This Is Why The 2019 Lexus ES Costs $5,000 More Than A Toyota Avalon

[@C7kizer]

Get the lexus but do the basic services at Toyota dealership to save mad money!

[@john-danielmartin8753]

Or service it yourself

[@MrMustangrick]

Yes !

[@john-danielmartin8753]

@@golferpro1241 just have receipts to show you were servicing the vehicle

[@Spenceycat123]

Yes don’t have a Lexus dealership in my town yet but had a rx350 for 7 years never had to bring it to the Lexus always got it done at Toyota even whenever the sunroof broke on it

[@walidabdulwali420]

I service my lexus in toyota dealer it costs 50% less money

[@Dwizzle2023]

The ES is better looking, but the Avalon is a better value.

[@mikebrandon3100]

The rear of the Avalon is better looking than that of the ES, with its slanted rear lights.

[@campkira]

Yet again most people don't buy both car.

[@Ks_Cs]

campkira People bought a ton of ES lol.

[@ERogers-qn2sm]

Avalon looks better

[@Dwizzle2023]

@@ERogers-qn2sm 5 years later my opinion has change. Avalon all the way

[@fraggo13]

This is an example of where Toyota cars are getting so good they have to intentionally make it ugly to justify buying Lexus.

[@superbros1690]

They have good engineers.

[@TEDdotcom]

Beauty is subjective.

[@blackpassenger]

@@TEDdotcom but lexus IS Toyota.

[@TEDdotcom]

@blackpassenger: it doesn’t matter if they’re from the same company. Its like a big family. Not everyone looks gorgeous. Some look plain, some stand out. You have a choice.

[@GuuiYae]

Toyota Prius! an example of Ugliness ......

[@kennethclark3985]

I have a 2019 Lexus ES with the Premium package. I wanted the F-Sport with a panoramic roof, but unfortunately it is only available on the Ultra Luxury trim which I did not want. My sister has a 2013 Avalon Limited, last generation, which to me, falls between the Camry and the ES when it comes up luxury. Given they have so much in common, you can’t go wrong with either vehicle. There is a clear difference in quality of materials and technology between these vehicles which justifies the 5K difference in price. In my opinion, both cars are worthy contenders, and the better car is the one that best meets the needs and requirements of the customer.

[@burningknuckle26]

both are wonderful cars. i looove the lexus tho

[@1231nlp]

Why am I here? This guy is not Scotty Kilmer.

[@sulemanshaikh1200]

He looks like Scotty Kilmer

[@LarryC213]

​@@sulemanshaikh1200 Quote: "He looks like Scotty Kilmer" Um, no, he doesn't.

[@King-fz8iw]

suleman Shaikh no way

[@kieule2654]

Scotty would explain this vid in less than 5 min.

[@khale7180]

Scotty is so annoying.

[@jjgates6351]

The Avalon is pretty but the ES is just better with the design

[@alpha7ization]

Avalon pretty with that grill ?

[@King-fz8iw]

alpha7ization haha

[@VirtualWonderBoy]

Camry front+ Avalon rear 👌

[@iishyxvietxboyii]

@@VirtualWonderBoy Camry front isn’t that great looking either.

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

@@iishyxvietxboyii How?

[@robertwilliams6218]

I went with the Avalon Hybrid Limited. I got a good discount on a year end 2020 and to get the same equipment on an ES was probably a huge difference. I look at the Avalon as premium where the ES is true lux. If you want value go with the Avalon if you want badge status and true lux get the ES.

[@jmoore4156]

Badge engineering done right, for the most part....although there is room for improvement. A more powerful powertrain and AWD would do the ES wonders!

[@temur72]

@@normt5463 The lacrosse is being discontinued is it not?

[@donaldj.trumpfromthetrench8849]

Awd on the es would make the gs obsolete

[@donaldj.trumpfromthetrench8849]

Norm T yeah it is, where you been?

[@Danny_Ren]

@@normt5463 Buick LaCrosse is discontinued after 2019 model, you won't be able to get a new one next year or two.

[@user-os8sq3uh4n]

How did this thread get so icky

[@gregholman2930]

I prefer the Lexus because of the F-Sport & interior.

[@campkira]

it only 5,000 buck more. but yet again I don't like ES or Avalon. Why would you buy it?

[@r.d.9399]

F Sport is overrated and overpriced on the ES or any other Lexas sedan. F should be left to the RC.

[@rickyj8492]

Synthetic leather last longer and doesnt crack as easily. Much better imo

[@markbell9000]

I got the 2021 Toyota Avalon Hybrid Limited, & I really do L❤VE It! 43/44 Miles Per Gallon, in a 3,600 lbs Full Size Luxury Car! It drives, & rides like a Dream, on a set of McPherson Struts! The Money Savings compared to Lexus was a No Brainer! I have been driving a 2010 Toyota Prius, for almost 10 year, and It's never ever given me a moments trouble in Mechanical issues! I also have an old Reliable 2003 Toyota Tundra, & It's still runs Great with 190K on the odometer! "NOTHING RUNS AS LONG AS A TOYOTA!"

[@brolyv5802]

You get a Lexus. Lower insurance cost (at least in Canada for luxury cars vs Hondas and Toyotas), one more year of warranty, better curb appeal. I bet the lexus is a bit heavier and more refined - safer by a few points. Done; Lexus it is!

[@kellingtonlink956]

Good points. I might also add resale value (for the Lexus).

[@ivanlozano2019]

Why lower cost for a luxury car? Im from the states and generally the more it costs to fix the higher the price to insure it since it is a greater risk?

[@leeklinglesmith3427]

In the US Luxury cars are more expensive to insure

[@iishyxvietxboyii]

ES has no touch screen.

[@Funexpected]

@@iishyxvietxboyii It does for 2022

[@johnbradley2016]

That Avalon looks good. Far from the Grandma Avalon look they had in years past

[@King-fz8iw]

John Bradley not with that grille 😭🤮

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

Lexus 🤍🤍

[@bolarinwaosunsanya3516]

LoL... 😂

[@phillipj9810]

I like the ES, I owned a 2015, and I like the front of the Lexus better. However I drove the Avalon this time and I liked it. It's not quite as refined as the Lexus, which really is to be expected, but it certainly is not that much below the Lexus in ride quality and interior refinement. The "real" difference happens when you go and try to make a deal. The $5K stated in this review quickly becomes closer to $10K when you are sitting in the chair talking money. I like the fact that the rear seats are heated, and fold down. Unavailable in the ES at any trim. To me it just was not worth the difference as the drivetrain is basically the same. I ended up buying the Avalon Limited loaded out the door for $37K, and am very happy with my decision.

[@infidel24]

Both are great cars, I think most people would be happy in either of them honestly.

[@Fee.1]

Gotta love when Car Reviews end by saying “so which one is better, we wasted your time of course, that’s a personal decision, but allow us to state the painfully obvious, if you want to spend less money, buy the cheaper one, if you want to spend more money, the Lexus may be for you” THANK YOU for that ground breaking analysis and UNPARALLELED insight

[@iBike2Live]

I TOTALLY appreciate your biting (and on point) sarcasm. You, sir, rock!

[@tonysterbenc]

What did you expect when you started watching? And would it have persuaded you?

[@Fee.1]

@@iBike2Live thanks man, you rock too, unlike the tool that just replied today 😂

[@Fee.1]

@@tonysterbenc cocaine and hookers usually does the trick for me personally, what about you what persuades you?

[@tonysterbenc]

@@Fee.1 Who wouldn't find those persuasive? :.)

[@jafaarjafaar]

I like the front of the Lexus, and the rear of the Toyota.

[@LiquidSm0ke]

Sheikh same here

[@meenam300zx]

That's exactly what I think of too about my wife and my new girl friend.

[@Soh90]

Both the ES and Avalon are the respective best versions of themself this generation. But I’ve been in both cars and make no mistake, the ES is a far nicer car inside and out. The design is more elegant, the ride more supple, and as nice as the Avalon’s interior is, the ES is still nicer with nicer materials. The ES is in fact so good, it nearly renders the larger LS pointless if it wasn’t for its RWD/AWD architecture and executive rear seat. For $5,000 more, the ES is the way to go.

[@Alx77us]

Useless comment. You rather go for materials and looks more than a better reliable car. Avalon can last way longer than the lexus can hold. You will have more issues with the Lexus than the Avalon ...

[@Soh90]

@@Alx77us Four years ago lol. The ES is the better car. That’s why it’s still around today while the Avalon has been out to rest. Numbers don’t lie mate. Goodnight

[@iBike2Live]

You are TOTALLY correct. I’ve driven thousands of Toyota’s and Lexus vehicles in the last twenty-five years in the industry; they have numerous similarities, but Lexus typically creates a far more refined and upscale ride and uses obviously better materials. It’s extremely noticeable if you drive both brands back to back. I agree!

[@traviscritchley9600]

I own a 2014 Avalon and the windows do the same soft close, nice touch!!!

[@HappyCarReviews]

Somebody told me once... The Lexus is a RICH Man's car, but the AVALON is a WISE MAN's Lexus! 🧐

[@805NAVE]

Happy Car Reviews true.... so is the solara Coupe. It’s a stylish luxurious coupe badged as a Toyota but it’s really as nice as a Lexus. I own a Lexus ES330, and a 2004 Toyota Solara Coupe. Love em both

[@HappyCarReviews]

@@805NAVE Should I we assume you are a rich and wise man? Just kidding, thanks for the feedback😅

[@805NAVE]

@@HappyCarReviews haha I am Wise but not rich, which is why I resort to buying used luxury toyotas and Lexus 😂

[@angelhr79]

That somebody never owned one then, if you have ever owned a luxury vehicle and consider getting anything less, you notice it big time, the overall feel is diminished, the details, etc. I personally could not downgrade anymore and I tried giving some Toyota models a shot after owning a Lexus, just didn't feel right, everything just felt cheap by comparison.

[@NYCBilly]

+Happy Car Reviews have fun at the Toyota dealership. I'll continue to enjoy working with Lexus. I would never let a Toyota dealer touch my Lexus.

[@blakslee720]

I'd pay 5k to not have that Avalon front grille.

[@IAmCjcj11]

Blakslee Woody I’m content with the grill on my 2016 Avalon hybrid limited. I would have gladly gone for the es300h as I definitely like the styling better. but there weren’t any around me, and a Toyota hybrid Powertrain was one of my main requirements lol. However I still look at it and appreciate it every time

[@troytruong8246]

I love the avalon. Built like a tank. Cant kill it. But the front has got to go. They mess up a good car with weird front design. Damn!

[@Champion2Manager]

No you wouldn’t lol

[@raymarcable1292]

Super love that grille

[@luptonpittman6520]

😂

[@banderastube]

Lexus - bulletproof reliability luxurious cars

[@Tain950]

I love the red seats on the Lexus.

[@joecovey2235]

The grill on the Avalon is a no go for me, but freakin’ ugly, the ES has a much nicer front end, plus the nicer interior by far IMO. ES wins this comparison. In my mind it’s worth spending the extra 5K to buy it over the Avalon.

[@MLProductions.1]

@Johnson Long then your just driving a bootlegged car. Plus $ spent on a conversion will be $5k+

[@cheftomsd]

When did steam locomotive cow catchers come back into style?

[@geoffrey2452]

The grill on the Avalon is a horrible styling boondoggle! That spoils the whole package.

[@BigSmartArmed]

Cylons

[@iaj7517]

I think it looks great! Bold, massive, masculine and in your face!

[@BigSmartArmed]

@@iaj7517 "Bold, massive, masculine and in your face!" I'm not an expert, but it sure sounds like you just described a dick.

[@TEDdotcom]

They should refine the grill in the next refresh.

[@butuhkepala9480]

looks better in real life imo

[@ShiftersAndLifters]

The Avalon in person looks much better imo. The rear has a surprisingly aggressive look too. I’d take the Avalon with the TRD appearance package.

[@timtannahill2310]

TRD Avalon 2020 😍

[@BusyB07]

I would like the ES front with the Avalon's rear, they both have a nice nd ugly side

[@Nestle245]

The Avalon looks great, but Uber's are gonna overdose on these making it less appealing to me, I'll pick the ES, better interior, tail lights, and grill.

[@ShiftersAndLifters]

Ness Rosenbrad If I’m pitching out the money for a Lexus. I would not get the ES. I’d be getting a RWD platform. Out of these two I don’t think it’s worth the difference.

[@ONI1013.]

Agreed. And the Limited version looks nicer than the Touring, i.e., the grill is better integrated into the looks and exhausts tips aren’t fake. But I would prefer the ES non F-sport version ultra luxury pkg.

[@edkutzler5258]

I have test driven both the Avalon touring and Limited hybrid and the ES F Sport and Hybrid. All drive really smoothly, handling is good and the hybrid acceleration for everyday driving is responsive on both. The Lexus looks better and interior is just a bit nicer. Lexus infotainment needs some education and experience to operate. Since I think the Avalon grill is going to look pretty dated in 4 or 5 years, for the extra money I would go for the Lexus.

[@JJFLD]

I drove both and the ES makes the Avalon feel cheap and I’m a guy who was already impressed with the Avalon.

[@regsparkes6507]

I just don't think those grille's are as nice as Toyota Design could have made them. I wish they'd all move away from that 'large open fish mouth' design.

[@gregholman2930]

My late father hated big grills!

[@LlyleHunter]

I think that grills are an important part of corporate identity. From the beginning the most obvious thing that distinguishes a Rolls-Royce, Mercedes, Buick, Packard were their grills. By and large the silhouette or profiles of cars change every decade to some extent. Regarding Lexus’ grill, I think of it as a shark nose where they’ve figured out how to integrate the grill into the shape itself instead of the grill underlining a horizonral crossmember functioning as the leading edge. I’m not fond of the Toyota’s two diagonal lines leading to the Toyota emblem in the center. To me it looks like the envelope flap on a lady’s purse with monogram in the center as a magnetic snap like Coach and Louis Vuitton make rendering all Toyota sedans chick mobiles. That’s what they look like to me. Rolling pocketbooks sailing around town.

[@regsparkes6507]

@@LlyleHunter Bruce, you are speaking of a time when I was a lot younger and we used to wait for each spring when the new cars would be out for that year ( not 1 to 2 years hence ) and we'd try the 'oneupmanship' on our buddies to see who could identify the new cars from the old by that omnipresent grille. Then a few of us, a very few , used to top the other guys by identifying the trucks too. You mentioned the Packard and Mercedes Benz , well my dear old father, had a '36 Packard Six, and a '48 Lincoln, then I remember the 1972 MB 220,..ah those were 'real' car's weren't they? In some thing's there are...."the good old days" for sure. Cheers!

[@regsparkes6507]

@@gregholman2930 R.T.P. Mr Holman!

[@ednorton47]

Toyota styling is garish. German styling is more restrained and elegant.

[@nimab8935]

The Lexus looks absolutely gorgeous

[@temur72]

Mike testing body disposal for the mob.

[@Toyota4Life]

The BEST large luxury FWD sedans money can buy. Bravo Toyota and Lexus. I want both the XSE Avalon and F Sport ES. I can’t pick lol. The Avalon does look more aggressive then the ES

[@noobnoobow5525]

Avalon Touring better than XSE

[@westcoastdowny]

Lexus all the way, when you do decide to sell this car. The Lexus will ultimately be worth more, and not to mention all the smaller details that make the Lexus better. Yes they have the same output, but it’s more than just that. Lexus is more stylish and as reliable as the Toyota. Lexus all the way 👍🏻

[@johnfrantz5885]

Joeyabarth17 plus you get all the perks of a Lexus dealer, like complimentary service and loaners and just overall better service

[@PeterXChhanX]

They will overall be worth more but in comparison to the overall resale price vs depreciation you would be looking at the about the same

[@devinscott9694]

In my experience the level of service at the Lexus dealership is second to none.

[@tigerrx7]

Correction sir, those are not diamonds on the grills, they’re Lexus “L”. Lexus over BMW/Merc any day.

[@borninthefla]

The Lexus grill looks better!

[@NYCBilly]

I would pay the extra $5K just to have Lexus dealer support. I only buy Lexus, and dealer support and quality is probably the main reason.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

What is dealer support

[@brianpeterson5890]

I really enjoy your reviews keep up the great work I'd like to see more of these reviews tfcars

[@StarryTemplar]

Driving a 2017 Lexus ES. I love the Wood trim, Wood steering wheel. My Suggestion is that if you want to go for Avalon...better just get used ES. Same price will give you WAY better feel

[@darkscorpion6534]

You lost me at "Front wheels only" Think I'll look into the IS350 instead...

[@noobnoobow5525]

IS too small

[@tonysterbenc]

If room and ride comfort/quietness are lower priorities for you, you should definitely be looking IS instead.

[@JohnSmith-dj5gf]

I have a 2016 Avalon Touring. I love Ava, she’s fast and smooth, always there when I need her. Built for comfort, not for speed, got some weight to her but she knows how to work it. Move too fast and she’ll let you know, but a dream to ride everyday.

[@Frank-James]

Ok.....one question. Does the Lexus maintain the $5K difference in resale? If not, the Avalon would be my choice.

[@JR-jz7mt]

From what I've read and research, yes it does.

[@Jluislive]

Yes. You're right, both grilles are large. Unnecessarily large. They make these otherwise good looking cars look cheap and vulgar. Fake large grilles are awful.

[@saltie.7783]

I Downvote All Ads the Avalon grille looks way bigger. The spindle grille looks smaller

[@Jluislive]

@@saltie.7783 yup, I dislike both. And any other fake stuff on cars.

[@DavidMortaz]

The flimsy giant Grills on most Toyota and Lexus models are UGLY

[@tonyperez-perry1906]

I love my 2019 Avalon Limited. It does have lane keeping assistance and all the other safety features of the ES350. Plus the Avalon actually is a large sedan unlike the Lexus which is classified as a luxury mid-sized sedan.

[@tonyperez-perry1906]

@MELLOW The ES and Limited Avalon have the same engine, transmission, and chassis. It is more than the lane keeping assist even though any tool that adds to safe driving is big in the grand scheme to me! More importantly if am going to spend money on a luxury badge it is going to different enough unlike the ES to justify that even minor price difference. I would not hesitate to buy a LS 500 or an Audi A7. The ES is a Limited Avalon with a Lexus badge, not worth it to me.

[@erickonassis6310]

How is the ride compared to the es

[@bamagurl3242]

I kept my 97 Avalon when I bought my Jaquar, still shooting around in the avalon! Been a great car and might buy another.

[@Vper-tp3gh]

In case some folks don't know,...... The Lexus brand is Toyota's luxury car division. As is Lincoln is Ford's. And Infinity is Nissan's.

[@stephenstadtmiller8149]

Infiniti

[@Dps640]

The Toyota’s grill it’s terrible.

[@Toyota4Life]

Eppesuig dont agree. I saw the XSE Avalon in person and it’s stunning. It looks so aggressive and mean. I agree in pics and videos it looks off but in person it’s 🔥🔥

[@Dps640]

Toyota4Life I’m Italian. I have not seen live then never a Toyota Avalon because in europa it is not exported, however from the photos the anterior grate is too much excessive, in italia we have different tastes, therefore also for this motive that in italia they don't export it because they would not even sell one of it.

[@toranwartoran]

@@Dps640 in middle east they are sold alot because they are good priced and reliable at the end of the day it's a matter of taste in middle east they are not selling alot of alforomeo but in Europe they are selling alot so every car sells more there side of the world mostly.

[@DavidMortaz]

It looks like a dead fish w the Mouth open

[@iaj7517]

I think it looks great! Bold, massive, masculine and in your face!

[@mgmcd1]

I bought the ES hybrid, up from a 2013 Avalon hybrid. The ES has a special sound deadening firewall, and special quite wheels. Thus I can hear the Mark Levinson stereo better. I’m old, did I mention that? 🤓

[@lanerogers7796]

FYI...The Lexus has a 4 year 50k bumper to bumper warranty compared to 3 year 36. Free Lexus Loaners as long as you own it, last but not least, FAR superior paint! Have you ever seen a faded Lexus? My late model Toyota paint is gone while my 2002 Lexus paint still looks new. That is the value if you're cheap like me, looks good longer and quieter drive than the Toyota.

[@StephenGillie]

Thanks for reviewing these. After seeing this, I'll happily stick with my 2019 Camry Hybrid.

[@forc3ofxf3ar51]

Stephen Gillie y would u get a hybrid smh

[@tonyhsieh1375]

Good luck cleaning that grill of the toyota.

[@3iheartbf3]

"diamondy" grill.... LMAO it's the corporate spindle grille that are actually L's....

[@NileshR12]

DatGamerGurl Just like the L's Lexus takes with the customers they Lose out on from their extremely too bold designs 😂😂

[@animerocks2468]

@@NileshR12 Better than having the extremely boring, pedestrian designs you see on the 5 series and e-class that make you think they're worth half of what they actually are...

[@TheShootersBay]

Nice to see a big guy doing these reviews.

[@EC-ol8nz]

The F-sport comes with active strut dampners and active steering rack that tights up steering. Also you get Fsport race seats and quick shifter paddles. I like the softer standard seat's with lumbar support myself. The fit and finish are better. The engine management gears ups the car in sports plus. The Lexus door trims are well made, if you squeeze the door around the window sill you will notice how much cheaper the window sill is. Also, the leather Lexus is so soft and luxurious. The ES interior is based on the LS's dash look. Yes, I do sell Lexus but I went to car show and checked out Avalon. You do save $5k but you get a better, quieter car with the ES! Avalon 4 star, Lexus 5 stars.

[@tknight7]

I really like this video explaining the difference between these 2 cars. Outstanding job.

[@DavidisNice]

Can you tell us what the noise decibel is in both cars! I am wondering if the ES has more sound proofing material put into it to give you a more quite ride?

[@tonysterbenc]

Yes, it does, particularly beneath the floor. And the Luxury and Ultra Luxury trim levels have more soundproofing measures than other ES's.

[@BigSnead76]

You didn't show direct comparisons of the interiors...

[@babeandnewy]

I bought my ES350 brand new in 2007. Still have it - 185,000 miles now and the repairs haven’t been too bad. Going to get another ES350 F sport. Love it!

[@Skippingdude]

Words cannot express how much I HATE the Lexus infotainment system! It's the ONLY reason why I've stayed away from Lexus. Why in the world are they not giving us a touchscreen is beyond me. Not only it's extremely annoying, I honestly think it's a safety issue to try to get this thing to work while driving. Crazy.

[@Funexpected]

Relax, it's touchscreen for 2022

[@mattnorman5241]

Lexus is luxury of course its going to come with a higher tag they gotta compete with the better german cars

[@broncofun5636]

Isn't the ES way quieter on the inside? I wish you did a comparison of the interior sound level.

[@worldview2888]

im a lexus fan and also a very brand sort of person..... but the avalon has my solid salutes for how it is. really wins my choice for avalon instead.

[@jdm1039]

Heated rear seats in Avalon. Not available in the ES.

[@001spring]

As the driver of said car, I couldn't give the furry crack of a rats ass about the backseat.

[@Loachie90]

Jeff Brisson you must be fun at parties

[@louisalonso1695]

Lexus 4 years 50000 miles 3 free oil changes much better customer and service department

[@jdm1039]

@@001spring No friends or family that you care about riding back there or they do and you still care "a furry crack of a rats ass"? Why so defensive? The whole purpose of the video was to compare the difference between the 2 cars that are in the same family. One having heated back seats and the other not is a difference and one the reviewer failed to mention.

[@luptonpittman6520]

Louis Alonso Yeah three free oil changes where they use crappy bulk oil and overfill it. No thanks I’ll still do it myself

[@rondail5675]

I'm a Honda and Chevy guy but I would go for the Avalon. Both are smart to put a 8-speed instead of a CVT!! The Honda Accord falls short compared to these two. And Chevy doesn't have anything with the reliability.

[@gregholman2930]

Give me the Chevy Blazer RS!!! Reliability is over-rated in 2019.

[@dmitryb1286]

Best Buy old engine reliable

[@mybro727]

Ron Dail Excuse me? Chevy’s V6 in the Impala is “unreliable” now?? Lmdao. That’s news to me and the first time I’ve heard that shxt.

[@franklynvilla2614]

I'm a Honda a Jeep guy and Toyota hater i take the Lexus

[@rondail5675]

@@mybro727 , No the Chevy V6 is good but as a whole Toyota and Honda are known to be more reliable. Look I have a 2017 Corvette and am not trashing Chevy's. Have a great day.

[@tropicalstorm339]

The Lexus uses different sheet-metal and has more sound deadening materials that's why is quieter than the Avalon. The ES (all Lexus) also uses Lexus exclusive paint that is more expensive than what they use in a Toyota. The ES also has a brace behind the backseat that makes the car stiffer (not the suspension) than the Avalon but also loses the folding rear seats (most luxury cars don't have folding rear seats).

[@1ShyAzn]

it would be better to compare a es fsport to the avalon trd edition..... to make it even... both sport trims

[@micheleb6525]

Had a Avalon Limited thinking save money. Loved the car but sadly at not even 2 years old / 20k miles the interior roof was falling apart (3 overnight stays at the dealer to finally fix), the motorized sunshade broke and then the sunroof refused to close. Traded it for a Lexus ES and no problems at all.

[@tonysterbenc]

Wow, that's unusual. Sorry to hear that.

[@jamesfish8336]

I think they are both beautiful vehicles.

[@darrenc7490]

My 2013 Avalon Limited does that same trick with the windows slowing down at the top and bottom of the movement.

[@WJF388]

I used to think Lexus is just a Toyota in a tux until I've actually got into a Lexus.

[@mg-lm6tg]

DWS388 is it a lot different than Toyota ?

[@ONI1013.]

8:46 - The Limited trim Avy does have Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist, as well as Auto High Beams, Full Speed Cruise Control, etc. If you’re going to compare full features in the ES, should’ve compared the _Limited_ edition Avalon, not the Touring.

[@boboutelama5748]

In Europe, the Lexus ES is not available, but Toyota has a 2.5 version of the Avalon called the Camry.

[@fahadaljarbua9680]

Camrys are everywhere lol even in the states

[@boboutelama5748]

@@fahadaljarbua9680 Don't laugh, but on our market, he was absent a looooong time. It's actually a pretty new car for us.

[@bobgordon3433]

like that you are local. Noticed it on your map showing 63rd and Lookout. This is a very helpful video, even a few years later.

[@metallic4888]

i was cross shopping a 2020 avalon and a 2017 lexus the other day. something about the avalon just felt more, comfortable, idk. i also wasn’t a huge fan of that infotainment controls in the lexus either. overall i actually preferred the interior feel of the avalon, even though the lexus interior LOOKED nicer, it wasn’t as comfortable.

[@tonysterbenc]

That's because both cars went to a new, upgraded architecture for 2019. You were comparing today's apples to yesterday's oranges.

[@7thheaventruth]

Love it As a professional chauffeur in Miami trunk space is very important to me thank you for that amazing demonstration

[@jimmiemarkum6718]

I bought an Avalon and I really like it!

[@Yonder-Bognie]

I subscribed as soon as I saw you climb inside the trunk. That’s the kind of sacrifice I like to see in auto review videos 😂

[@ricksongraciejjpractitioner]

When buying a car, makes sure he can fit a body in the trunk. I like your style!

[@6806goats1]

Gotta stay with my 2013 Avalon for daily duty, 2014 Lexus LS460L AWD for long drives and to show off what an ass I am. Wanted the LS for decades, Avalon was what I could afford. Found the LS last year with 10074 miles and half price of new. Couldn’t resist.

[@tonysterbenc]

AND you got the LS after they debugged the costly problem with the front steering parts. Well bought.

[@Firebrand599]

Toyota can get away with low price gaps on their luxury cars because of resale value. Try doing that with Ford/Lincoln...

[@ONI1013.]

Actually they can also get away with that bc of the lower cost associated with the shared chassis and platform across their Toyota and Lexus lines. It’s been documented.

[@Triangleremodel]

Which one is quieter on the inside? My older Camry is LOUD inside!

[@IrajMatthee]

Looks like Toyota didn't design a $5000 front bumper to cut cost.

[@richard-mai]

Okay, the Avalon is a full-size car. Is the ES considered a full-size car now too? Does this mean the ES is larger than the Camry? Or is the ES size still compared to the mid-size Camry? So confused.

[@tonysterbenc]

The ES and Avalon are basically the same size, and the Camry is a half size down. The ES has different interior trim that's thicker in some places, which noses its interior cubic footage just below the EPA's "large car" threshold, and the Avalon's is just over it. But as a practical matter, they're the same size interior.

[@Aroundtheworld1019]

How can you do this video without measuring interior sound/wind noise????

[@forc3ofxf3ar51]

Samantha Lee the Lexus wins.

[@michaelgrant5258]

Probably not to show how close the Avalon measures to the ES.

[@Joyos77]

Honestly, you're probably the best car viewer on KZbin.

[@s4nder86]

Try savagegeese.

[@deepee1544]

No Android Auto and no AWD on either = FAIL

[@robertwilliams5015]

That alone would prevent me from buying either.

[@MandusahRamirez]

Grow up and get an IPhone!

[@TheShootersBay]

@@MandusahRamirez iPhone are for pimple popping teens!!

[@stashouse617]

Darren Prest Es will never be all wheel drive and Toyota sedans are not all wheel drive yet Nissan starting to do it . And I believe the new Prius is all wheel so Toyota making that push

[@MrPooh18]

Whats messed up is the cheaper avalon comes with laminated side glass standard on all trims. To get it on the ES you must get the luxury or UL trims. Base trim doesnt have it.

[@tonysterbenc]

That and the availability of heated rear seats only on Avalon were weird disparities between the two. I'm pretty sure the teams that developed the two were quite independent from each other. I'd guess Avalon got those features to separate it from Camry, and ES left them off to hold the price down to the same neighborhood as the previous ES.

[@kevinbarry71]

Two choices? You guys ever heard of the LS or the GS?

[@gregholman2930]

The GS is no longer available, sorry!

[@kevinbarry71]

Greg Holman and the LS?

[@JokerG16]

Greg Holman it’s discontinued?!?! No way

[@themagicalaries]

two choices at that price point. The LS goes for $80K-$100K

[@kevinbarry71]

Anthony Colbert he said nothing about price, just that there two choices.

[@stevennevins6643]

The real-world price differential is a whole lot more than the title states. Checked True Car. Avalon’s are being discounted nearly $5K. The ES is discounted about $1K

[@travelseatsyellowlab]

From what I've read, the all-new Avalon isn't selling. I hope it won't be discontinued.

[@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947]

It actually is, believe it or not. Better than ever before.

[@travelseatsyellowlab]

@@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947 Nissan's flagship Maxima has been in freefall in terms of sales; the new generation Avalon is selling less than half of what the Maxima is. I love the Avalon, think it's beautiful and is a great value over the Lexus ES, it's better optioned than the Camry. However, the reality is that if this car doesn't move off dealer lots, it will go the way of the Cressida.

[@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947]

@@travelseatsyellowlab Let's hope not. Especially considering how much of a joke of a car the Maxima is..

[@travelseatsyellowlab]

@@thecriticalthinkeroutsidet4947 Toyota's Avalon is the only competitive sedan in that segment, I completely agree. Perhaps Toyota should communicate with their core Avalon buyers to encourage them to make a new purchase, then extend to the new demographic they're targeting in order to slow flagging sales. Otherwise they may have to rush a refresh of the front end in order to keep traditional Avalon buyers out of other large cars and crossover vehicles. Honda had a similar problem a few years ago with the Civic, which resulted in a short generation because the company couldn't afford to continue a slipping sales trend.

[@GoofieNewfie]

they just need to change the front bumper on the Avalon, then it'll sell. It lacks AWD but it has everything else going for it.

[@richb2229]

I went with the Avalon touring. It’s a great car for the daily commute or a long trip. Lots of comfort and safety with fair power.

[@gregcondon4059]

No power folding mirrors.

[@Funexpected]

@@gregcondon4059 but folding rear seats, which the ES doesn't have.

[@duvieff]

Soft closing windows is not only on the Lexus it even on the old Avalon

[@errickkitchin36]

I work for Toyota and it's getting more common. The Avalon, Highlander, Lexus ES, amd Lexus RX all have it. Im sure there are more, but that's all that comes through the distribution center that I work at that have it.

[@cjboytellem]

Is the Lexus seats also Cabernet red or is it brighter

[@Ghost-my1tr]

Personally, I'd go for the Lexus. However, Toyota dropped the ball on this. Only FWD is a huge flaw, power to match an Avalon is another flaw, and the no available touch screen is another flaw. Personally, for the F sport, a tuned V6 pushing close to 380-400 hp with RWD standard and AWD as an option would make more sense, since it is an F Sport. Also, make it a touch screen. Easier to use.

[@terbennett]

An F Sport and an F are not the same. F Sport is a cosmetic trim package mostly, like the TRD Avalon. In my opinion, the Lexus customer support alone makes it worth the money.

[@tonysterbenc]

I agree 100% about the touch screen. I'm posting this 4 years later, so whatever on me. But if you're still paying attention, they did add a touchscreen in '22.

[@alanhumphrey4198]

I like the little mechanical screen controller in my ES 2017 rather than the touch pad they started using in 2019 ES.

[@wsc31]

The choice between the Avalon and the ES350 depends on whether you want a car with a front end that looks like the megamouth shark look of the Toyota or the Predator look of the Lexus.

[@LlyleHunter]

I think that the Lexus has a variation on a shark nose where the Toyota looks like a lady’s purse with a monogrammed buckle.

[@wsc31]

@@LlyleHunter I don't think anyone will ever accuse either one of being boring, ugly maybe, but not very attractive

[@shawnsloan89]

Is it true the Lexus is designed to be quieter? I believe Lexus adds materials that provides noise reduction inside the cabin. Very curious here as I'm looking at both cars now.

[@michaelgrant5258]

Well they use the same acoustic windshield & front side windows( Avalon equipped on all trims, ES is Premium & above). They bolt have laser welded frames & fluid engine mounts. Only real difference without tearing the car apart would be the noise reducing wheels & non fold-able rear seat on the ES to reduce road noise. I'd like to test the two to see how far they truly are apart.

[@shawnsloan89]

@@michaelgrant5258 thank you!

[@tonysterbenc]

@@michaelgrant5258 This answer unfortunately was not entirely accurate. The floorpan of the ES is more extensively insulated, covering 93% of the underbody. The ES has extra structural bracing in front across the shock towers as well as the brace behind the rear seat, reducing chassis flex and vibration. In addition, the Luxury and Ultra Luxury include Yamaha Performance Dampers at the front and back of the chassis to absorb subtle low-frequency resonances for a calmer ride, as well as the aforementioned wheels with noise reduction chambers built into them.

[@ro0ster648]

Actual purchase price would be over $10k difference, u ain't getting $6-7k off msrp on a 2019 ES like u can on the 2019 Avalon.

[@johnfrantz5885]

Ro0ster true

[@jinchen5161]

I got mine already with low ball number lol since beginning of 2018 September when it just released inside dealer haha

[@johnfrantz5885]

Jin Chen congrats bro that’s sweet

[@campkira]

Yet again most people don't buy both car.

[@kannermw]

Bought a 2021 Avalon Touring with Advance Safety package for under $38K. You are correct you can't touch a comparable Lexus for less than $10K more. Items included in Touring are à la carte on Lexus ES350 F-Sport including premium sound, headlights, HUD, and adaptive suspension. Most reviewers fail to point this out when comparing the two. 6X fewer Lexus dealers and cars to choose from and less negotiating power. No thanks, I could buy new Avalon or other vehicle in 5 years and get the latest and greatest for 20% less price.

[@robmorton4250]

To me, I really don’t like the look of full size sedans, so both seem pretty blah outside just because of the overall silhouette... but that interior In the Lexus looks loads better than the Avalon, and having been in some newer lexus’ vs Toyota’s, I can tell you the tactile feel of everything is worth the step up

[@stevennevins6643]

The GS IS A 3rd choice;

[@richardnemeth5911]

So what does one do if they want android auto but want the Lexus ES? Is there no way around this?