This is Why Your Sheet AP Doesn't Matter in PvE (mostly) ♦ Black Desert Online ♦ BDO

[@Valkirth]

as a newer player to BDO, Much appreciate taking the time to make the video, will help alot going forward.

[@Azimota]

Thanks for the video. On garmoth left side of screen you have "compare" and you can actualy see/show the diference in stats of both build

[@nhifuu]

Nice video, past 265+ ap it is hardly a noticeable difference nowadays. Even having crit rate artifacts for PvP is a big thing, since most forget PvE skills crit more naturally from passives.

[@cody6385]

Just started playing BDO again and this will be extremely helpful! If only I could borrow your knowledge for a month haha! Thanks for the help!

[@Josh-99]

Good video. Short and to the point.

[@xpatches13]

I finally understand how to compute AP. Now I need a video for how much accuracy lol

[@sirvere4840]

ive been saying since the day they dropped blackstar gear that it was the way to go, more ap all round plus more monster ap.

[@Sannidor]

With add-ons buff and class balance almost done, what do you think happens to PvE meta and specific spot optimization? Will it be even more class dependent (also including Marni zone density and respawn factor)? Will bypassing damage cap remain necessary?

[@NotTheWorstt]

- What happens to the PvE Meta? It changes - Will it be more class dependent? I wouldn't say more class dependent, but different classes/specs are going to perform better/worse at different zones. The reasoning for the buffs was to help mitigate the output differences (trash loot) from class to class, but there will always be outliers. - Will bypassing damage cap remain necessary? Not sure I understand the question. More AP is always going to yield better results than less AP with the exception of elvia zones that have 5% caps. If you meant using species damage over standard AP once you reach an AP cap for a zone, nothing has changed in that regard.

[@Sannidor]

@@NotTheWorstt Yes, I meant species damage. It probably won't happen by PA hand but would you consider tweaking damage caps as another balance factor or is it better to just move everything around this constant?

[@NotTheWorstt]

I think it's fine the way it is but would appreciate transparency on PA's part. If feels really weird to look at the map, see a spot says "recommended 300ap", and know that number is completely arbitrary. Having to go to a 3rd party resource (garmoth is amazing) to understand what stats are actually required for the zone leaves something left to be desired. I can understand the angle of them wanting us to figure it out for ourselves, but personally I think that era passed when we received the "My Stats" sheet in game.

[@jesselee2792]

@@NotTheWorsttyou should tell J that the give us damage numbers era has arrived

[@Ginger2Rocker]

so where does skill damage come into play? since all these recent pve buffs are all to skill damage

[@andhikaprasetya1260]

Thanks man ❤

[@legatobluzummer]

My question is, you dont/can't add human/demihuman/kama damage to your total+monster ap to hit the ap requirement of each zone? Say my total ap is 651, my extra ap against monsters is 216. I can't add my 58 extra damage to demihumans to the other 2 to be fine in city of the dead/tungrad ruins?

[@Loopylobster.]

Yes, unless those monsters are classified as demi human, your extra Demi human damage will have no effect

[@jesselee2792]

No, it does not. Big and Shiny’s pve damage explains how it works. Basically it’s your total ap + your monster ap vs dp of the monsters. Species damage is not included in that main calculation. There are three damage formula the game uses if I remember correctly. The first is if your total ap + monster ap is less than the total dp of the mob, all your ap and monster ap and the species ap only apply 5% of their values. So if you have 100 ap and that loses, all your attacks do 5 ap times the skill %. Second formula is when you surpass that dp of the monster. All your ap over the monster dp does 100% of its value until it hits a soft cap then anything above that is only 70% of your ap. - dp debuffs works to lower that gap. So they are stronger than + monster ap addons. - dp always apply 100% value of the amount they reduce. But any monster ap buff over the soft cap only applies 70%. An example of this is when you applied a 20 monster ap addon it would only give you 14 applied ap vs a -15 dp addon. T3 addons still would only give you 21 applied ap. Now the reason why he mentioned giants was because Elvia soft caps only apply 5% damage. That’s why he said once you hit the cap swap to human ap. The way species damage work is they roll a separate formula. Species damage always roll between 70% to 100% of their value when ap is beats the dp. This bypasses the Elvia 5% softcap rule and the 70% softcap.

[@TinyTein]

Oh and I forgot that like pvping u can have same gs but if a player is not good pvpin and someone who new that learn and got good no matter how long u play someone out there will better

[@TinyTein]

Hey buddy I grind at tree to level 66

[@MsGhoulz]

Hate how these zones are forcing AP monkey crystal setups. Almost no room for customization.

[@anon3118]

Just get pen debos!

[@google1chrome702]

@@anon3118 Yeahj. like it s easy to get one. Do u have one urself?

[@wonder_9]

To be fair they are meant to be high ap cap zones.... it's by design so that they require high gear to do and also leave room for improvement as power creep continues over time

[@As1anotora]

​@google1chrome702 that was the joke that went over your head lol, it was clearly sarcasm

[@molango4555]

@@As1anotorait’s clear, he doesn’t have pen debos lolol

[@chottomatekudasai-kun3887]

Wait, species damage doesn't count towards caps? 😮 I thought they do.

[@NotTheWorstt]

It doesn’t. Species damage is calculated differently and is unaffected by AP limits (both the threshold and the cap)

[@pahalasyurgabarokah]

​@@NotTheWorsttdoes the rule also apply to demihuman, human and kamasylvian? Are they enable to bypass mobs ap cap?

[@methioswar2916]

One of the reasons i stopped playing is that GS matters shit. Solare is capped, NW is capped, Grinding is capped. Openworld pvp is being limited more and more. There is nothing for me to work towards. Grinding out another 150 bil for that next upgrade that does nothing? No ty.

[@Flanktank2]

All I got from this video was PA needs to release fallen god weapons soon, those c20 players are hurtin bad 🤣

[@NotTheWorstt]

That and they should remove the "recommended AP" icons from the map. Super misleading the way it is now.

[@ajaminoobboley7336]

Good Content

[@gsb9083]

so thats why i cant kill tungrads at 323k need blackstars..

[@ItsSwitchXD]

Either that or your not doing the mechanic right

[@IllTygerKing]

If you have 323K with c20 dandy/kzarka, then yea, the lack of monster damage hurts.

[@consis]

very helpful

[@Baraxal1]

For the most part sheet ap matters but crystals are 50% of dmg or defense now days, obviously comparing pvp optimization weapons vs blackstars is gonna turn out differently, especially when the kzarka dande build is so badly made its laughable, good points though, most people are stupid and dont understand importance of buffs and swaps for certain zones.

[@TaizacTV]

When Sheet AP stops to matter?

[@IllTygerKing]

Once you drop boss weapons and use tet blackstar instead. He explains that in the video.

[@bajanDrunkard]

😎

[@alexdarkstar2017]

Repeat that to someone with 323/325 ap (full pen BS) with devo set and compare trash loot/hour xD

[@thebomber7641]

We wont get away from pinus measurments. People are just way too dumb... and we do love at least one pinus each )

[@JackJackoff88]

idk why am i watching this,i already quit the game lol. Have fun to those still playing !

[@sdbash5612]

lol dude make it fair and use same light stones and artifacts and same Crystals as first example then compare.

[@NotTheWorstt]

It wasn't about making it "fair". The whole point of the video is to explain why your sheet AP number doesn't matter when determining if you can grind somewhere (for the most part), and therefore I used very extreme examples to demonstrate it.

[@sdbash5612]

6:44 u said they can’t ever grind tungrad without 3x pen bs. They’ll prob hit 948 AP which is really close with Addons and self AP buff. My point is there’s ppl still using Zarka and dande I think tell them they can grind 99% of areas in the game would make them happy and that they don’t need to spend 450 billion silver on 3x pen bs. Love you nottheworst ❤

[@NotTheWorstt]

I appreciate the feedback here, but I think you just misunderstood the point of the video and took it as an attack on kzarka/dande. What I said at 6:44 "will never be grinding tungrad ruins on 305 without blackstars", referring to the gearset on the screen when I make that statement (not sure why you provide the timestamp and then literally misquote me). This is 100% true. If you optimize the artis/lighstones/crystals, that gearset hits 921AP after add ons are applied (DK has no self AP buff as I mentioned). The example used would need at least 2x blackstars to pull off tungrad ruins. To note, even if it did hit 948AP (it doesn't) you still can't grind tungrad ruins without 951. The damage at 950 and below is severely penalized and you end up wasting your time trying to grind there, so it isn't really a spot where getting close to the number will work. Buuuut like I said, the point of the video wasn't Kzarka vs. Blackstar. It was talking about how discussing only sheet AP in PvE context lacks a lot of critical information for your ability to grind specific zones.

[@sdbash5612]

@@NotTheWorstt I just put on those crystals and lightstone set on ur succ got 896 AP + 30 from addons = 926 AP. With a tet bs awakening you would be 911+30 addons=941 AP 😂, other classes with a tet bs awak And a self AP buff could do it. I didn’t know that spot punishes you if you’re below the cap? But I think many ppl still grind there without hitting the cap? Or naw?

[@vintz5617]

@@NotTheWorstt i think better interpretation would be the recommended AP/DP by PA is not accurate if you just blindly push the sheet AP/DP to meet requirement. You need alot of hidden stats from lightstones, crystals, weapon, armor and accessory hidden stats to meet the hidden AP/DP requirement. Hence why the video shows reaching the recommended stats without having all other aspect optimized is not enough at this point of the game (end game spots). That is what my understanding of the video at least.