This jet fighter is a disaster, but Congress keeps buying it

[@The-Master-Chief]

Yea this did not age well lol, the F-35A is known as quite literally the safest military service fighter aircraft per amount of flight hours as well as being the most produced stealth fighter ever allowing it to use its stealth hive mind technology to it’s advantage along with the plan for pacific defence.

[@marrqi7wini54]

And before anyone says anything, it's usually the B and C versions that have issues. And even then, compared to other previous programs, they don't crash that much.

[@NotNicot]

This jet is so amazing it can do multiple things -attack aircraft -attack ground units -and even destroy defense budgets!!

[@VP-fx3nf]

It destroyed defense budgets using stealth!! The future!!

[@gigapak28]

It’s pumping money into the economy what else does America need a defence budget for?

[@michaeltalbot8242]

And industries in others too

[@VP-fx3nf]

@@michaeltalbot8242 for now but not many countries are buying the plane man

[@dumdumbinks274]

@@VP-fx3nf There are just as many countries buying the F-35 as there were buying the F-16 in the 1980s.

[@Rali272]

Amazon would have delivered the F-35 in 2 days free shipping.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

The Amazon F-35 would be made in China

[@Rali272]

schrodingers cat amazon has an incredible warranty policy. Even if made in China just know you covered.

[@MikeBrown-ex9nh]

Just to be stolen by a porch pirate.

[@lmao.3661]

@@FakeSchrodingersCat j-31

[@jackssrv]

@@Rali272 warranty reimbursement means little to a dead pilot

[@spitfire2539]

This video is not aging well, the f35 proved itself and now every ally wants to get f35. It's literally the best fighter jet ever made, with unmatched electronic warfare capabilities china couldn't even think about.

[@frostedhams]

Exactly. People were talking down before the f35 even got a chance to do anything.

[@goaty1208]

"The F35 is bad, we shouldn't buy it!" - Someone who is definitely not part of a Chinese psyop

[@tirthmusale6687]

True lol this vid didn’t age well at all

[@ohmydog9171]

facts

[@mordkopotam]

He protecc He atacc But most importantly He eat budget for a snacc

[@jrfirefiher]

smart lol

[@last5902]

😂 genius

[@thefatjapanesepufferfish1906]

Nice

[@cubitsinformatica7544]

hahahahahaha

[@joshuahardee8837]

This is perfect.

[@Joshua.Mascarenhas]

First time Vox is agreeing with President Trump's comment

[@blumac9801]

Dhanushka Jayasinghe I wish he was a good person...

[@murdzstang2777]

First time Trump was right

[@joshuadxlee]

@@sassyshootajohn finally somebody with sense

[@lefteristerezakis9304]

@@sassyshootajohn although i despise obama , people call trump racist because of the things he says and the Rhetoric he is using. Calling mexicans rapists murderers( and i guees some of them good people..) having truble properly denounce white supremistists, having racist backround in his bussiness, and the list goes on

[@lefteristerezakis9304]

@@sassyshootajohn and at the end of the day i dont really think people care if he actually is a racist, the problem is that he is giving a platform to racists and he is anebling their actions.

[@danny9154]

You forgot to talk about the brib.....ehm "lobbying" the defense contractors give

[@tomatoisasquishyfruit]

In US, Lobbying is just a fancy name for corruption. Usually in other countries, people go to jail for that.

[@viktor-dy9tr]

Also, no word about the death these machines bring to the world

[@riemjann1]

Lobbying is actually important for a democracy so that corporations and other associations have a say in politics as well. But not to the extent it has grown to in the US; they just have way too much say in US legislation.

[@juicyclaws]

if vox mentioned lobbying or the moral issues of producing weapons half the comments would be about how left wing biased they are.

[@0ki7o]

quite the opposite

[@justanotherasian4395]

Jobs? Acquired. Budget? Destroyed. Plane? Delayed. Hotel? Trivago.

[@kayruwijaya3901]

Spanish inquisition

[@last5902]

British empire

[@brotschander]

United States

[@rahuldutt3846]

Food sushi

[@Asteroid_Jam]

Eisenhower is probably rolling in his grave saying I told you so.

[@Dave-ui6xn]

Yes, I mean as soon as this thing is combat ready we start selling it to other countries. LOL

[@kmc.727]

The military industrial complex.. He warned us all.

[@fortherepublic1263]

I was just thinking that, my friend!

[@nyvdrtngryd]

𝑅𝒪𝐿𝐿𝐼𝒩𝒢 𝐼𝒩 𝒯𝐻𝐸 𝒢𝑅𝒜𝒜𝒱𝒱𝐸𝐸𝐸𝐸𝐸𝐸!!

[@cr4yv3n]

Roll him in copper wiring = free energy

[@abrahamlincoln5185]

American people: Can we please have free ambulance rides. Government: no here's an inefficient fighter jet

[@acowfrommars3565]

Now give me half your yearly income to fix your broken arm

[@recruit8921]

@@acowfrommars3565 having a heart attack here in the usa can cost you 100k.

[@yesnoyeswait4306]

Michael Moore had excellent point. If people would see in pay check how much of taxes are used in military budget, maybe people would actually wake up. In France people can actually see procents, ''Health care x%, education x%'' etc. You guys in US deserve same education and health care, that we do. Too bad that your country is only ran by money and overgroven power.

[@sheatay2003]

The jet is remarkable in design and amazing do some research.

[@yesnoyeswait4306]

@@sheatay2003 Yes, very remarkable. Whole project will cost 20-50 billion dollars, and if you pay taxes, you too are paying for that. And this is nothing new. B2 bomber project cost +40 billion, and only 23 were ever built. 2-3 billion per one stealth bomber, if you think thats money well spent, you are out of your mind.

[@somewherenorthofstarbase7056]

Can u imagine if we put 7 trillion over 16 years into space exploration? There would be bases on Mars now!

[@yfelwulf]

Wrong there would be an atmosphere and swimming pools

[@miner966]

yfelwulf Bruh there’s be a whole civilization and new world.

[@pilot88pro]

you all are wrong. There wouldn't be an America as surely someone would take us over with 0 military....

[@seankilburn7200]

Sort life out here before we flee the planet.

[@pathfinderLXXIV]

and only rich people would be allowed to go there... even though we paid for it all.

[@bluestorm9977]

1,000 F-35s in production as of January 2024. *THIS VIDEO AGED LIKE MILK!* 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@somethingsomething-us3uy]

It was worth it

[@eihcra_]

It is the best fighter jet ever made. It's only "bad" because of costs and delays, many countries are ordering it because it is so good.

[@diogoalmeidavisuals]

Looks like someone wants to save money for his wall!

[@simeondunev4890]

wall would cost like 13 bil maximum .. this project has cost trilions so far. His wall is a drop in the bucket compared to this and many more dissaster projects biased media wont tell you about

[@KiingOfKombat]

it hasnt cost trillion or trillions as you say, its exected to cost a trillion over its entire life time up until 2070.

[@linusmlgtips2123]

Diogo Almeida We have spent 1.5 trillion on the F35 over its entire lifetime

[@ZanOGAL]

i personally think trumps' grandfather made the great wall of china...u know the similiarities are uncanny

[@afocus]

this man was obviously joking. Now hes getting flamed

[@ragglefraggle9111]

Ah yes, a Fighter Jet so bad that 14 countries are buying it with more attempting to

[@wuwangjingunderground4001]

Nato country pressured to buy american to keep up with americans, not allowed to make their own.

[@curious5887]

You called it bad because your warmind is still stuck in the 70s, while F-35 is for warfare where dogfight no longer a thing, and also where drone, laser and beyond visual range hypersonic missile are a thing, it's time for you to stop reading mainstream media with negative opinion on it, and started reading Ground News, plus, watch LazerPig video about F-35

[@g2gridiqarri561]

This Video has aged so well! 😂😂

[@neutralprofit7699]

Scam

[@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you]

Vox: "Why F-35 jet is a disaster?" F-35B: "You were saying?"

[@Crimsonking741]

5 years later, and this did not age well.

[@dxwkx9119]

Even said the B variant can take off vertically

[@steephanroy8461]

This aged like wine.. can't even replace f 16

[@dxwkx9119]

@@steephanroy8461 Why's that?

[@joshiderniemalslacht8398]

​@@steephanroy8461 It was never supposed to fully take over the role of the F-16. The F-16 will probably stay in use to perform tasks for which the F-35 is simply overkill. The F-35 is probably going to be used for stealth missions. Something the F-16 would not be capable of due to its rather big radar cross section.

[@steephanroy8461]

@@joshiderniemalslacht8398 this stealth technology is several decades old. Even the yogoslavs shot down one.. they are perfectly detectable with long wavelength radars.. f 35 . It's truly a design to be a cash cow for lockheed that is its one and only purpose and is doing it splendedly.

[@zerod3618]

7 years later and there's 1000 F-35s as of january 2024, even more as we are in 2025 and with more incoming from various buyers. It's been proven in combat by Israel at this point and it somehow manages to cost less per unit than most European made jets. This didn't age well

[@apsodifugyht3]

So much for Eisenhower warning against the military industrial complex.

[@cameronsipka3352]

apsodifugyht3 he shouldn't have done so much to put us on that track XD

[@dylanadams6533]

He warned against it-after he oversaw its growth.

[@TrackHeadStudios]

+Endo Pyro he didn't 'oversee' its growth. It grew under his nose and got to Big before he realized it was there. It is a living breathing entity.

[@krombopulos_michael]

apsodifugyht3 well if we all listened then he wouldn't have been right!

[@phuturephunk]

Aye. There was another general that predicted a long time ago that eventually we'd get to the point where we'd be spending like a trillion dollars on one vehicle. Guess that prediction came true. I wish I could find the quote but it was really good. It laid out how it gets to this point with how the defense manufacturing industry is structured.

[@diceman3219]

this didn't aged well

[@jaspercaelan4998]

Not really, it's not economical to operate. Better off investing in UCAVs now. Planes with pilots in are the past.

[@bluestorm9977]

@@jaspercaelan4998 Nothing's better than being in the plane itself and getting a feel for every movement you make. Being completely aware of your surroundings when in an air battle is also a plus.

[@jaspercaelan4998]

@@bluestorm9977 UAV's are cheaper, instead of having all the necessary weight and equipment to support a pilot it can carry more weapons and other things, make much higher G maneuvers, fly in swarms, be more stealthy etc..

[@mlcs]

​@@jaspercaelan4998an F-35 costs per hour the same as an F-16 would

[@jaspercaelan4998]

@@mlcs It isn't, it's nearly double.

[@srjp9441]

The United Corporations of America.

[@abeninan4017]

AKA swamp,now they have full control of the government.

[@namesurname-1488]

Literally every country in the world

[@yeetjones927]

@@namesurname-1488 what about 3rd world countries?

[@zidorovichburblyatya2862]

@@namesurname-1488 Uhmmm Russia and China don't have 35 trillion dollars blackhole in accounting regarding total military spending tho.

[@namesurname-1488]

@@zidorovichburblyatya2862 So what? They have problems even worse

[@warman58]

It may be an awful plane I don’t know. But I once saw a 60 minutes story decades ago telling us how awful the Abrams tank was. I’ve also see a life magazine article from the late thirties telling how the M1 Garand was a disaster and would get our soldiers killed. Some things you just can’t trust.

[@donut5818]

The main reason why I am upset about the F-35 is that they are trying to make a single base airframe do too much. The USAF actually tried to unify all of the military's needs into a single airframe before with the F-111 program but it failed.

[@Swat_Dennis]

warman58 The M1 Garand is an awful rifle… Look at the SVT-40 and you know enough

[@benjamincharlin6770]

Look at the movie pentagon war, It's a movie That talk about the designing processus of the Bradley, it also refers the flaw of the early M16 an M35

[@lamduong5701]

I want to know which documentary you saw about the Abrams. It's one of the most combat-proven armor vehicles out there.

[@warman58]

@@lamduong5701 as I said, it was a sixty minutes episode. Very old as the tank was new at the time.

[@selmanyassin]

Vox: The F-35 is far more advanced than anything Russia or China have. Also Vox: Will it fly?

[@randomname5083]

I'd disagree with that statement looking at the Su-57

[@virajchoudhary6761]

Heard that America wants newly designed 4.5 gen fighter jet,they also want a full stop to this f 35 program,Is this true?

[@dwshade9479]

@@virajchoudhary6761 Right now the F-15 is getting either a 4.5 or 5th gen dedicated replacement, the F-15EX. The F-16 is also rumored to have been getting its own dedicated replacement. Many people want the F35 canceled or massively scaled back as the benefits for it are undercut with it not fully replacing the craft it could (F-15 and 16), and how our allies will be the ones to see the greatest use and benefit from it rather than us, when America is the one footing the 1.5 trillion dollar bill. I'd argue that the F35 is perfectly capable, it's just not being used even close to the fullest due to the litany of failures it had during R&D, and it isn't replacing the aircraft it was supposed to.

[@virajchoudhary6761]

@@dwshade9479 Advantages & Disadvantages are two faces of a coin so it should not be an Issue for the 35.But If air Marshal is saying something than it should not be taken for granted.5th gen 6th gen it sounds cool but We should remember that cool things have high maintenance 😅. According to me No one can rule out the importance of a 4.5 gen jet Nd that's what Air Marshal said in his statement By the way being an Indian I was happy that America is thinking of opting a 4.5 gen jet because Our TEJAS jet has multiple variants in production so I am happy that we r in the LEAGUE😅

[@jeevanjacob4102]

Its a play on words, it's a saying meaning will it work/succeed. They're not literally asking if it will fly.

[@83n.70]

This video has quite a negative view on the f-35, while it is more expensive than predicted, and there are cost overruns. The jet is one of the best ever built and does the job it was designed to do quite well. Especially considering that it was designed to replace many different types of fighters, which was once thought to be impossible. And the stealth aspect should not be underestimated because without stealth the fighters like the f16 are pretty much useless against an enemy like Russia or china who have advanced air defense systems.

[@youtubevideoswatching3866]

Well I mean we should focus on NGAD since it’s already in production

[@tylergarrett4498]

@@youtubevideoswatching3866 the NGAD has a different purpose than the F-35. The NGAD is a proposed interceptor which will only do *light* intercept missions and maybe even lighter strike missions. The NGAD is also going to be see massive benefits from all of the lessons learned in the F-35 (which has an amazing exercise record already). It's also important to consider that the F-35 is going to be in service for atleast 50 years, all costs included in the first purchase. (Hangars, training, parts, upgrade budgets).

[@terrestrialextra4790]

We are focusing on both. Why don't people understand this? Cancelling The F-35 wouldn't help the NGAD at all. We would just have a SERIOUS gap in between F-16 retirements and whatever program comes next which would likely cost just as much and takes a decade to develop before production even starts. The cost of the F-35 has been overblown. People quote the entire lifetime cost of 40+ years and don't realize that whatever comes next will be the same. The only pricey aspect besides the development overruns which are done and done(cancelling makes this a waste of money) is the maintenance cost. 80 million a for a 5th generation is cheaper than most 4+ generation jets. Quoted coat for the F-15 for instance ignores all the extra parts it needs for modern combat like eternal sensors etc which makes it more.

[@staidenofanarchy]

No plane is worth $1.3 trillion. We're using jets that cost hundreds of millions, and missiles than cost tens of millions, to blow up families and weddings in deserts halfway across the world. Cut the defense budget.

[@youtubevideoswatching3866]

@@tylergarrett4498 yeah, but the NGAD is almost ready, so the majority should go for that. Besides, other nations are buying the f35, and we already have a significant albeit small number of them

[@Gyyghhhhjjjkk]

“Its a disaster” And nobody mentioned how tomcat nearly destroyed the defense budget singlehanded. Just look at its price lol

[@viperz3r016]

The F35 is a bargain to the F14, if the Tomcat was to be built again.

[@wrotenwasp]

Hard to believe it was almost 60 years ago that Ike warned us the about the military industrial complex.

[@fullboostturbo1]

@@StruggleGun Oh how the Truth becomes annoying, when nothing is done to remedy the cause of the problem.

[@bobgreene2892]

wrotenwasp said, "Hard to believe it was almost 60 years ago that Ike warned us the about the military industrial complex." --------------------- And the arms industry patronage and corruption in congress was almost out of control, even then.

[@ArturoSubutex]

I might be wrong but I think FDR did that first in the 30s

[@NSGrendel]

@@ArturoSubutex kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqlf6CbmLunmrc

[@darthvader5300]

$1 trillion? The actual cost is between $6 to $7 trillion! Talk about subtle censorship down playing everything! That $6 to $7 trillion 90% could have been used to revamp the VA and put a heavy emphasis on ACCOUNTABILITY ON EVERYONE WORKING IN THE VA DEPARTMENT and giving veterans and current soldiers complete freedom and flexibility to choose their own physicians and caretakers and quality of medical care, instead of neglecting them and DELIBERATELY DELAYING THEIR CARE SO THAT THEY CAN DIE FROM A LACK OF MEDICAL CARE AND COVER IT UP AS A NATURAL DEATH WHEN IN FACT THEY, THE VA PERSONEL ARE THE MASS KILLERS AND MASS MURDERERS OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORMS JUST SO THAT THEY CAN MONEY AND LET CONGRESS POCKET THE DIFFERENCE FOR THEIR RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGNS FUNDING PROGRAMS, etc! And the remaining 10% used to develop and upgrade any time-tested and time-proven and battle-tested LEAN AND MEAN DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE weapons systems.

[@jmbig]

the F35 is the stealthiest aircraft in the world ... because it is well hidden in the back of the maintenance workshop

[@wheywhou5031]

Wasn’t there even some incident where German radars detected the F-35 (was during a flight show tho)

[@danielhope8577]

@@wheywhou5031 all aircraft get detected at some point. Stealth just limits how close it can get before its detected. F35 and F22 gets detected at about 30 to 20 miles. Other fighters get detected wayyy earlier than that

[@hx20games77]

F22 is better but F35 has vtol and navy

[@kabali0079]

F 117? What about that?

[@shiraz1736]

What a Lemon

[@Veldtian1]

The F 35 Boondoggle, a fighter plane so deadly it's able to destroy entire national defense budgets single-handedly!

[@SgtJoeSmith]

Veldtian1 good one!

[@DehnusNorder]

LOL! Next thing you know Trump will threaten to sell one to North Korea ;).

[@pasoundman]

LMAO. It'll be fixed some day. It won't be a great plane though.

[@joniartha9777]

DehnusNorder yeah and make good fortune lol

[@DehnusNorder]

Nobody makes a fortune of that piece of junk.

[@attilaontheworld2793]

Who is here after Economics Explained's video? ✋

[@DeepSingh-yg7ic]

Yeah me too .

[@broken_abi6973]

@@Brent-ln9bc The claim by vox is not that the f-35 project is the only military project with cost overruns and delays.

[@thedirty530]

And the money involved in our politics keeps making more and more sense...

[@fmtoussant]

economics explained is a simp stop wasting ur time there

[@somethingelse9228]

@@fmtoussant Do you know of any other economics channel then?

[@damesurina2629]

Basically, politics makes everything cancerous, even engineering

[@grasonicus]

That's because politicians are mostly from the arts and humanities and have to take off their shoes and socks to work with numbers greater than ten. At heart, they're confidence tricksters. All they have to be able to do is work the voting cattle come election time.

[@alexbeerune]

Chris Malan well tell me a world without politicians

[@grasonicus]

@@alexbeerune We can but dream. In the Bible, on the New Earth, there won't be any politicians. Guess where they will be?

[@jay-t1030]

Dame Surina money in politics*

[@pasqualeredo]

True... That's why engineers don't get involved with, or in the politics that infest engineering projects in companies whether the company or project in question is defense related or not. THAT'S the role of the "Project Manager", and supposedly spawned the birth of the Dilbert principle whereby incompetence is promoted... UP and out of the way allowing the real talent to effectively do it's job!🛸

[@NotOurRemedy]

The jet is actually proving to be a step above anything out there. It’s probably the most unstoppable plane ever made.

[@JacobBite]

can you imagine if the british aerospace industry wasn't destroyed after the cold war?

[@krankysfirebrand485]

Of course it is. Newer and more expensive aircraft means better. It could be done with literally any other concept aircraft

[@judejohnson6336]

The Su-57 doesn't exist I guess

[@agzuhdhdandicycidjs3230]

The US has enough weapons to destroy humanity 10 times over. Do they really need a fancy plane?

[@MiguelMitchelMichiel]

@@agzuhdhdandicycidjs3230 in what way would they destroy humanity 10 times over? Are you referrinh to nukes, or overall military might besides nukes?

[@gino14]

Lockheed Martin offered the X35 Boeing offered a bathtub

[@daiminnathan5989]

Reginald Uy neither were pretty but the Boeing was a real stinker

[@theswagman1263]

@@daiminnathan5989 it looked like it was gonna eat someone lol

[@chimergo6501]

Hey but atleast Boeing build plane who can laugh ...

[@Floydpink68]

Yeah... Boeing's had a distinct double chin - major jowls 😂

[@TheSpeep]

Neither of them looks anywhere near as nice as the Su-57 the Russians are working on, but yes, unlike Boeing's plane this one still looks pretty slick.

[@hoot1141]

It’s funny, I’m watching this in 2022 and the F35 is the future. It’s performing well and kills anything in the sky.

[@ragglefraggle9111]

Yeah, every major fighter jet has a ton of issues at launch. The F-16 was initially seen as a disaster and now it's regarded as one of the best jets ever made (for the time).

[@hoot1141]

@@ragglefraggle9111 That is so true. Fighters are at the top of the list for critics in the government and the media every time we T&E a new one.

[@adrianshephard224]

Kills anything in the sky? Go ask Syrians, I heard they damaged one by an very old Soviet built S200 system. Israelis are denying this saying that the F35 in question was not damaged by the S200 missile but by the flock of seagulls that went after F35 on purpose to destroy it to the point where it needed to be scrapped. Supposedly one seagull took a giant dump in F35 engine compartment and the blades of turbo-jet just got stuck. I don't believe Syrians but I do believe Israelis. F35 needs to erase all the seagulls of this planet. PERIOD.

[@rayquaza1245]

Almost like the people designing it are some of the smartest in the world, while vox wouldn't even be able to recognize an f35 if you showed them a picture

[@Trex2009x]

@@ragglefraggle9111 That's the thing about military vehicles, at the beggining they are regarded as failures like the Abrams and F-35 and now the Abrams MBT is one of the strongest tanks ever meanwhile F-35 IS the future of Air combat

[@Isomoar]

The military industrial complex needs to become the space industrial complex!

[@vg789-d9b]

Looplix why? can't we focus in earth right now.

[@Cythil]

You be surprised how much of the Space industry is actually focused on earth. Happens that Earth is situated in space. ;)

[@n0yn0y]

That would be great. It would be more productive to amass an advanced space fleet that is dedicated to exploration, rather than to amass a fleet of fighter jets for a war that will never happen.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Looplix This

[@TheMongooseOfDoom]

Having worked in the space industrial complex, I can say that no, it has the same issues. The space industrial complex needs to either become an open market, or a government project. Right now it's a vehicle for companies to extort as much money out of the government as possible by doing as little exploration as possible.

[@deqnq1705]

this aged terribly

[@-p2349]

*horrifically

[@jenniferdingus5309]

How

[@flowerdoyle3749]

Not mentioned is that most of the companies discussed in this video pay zero federal taxes and generous state tax breaks...............

[@yetifacekilah8885]

How dare they create so many jobs.............

[@flowerdoyle3749]

@@yetifacekilah8885....you do realize who pays the taxes to keep the infrastructure viable so the business can flourish...right? You do realize they are also a government provider so those taxes basically pay for many of those jobs. You do realize how likely they are to get even more government contracts and goodies now that Pat Shanahan...ex Boeing CEO is the Secretary of Defense. Numerous small businesses that Boeing has outsourced much of their work to are creating jobs and paying taxes. Why are companies making billions in profit exempt from taxes while a companies making a million are not?

[@Transfixed]

@@yetifacekilah8885 The government likes to brag about creating jobs, but how many businesses would want to bloat their largest expense (personnel)? Don't be fooled.

[@bruhmoment7546]

> "Don't be fooled" Jesus christ i fell like this is some anti vax mom. And no, often personeel isn't the highest expense, and even if it is it's just 90% billion dollar CEO bonuses.

[@Transfixed]

@@bruhmoment7546 Ok business expert. Ask any economist then.

[@SomeonessChannel]

This video didn’t age well. Extremely costly? Yes. But oh boy what a superior technological masterpiece the F-35 is. Above anything else that currently exists.

[@TheEmreErgul]

I think StarshipSN15 is above F-35. F-35 is not a good investment for anything. High cost to maintain (hardware gets old). High cost to use ($36k per hour). In war, it's not affordable to lose ($100m). While you can do the same job with a $5m drone without risking your pilot.

[@SomeonessChannel]

@@TheEmreErgul Starship SN15? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[@TheEmreErgul]

@@SomeonessChannel Sorry I should have been more clear. What I was trying to say f-35 is not superior to many things technological-wise. It's not above anything else. It's above other aircraft. Not in all aspects ofc but in most of them.

[@SomeonessChannel]

@@TheEmreErgul That's the point of the F-35. Being superior to any other aircraft, not to be the most superior piece of technology humanity has ever built.

[@logicplague]

Most Vox videos don't.

[@igisanchez265]

Next video from Vox: Why cancelling the F-35, which we labeled as a disaster, will be a disaster.

[@petitio_principii]

Or maybe a video on how long it will take for its development costs to be finally covered.

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@petitio_principii not very long.

[@zacharycornejo2106]

And we can't even buy and produce ventilators...

[@peterson7082]

We can produce them, just currently not at the scale needed. And there is an abundance of ventilators, just few qualified to meet the needs of hospitals.

[@jasonperdue2554]

We already produced all we need, more even. Like anything paid for, they take time to build, assemble, ship and use

[@thrall9498]

TheFlying Templar im glad there are educated people on the subject. Sad that some people jump straight to conclusions and assume it’s someone’s fault. Please do your research people!!

[@kiraasuka9943]

@@thrall9498 educated folks are gone. Look at our future leader like NYC progressive dem AOC: shooting and violence in our community is up in the past 2 weeks I think is poor people need some bread to feed their kids.

[@knightrider693]

This comment didn't age well

[@doodelay]

These are the types of highly explanatory videos that I love most about Vox and keeps me subbed. Thank you and please create more

[@jacoblemieux3791]

doodelay Yup this is what I like. Not their stupid liberal propaganda.

[@doodelay]

One Minute History​​ I do like the idea quite a lot. But after watching a few of your videos I think that 1 minute history is in fact, too short. Perhaps 5 minute history would best serve your viewers? After all people who like history do not have tiny attention spans, even minute physics no longer makes 1 minute videos. I did sub though, keep it up and please do not limit yourself to 1 literal minute

[@young7931]

I hate vox due to them spewing liberal crap and femenist bs

[@webhobo7786]

doodelay I agree!

[@Flightman453]

Stop crying. If it's Trump is "propaganda". If it's Hillary it's "biased". Pick one idiot.

[@OmarDelawar]

Trump about the F-35: “It is invisible, you cannot see it” Lockheed: “To radar...invisible to radar!”

[@kroelld]

@Nick Milligan 😉 We have more than that.

[@logicplague]

Both are wrong.

[@FGCVidz]

What if that was a classified capability that he wasn’t supposed to leak? Lol

[@logicplague]

@@FGCVidz Then the laws of physics decided to take some time off.

[@aussiejezza]

and here I was hoping for a surprise invisibility cloak

[@pixelariumoriginal3529]

Engineers: F35 has many design flaws... Government: Yes Engineers: So what are we supposed to do? Government: Yes... ...

[@aussiejezza]

Government: Send em anyway!

[@generictag1050]

continually upgrade them like we do with 4th gen fighters, do you think f15s, f16s, f18s, f14s, had no flaws from the start? also, the f14 program was way worse than the f35 in terms of cost, which is why it was retired in the 2000s while the rest of the 4th gen fighters are still here.

[@johncampbell3356]

There is where our universal health care and low cost tuition went.

[@johncampbell3356]

@@user-zd9fc4vs4q don't want to be in debt to the government the rest of my life

[@demanischaffer]

If you want free healthcare, why don't you ask your state legislature to do so?

[@johncampbell3356]

@@demanischaffer they are too busy giving isreal 3.8 billion dollars a year so they can have Medicare for all. Our government works for AIPAC, not us

[@demanischaffer]

@@johncampbell3356 Your state legislature is giving money to Israel? Sounds highly unlikely

[@johncampbell3356]

@@demanischaffer no, that would be the federal government.

[@Esoteric.i9]

Well this video didn't age well.

[@hellgates_javed6451]

How?

[@Cav-z1y]

@@hellgates_javed6451It's less than $100 million each and USA, UK and Isreal have proven its worth in combat

[@manipulatortrash]

@@Cav-z1y say what you will about israel, but im pretty sure they've proven the f-35 works.

[@calcrappie8507]

The F-35 is selling so good the price is down to 78 million USD for the popular F-35A variant. By all measures, this program is becoming wildly successful.

[@noedels2119]

@FEDSJ ye but fighters like the f16 had over a 1000 flaws in the beginning but now it is the most successful jet fighter in the world

[@gilberttrois8492]

They just wanted to surpass the French goat Rafale at 77million

[@docinabox258]

@FEDSJ its is still the best jet though

[@macvos]

@@noedels2119 how dare you be so factual and realistic! Big projects becoming successful after working out the initial kinks aren't useful to make fun of, especially by uninformed people with zero understanding of big complex development projects.

[@michaelalvarez8112]

Idk if your bashing it or not. But the price dropping for fighter planes is actually a good thing. It means it’s getting streamlined and easier to produce

[@stayfrosty6290]

Harrier Jump Jet: (exists) F-35: "Give me a few decades and I'll one up you."

[@donut5818]

While the F-35B is an improvement, better fighters could’ve been built if the work was split between 3 separate designs and not just one.

[@patthonsirilim5739]

@@donut5818 true a truck will never be able to handle like a sports car and vice versa a specific design for specific role will always outperform an equipment that is design to do multiple task

[@demanischaffer]

@@donut5818 however each of the variants were built from the ground up to meet the requirements of each service, the A,B, and C are internally very different

[@TheRogueX]

@@demanischaffer It would have been cheaper to design three different planes.

[@demanischaffer]

@@TheRogueX So it would've been cheaper to design 3 totally separate 5th generation planes then to design 3 very similar 5th geniration planes that have some of the same parts and a lot of cousin parts? So where are you getting your assessment from?

[@Toppler-E]

The F-35 has quickly become a very serviceable and respectable plane by the way; for anyone wondering in 2022 who doesn't know much about dogfighting

[@petitio_principii]

Not really "quickly," but finally. What are the estimates regarding when it would pay for its development costs, interest included?

[@Toppler-E]

@@petitio_principii I think the cost of the development, no matter how high or low, would be irrelevant to the actual capabilities of the plane. To answer your question though, in a very long time

[@ABC-48483]

Me and my ex would meet up if we were drunk.. we use to call our drunk s*x dogfighting

[@logicplague]

Like most Vox videos, this aged like milk.

[@fishbarbeque8540]

Hahahahah!!!

[@Racko.]

What did you expect? It'a Vox, they hardly know what they're talking about, as long as it's negative attempts to make stuff look bad

[@jesuszamora6949]

This is why Vice is cratering. They started out awesome, then turned into Buzzfeed.

[@Orion.401]

This aged terribly 😅

[@halseyactual1732]

Heh, this jet is extremely capable and I could go into detail why. The F-35 isn't a bad jet at all, but the main issue here lies in procurement. The key now lies in cutting the JSF's cost whilst still maintaining the quality of the aircraft. The Pentagon has plenty of wasteful, redundant practices which've yet to be abolished. The JSF procurement program is one from which lessons must be learnt so that contractors will no longer be able to hold the DOD budget hostage and that future contractors work out fixed price agreements with the DOD and bear the burden of cost overruns completely or mostly on their own. The Pentagon's issues include but aren't limited to: #1: The Regulatory Burden #2: Barriers to Full and Fair Competition #3: Antiquated Sustainment Processes and Procedures #4: Inefficient Supply Chain Management #5: Poor Cost Data and Incomplete Cost Analyses #6: Limited Long-term Acquisition and Funding Strategies On November 8 2013, the Lexington Institute sponsored a non-partisan forum on Capitol Hill to address ways of reducing the Pentagon’s overhead costs. There was general agreement by nearly a dozen speakers that cutting reporting requirements, audits, contracting paperwork, data calls, and some testing requirements could save tens of billions of dollars annually. Though IMO, audits are necessary to ensure transparency and accountability, taxpayers have a right to know where their defense dollars are going. Shocking how this video doesn't cover these vital facts. Why the F-35 is important: _The technologies in the F-22, and the F-35, provide situational awareness of a conflict that is unparalleled in modern war, and lethal tools that enable both aircraft and capabilities in other domains to perform at a higher level. Fifth generation assets employed by joint forces give the US “the asymmetric advantage we need to win our nation’s wars,” Carlisle added._ _Despite their capability, at present fifth generation aircraft comprise a fraction of the current combat air forces. The average age of a current USAF airframe is 27 years, and rising. Modernizing fighter and bomber forces with sufficient numbers of fifth generation aircraft is critical for continued combat relevance, especially in light of three important trends:_ • _Modern Integrated Air Defense Systems (IADS) have created regions where fourth generation aircraft cannot effectively penetrate and hope to survive._ • _Threat aircraft, air-to-air missiles (AAMs), electronic attack (EA), and electronic protection systems have advanced beyond the capabilities of US fourth generation fighters._ _•Fifth generation aircraft provide a wider variety of wartime options in many scenarios, preserve US technological advantage over near-peer threats, and serve as force multipliers by increasing the situational awareness and combat effectiveness of legacy aircraft._ -_Fifth Generation Air Combat: Maintaining the Joint Force Advantage By Maj Gen Jeff Harrigian and Col Max Marosko, USAF_ TLDR: The jet has excellent combat capability. The F-35 is a capable aircraft but the procurement is disastrous and wasteful. _Vox_ has demonstrated 0 knowledge of kinematic and non-kinematic military requirements and responses and the Pentagon procurement process. And to end it off with a Trump like one worded sarcasm: *Sad!*

[@zulukobra233]

Informative comment, I still have a question regarding the F-35 though. A friend of mine in the U.S. was saying about how they might replace the A-10 with the Lightning, but it seems like an unwise decision to do. I'm curious about whether they will replace the aircraft that does its role so well. *Sigh* It had pretty nice run, though, the Warthog. I'm sure it won't be forgotten by those who flew it.

[@54356776]

The Fake SecDef Interesting read. My navy needs this plane ( Royal Navy) , otherwise we have no fixed wing aircraft as our new carriers are built around it (bad move). Should've just kept the Harriers.

[@halseyactual1732]

+Zulu Kobra By all accounts the F-35 is very CAS capable. Superior situational awareness, greater range, longer loiter times, more armament, can feed precise coordinates to MLRSs and Excalibur 155mm SPGs. The A-10 has a good targeting pod but that has a verry narrow FOV, making wide array terrain and enemy identification impossible. There's no real argument as to why the A-10 is superior to the F-35 at CAS. You can just ask me if you need specifics. +Andrew Fishburn Yes, the Royal Navy does need this plane. But keeping your Harriers would be unwise. Simply too antiquated, unsuitable for the 21st century threat environment. All I can say is that your navy needs F-35s on time, they only have a handful at the moment, they need the full force and the full force *NOW*. Lockheed Martin is obliged to deliver, I hope the JSF sees no more delays, but ugh, that sounds unlikely.

[@titsonafish1008]

One of the things I found troubling about the video is that it didn't mention that the F-35's flyaway cost when it reaches FRIP will be roughly $83 million for the CTOL model, which isn't that much more than a Super Hornet. The LRIP costs are already cheaper than the EF2000 with far superior capabilities.

[@jimbo2335]

How funny and suspicious, this is it, the plane that all of departments in our government say is a fiasco, Israel want them all, there is something fishy about this, Israel, who have one of the best weaponry, the blind, deaf and dumb American tax payers can gift them for free and nothing,, want all this bad quality planes, something is going on, maybe, the Zionist who control all the branches of our government, order them to say just that the plane sucks, so they will get them almost for free or not cost, because they are unfit to do their job. The evil Zionism at one more of its best deceptions to the American blind sheep. Peace.

[@bryanrussell6679]

This aged well, pfffffftt.

[@calebanderson8764]

Well this aged like milk…

[@seankilburn7200]

Indeed

[@a330-neo8]

0:07 I don’t think this is an F-35

[@stefanohasello8921]

I love your work Vox, but on this occasion it really didn't age very well at all

[@metalyuncle]

What happened?

[@andrerobertson3151]

@@metalyuncle The f-35 is a great plane

[@metalyuncle]

@@andrerobertson3151 okay, but it’s still going to be used to bomb civilians.

[@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you]

@@metalyuncle What happened? Do some research about F-35B and see it yourself.

[@Vageta1999]

@@metalyuncle what’s that have to do with the video?

[@beernd4822]

Remember what all the experts said about the F16 back in the late 1970 tees? "They have the wrong plane"

[@UGOArctic]

@@More_Row i googled this for you. Google can help you find what your looking for. Remember to click on the link in order to read it. www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21587/1977-when-the-f-16-was-americas-problem-child/

[@mrfish9876]

Nineteen seventy tees? You only need an s on the end of the number, not a space then 'tees'. Interesting comment though, very relevant.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

+Pierce Ryan You are aware that your link confirms that everything in the F35 program is like the F16 problems but *_on steroids_* ? It's a similar process but on a MUCH larger scale. And other than after four decades of successful F16 service it is far from secure that the F35 problems even CAN be completely eliminated. And finally the F16 only was supposed to fill one niche, the F35 is supposed to replace half a dozen different models of fighter craft in the Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy arsenals, there are no fallbacks to take up the slack should they not be able to deliver once they're on the roster that's it. It may turn out in 10 years that it was (mostly) resolvable, it may lead to an even more expensive emergency replacement program throwing good money after bad expenses. Only time can tell. It's much too soon to defend the program as undeservedly maligned just because on paper it looks kind of like a repeat of the F16... even more so as these problems, specifically the cost overruns have become a trend with growing consequences for the programs involved. And other than the Army with its dozens of tank or artillery projects that could be given up, the Air Force is always fighting ticking clocks as air frames only have a limited time of usage (while e.g. a tank chassis can be upgraded relatively easy, e.g. by bolting on suplementary armor or something like the Anti-RPG cages on the Strykers, bringing a jet fighter over its maximum number of flight hours requries almost a complete structural rebuild... costing about as much as a new plane anyways)

[@331SVTCobra]

I followed the F16 program from the yf-16 days. Nobody ever said it was "the wrong plane". Ever. The C5, F15, B1, and B17 were all hated on for being "the wrong plane"... and the complainers were proven profoundly wrong. But nobody ever disparaged the F16.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

@@331SVTCobra Erm, the F-16 had massive crash rates and was referred to as the "lawn dart".

[@fallits]

The price of this aircraft has decreased a lot; this video aged like milk

[@yondie491]

It's almost like there are complications with bleeding-edge technology. The list of things that have been incredible for the military, like the Abrams, Apache, Osprey, and so much more, that went thru similar teething issues is a long list.

[@annoymouse890]

Apache isnt bleeding edge

[@staz3014]

​@@annoymouse890Well of course, it was made in the 80s. It was bleeding edge for the 80s. Same for the Abrams back when it was first introduced... Ever heard of Desert Storm?

[@annoymouse890]

i have@@staz3014

[@sylphiongamer8201]

Spreading production across the country like that, might be politically smart, but is terribly inefficient.

[@MegaMoose1989]

it is how they guarantee a source of income. There is a defense contractor in almost every single congressional district in the country. Even St Bernie of Vermont is a big F35 defender because of the jobs it brings to Vermont.

[@tollboothjason]

Saint Bernie of Vermont 🤣🤣🤣

[@wombatlover2796]

Especially, when you go to final assembly and the huge quality control issues occur and parts don't fit properly, then you have to machine them to fit.. so each aircraft has specialised parts.. Then ALIS tells you that parts aren't working, when the parts are actually working.. so you got to ground the aircraft until you can find the fault with ALIS... Its about this time, you need to purchase a $600 hammer from the Pentagon..

[@kyle857]

SylphionGamer We dont really need efficiency for the numbers we are building.

[@sumott497]

@wombat - you really need to study how this jet is being developed. It took 20 years to develop the f14 tomcat. We are at year 12 of development of the F35, so your perspective is off. Secondly, only 200 f-35s have been built and for good reason. Its a testing fleet. When something breaks they reengineer the part so when we buld 2300 of these jets, parts match up. People dont realize that development has not ended.

[@juanxnaranjo647]

Airman here .... just one look at an F35 I understand why it costs so much. I'm assigned to A10 and was trained on F16 ... but the F35 is lightyears from them.

[@KevinHill320906]

"the helmet is to heavy" what an Air Force Answer...

[@wormfood868]

Remember the pilot has to deal with G-forces from maneuvering, so a twenty pound helmet is a lot bigger problem for them. Strap 100 pounds to your head and look up, then let us know how it went. Edit: The helmet isn't really nearly that heavy, but weight's still an issue, especially if the pilot has to eject.

[@ewthmatth]

Kevin Hill in a 7G turn that helmet weighs 140 pounds.

[@imrekalman9044]

The helmet for the Eurofighter Typhoon is 1.9 kg, just over 4 lbs. The F-35's should be similar. At 7+ G when it's not for a moment but constant for minutes, be it an air show or a dog fight, every gram matters.

[@hempfarm8893]

Chair force

[@Bluelightning23]

Kevin Hill There was more to it than just "the helmet is heavy" we were only given a short sound bite.

[@UnseenR35]

Switzerland just decided to buy 36 of those for the country...

[@aztronomy7457]

This is an old article from an anti military news organization. Talk to any pilot or military expert and most of the problems had been figured out with the f35. It's still way overpriced but it's certainly much better now than it was 4 or 5 years ago.

[@MBuf]

@@aztronomy7457 why does switzerland need 36 fighter jets...

[@aztronomy7457]

@@MBuf idk. I'm not swiss.

[@MBuf]

@@aztronomy7457 then why are you defending them & their choice?

[@aztronomy7457]

@@MBuf I'm simply stating that it's a good jet. Most of the problems have been worked out. If they want a jet, its a good one to buy. Do they NEED a jet? I have no idea.

[@luffirton]

All big military fighter projects have been over budget, delayed and had significant issues in its early days this is no exception. It has definitely had mismanagement that was very severe but that is now more or less fixed and the program is producing good quality fighter jets that are more capable than any before and at a competitive price to 4-4.5 gen fighters and with the amount of aircraft already in service this program will continue until its scheduled for decommissioning some time many decades from now.

[@trev6511]

Canceling the project doesn't have to lose all these jobs, the F-35 in particular is the problem so ending the F-35 project while simultaneously starting a new, better thought out one, would keep the jobs and end the nightmare that is the F-35

[@stimproid]

And what kind of plane would you suggest we build instead?

[@trev6511]

stimproid Different planes for each branch of the military that are actually built purposefully to be best for their respective branch. You could then more easily distribute the work across multiple contractors to keep/create jobs at multiple companies.

[@mewtwo2111]

Trev6511 what about the countries expecting there plane orders.

[@EvelynDayless]

It takes time to design new planes. What about all the production jobs already fielded and the states that want to keep those jobs going.

[@EvelynDayless]

Trev6511 Production lines are insanely expensive. Other countries canceling their orders would likely affect the US too, but since the US is the biggest buyer they have the greatest effect on it. I actually agree with you to some extent though; I was just pointing out some of the problems with it.

[@ThePoker215]

I agree with trump on this

[@zrbbg9639]

Agamemno Contingency Me too.

[@asmrgamer3266]

He’ll use the savings to build a wall

[@stupidburp]

Super Hornets are not the right replacements though, updated F-22 and F-15 are.

[@tsu8003]

And Trump saves money by giving huge American companies a massive tax cut! Sounds like pure hypocrisy to me!

[@99Yeti]

It’s the best fighter jet in the world

[@99Yeti]

@Mone 2 ok why I’ll prove ya wrong

[@99Yeti]

@Mone 2 hellooooo

[@99Yeti]

@Mone 2 I’ve been waiting

[@captainmcsplash682]

not the best, that would be the F-22, but certainly one of the best aircraft ever built.

[@99Yeti]

@@captainmcsplash682 the 22 is a fighter doesn’t carry bombs can’t vtol can’t do carrier ops can’t cas can’t do strikes with more then 2 bomba

[@TKO_CEY]

so the point, war pays

[@ryanhaasbroek2643]

Kaan Ra Very much so. It costs too.

[@Isomoar]

Ironically people don't seem to have a problem with that cost however... Everything else costs too much though! /s

[@DeepValueOptions]

Kaan Ra war is a good business for the likes of Stark Industries

[@onomatopoeia162003]

and Eisenhower was right

[@scofield1154]

it doesnt pay off its just that if they cancel it completely it would be a big problem same thing with obamacare its not perfect but completely cancelling it would be disasterous If you ask me I think that America should keep spending money on aircrafts but not aircrafts that kill people

[@Dweller415]

Ironically this jet is proving itself virtually unstoppable by the Israelis.

[@op3129]

that WOULD be ironic ... if true

[@dovidell]

The Israeli Air Force is a great poster boy for advertising American made planes " tested" in the Middle East and other arenas

[@pepefrogstein845]

Unstoppable except if you're a bird or a S-200 missile, depending on who you ask.

[@Aldnon]

@@op3129 They did, they test it by flying it to Iran airspace right over their capital, completely undetected.

[@demanischaffer]

@@pepefrogstein845 Good thing neither the Russians, Syrians nor Israelis have ever verified that unfounded claim of an S-200 even firing at an F-35 Also bird strikes are not good for any type of plane

[@randomdude275]

People like to bash the F-35 but they fail to take into account that this plane is made to replace everything and do everything

[@fluxcapacitor1621]

Everything but win a war. We keep losing wars and the F-35 wouldn't have changed the outcomes. If we had it during Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan, we still would have lost. It's all about using fear to freeload off of taxpayers. Socialism for Republicans. DoD = Department of Dependents I hate to break it to you but low cost drones are the future. You could have thousands of them in the sky for the same cost as an F-35.

[@eleventy-seven]

It's a dream.

[@ianshaver8954]

Dreams can become reality if you spend enough on them. The F-35 is proof.

[@aussiejezza]

and that's why the f22, a10, f16, f15 and f18 are all no more

[@djcalvin408]

And 4 years later, it’s selling like hot pancakes! That’s what happens when you have people with no idea about the technology that goes into one of these 🤣

[@seankilburn7200]

And are critical of all things related to the military

[@wyguy1212]

Ok it’s selling where is that money going ? To you? To your family? To your school teachers? To your hospital? No it sells and money goes to wealthy elites who own Lockheed id rather my gov spend my tax dollars on things that would improve my life on a day to day basis

[@Bruh-td7ex]

@@wyguy1212 you do realize the budget on health or care is high, the problem is that how to distribute it and either bureaucracy or other reasons.

[@ethanng8529]

I'm starting to think that Congress really doesn't like paying debts...

[@worldmapping4895]

well noone does

[@abeninan4017]

They don't care.

[@anincompetentmoron8497]

Can we go back to 1835 please? When the debt was 0?!

[@smitias_8474]

@@anincompetentmoron8497 Debt isn't inherently bad, but you should be cautious with that.

[@bobboberson2024]

Very interesting stuff. Lots of well-presented information. But know that ALL aircraft have developmental problems. EVERY single one - military or commercial. The F-35 is anything but a disaster. It will survive and thrive at some point. And actually, the special needs of the different branches brings the cost way down considering they all start from the same airframe. Imagine all branches getting their own bespoke asset!

[@SloMoShort]

It’s only public money. Spend it all lads, no one minds

[@TaraZaraChara]

Source: Regurgitated RT interviews with Pierre Sprey

[@SiVlog1989]

The Military Industrial Complex, the very thing that Dwight Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address in 1961. "We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists,"

[@lorenzoblum868]

The carbon footprint of the military industrial complex too...

[@joshair8163]

The cockpit footage at 0:08 is from an F-18 EDIT: It might be an F-16, but it's definitely not an F-35. Also at 6:00

[@cameronsipka3352]

Josh Air I'm sorry :(

[@dgallari4370]

It's an f16

[@axpetre]

Yeah, and at 2:26 he talks about Sikorsky helicopters, but showing a Eurocopter Tiger instead. It makes you wonder how many facts they get right when they're making so many avoidable mistakes.

[@mrjpb23]

It's just B roll, give them a break. The only thing factually incorrect is the info graphic at 5:40, none of the models will have "2 engines," and it's the Marine model that melts flight decks in VTOL mode, not the Navy variant.

[@johnwilliam7041]

seem like quite many things they got wrong though, i have seen the congress video. They cut out alot of important parts. Seem like Vox became fake new

[@Kiano_East]

It costs 3x less than a f-15 now~

[@magicmagus1459]

Well this turned out to be totally wrong!!!

[@petitio_principii]

No.

[@diceman3219]

@@petitio_principii yes

[@F0xSH0X1]

This video didn’t age well. Seeing as the F35 is now very successful

[@petitio_principii]

Video point is not "f35 is bad" but "f35 development is slow and extraordinarily expensive." It remains the case.

[@logicplague]

@@petitio_principii Same can be said about basically every new military aircraft design. Could it have been done better? Very likely yes. Was it ever going to be "cheap" to develop? Absolutely not.

[@pelicanair2048]

It wasn’t good from the start

[@ae3464]

The problem with the plane is that its very expensive and congress still continues to supoort it. Although i agree this is a good plane and a successful one

[@sigma_frenchie4075]

@@logicplague No lol, The F-35 is literally the most plagued and most expensive military program in HISTORY. what is done is done and just saying "But hey at least F35 flies and is stealthy and oh it can drop bombs aswell" will not change that. you are trying to save the pots and pans

[@Finnstreams]

Vox says that Trump is right what is this? lol

[@vg789-d9b]

Vegetable unbiased reporting?

[@hungthepro1234]

what are they trying to get is that of at the end. Of how this decision is too big to fail and when it is made to fail, Trump will only hurts himself

[@leuvenfra]

Vegetable Further proof that Vox isn't as biased as conservatives like to pretend. It's easier claiming the media is rigged than to face the facts.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Eisenhower was right

[@yulbahbo232]

From all the backlash they had been receiving on multiple topic for being biased they were well under way to go down like CNN. When this happens to a media organization they have to put their bias aside and try to regain their credibility in order to be able manipulate the facts in the future.

[@wizardjinx]

This video has not aged well.

[@NutcasePodcast77]

How?

[@angellara7040]

​@@NutcasePodcast77how not?

[@sya_7489]

@@NutcasePodcast77 look up how many countries are lining up to buy the F-35

[@Mk21818]

​@@sya_7489Just because other countries are lining up to buy it, it doesn't mean it's good. I think you forgot how corrupted politicians are

[@tuffnutlevern9363]

@@Mk21818 your response is in itself a contradiction. Why would you buy something so expensive if it wasn’t good? Corruption could play a part but for so many countries to be buying it makes that very unlikely

[@jadenhalstead7290]

Props to vox for keeping this up despite being so wrong

[@loganwells548]

It’s supposed to replace all fighters for the next 50 years. It’s not as expensive as they make it out to be in the long run.

[@davidemartorana4708]

Yeah but It's more expensive to purchase and operate than everything else and it's not even ready yet

[@richj24]

Davide Martorana They finished the project and deliveries are being made to US allies....

[@dumdumbinks274]

@@davidemartorana4708 There are several well known fighters that cost more to purchase and operate. The F-15 is one of them despite the infrastructure to maintain it being in place since the 1970s.

[@UptownDegree]

F 35A cost is actually pretty good

[@seankilburn7200]

@@davidemartorana4708 costs have already dropped considerably now that production has ramped up

[@sorrygod5649]

I can totally see trump watching this for educational purposes

[@sorrygod5649]

Who doesn't

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

TV? Is that a rare seasonal drop?

[@santosgessy70]

He wouldn't understand a word they're saying

[@mrjpb23]

He's still digesting the school house rock video on how a bill becomes a law.

[@frozeneternity93]

*Said in a Russian accent In Soviet America, Trump educates you!

[@imcrazyforwar]

I work as a contractor, and the way my boss explains is this." At the end of the day, it's a jobs program."

[@mart1jin509]

I could think of more effecient job building programs.

[@imcrazyforwar]

@@mart1jin509 u could, but u need lobbyist with more money than them

[@prolarka]

@@mart1jin509 They are not living in that part of the world where they are required to be efficient.

[@TheNondiscriminatory]

as a liberal- but also a veteran- i have to say the amount of uniformed people in this thread is alarming. I mean sure, not everyone already knew about this stuff, fine. but the f-35 is head and shoulders above anything else except perhaps the f-22. "why do we need them when our enemies don't have air forces?" because serious threats like Russia and China do, and our fleet is truly aging. I mean old AF. any country that wants to maintain its security and the security of other obviously or arguably helpless nations like Japan, Taiwan, Ukraine, half of Europe or even australia, need to keep the edge, and we are LUCKY enough to have it, hands down. (the whole military- carriers, warplanes, equipment for ground troops, etc.) also, having a superpower truly decreases conflicts around the globe, because there isn't equal power capability between potentially violent nations- so they have to curtail their violent plans and be more diplomatic so they aren't crushed by a superpowers overwhelming forces. anyway, this is not just fear mongering- China has been grabbing up territory that doesn't belong to them in the South China Sea and they've been looking at other countries like a bear looks at a steak. we NEED the f-35 to maintain dominance in the skies and protect our ground forces in the event of any conflict. period. and nothing comes close the flawed f35, according to test pilots around the globe- and they are barely scratching the surface of its potential. just wait until the remaining (and really not many) kinks are worked out and the pilots master the aircraft. if anything, my criticism is the early mismanagement of the program and just plain old hubris- trying to pack 30 years of future proof into one airframe. but now that it's here, science help the invaders of defenseless countries if it happens.

[@samgerland6087]

Doesn't matter, its a waste of time to do all of these investments into war accessories. All of these resources should be invested in infinite energy

[@josephpenn1115]

Sam G >infinite energy energy cannot be created or destroyed only transferred infinite energy is completely in all ways impossible

[@tysondoesstuff4911]

in the position America is in right now, nobody wants any help from Americans... and why is china a threat? Just cause the US owes them 18 trillion dollars does not make them a threat...

[@tysondoesstuff4911]

That would be great! If it were POSSIBLE!

[@TheNondiscriminatory]

Joseph Penn someone who understands basic physics. thank you 🤗

[@francisdrelling4060]

The fact is that every pilot who flies this jet, and those who fly against it, all report it is unstoppable. All new aircraft go through introductory phases where they don't really meet expectations and this is where the kinks are worked out. They then reach their mark and deliver top of the line performance we need. There was a time when the F-16 was crashing once every two weeks. Look at it now. There have only been a few F-35 crashes - about 5 or so. In addition, the F-35 is testing a revolutionary new development program and technology. One where the jets are produced and then retrofitted as the kinks are worked out. This rolls out production far faster. I was concerned when I first learned of the F-35's initial performance but gave it time and it is now the world's top of the line freedom fighter. Having said the foregoing, cost is always an issue. Perhaps trying to have one jet with differing versions (USAF , Navy and Marines) doesn't always work out the way you think. Conclusion: When we need the missiles to leave rails, we will all be happy the F-35 is ours!

[@frankopanklaric]

Sunken cost fallacy.

[@CaptainSovereign]

Aged like like milk....malakas

[@tyrael280]

The bottom line : buy Raytheon shares

[@jaisonwaiste9575]

This is exactly why there will be always be war..gotta keep stocks up.

[@Eric-ye5yz]

The damage caused by WW2 far out weighed any gains, and any gains made were by the few. Einstein said "I don't know what weapons will be used in the next war, but the one after will be with stones and spears".

[@D2A962]

Izno Iznogoud the true misfortune is in the masses seeming lack-of-a-desire to fight for change the same way our ancestors did. We're simply too impressed by gimmicky bullshit and will continue to be until it's far too late.

[@D2A962]

John Hall did I touch a nerve? I fail to see what wrong with my "analysis". Then again, you're an admitted participant in the military industrial complex, so I doubt we'll have much to discuss beyond the personal attacks you've already provided.

[@rayologyxm]

I should buy shares given that it shares my name

[@LightxHeaven]

Eisenhower told us, but we chose to ignore his warning.

[@likemostthings]

Since the video, the F35 appears to be finally working and knocking everything out of the sky, including the F22.

[@neofil69]

It is working, when it is far away from lightning 😂😂

[@xSupra]

@@neofil69 I mean, that goes for like every other plane. Same with birds.

[@Spudtron98]

@@xSupra Yeah, turns out plane engines don't tend to react well to having big hunks of meat being shot through them at several hundred kilometres per hour.

[@UptownDegree]

F 35 is an excellent plane now

[@CannonFodder873]

@@UptownDegree ...with a restricted operational envelope due to design errors.🤣

[@isaacbutcher3985]

Keep in mind that this exact aircraft got a 20:1 kill ratio at the latest Red Flag.

[@jamesdrake3651]

"Kill ratios attributed to a platform naturally make us think of direct engagements with enemy aircraft, but Red Flag is a highly integrated air battle, one that always uses the latest data-link fusing gateways and other force-multipliers. It remains unclear whether the stated kill ratio is strictly attributable to the F-35, or if it includes the actions of other coalition aircraft, particularly F-22s, while the F-35 is merely present. " www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7488/lets-talk-about-those-f-35-kill-ratio-reports-from-red-flag

[@demanischaffer]

James Drake Nope pilots reported the F22's weren't in the same areas as the F35

[@demanischaffer]

Hugh Jarce The F35 win to loss ratio is for all of the F-35's not just one, that's not how a win to loss ratio works for an aircraft type

[@demanischaffer]

Izno Iznogoud Pretty sure people had the same argument for the F15 minus the stealth

[@demanischaffer]

Izno Iznogoud And you say it isn't good because the F117 was a hanger queen, the F117 was an early Gen stealth aircraft, of course it was a hanger queen it was the first of it's kind, but I'm pretty sure people called the F15 and the F22 hanger queens at first

[@Ahsoka501st]

Thank you so much for including sources! Helped me out with my research paper!

[@Yeetstar_Goofy]

Good one

[@daifunka7062]

So it's not a disaster after all

[@gp33music41]

The f35 took so long to develop because it's not one plane, but three, and it uses technologies not really implemented before on production or even prototype aircraft.

[@threnn9509]

A Lockheed jet that is a disaster? Cough Cough Starfighter Cough Cough.

[@demanischaffer]

The starfighter was only a "disaster" in undertrained German pilots hands, the Italians loved them enough to fly them well beyond anyone else

[@xSupra]

@@demanischaffer Yep.

[@EragonShadowSlasher]

Yeah india beat up pak starfighters lol

[@lucastekkan]

@@EragonShadowSlasher not something to be proud of lol

[@imlivingunderyourbed7845]

"Sir, this is so expensive. Maybe we should hold back out budget" "Do you have any idea how many children I could've fed with all the money put in these jets? Don't waste their sacrifice!"

[@Eokoi]

This is disproven now

[@cmdmd]

Simple, it showcases the power of the military-industrial complex.

[@JetFalcon710]

If the F-35 Lightning II was a disaster, why would 14 countries have bought it already, and why are we putting it in the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps? Also, every jet has difficulties in its first few years -- the F-16 Viper is particularly notable for this, as the USAF was favoring big and powerful fighters in the 70's when the F-16 was implemented. It was at a disadvantage and not well liked back then, but now, nearly 50 years later, it's one of the most famous jets in the world. I'm sure the F-35 will have something similar happen to it

[@Wok_Agenda]

Bribes and lobbying

[@JetFalcon710]

@@Wok_Agenda I doubt it

[@lime221-zu8ur]

@@Wok_Agenda Denmark is known for its low levels of corruption, so why are they purchasing the f-35 as well?

[@Theheep]

@@lime221-zu8urexactly Denmark is literally the least corrupt country on earth

[@Wok_Agenda]

@@lime221-zu8ur We are talking about mythical sums of money , nobody could resist

[@hbarudi]

That explains why the US federal budget deficit and military costs are becoming a significant problem. Government always has this problem when trying to invent something especially a next generation military aircraft.