This isn't what you think it is! Satoru vs Kwain vs Xantcha vs Gavi EDH / CMDR game play

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[@mrhotsauce3612]

Je suis pas mal nouveau sur la chaine mais en me basant sur ton anglais j’aurais jamais cru que vous parliez francais(quoique les noms ont aidé ma déduction un peu haha) c’est vraiment cool tes vidéos Ca permet de voir plein de nouveau commander pour quelqu’un qui commence comme moi

[@Lykrast]

4:38 Grim Hireling is one trigger per player ("Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player"), so should have made 6 treasures instead of 2.

[@jaka1748]

Was just about to say

[@sunutopia]

Fixed at 4:56

[@Lykrast]

@@sunutopia Oh yeah didn't catch that!

[@poiri]

5:53 I believe this was not a legal play since a counterspell cannot target itself so the only legal target would be the swansong

[@hugokapon4166]

Since the counterspell was already om the stack, misdirection could target it. Normally counterspells can't select themselves because when they select a target they aren't on the stack yet and aren't a viable target, but you can redirect a counterspell onto itself.

[@poiri]

@@hugokapon4166 just checked the rulings to make sure and that is incorrect, spells cannot target themself as a rule. This is also spelt out in the gatherer rulings for redirect.

[@nikos731]

I think you can change the target of the counterspell into Misdirection itself though, thus winning the counter war....

[@jundsheep7599]

@@nikos731 In most cases yes, but misstep specifically says to target a spell of cmc 1.

[@poiri]

@@nikos731 issue with that is that the redirected spell was a mental misstep so it can only target spells with a MV of 1 and you need to pick a legal new target.

[@admanios]

The Hellkite's activation would have destroyed the Oubliette too. I dunno if that would have mattered, since the game was tilting in your favour anyway, but still.

[@kavenleclaire1946]

7:55 two trigger from the Painful Quandary have been ignore. One for maxime and one for Andrew

[@JustinBach1337]

I really hope you get that Xantcha list, it looks really damn cool!!

[@Marie-zg7lw]

posted!

[@quinoacowboy]

Marie, if you read these comments: I LOVE YOUR CHOICE OF MATCHING BASICS, THANK YOU.

[@quinoacowboy]

oof, I saw 1 mismatched Swamp there at the end. now I'm torn.

[@ChaosLordx8]

Very nice game! Minor misplay, 5:53 You can't use misdirection to make a counterspell target itself as per 115.5: A spell or ability on the stack is an illegal target for itself.

[@charlesfloyd4270]

Was scrolling to see if anyone had pointed this out yet.

[@dustyfox6511]

Redirecting Mental Misstep to target itself is a misplay. By rule 114.5: A spell or ability on the stack is an illegal target for itself. As such a counterspell can never be made it's own target. Redirecting requires the new target to be a legal one for the spell upon the resolution of the redirect, which the counterspell is not.

[@Cybererrol]

So happy to see this, just built my Gavi Cycling deck

[@connortillman7129]

Tip from another gavi player. Run astral slide, astral drift, crystalline resonance, and escape protocol. Trust me. These are amazing

[@Cybererrol]

@@connortillman7129 Haven't Played them yet, but the are in the deck. So, So, so happy to see them recommended, I also recommend them to others as well!!

[@pauldyson8098]

I too had a Gavi deck and I too took it apart, for reasons similar to the ones you've voiced in your videos, Andrew. I've been playing Satsuki as a less powerful enchantress deck. Sythis is a lot of fun but I tend to (rightly, usually) get targeted; Satsuki is weird and durdley and lets you take lots of game actions but it's a lot less powerful. Satsuki reminds me of Gavi in that it feels good to do lots of cool little things, but I think that Satsuki is more fun to play. Though the deck basically builds itself, because of all the crazy saga abilities, every game is different.

[@maxbodifee3263]

Thanks for all the extra cards Joel, you can go now 😆

[@philllllllll]

I am never truly gone!

[@samtricks1966]

Lol

[@jeffnorris211]

I’m pretty sure on player removal with xantcha in play the rule and replacement effect is that it goes to its owner’s board.

[@DarkEinherjar]

No, Xantcha gets exiled, because she entered the battlefield already under Maxime's control. If it enters under a player's control and the opponent steals it, then it goes back to the previous controller. If it was cast by that opponent or entered the battlefield already under their control, then it gets exiled.

[@josephbroomhead7404]

@@DarkEinherjar to clarify, in 2019 Xantcha received an updated Oracle text which changed its wording to “Xantcha, Sleeper Agent enters the battlefield under the control of an opponent of your choice.”, so it exiles instead of returning to its owner

[@serbanpop3269]

Notion Thief doesn’t work on Jeska’s Will, since will doesn’t draw, it exiles the cards.

[@rampagingraptor]

The card draw wasn't from Jeska's Will as it only produced mana. The Card draw was taken from Xantcha's activated ability.

[@Foofoothegoon]

7:20 - Looks like Maxime put a bunch of counters on Ominous Seas from the Day's Undoing? But the ability to put those counters on would have been exiled from the Day's Undoing ending the turn.

[@thetriplesword523]

Doesn’t control of xantcha revert to the owner if the controller loses? I saw they threw it back into the command zone

[@Lorry_Draws]

Yeah I was going to say that too

[@MrDegan2]

as someone who plays Xantcha, is both funny and bizarre to me how much some people act like getting given a free 5/5 is the worst thing that ever happened to them. I'm not asking them to thank me, but to at least not bitch and moan that I've handed them a free creature

[@Googleflax]

Neither Joel nor Maxime paid the Painful Quandary cost at 7:48 when they cast Swords and Neutralize.

[@isileeamaryllis]

On Marie's Second to last turn she could have played Xantcha, which may have won her the game. Between Crypt Ghast, Urborg, and Cabal Coffers my count puts her at 29 mana (and 3 more come her next turn), meaning given no other plays she could have drained Andrew out before he could kill her, and she would draw numerous cards in the process

[@combosarefun4449]

at 4:38 you should've had created 6 treasures since you damaged three opponents with one or more creatures.

[@FrostbiteKelvin]

My thoughts exactly

[@carlosespada6350]

Crew the copter with a pig. Love it

[@DarkEinherjar]

I like how Joel was so close to death that you didn't even count Xantcha's commander damage on him. 🤣

[@jajahatman8842]

9:24 wow, ballsy play right there

[@frankpocean]

How can you tap Urborg for B? It doesn’t produce mana?? It makes every land a swamp in addition to their other types. Just curious in case I’ve been wasting free mana for all these years

[@MultrakSin]

Hey Andrew, would you go to Trois-Rivières one day or Québec, I would love to play with you !! :)

[@6LordMortus9]

Love Marie's playmat!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Huh... Andrew, you can't make a counterspell target itself, so that Misdirection play doesn't work. Misdirection could be used to change the counterspell target to Misdirection itself, but since Mental Misstep can only target 1 value spells, you can't use it in this situation. You could've used it to redirect Recurring Insight to someone with a smaller hand, though.

[@MTGMuddstah]

For some reason I thought you could since it was on the stack already. I think I was confusing it with another interaction.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@MTGMuddstah Is this your first time using a target-changing spell to fizzle a counterspell? The trick is that you have to change the counterspell's target to the spell that you're casting. It resolves and then the counterspell fizzles because its new target is gone.

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@DarkEinherjar I'm not much a of a blue player.

[@haranzabal360]

Can you share your decklist for Satoru ?

[@budimon3]

Yes that would be great

[@smack80]

mental misstep cannt be redirected to target itself. Spells can't target themselves and redirect must choose a legal target to redirect to. Just think about Arcane Denial: if it counters itself do you draw? Comprehensive rule 114.5

[@thelunchlady8276]

Poor bunny, didn't even get to hop very much.

[@03thinking]

Kwain's opening hand has such a cedh vibe

[@philllllllll]

I usually construct my decks with a specific idea, theme or goal in mind and then do everything i can to make it work as well as possible. For this one it was to play a trickster style of control deck with spell-stealing sounterspells and ways of transforming my opponents threats into funny creatures like pigs, cows, etc. While playing one of my favourite strategies, Polymorph. Transforming Kwain into Jin-Gitaxias. Built my deck to do that as reliably as possible while sticking to the theme. I only get to play Magic 3-4 hours per week, so I want to make sure my decks do what they were built to as often as possible and have fun doing it.

[@03thinking]

@@philllllllllhey there, Joel! I loved reading this! Marie's opening jeweled lotus and grim tutor gave the same cedh vibe to be fair. And the most fair part is to point out that I had so much fun watching this match! I really didn't expect it would end the way it has finished. Your deck made me wonder if it's time for me to have my first azorius deck. I get few hours to have some weekly magic moments as well, so, sorry if it seemed like I was shaming you, haha, if everyone is enjoying the match everything is fine. Now, I'm going to look up what card transforms into cows, and I loved how you transformed the ape into a boar 🐗 Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts about your deck.

[@RappingRain]

Kwain player got seriously bullied out of that game.

[@milobrody5941]

What's the satoru dexk list

[@budimon3]

Can you please share the Satoru deck list?

[@ubiratamsouza7837]

o ponto de vida tirado no sacrificio da arid mesa foi tirada da Marie

[@willzang3000]

Would love to hear these with y’all’s banter tho

[@MTGMuddstah]

I've been releasing Studio Slams with just that on Friday's! These last two weeks have been absent from them due my vacation.

[@willzang3000]

@@MTGMuddstah bless bless bless

[@kingfuzzy2]

Thank goodness it isn't what I think it is.

[@bigbrowncow7570]

is that the rare mona lisa lol love dragon shield they are the best

[@swaglord4758]

Can u rly change the target from mental missstep to itself? I would have never guessed that

[@philllllllll]

No, but you can change the target to misdirection.

[@SirForcEdge]

I haven't even watched the whole video yet, but there was no reason to play that turn 1 mox opal. That's just begging for a Nature's claim

[@Polemion]

Gavi decklist?

[@philllllllll]

Hello everyone! I'm Joel and I played the Kwain deck. If you have any comments or questions let me know! I love interacting with you all. Unfortunately you haven't seen my deck in it's *-compleat-* full glory.

[@darksteelmenace595]

Is your deck a control deck or did you draw weird?

[@philllllllll]

@@darksteelmenace595 both. KZbin won't let me post a link to my deck list in the comments but the main goal of the deck is to polymorph Kwain into Jin-Gitaxias. (the art for polymorph is a bunny growing claws as it transforms into something else. And the shape of those claws matches Jin-Gitaxias! Thematic win!) Overall the strategy is to play a Rule of Law type of effect to limit my opponents despite making them draw so many cards so I can keep control over the game and eventually win through Approach. The deck is designed to be a bit of a trickster archetype with all the Counterspells that allow me to steal the spells as well as any sort of polymorph effect. Pongify, Swan Song, Curse of the Swine, Transmogrifying Wand, etc. Unfortunately it drew weird the entire game and the few plays I did to try and fix that were stopped.

[@darksteelmenace595]

@@philllllllll Sounds pretty cool, I also have a surprise polymorph deck, tho I went all in on the polymorph idea.

[@AidanWR]

3:05 You had Marie lose a life instead of Maxime

[@superwill1238]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE, How did Marie have metalcraft for the T1 Xantcha?

[@MTGMuddstah]

The Mox wasn't tapped, just Jewel + land

[@Mailit1987]

The Mona Lisa sleeves can't be a coincidence given what happened today...right?^^

[@philllllllll]

This was filmed over a month ago.

[@dfetzer707]

Notion thief doesn’t stop Jeskas will

[@nelsonmarques6732]

Great game!!!!

[@kylekennedy722]

you can only activate steel hellkites ability once per turn, at the end you dumped your mana to use the ability a bunch in one turn near the end.

[@Darchias]

He used the other ability, the +1/+0 one.

[@scaevola]

Damn, you really got targeted with all that removal early on and still made it, huh?

[@palm0607]

so messed up that joel helped yall draw those cards and yall take him out lol......

[@philllllllll]

Right?! I'm just a friendly little Kwain deck with absolutely no *-compleat-* surprise in there.

[@phgtxxx5028]

Makes me sad to see approach used so irresponsibly. 😭

[@philllllllll]

I forgot about the Tainted Remedy when I cast it. But unfortunately I wasn't drawing into what I needed this game and was on survival mode most of the time.

[@phgtxxx5028]

@@philllllllll I'm still proud of you for using it, it's the best wincon in my heart

[@Lolasageowl]

You cant make a spell target itself.

[@johnnywhite8877]

Steel hellkite should have wiped all of Marie’s permanents off the board when you activated it not that it would have changed much lol

[@TBeanAndTheSundanceQ]

Steel Hellkite's ability only destroys permanent with the paid CMC, which was 3. Both the permanents that were 3 CMC were destroyed.

[@stevenjones4953]

First?

[@claudioferro2151]

😮😮😅😮😅😅