THIS IS WHY ISSUES FIRED MICHAEL BOHN

Issues talked about Michael's departure and stated that he wasn't putting enough effort into the band. All members were constantly trying to improve their skills but stated that Michael wasn't feeling it. Michael was sent for vocal lessons to improve singing but he just did not show enough commitment towards it.
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[@gumgumclap2310]

Kicking out Michael was the biggest mistake issues made as a band...their peak is over

[@Trauzzinator]

I agree!!! It's the same with ISS!!!

[@mr.martinii3608]

Tbh no.I think they have a point saying even oli learned how to sing, they prolly would’ve built a really strong fan base in the heavy scene but I think the y were wanting to take it to the next level…and I think they would have become a way bigger band then they were judging off of how good and much more catchy their last album was but sadly Tyler had to do some dumb shit

[@Trauzzinator]

@@mr.martinii3608 Their last album didn't chart as well plus they we're kinda coming off as assholes!!!

[@chernail]

Agreed

[@jrh0814]

they should have been more worried about making sure Tyler was working on keeping his hands to himself

[@I_TheCreator]

😂😂😂😂

[@dev1ljuce352]

Nah y'all wanted him to sing and he is a SCREAMER. What did you think was gonna happen?

[@prod.afterglow]

Fair enuf

[@Sylvanari]

Sorry about how poorly this aged

[@dev1ljuce352]

@@Sylvanari whatcha mean

[@_frvn_]

There's a long time ago then he isn't a scesmer

[@JohnDoe-mv2be]

Check out The Villa, Michael does vocals, pretty sure it's Wildomar with a different lineup after Teddy Swims quit

[@davesmusicchannel3590]

It's Ironic that a) Tyler got fired and b) Michael sings in The Villa and it sounds really good! He can hit some high notes

[@prod.afterglow]

Makes you think there was probably more to why they kicked him out, this was probably just the "easy" explanation. Did Michael ever release a statement?

[@davesmusicchannel3590]

@@prod.afterglow I don’t know but im doing a vid on my channel soon

[@CrzyWzrd4L]

The Villa’s stuff was very egregiously pitch corrected lol

[@prod.afterglow]

Issues talked about Michael's departure and stated that he wasn't putting enough effort into the band. All members were constantly trying to improve their skills but stated that Michael wasn't feeling it. Michael was sent for vocal lessons to improve singing but he just did not show enough commitment towards it.

[@oeheaven]

yea that would have made sense if they would have not lied to the public about him leaving vs them firing him. Honestly, I believe they did it because Aj could scream and they did not want to pay Michael anymore. Their new stuff blows anyway just like it always does when original line ups replace/get rid off. Being a long time fan it is a real shame but if you watch any of Micheals interviews on this it seems Tyler was always doing shit like this and making up stories just to get his way.

[@mattb1676]

Dan White lol you’re just stuck in 2012 their new music is leagues above their old music

[@oeheaven]

​ Matt B Are you kidding me their new music lacks diversity its just repetitive garbage. Their old stuff is way better than this new sell-out shit. So keep hoping on that Tyler train he is a lying sack of shit anyway fuck Issues now.

[@theflipper404]

@@oeheaven dude, their old music was generic metalcore, this music now is crazy. I have never heard a song in my life that sounds like "find forever".

[@ELHXNDOMUSIC]

Matt B facts lol

[@flashbackshape]

Well now they have to find a replacement for Tyler. Awkward.. lol.

[@patbateman8116]

New title: THIS IS WHY ISSUES FIRED TYLER CARTER

[@TheAntManChannel]

They should have kept Bohn and fired Carter. Holy shit.

[@Yusoo8]

TheAntManChannel Tyler has the better vocal ability and strength , terrible idea.

[@sesh517]

@@Yusoo8 apples and oranges. They're completely different vocalists.

[@jesuslovessatan]

The fact that Tears On The Runway 2 is an Issues song whilst TOTR 1 is a Tyler Carter song made me think Issues is essentially just “Tyler Carter’s metalcore-inspired solo side project featuring some of his pals”, and Michael Bohn’s exclusion has something else behind besides “he left”. But I don’t know any of the guys personally, so I hope I’m wrong.

[@jlav9594]

Wow. What assholes. I met Michael once. Gave him a ride to the House of Blues. Super nice guy. Seemed genuine and not full of himself. It was only a few minutes but still. You guys did him dirty af.

[@mehrank6880]

Yeah Michael seems like a cool dude, now look at what happend to this band. it is destroyed because of carter.

[@FLmetalhead]

That’s a weird excuse. He’s always been a screamer and you already have a good clean vocalist. So why would Michael need to start doing cleans to stay in the band? That being said I think Michael’s cleans on Headspace sounded good. So what’s the problem? To be honest I’ve never liked when bands have two frontmen but I liked them together. Dumb.

[@theflawedkid]

HAHA, these guys don't have a single idea what will happen to them in Sept. 2020. Micheal is getting a lot of positive feedbacks in his new band The Villa, released 2-3 songs by the time of this writing. Tyler just got kicked out of Issues because of serious sexual allegations which he have admitted to some. And wait, there's more, if you listen to Turning Point by The Villa, Micheal can already sing well 👀

[@vincemcmahon9867]

I dont even really listen to this type of music anymore but I ride with mike I admire what hes been through for the music

[@colinwendt9992]

What the heck happened to WildHeart?

[@theflawedkid]

@@colinwendt9992 Yeah, maybe it didn't work out, tbh, I tried to like it but country rock/indie is simply not my cup of tea. Plus, he's better off a front-man than a drummer.

[@sobecmackofil]

@@colinwendt9992 lead singer left and went solo lol

[@colinwendt9992]

@@sobecmackofil Teddy Swims blew up last year apparently. Millions and millions of views on his cover videos. His vocal style is pretty astonishing.

[@SleeperHonda]

Man this band really hurt my feelings. I fuckin used to love them. Man what in the hell even happened...

[@MusicForTherapy]

Glad to hear about Woe is Me returning without Tyler! Tyler is a douce

[@Yusoo8]

Nah he’s the best vocalist in the game

[@MusicForTherapy]

We can agree to disagree… I’d take Jonny Craig any day over Tyler Carter. Not to say I wouldn’t take Tyler over Hance though 😉

[@Terdfertersen]

Shit ain’t the same without Michael. Their new songs aren’t bad but it just ain’t the same.

[@EmazingGuitar]

This band fell off hard, and AJ is a total crybaby on twitter, dude can’t stop complaining about life yet he experienced what most amateur musicians DREAM of. Dude is so ungrateful

[@silonixstudios8630]

This is difficult, but this is my unbiased response from an industry standpoint. Michael and tyler KILLED it in woe is me. Thats when they both got big, his screams complimented tylers clean vocals. But from 2010-2015 we all know that rise records & the rest of the metalcore industry started getting lighter & lighter. You are literally asking someone who is ripping his vocal chords in a heavy band to readapt to a genre that is entirely diametric to what he is used to. His cleans were alright, but see that's the problem. Your asking michael, a baritone punk sounding clean vocalist to duo with tyler who was the first vocalist to get on jonny craigs level thats not fair. especially comparing him to all these sites, Ollie does have good clean vocals but people seem to forget that when Bring Me The Horizon got signed to epitaph, Ali had vocal surgery done and he had a lot of money behind him and he was loved for his image so it wasn't exactly fair to compare all the in Michael ..Also & i'm not trying to talk trash, but the Ferrris brothers not being apart of issues had a big infuence in the sound change. I think that Issues was ..i suppose the word would he bold, by dropping the BY FAR THE BEST synth player for a DJ.. like i'm well aware that most hardcore/metalcore bands no longer have synth artists because it can all be programmed, but as someone who played synth/keys for metalcore bands i noticed key highlights throughout their entire tracks with WIM, i don't know why ferris wasn't brought into issues but him & his brother not being apart of the new project affected the sound big time. Issues has hardcore roots, but it wen't in a jazzzy-like hardcore direction as the scene kids grew up and the next generation came in, and unfortunetly michael and the ferris brothers were no longer needed. I do wanna say, i'd prefer the ferris's keys over the DJ programs any day, but you're recieving advice from someone who will always miss the old metalcore. So my opinion is in no way objective, and they have been very, very successfull using turn tables instead of keys, and going all cleans. I just wanna say now that tyler is no longer apart of issues, the band has everything up in the air at this point. Michaels new project is.. interesting it seems like something hopeless records would sign, and replacing tyler will be hard. I honestly would just start a new project, it's honestly apparent that what we get now is in no way similiar to the legacy issues left so make another legacy. Tyler changed the game by mimicking Johnny Craig's R&B vocal style which used to be thought of as impossible and now there are a ton of vocalist like that.. like I said everything's up in the air but these gentlemen seem to be extremely talented regardless of my opinion and I hope this was pretty unbiased

[@febryannur8466]

Same thing would happen to ollie if bmth have a singer like tyler's quality both skills\influence lol

[@Johwanfane]

Still Jonny Craig no 1 in the game with the god voice

[@sobecmackofil]

@4killerCurtis true. Honestly Oli's not even a good screamer or singer. Don't get me wrong he is still above average but it's mostly the charisma and image going for him that made them popular.

[@sobecmackofil]

100% agree. I'm just glad Tyler's gone too now. He seems like a douche.

[@Omen465]

The Ferris bros not being a part of Issues changed the sound sure but that was a bass and keyboard player. They were always gonna have AJ as their guitarist and he has that very distinct way of playing guitar.

[@n1gh7m4re]

Weak excuses. Also how's that sexual misconduct Tyler?

[@jscottgp2011]

Seemed to me like it wasn’t he wasn’t pulling his weight, it was more so he wasn’t wanting to move the direction the band was wanting to. Use the guitar as an example but that’s stupid since it’s still you staying in your wheelhouse. Michael wasn’t a singer, he was the screamer. Why would he want to practice singing if he wanted to be a screamer? I’ll be following him before following where this garbage music is going. Tyler has done taken over this band too so I’m starting to see why Woe Is Me fell apart. They blamed that on Austin at the time but I’m starting to question that too. Best of luck Issues!

[@black_phillipe]

Boy... Get your dumb face out here before you get jumped.

[@Omen465]

I mean Michael and the Ferris brothers left woe is me after Tyler was already gone so it couldnt have been Tyler. And michael wouldnt have agreed to join Tyler again with Issues if he was the problem.

[@_frvn_]

I just want original Woe, Is Me once more time :(

[@prod.afterglow]

Would be amazing

[@azure8696]

Point blank

[@musicleakster447]

Sad to see Michael go but if he wasn't pulling his weight in the band then he had to go. ISSUES got some great musicians and they need to evolve/improve to stay relevant

[@oeheaven]

he did pull his weight he got fired but they said he quit at first then since they were receiving bad press they decided to tell the truth. Tyler has always been stealing members from Micheal since before Of Machines.

[@datboi_gee]

It'd be a totally different thing if they were transparent about everything but their music just isn't what it used to be and they didn't feel a need to keep Michael around with the change in sound. If they got heavier, you could bet your ass he'd still be in the band. Because he was good in his role within the band. But they changed and had less and less of a role for him to fill out. It was either keep him and have him do other things like sing or play instruments, keep him and write heavier music he could participate equally in, or cut him entirely. And they didn't need other instruments, even another vocalist, because the band is already fleshed out and talented at what they do. So even if Michael got pretty good at singing, he'd still be left with scraps because Tyler is so significantly better than the average singer. I'm not into their new record at all. I can vibe with a couple tracks but the bulk of the record just isn't what I want or even like from this group of dudes. Personally think they'd be more relevant today if they kept Michael and went deeper into the metal aspect of their sound but Tyler seems to have the guys bend to his will, and that just isn't how he wanted things to go. And that's totally fine. But it certainly isn't anything Michael did wrong or could have even prevented.

[@Nobody-ss7ks]

Gerald Wiseman ya im pretty sure they wanted to go less screamy and wanted him to sing but he didnt wanna learn

[@jaredraikowski1858]

This didn’t age well lmaooo

[@tolerhousecookies69]

I can't not wait for your new album I love all of your songs also congrats on getting engaged Tyler

[@sobecmackofil]

that didn't age well Tyler divorced and kicked off the band lmao

[@ModernResilience]

If anyone is interested in seeing more from Michael, his new band is called the Villa. Here is a link to their most recent music video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoObnJ6VmdmFq5o I have a feeling there is definitely more to come, and this one won't fizzle out like Wildheart did.

[@nuoxy]

maybe he did not wanna go fully soft

[@anzengs293]

its called tissues

[@ale-sj3yz]

alguien que lo subtitule

[@CamAnd13]

Basicamente dicen que "No estaba poniendo el esfuerzo suficiente en mejorar" y AJ da un ejemplo bastante tonto comparando el cantar con tocar la guitarra.

[@megaman5627]

but like use are literally nothing without Michael and use really never explained why use got rid of him

[@jacobemerson4749]

Unfortunately it was an... Issue. MUHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

[@leoca8691]

HE wasnt doing enough? He was the 50% of the band... now its a 0% to me.

[@knaxor]

He wasn’t wanting to improve or change. When your entire band is moving forward and you wanna stay where you’re at, you’re gonna left behind.

[@xanthelinhs2143]

20%, theres 4 other members of the band.

[@BananaWamma7]

Lol wtf? There’s not just two members? Plus their reasoning was very understandable. Plus they just kept using him less and less starting with the second album. I’m sure it made both business and creative sense, you cut the check and cut the guy who’s job others in the band can already fulfill. They ended up arguably releasing their best material with this past record now so who really cares.

[@decoqz]

I don't know if was he leaving the band but now Issues turn to a shit pop band

[@mmikced]

I mean he wasn't a singer they wanted him to go singing hence the vocal lessons but michael is a screamer.

[@ahfkajhfk]

nah they just wanted more money, and he was the only non-necessary member. i guess i can’t blame them. but tapping out mostly sucks btw, let’s hope the rest of the album delivers

[@prod.afterglow]

I watched Issues perform live in 2017 and all the band members stayed behind after the show except Michael. I asked the other members why he didn't stay and they just said he wanted to leave. I could tell there was a rising tension even on stage... From what the band has said, Michael just wasn't as motivated or dedicated to Issue as the rest... now we only know one side of the story... there may be reasons why he was not dedicated, maybe he didn't feel like he had a future in the band? I don't know. What I do know is that the band wanted one thing and he wanted another so they parted ways

[@mattb1676]

dealingwithit funny that you say that like you actually know lol You have no idea if that was the reason. So why come on and make a comment like you’re part of their inner circle and would know that? They obviously still have screaming in the band and Michael couldn’t sing live for the life of him.

[@trudanimal562]

All facts

[@oeheaven]

problem is they lied to their fans. I think that does not give a shit about them honestly after that. Saying he left and then later finding out they fired him. Michael has been the only real one the others have the issues.

[@marioazevedo1428]

@@oeheaven Honestly, I've read a Facebook post in their page which they clearly stated that Michael was fired.

[@nikolaslavchev1521]

Everyone is saying it's their fault and this and that but Micheals band Wildheart literally lasted for 5 months. Beautiful Oblivion is the best album the have ever made and it adds a lot of new genres to their mix not just boyband meets metalcore. Stop living in the 2012 metalcore/hardcore scene and accept the fact that they have matured and want to make music they can play till the end of their career. They have a saxophone guy with them on tour now so it's obviously not done to cut paychecks.

[@mehrank6880]

You must be trippin, Beautiful Oblivion is their weakest and worst album. now look at what happend to the band/carter. now the band is destroyed.

[@nikolaslavchev1521]

@@mehrank6880 What does the Tyler situation have to do with the album. The stuff he got kicked out for happened during the first album.

[@mehrank6880]

@@nikolaslavchev1521 i mean the band that had a vocalist that did those things won't go so far. Even with bringing new vocalist to the band. Same thing with the band emarosa. And the way they kicked Michael out was just unacceptable. Look how they talk behind his back in this vid.

[@theflipper404]

In my opinion Michael was useless to the band, he was always my least favorite part. He is even more useless seeing as AJ can scream just as good as him lol. He kinda was just wasting a paycheck. I was thrilled when they kicked him out. He is a cool dude though no doubt, but he honestly was the weakest link of the band.

[@prod.afterglow]

He was crucial to the bands beginnings though and even on the first album. The band wanted to change directions and thats ok

[@theflipper404]

@@prod.afterglow eh, not really, they probably would have been more popular if they cut all screaming a long time ago, screaming is extremely generic in this genre at this point, and it even was generic back then in 2012, when most kids stopped being scene or were starting to stop being scene and either branched off into liking real hardcore music or getting into rap instead lol. rappers make better screaming music than metalcore bands do now a days, which explains why it is not nearly as popular as it was a decade ago. Michael was dead weight, but they cut him off a bit to late in my opinion cause i think issues career is over. Same thing with Dance Gavin Dance, they would probably be bigger if they cut off all the screaming.

[@Ghostlag]

@@theflipper404 get this shit outta here

[@Shrimpslider]

Wayne Barnes No he’s right “screaming” in the beginning was cool but now it is really generic unless you’re doing death metal/deathcore, & a lot of kids who were scene ventured off listening to other styles of music because this genre can be very repetitive, a lot of these bands usually don’t last unless they change it up

[@theflipper404]

@@Shrimpslider thank you man, hardly anyone agrees with me in these comments, but i think the views and record sales speak for themselves. rappers get more famous for making screaming music now than actual bands lol. its because its a bit more fresh/unique screaming on a rap beat than it is for screaming over a breakdown for the past 25 years like they have done in metalcore lol.