put holes on your 111 engine!

[@BrandonBicasso]

What holes are you referring to? The drilled holes? Those are ports for the oxygen sensors. After they are done, the drilled holes are capped off and covered by the head cover. You wouldn't know they were there without me showing you. 100% no visual issue.

[@zackadkins4234]

@Brandon Bicasso where do you recommend getting the valve springs?

[@BrandonBicasso]

OEM from Indian. The new parts are stronger. The part numbers are OEM Part Number: 7045087 and OEM Part Number: 3022580. That is direct from Lloydz.

[@switzmoto]

How much did everything cost you?? Cams + installation :)

[@BrandonBicasso]

$2500+/- including air filter/exhaust

[@switzmoto]

Brandon Bicasso I have filter and exhaust already. How much you think it would be for the cams + install + tune?

[@caseyjackson5173]

Have you had any problems with the clutch holding up to the power increase?

[@BrandonBicasso]

No. Wouldn't hurt to upgrade to stiffer springs the next go round, though.

[@broseyodonnel3178]

What pipes and tips were on the Indian?

[@BrandonBicasso]

Tab Performance BAM with Zombie Baffles. RineHart Tips

[@benitopellerano2158]

Was this just with Lloyds 585 Cams? Or was something else done to it?

[@BrandonBicasso]

That’s it. 111, 585s, stage 1 air filter/exhaust, tune.

[@benitopellerano2158]

@@BrandonBicasso nice!!! That’s the next step for mine. Thanks

[@BrandonBicasso]

@@benitopellerano2158 sure thing. Lemme know if you have any other questions.

[@tax905972]

Just wondering if all the shavings make it run better?

[@BrandonBicasso]

There were no shavings.

[@fader2701]

what happened to the holes they drilled in your exhaust?

[@BrandonBicasso]

They were plugged with metal caps.

[@daveross5314]

What does Jared do for a living is he a Dr afford that sweet hotrod and able to slap down 800 on cams Lol Dam that sounds sweet

[@BrandonBicasso]

Truck Driver and good money management

[@atomicplus-us]

See that Jarrett had his popcorn, I mean Nerds for the event. 😀 Was Josh making adjustments to the power controller to tune it while on the dyno? Never watched it being done. Saying it again, that machine rumbles!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Yes, that's exactly what he was doing. Messing with the fuel to air ratio and a number of other things. Very involved.

[@tax905972]

OK WHO STRIPPED OUT THAT BOLT, DUDE WAS DRILLING ON?

[@BrandonBicasso]

It's not stripped. They're rivets.

[@happybabymusic4664]

Been keeping up with you for a while. Plan to meet up with you in Palms Springs this Summer but you better come correct when you replace your Bobber. I'm talking BIG Fan fare, streamers, balloons, and fish fry, everythang. It seems like all of Alabama gonna have their Indian before you. You want your fans to start you a "GoFundyou " page?? Even better just beg Indian for one of those ftr S... Ride safe keep them wheels turning.

[@BrandonBicasso]

LOL! I think the whole state definitely might get theirs before me. Trying to find a balance in being responsible and the opposite with my next purchase. Indian doesn't pay me any mind so I doubt asking them (even though I've spoken to reps several times about it) will do any good.

[@deormanrobey892]

👀 👍

[@BrandonBicasso]

👀👀👀

[@tax905972]

Plenty metal shavings in that exhaust.

[@oaklakersable]

How much they cost with installation and dyno?

[@BrandonBicasso]

It depends. I may need to do a video on this because if you don't have a tuner, that's an included cost of about $400. The cams and dyno are about $799 then you have to have the tuner. Also, you have to get a stage 1 air filter which is another added cost. Also, a less restrictive exhaust set up.