This is the Best Laptop (for me). - HP Elite Dragonfly G4

[@GreenFox1505]

They should divorce themselves from their printer division because when I hear HP, now all I think about is their printer trying to become a subscription.

[@ETHANR26]

those printers are just skynet

[@OccupiedMuffins]

100% agree, their printer division is REALLY dragging the hp name through the mud

[@JulioMigSantos]

HP has been awful quality for ages, laptops included, they only started to make a come back in the past 10 years which much better laptops. Their laser printers are not bad either I have a laser 1022n from like WW2 era and it still prints like a champ and refills are super cheap

[@TrueMinuteman]

Totally agree specially after owning one of those damned printers

[@asnaeb2]

HP provides israel's computer system for facial recognition on Palestinians. Boycott HP!

[@adequatequality]

ShortCircuit and their obsession with not putting the item being reviewed in the title will always amaze me

[@FinneasJedidiah]

First, it's an unboxing, not a review. Second, they do what helps the most people see their videos. Blame the people using KZbin/the algorithm.

[@Pr0toPoTaT0]

​@RAH012he's just flexing his shitty HP.

[@metallurgico]

there is a link in the video description if you really want to know more about it

[@ofekbiger8557]

But they do put names in the titles..? just look at the last 10 or so videos, names are in the title

[@jamesorrell7462]

@RAH012 but it kind of is, even if they don’t want to call it that. Alex gives his personal opinion on the item that he is looking at

[@Samuel.55]

If you want to charge this laptop, you need buy HP’s proprietary electricity. Any other electricity may transfer malware

[@r.b.ratieta6111]

Shh, don't give HP any ideas.

[@leonro]

I actually heard of a laptop from Lenovo charging over USB, but the charger was proprietary and no third party PD charger would work. It's not just HP being shady in laptopland (though HP is an incredibly sketchy company all-round, so definitely don't trust them).

[@tiagobelo4965]

​@@leonro huh, weird, luckily enough my Lenovo has one of those wonky looking fat rectangular charging ports, so at least if I get a third party charger it'll work if it has the right plug

[@leonro]

@@tiagobelo4965 I also had one of those with the rectangular plug. The laptop itself was pretty decent, but it had a really bad chassis. They used such a cheap plastic that after roughly 2.5 years it was cracking all over the place, rendering my headphone jack unusable, and the plastic threads holding the screen hinge broke as well.

[@DizzyBusy]

Lol!

[@alg003]

That thing is over 2 grand not including tax. not even a dedicated GPU, only 16 gigs of ram, and only half a tb of storage, now that's actually a rip off. Shame on you HP.

[@TheXlen]

Eh, that's not the actual business pricing that you'd pay for it, that's the "I want to show off I'm business man" pricing, the going price is for the i5 16GB 512 with touch is around 1k€

[@tiagobelo4965]

​​@@TheXlenmate, with the upgrades I put on it (16gb ram kit, the original stick was reused to upgrade my brother'd laptop), my laptop, with a 3050, ryzen 5 5600h, the cooling to keep up pretty well woth both, and 1.5tb of M.2 SSDs, whilst not really lagging behind this thing's display still cost me under 1k€ with tax

[@PeakDecline]

@@tiagobelo4965 "Mate" you're talking about a much larger laptop.

[@sihamhamda47]

The fact that with those price you can get a Ryzen 9 + RTX 4070 laptop instead

[@TheXlen]

@@sihamhamda47 given that this is a business laptop class, gaming hardware is no concern for competition

[@fish9468]

A laptop should do everything decently, the display latency built in should be the dealbreaker. For $1800, a 1080p responsive display should be the absolute minimum.

[@pk9580]

Exactly, how did they even manage that high responses? ASUS has oleds that have better response than gaming laptops, like 0.2ms

[@nicholasfaber9695]

@@pk9580oleds are literally renowned for their response times so not exactly a comparison

[@theDitchdigger456]

honestly 1080p period at that price should be a deal breaker imo

[@jehhh7794]

​@@pk9580because it's an OLED... And OLEDs inherently are just better

[@ZQM-cx8fn]

@@theDitchdigger456It’s for productivity. Most people are using excel and other office products on it. A high response or high resolution doesn’t matter. People are paying for build quality and IO.

[@joonglegamer9898]

LOL, I checked our Swedish HP site, the CHEAPEST one starts at 2100 USD, and the one you recommended comes in at a cheap 2790 USD, yeah - nope lol.

[@Jaxv3r]

Because tax is already included in the price while here in Canada and America they don't include it, so that's why it's annoying for me to buy anything especially electronics I have to imagine 30$-100$ when I put it on the counter or cart.

[@T0DD]

You could get a framework for that price

[@tuannguyenminh2870]

​@@T0DD the framework isn't that good.

[@perseus31]

Its the nworst laptop they reviewed. Between 1k to 2k you can find A LOT OF laptops that are way better. Just go buy M3 Pro Macbook Pro.. Even my M1 Air is way better after the price

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

@@perseus31I was going to say the same thing

[@Bleuducky]

It sounded like the only thing this laptop does really well is the keyboard

[@perseus31]

And he still said its worse than a Macbook its crazy. Just buy a huawei 14s or 16s and call it the best even that one is better than this Edit: Sorry he says MacBook is an A- because it's just as fast but not that satisfying. Just buy MacBook Pro guys..

[@wuroiz8848]

@@perseus31no he didn’t say that

[@fug33]

keyboard + great port selection (no dongle life) + excellent build quality + screen is color accurate

[@perseus31]

@wuroiz8848 Sorry I understood wrong. He says its Just as fast but not as satisfying as 2k overpriced hp laptop. If you're willing to gice 2k for a laptop, please try to find another A+ keyboard laptop not this overpriced thing that's what I tried to say.

[@nnnnnn3647]

they pay for ad.

[@giulioganzerli2233]

Wow! A display like that on a machine that expensive is just bad imo. Personally I had experiences with several HP laptops at various price points. And now after those I just avoid anything from HP. My favourite anecdote is when an Envy x360's hinge broke as I was opening the laptop, cracking the screen in the process. Mind you, the laptop had less than a year. But the reason for the failure was that in a laptop with an all-aluminum body the hinges were screwed (with metal screws) to a hard plastic plate, that broke. And all the other laptops were plagued with issues that made me feel like I was being scammed every time. And don't get me started on printers.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I think the resolution is fine since it's supposed to have a long lasting battery life. Some brands just slap on a 4K display and talk about how much pixels it has while tanking the battery for negligible difference in overall experience.

[@leonro]

I had the same issue with the hinge breaking on a Lenovo laptop, but the display itself was fine (probably because of the large bezels).

[@jothain]

HP is really bad quality stuff. No matter what the product line is. I can't recall any laptop or printer I've ever had from HP that hasn't failed somehow in fairly short time. Also at work when displays have failed, they've all been HP's.

[@eTiMaGo]

We've had a few HP laptops over the years, the display has always been the weak point... My colleague had an Elitebook, needed to have the screen replaced twice... I had an Envy with a 3K screen, quite nice to look at but just so dim (kinda like me i guess). And now I have an older Firefly model, and the screen has weird issues with ghosting, color saturation being out of whack if the brightness is not at 100%... But otherwise yes, they do feel quite nice and solidly built, it's a shame...

[@leonro]

@@jothain I have a Windows XP laptop from HP that's relatively decent for what it is, and has held up fairly well. In fact, it can still work on battery for a little while. Otherwise, all of my more recent HP products (laptops and printers mostly) have been... problematic, to say the least.

[@MartinStrazynski]

*signal interrupted* 'PIXEL RESPONSE TIME'

[@lopwidth7343]

Shitty laggy display lol

[@Itbankrock]

Poor pixel response time = instant no for me lol.

[@PFnove]

@@Itbankrockwhen it's a little bad you can live iwth it, but that was like 30-40ms of latency

[@THE-X-Force]

Since they can never mention it up front .. it starts at $1,769 and the one being reviewed is $2,279. I kinda like to know how much things cost BEFORE I watch a ~20 minute video telling me how great it is.

[@ryanhamstra49]

That’s why they don’t. Gotta get the views or KZbin decides to kill the channel. At least they do tell you unlike many reviewers

[@reza310]

Thank you

[@AlliePaints]

Get bent? It makes more sense to talk about it and then discuss cost, but if you really want to be like that just click to the time stamp ffs

[@Kavyatej]

then proceeds to load options on the website

[@TominiOfficial]

Sometimes I do skip to the end and back just to see if it's worth the time or I will just be able to dream about it. Waste(dTime)Circuit :D

[@serowi2337]

endurance test at 720p is wild, your not spend $2200 to watch videos at 720p

[@Collin_J]

I think it's what KZbin default to now, and the majority of users don't change it (I agree with you though)

[@kahtyman7293]

@@Collin_J that's odd, i allways end up with 4k if available then 1080p

[@rockstarduh5]

At the distances people sit from their laptops typically, 720p is completely fine for KZbin

[@g2fiora]

yeah maybe you crank it as much as you can on pc, but on laptops and phones where battery life matters 720p is a decent sweet spot to decrease power usage while still not destroying image quality @@kahtyman7293

[@isaacstoltz9776]

could make sense from a battery life perspective. If you think about it, the screen isn't very large, lighting conditions probably aren't controlled, etc. There's more variables to the experience than resolution and bitrate, but if the bitrate is good enough (and the res is at that size) or if you just don't care it makes a lot of sense if you're a student or at work and need your battery to last as long as possible between charges under a light load.

[@jonny4036]

Literally version of this G4 on HP's website right now on sale for $979.00. 16gb RAM. Touch screen display. 512GB storage and Intel Core i5-1335U.

[@TheXlen]

Yeah that's generally around their going business pricing for that setup

[@jorgebustillos8469]

16gb ram is like 3 tabs + 1 720p video tops

[@TheXlen]

@@jorgebustillos8469 I mean given that these kinds of laptops are almost exclusively used by upper management type of people, who sit in teams meetings most of their day it doesn't matter

[@d313m5]

@@jorgebustillos8469I can host a dedicated Minecraft server, play an e-sports title and a 4K video, and have Discord open in the background with no problem and I only have 16 GB of RAM.

[@CheapBastard1988]

​@@jorgebustillos8469Get a better browser.

[@robertdascoli949]

5:30 There is no way you can have a pixel response time that terrible on a laptop from 2024 that costs more than $300. I was thinking of getting this cause I too value battery above all else, but god damn that's a non-starter.

[@AlJerry]

13:19 from the short direct head to head sound comparason i can definitely tell you that they're not the same, the new one has way less highs & sounds a bit muffled compared to the old one ;)

[@codec_corner]

I think at LMG they use sennheiser mkh50s for the newer sets and 416s for the older setups. The 416s have a pretty cone-shaped pickup so if it's directly pointed at Alex, the mic may not pickup the laptop off to the side accurately

[@AlJerry]

@@codec_corneryes, that could be the case or Alex have hearing problems :D

[@julfy_god]

to not have 7840u at this pricepoint is just a crime. likeee it's really not much better than some random $500-600 laptop, maybe keyboard and chassis are better, but are only these 2 things worth spending 1500 more? nope.

[@tejasraman6913]

if you choose the right display, it's better. Webcam is better. Speakers are better. I own own and am typing this on it.

[@AarPlays]

"I have a direct line to ms, so it's solved .... For this device specifically at Least" Ahh, good ol fragmentation

[@sauce8559]

Be aware that this Laptop will still have some small irregualer issues when using Linux. We use the G3 at Work (Also have some G4s for testing) and there are infrequent issues with the internal microphone and using lan over a dock. Otherwise this definetly is a very good device!

[@lucasrem]

The Thunderbolt dock, what issues you have, you can't select all mics, only one ? LAN too, do you select the right nic ? Should work good with Unix

[@sauce8559]

@@lucasrem You can select the internal mic, but its has issues where it randomly doesnt recognize the installed driver and so it wont work. same with the lan port. We are using Ubuntu.

[@seabrookmx]

​@@sauce8559 what's the battery life like under Ubuntu? I'm suffering with ~3hrs on my Framework 13 (12th gen) browsing and light coding :(

[@onirem4973]

As a guy that fixes these for a company, they are beauties inside The only gripe i have is that the lcd is stuck onto the lid, but at least the pull tabs don't break easy

[@seanh1988]

You're thinking of a different model. These display when serviced by a authorised HP partner the display comes as an assembly not a raw panel.

[@beebs4881]

Wonder if you will need a subscription to print to a non-HP printer (which you need a subscription to use)

[@ARCWoodCraft]

Well don’t GIVE them ideas!! 😂

[@mehowme]

Nah, just to use the charger 😂

[@LukaSauperl]

The speakers were not the same... At least not from what I could hear.

[@lucasrem]

hear on KZbin ?

[@LukaSauperl]

@@lucasrem while it is true that due to KZbin’s processing you can’t really judge the audio, but what you can do is hear the difference, and with these laptops I hear a difference.

[@thefriendlybanana9658]

​@@LukaSauperlMy guess is the difference is just because of location from the microphone. They probably are pretty similar irl 🤷.

[@RirtyDascal]

No way this cat gets that kinda volume without a blow dryer... Oh, and nice laptop. Edit: That's a big no from me after seeing the matte *and* dull display. I suspect I'll stick with my M1 Air for quite a while longer. Battery life is *still* absolutely amazing and I got mine very shortly after they were launched.

[@andrewt9204]

I was looking for a windows thin and light, but I decided to try an M2 macbook air 15. I've been intrigued by apple silicon since it released. Best Buy had (still does as of this moment) the 16GB/512GB variant for $1400. I honestly thought I was going to return it but I actually really like it. I haven't had a mac in 15 years, and it took a long time to re-adjust. So now I have my work issued XPS 15 for windows, and the macbook air for when I really want some serious on the go battery life. It's pretty great. I prefer matte displays, but they have to be good. The XPS is definitely acceptable to me.

[@oalfodr]

It is good that you mentioned that there is an buy option without the OS. I hate looking into laptops and seeing that I cannot opt out off a Windows licence I do not want

[@NavyDood21]

Until recently, I would not have cared about that at all. But having switch to Linux, I cant imagine ever going back to Windows. Other than maybe dual booting. It is awesome to see, even if I am not actually in the market for a new laptop anytime soon.

[@oalfodr]

@@NavyDood21 I mean the option to exclude the OS is not taking them any effort. But manufacturers almost always have mandatory OS for the profit margins. I really appreciate manufacturers not taking my money for Windows because I wouldn't even dual boot it. If I ever need to test how something would look like on Windows, I would just spin up a virtual machine that would be destroyed soon after and no license would be entered even if I had it

[@fujinshu]

Finally, we have found the secret to increasing Linux adoption: removing the Windows license upcharge!

[@kahtyman7293]

yeah, that's good, i don't want to stay with win11, i would install win10, any linux distro and win7 for work, just like i do with my laptop right now

[@priyanshusharma1812]

​@@oalfodrwhoa who told you they're not taking your money when giving you windows lol? If you get windows laptops that also have a non windows option, they're almost always 40-50 dollars more expensive, so you're paying more for something you probably wouldn't use or could've just pirated or got somewhere cheaper

[@Ripcode2233891]

This is a good example why a long term use review will bring across the character of the product way more than a single day use review like most products

[@yukami_debian]

I feel like most people would be satisfied with an 840. no need for a $2800 laptop

[@TheGodOfWar1337]

Or renewed modesl such the 845 Elitebook G8 on amazon are priced well imo. Kinda want to replace my 830 G7 with that .

[@cflynn3684]

Yep. I got an A grade refurbished hp elite book 845g7 with Ryzen 7 4750u and 16gb ddr4/512gb ssd for just under $300. It’s more powerful than this thing, has nfc and lte, smart card reader, and upgradable ram. Nothing is soldered except for the APU. If I want, I can add an lte card and have years of service for the price difference between these laptops. It also has nearly an identical chassis design. I’m spending the other $2500 on things I can enjoy in life, shit that can buy a used car. Not cheap

[@indexed2232]

I got this laptop for work recently and its sooo beautiful

[@jona_archi]

i'm never buying hp devices again. A lot of their machines look super compelling, but my last laptop was an hp ENVY x360. The hinge broke just after two years because of insufficient glue. And that happened to lots of people. hp never admitted the design flaw and quoted me almost 500 euros for a repair. that's not the service i expect on a premium device.

[@Anabolicapple]

Went to the HP website. Same URL. Your video shows a 50% discount from the normal starting price of $2,548 for the same specs on screen as in your video. So You see a $1,274 starting price. I'm not sure why you're granted a 50% discount, but that's not on the HP website...

[@DDPWNAGE]

Could be something to do with the fact that they’re in Canada?

[@FarFromtheSuns]

@@DDPWNAGE I am also in Canada and not seeing any 50% discount.

[@CheapBastard1988]

The base model with the basic 1920x1280p screen and basic i5 is the one from the starting price, and it isn't in stock anywhere. It's probably because it's the low margin model that everyone wants, but HP doesn't want you to buy. It was the same with the Ryzen 5 2500U models of the HP Envy X360 (which was cheaper than the i3 model). It was sold out shortly after launch, back in stock on Black Friday, and sold out the day after.

[@RobertoBristo]

"I have a direct line to ms, so it's solved .... For this device specifically at Least" Ahh, good ol fragmentation

[@Gogo8mkd]

Those speakers are definitely not the same.

[@codec_corner]

I think at LMG they use sennheiser mkh50s for the newer sets and 416s for the older setups. The 416s have a pretty cone-shaped pickup so if it's directly pointed at Alex, the mic may not pickup the laptop off to the side accurately

[@Gogo8mkd]

@@codec_corner Thanks, that might be it.

[@mikkovirtanen9866]

Before i used HP Elitebook 8470p in years 2012-2019 and from year 2019 i have been using HP Elitebook 850 G6. I love Elitebooks.

[@abakedpotato1486]

it is crazy to say that having 4 ports is considered "lots of IO" bruh maybe it's a small step above Macs that's about it

[@MindBlowerWTF]

when I saw the folding port I though it will be ethernet not folding A type xD

[@CortMarshal]

Bait and switch? The pricing is 50-100% more than what he says on HP's site and at the link in the description.

[@hnielsen123]

The exact one that he configured, except with the gloss instead of matte screen, shows as $979 on HP's site for me.

[@davidbetancourt4028]

This video was pure gold for me because my daughter's laptop constantly drains completely after being in hibernate for a day or so. We have to shut it completely off, and even then it seems to drain. This doesn't make any sense. I will be using the forum post to see if there's something that can be done.

[@tiagobelo4965]

Smells like a windows issue, "modern wake-up" or something similar to that, I remember it being a common complaint of the entire ltt team, especially Alex

[@lettherebegames8]

windows modern stand-by is the issue here, ltt did a whole video on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXmufJaaaNiraMUsi=MuSJkDNqtBtv1_q5

[@davidbetancourt4028]

@@lettherebegames8 I watched that video when it came out, but I don't recall there being any specific guidance. The laptop I purchased was after that video however.

[@davidbetancourt4028]

@@tiagobelo4965 Yeah, there's a video from LTT awhile ago _(see the link above)._ He mentions it in this video, which is why I paused and commented.

[@lettherebegames8]

@@davidbetancourt4028 yeah that's why it's such a big problem, there's pretty much no fix for it because it's a 'feature' of windows

[@robjobse5162]

So cool to see them offer a device without windows!

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Why? Not like they're dropping the price much? I'd rather get a license key that I can use in e.g. the Windows VM I need once a month.

[@robjobse5162]

@@pieterrossouw8596just because you have a singular use case that most people definitely do not doesn't mean it's not cool lol

[@SweetSweetCandyBoyz]

If this is priced at anything over $1,200, it’s not worth it. Even as a Windows guy, I’d still point someone to the M2 MacBook Air as a superior machine, or really, any reasonably priced comparable AMD equivalent - Low power Intel processors just aren’t efficient/powerful enough to compete.

[@shaunmoneil]

The sale price he shows doesn't appear to be valid right now, so it's not just over $1200, it's over $2600.

[@Qrzychu92]

yeah, once you go up to around 2k, just get a Thinkpad P14s, with Ryzen, as much RAM as you want, proper cooling, awesome keyboard, all IO you can imagine

[@dtibor5903]

Still amazed how garbage is the LCD in their premium laptops. I'm glad i chose an OLED laptop. My $1000 personal HP laptop runs better in every scenario than my $2000 HP laptop from my job with a crappy screen. I don't really get it.

[@n1k0n_]

HP fkd up when they discontinued the Dev One

[@MRi-iq5wf]

HP Keyboards for their laptops have gotten nice. At least for the ENvy and above

[@K.F-R]

HP just confirmed to me directly that they will *not* ship without Windows in Canada. Also, they seem to be having stock issues.

[@lucasrem]

stock issues in Canada, linus is shopping in the US !

[@RomvnlyPlays]

Why wouldn’t you want Windows included at start? It’s how the device gets its firmware updates and Windows can indicate if the device is functioning properly when you put something like Linux on it. Sets your expectations

[@VicharB]

I went with HP EliteBook 835 G10 7840U/32GB/5G with Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, total costing USD1,600, as a replacement for my older G8 5850U/16GB/1TB 970 Evo Plus. The bump is there definitely, with enough needed ports, just wish it had better battery life. It is best keyboard "A", next to ThinkPads "A+".

[@RATsnak3]

This laptop cannot simultaneously exist as an HP product and as the best laptop for you, I refuse to believe it.

[@beanmasterz]

So it's a bad laptop but hp paid a lot for this exposure, if it were any other brand it would've been bashed to hell

[@bob1505]

I'm very happy for you. I will Never never NEVER buy another HP product.

[@flick4556]

What happened if u don't mind saying

[@GroteGlon]

@@flick4556 HP laptops tend to just shit themselves and die. It's quite annoying. they also nearly always have overheating issues, weak hinges, tons of useless updates, poor overall build quality. as a IT technician, HP has some of the worst solder and thermal paste I've ever seen. Just never buy anything HP

[@flick4556]

@@GroteGlon what brand do u recommend than? I was thinking of buying a omen for school/game

[@Valoute_GS]

​@@flick4556Lenovo for sure

[@Yodaslayer3000]

​@@flick4556Over an HP? I'd recommend an Asus TUF, or just Asus period. I've had my TUF laptop for almost 6 years and it still does everything I want it for. The only thing I've had to replace is the charger port and that's like 10 bucks.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

It's definitely the top-tier choice for a Windows laptop. HP really leveraged the sense of convenience with its side-charge and its unmatched keyboard tactile feedback is a game changer!

[@DrPrepZilla]

"This is the best Labptawwp" Im dead.

[@JimFeig]

NFC would be awesome, we could use phones to log in.

[@gregm3381]

Don't all HPs overheat constantly.

[@davmbol]

My company uses the pro book series from hp as our fleet computers. Yes, they do all over heat. Mine is a Probook 450 G9 with I think a 12th Gen i5 and 16gb of ram. Sounds like a jet engine running a few office applications.

[@zacmullins7811]

Alex loves the laptop so much he utter the sentence, the processing is not great but it is if you compare it to a 3 year old cpu

[@kikmi1900]

"This is the best laptop" Continues for minutes explaining why its not the best laptop. Gotta love that continuity

[@MindBlowerWTF]

From his perspective this video is just extension of his G3 preview

[@m.junaidmahmood4209]

EliteBook/ProBook/Thinkpad are the Toyota Corolla's for the tech industry. Every engineer is issued one of these.. like 90%.

[@maxmouse3]

This is a great laptop! :) I wish it had an AMD version

[@lucasrem]

AMD, you need Nvidia too ? or onboard API ?

[@TSiAhmat]

The hp 845 series might be of interest to you

[@Martin-we1rm]

People praise the Lenovo keyboards but I agree with you the keyboard on my Elitebook is the absolute best.

[@lucasrem]

Elitebook has the best keys, true fact here, the same keys ?

[@Exotic-9780]

HP Elitebooks and Lenovo's Yoga Pro series have the best keyboards

[@Weepsy_]

bet hp had Alex in mind when they updated their Dragonfly model so glad that he actually found a laptop that he will switch to

[@georgesaade4355]

They should get this fine tuned power management to the omen lineup, it barely gets to 3 hours or 4 maximum with all power saving options enabled

[@BrewBlackburn]

And omens (Atleast the ones I've worked with) have dedicated GPUs which eat up a lot more power even idle.

[@WeebMeister37]

Can’t say I will trust HP

[@danielsacilotto3196]

This is a strange laptop to recommend. It is running a 13th Gen chip with Xe which is not competitive for the current market, it goes over 2k, has a mediocre display and peak brightness. 12 Hours of battery life is also not particularly impressive in markets with things like the MacBook Air. This is actually a terrible deal.

[@koalaunknown]

So the MacBook Air (which is generally regarded as overpriced) has 4 p-cores instead of 2, a real gpu, a better display, a better trackpad, and better battery life while this has more io and a slightly better keyboard. Even with the price cut, I fail to see how this laptop justifies its price.

[@CheapBastard1988]

The Macbook has a fatal flaw: It only runs MacOS.

[@koalaunknown]

@@CheapBastard1988 As someone who uses both macOS and Windows on daily basis, I can with complete confidence that macOS is better for productivity, but even if you don’t like it, nothing is stopping you from using Linux.

[@DominikZogg]

I really like the normal Elitebooks as a Developer (RAM can be replaced) often cheap to buy, powerful and reliable. Run them with Fedora Linux (private and business)

[@arigood8211]

loved my hp elitebook 840 g2 back in the day good to see they are still making good laptops

[@carl2k6]

Well my elitebook G6 gave up before the warranty ended (hinge, touchscreen) plus performance was a joke (the last point is most probably business software). New one is still slow as f*

[@SoM3KiK]

I went with a elitebook 840 g7 2 years ago for 550€ secondhand + 50€ for extra 16gb ram (total 32) and it's still a very good laptop for developers.

[@JdgKdoFhr]

One suggestion, if I may make some: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, add the hosters usecase MORE specific. My bet on this laptop, ITS CRAP IN ANY HAEVY LOAD. That should be clear to any viewer. Any heavy load means to me (sysadmin): - running docker desktop with several containers - running wireshark - running browser (prefferably firefox, cause chromium sucks) with several tabs open, one of which with a youtube video - console open; terminal with powershell & wsl2 - outlook open - teams open (the new one, cause the old one sucks) - notepad++ open (like anyone closes this ever)

[@MindBlowerWTF]

I do all of that minus docker, but plus JVM and IDE on old 8350u.

[@awdadwadwad1723]

That’s a LOT of cons for a “best” laptop lol

[@fire2day]

Pretty sure the last HP I worked on had something like 12 screws holding the bottom on. This one is more in-line with the Dell XPS, which are super nice to work on.

[@starkiller18]

watching these laptop reviews over the last few years just makes me miss large screen laptops. I'm visually impaired and in most cases even a 15' screen is just to small for me. you used to be able to get 17' or larger laptops but they stopped making them in favor of tiny 13' models. They need to bring back the larger screen laptops.

[@ccelik97]

There're still 18' laptops out there. But I have a better solution/approach moving forwards: The visor style AR glasses _(really large FoV)._ And just before any naysayers that might attempt to "boo" me: No lol, you're incorrect _now;_ absolutely dope stuff are coming out this year _(or maybe some are already out in certain regions)._

[@deyangeorgiev]

yep, the biggest Hp laptop (before going into the ZBook mobile workstation world) is the 860 G10. Quite nice device but still only 16"

[@thisisbeanton]

​@@deyangeorgiev what market? The envy 17-cr1087nr is a 17 inch HP laptop

[@deyangeorgiev]

@@thisisbeanton yes, I meant Enterprise grade. Elitebook and such. I completely forgot about their standard offerings

[@isaiahmaness9593]

This has honestly just become candidate #1 for my next laptop (as soon as I can replace my current gaming laptop with a desktop pc)

[@cogspace]

Weirdly I was looking at one of these specifically for the NFC reader… for Dungeons and Dragons. I have little NFC stickers on the bottoms of all of my D&D miniatures which I use for keeping track of them using custom software that I wrote. If that’s not the most specific reason to be excited about a laptop ever, I don’t know what is.

[@FarFromtheSuns]

The NFC is pretty cool if you use something like a yubikey. Not having to actually plug it in would be nice.

[@williamcampbell9859]

Weird flex but ok

[@kordama27]

Of all the LMG videos, Alex's laptop reviews are the best

[@DedSysOp]

Eff HP i refuse to buy their servers, desktop, laptops or printers because of their continuous shitty ink scams

[@Notverygoodatall]

Writing documents for 12 hours straight? Sounds like hell

[@marcosvictor4935]

It's an HP, certainly it's shit

[@GroteGlon]

I've fixed more HP laptops than any other laptop brand COMBINED by far

[@Novskyy621]

Yep. Don't buy anything from this cartel

[@dustojnikhummer]

You can easily say that about Dell, Lenovo etc

[@RaineyPeng]

He said for his specific use case it’s the best.

[@Sponsi_PL]

It's dy!!!

[@fluffyflextail]

Looks and feels a lot like the Elitebook lineup of laptops in the HP products. The difference between the laptops in the business category can feel somewhere between "Non-Existence" and "Far too subtle".

[@web1bastler]

"Solid I/O"... one type A, two type C and HDMI... To me, that is pretty disappointing I/O for the pricepoint. Not even a micro SD card slot.

[@jefferyG499]

List of businesses who would allow their company laptops to have a MicroSD card slot enabled: *This page intentionally left blank.* Google: data exfiltration

[@tuannguyenminh2870]

I mean laptops nowadays have terrible IO. We are at a point where thin and light laptops typically only have some type C at best.

[@gigahertzmedia]

7:24 bro just triggered every thinkpad user

[@Tiranastraz]

1800 USD, WITHOUT a dedicated GPU ? What are people at HP smoking ???

[@diddymies]

not a gaming laptop. I repeat not gaming.

[@pitrochied]

0:47 impressed Minecraft villager😂

[@iswordlogici7760]

Whats up with this channel and promoting literal ewaste lately?

[@K1lljoy73]

I’ve been using this laptop as my work laptop for a few months now and it is fantastic. Glad to hear Alex rave about it too.

[@Rachitdubey]

I seriously think we need someone else from LTT to review laptops 😂

[@TychoVan]

why?

[@perseus31]

@@TychoVan Watch the video again after hearing that thing is 2k and he says it isn't even fast while browsing but ENOUGH for him. People buy M3 Pro Mb Pros and do their proffesional work bro.. They really should consider someone else or at least tell us video is sponsored or something

[@leonro]

​@@perseus31It's about the good keyboard and battery life, plus satisfactory display and speakers. It's good for very specific users, and not necessarily you, mate.

[@TychoVan]

oh didnt know abt the price, yeah thats outrageous

[@perseus31]

@@leonro He said macbook pros keyboard still better if I heard him right. You can still get paper like display with way better specs and speakers. This thing has nothing to offer for its price mate.

[@elderender]

What was this? this "Review" is completely all over the Place. completely making "This is the Best Laptop (for me)" over nothing and then just discarding discrepancies. for example: The display is 192x1820 and then Alex says "... you should stick (with that display) it gets you 3x to 4x" of battery life, but then when it comes to testing the battery the test at 1@15:28 the battery test was mixed with endurance for some reason and it was a KZbin playback at '720p' with half the screen brightness and a prime95 run. Those tests are completely unrelated even between themselves and second, why is a good test for a FullHD laptop with a 720p video? why not take the actual FullHD video at perhaps that half brightness and then at full brightness? the two bars are just one really big and one really small what does that convey against other HP or professional laptops? Then at @13:13 Alex compares the speakers of both computers and says "It's the same" when it's clearly not, you can hear it, and if it is because of the mic why not put an asterisk saying something like "The effect of the recording may distort the sound"? you can hear the older model is clearer, that was just baffling. Then the part about upgradeability when says "not fantastic" is very strange because you can only change one thing when in most laptops even HP laptops you can at least upgrade two parts, the RAM and the SSD, and on top of that he even says that the SSD may be encrypted out of the box (or hints at that), so only one component? I think I will change the word from "not fantastic" to "almost none". This is just not the way to review a Laptop and something aimed as an option for professionals, if that were the case then why at least not put more effort into the review?

[@acrain7]

I'm gonna be honest this seems like a terrible and overpriced laptop.

[@ku0n-zo5uf]

1:52 worst peel ever, 0/10 would buy the laptop just to peel it myself properly

[@perseus31]

So this laptop is worse in every single field compared to my M1 Air for 2000 USD ! Who's even buying this

[@tuannguyenminh2870]

How much does an M1 Air with 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD cost?

[@RodimusPrime29]

So your telling me to continue to hold on to my Lenovo ThinkPad aluminum chassis X13 gen 2, with AMD Ryzen 7 pro 5850u for my business needs

[@Mr.Hatchet_]

Well dont care how good it is.. bought my last hp 5years ago.. Always had issues.. replaced units multiple times.. shittie support.. The notebook for my parents same issue.. No thanks..

[@diddymies]

meanwhile I have used for last 20 years and never had trouble. You had one bad laptop 5 years ago and you shit whole brand.. Very logical.

[@Mr.Hatchet_]

@@diddymies nah man.. i dont care about one bad laptop.. I had 2 needed to replace the second one 2 times after just 1-2 weeks of use. Same issue with another hp laptop from my parents 1 year later. And again with my systers school laptop. needed a repair after 1year cause the screen just stoped working. My sisters are now running lenovos since 3 years and i got mysellf a dell xps at the same time. We might just had bad luck but at this point and the 1000 other options availabell we are just done messing with hp..

[@jlpower]

$3700 for a great word processor that stinks at everything else but will run for 12 hours cord free.

[@dere9k]

His hair is gorgeous.

[@Nugzarimeshvelishvili]

Why are you comparing MSRP Prices You can Get M2 MacBook Air For Much Cheaper

[@ryutx3717]

-bad screen (1080p on a 1700$ laptop) -bad cpu -sub battery life compared with a apple laptop -mid trackpad -its from hp but hey it has a good keyboard 👍

[@ivangerginov5648]

Exactly. Very accurate summary

[@taiwoadegbayi7115]

Been a while since Alex complained about WIndwos Modern Standby

[@BeautifulMadeline]

Round corners is life

[@ezkymos]

16:04 I've never seen the Hub solving any issue nor giving updates at all since W10.

[@Infinity_Ghost]

There's a reason why HP laptops are called "Horno Pirolítico" (pyrolitic oven in spanish). Never will I buy an HP ever again. If I want a BBQ I'll buy a freaking BBQ

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

Laptops just run hot In general

[@Sweet-Tooth31]

The one I heard that always cracked me up is HP stands for (H)ijo de (P)uta lol

[@RegularEverydayNormalGuy]

Most people could actually do just like I did and get an old thinkpad, snatched a X390 with 16GB RAM 256GB SSD, i5 8gen, nice 1080p display, loud sound, amazing built quality and keyboard (with backlight), windows hello and fingerprint sensor for 240 euros here in Italy (bought from a refurbisher in eBay). Honestly after buying this I felt stupid ever owning a macbook or anything else for productivity.

[@ivangerginov5648]

Nice one. 2nd hand is usually fine but personally I'm a bit scared of buying used laptops since there's moving parts. I got one couple years back and the hinges were destroyed on the inside, which I found out later. It's a bit of a risk.

[@RegularEverydayNormalGuy]

@@ivangerginov5648 You ate right, it is a risk, but then there are certified refurbishers that even have option to get warranty, my X390 came with 12 months but I saw some with option to extend too. Also I bought 3 laptops for family in the 3 years (before the thinkpad haha), 1 Acer Aspire 5 had to be replaced by the manufacturer after 1 month and the other lenovo started giving me so much trouble I just gave up. So I guess warranty is always nice lol.

[@acarrillo8277]

When I worked at FreeGeek HP did not stand for hewlett packard it stood for horrible products. I stand by that statement as they were some of the worst laptops to repair and get back out into the community and don't even get me started on their printers.(edit) Ok I'll admit, letting you order it without an OS is pretty cool of them.

[@spencergates5766]

16:18 This is a great example of something that has started bugging me with LTT videos in general recently. I watch these videos because I am a novice, because I don't already know everything there is to know about computers and I want to learn. And then in the videos they just address the viewer as if they already know by saying, "Oh ya and of course you'll want to disable X, Y, or Z setting or else you'll destroy your whole computer." And then they move on without even explaining anything further. It's infuriating cuz then I have to do a google search or watch an entire other video about that topic. This is supposed to be Tech TIPS, for beginners, right?? Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@hugos2886]

You should review a laptop from a pretty new company, Kreative Devices! Their laptops seem too good to be true when you look at the specs for the price. But if they turn out to be great, this would be an awesome laptop!

[@tanaybhomia2784]

He has **such light** in his eyes. Its amazing

[@mullergyula4174]

HP also overcharges for RAM, 16G to 32G upgrade costs $660. LOL. I am sticking to some upgradable laptop with my next purchase.

[@Rusty3ghz]

There's no way it is the best laptop on the market if it's not a ThinkPad and doesn't have a trackpoint

[@mingus3515]

my version of this, my perfect laptop that feels as though it was designed with me as the target demographic exactly, is the surface laptop go 2 i have. It's great, love the form factor and everything that it is in a way that i feel like i could not get with any other laptop. Great keyboard, 3:2 screen, and costs SIGNIFICANTLY less than something like the laptop in this video

[@spetcnaz83]

In 2024 it is unacceptable, especially at these prices, to have such a terrible response time on a screen.