This Lurker Drop Cheese Is SO GOOD... (Zerg Cheese to GM #3)

[@gtafbi1]

Cheese idea: burrow banelings in the mineral line (so as not to block the expansion/alert the opponent) of expansions not yet taken by your opponent. Once saturated you unburrow/detonate some 2-4 banelings you placed there in advance.

[@CoAndCoLaptopAccount]

Would that make them Minelings?

[@bobby4tw]

Nice idea! I like it!

[@JohnsonTheSecond]

Yes but it's busted as soon as a raven comes near or they try to build a turret behind the mineral line

[@zanmatoshin877]

Like it😄 keep doing all game for later expands aswell

[@giovannisolariayllon4112]

This is evil

[@Supergoon1989]

25:20 That is a very optimistic extra supplies calldown on the supply depot...

[@leonar2mf]

Underrated comment

[@murphy54000]

His last chance was about a minute earlier, but that was pretty much the last action he could actually take.

[@JohnHenryJones-u1r]

Probably would have gotten more value out of a mule on attack move

[@Supergoon1989]

@@JohnHenryJones-u1r Mules actually cannot attack, only Mine or Repair, They CAN be used in combat late game when you're very rich and can afford to waste them by being an extra unit at the front to distract and draw enemy fire, they can be used to block ramps to stop an enemy retreating from a bad fight, and they can be dropped on an enemies army near their own deployed Siege Tanks to Cause those tanks to fire at them and splash a lot of damage onto the enemy army as your other units move in to engage.

[@JohnHenryJones-u1r]

@@Supergoon1989 Thanks! Didn't know this. You actually got me I haven't played since Broodwar lol and assume they had an attack move like an SCV.

[@lordminsc24]

Only Thermy would ever use "I did 1v7 against insane AIs" as how he knows a fact as relatively simple as the cost of a unit haha. Best silly goose

[@smaakjeks]

Heeee ^^

[@biggestfanof300]

I had a college professor casually mention monumental achievements he had done in relation to basic relevant events in class. All humility, just blows everyone away; always funny to see.

[@ajz2k]

My man, ive been a sc2 fan/watcher since wings of liberty and this is the first time I've enjoyed a players content this much. Thank you for all the years and the content you bring (shout out to your editor too ((unless you edit it yourself)) )

[@jaeglarion9991]

Agreed. Best Pro/KZbinr/SC2 Cool Guy still playing the game.

[@Keukeu45]

This serie is better than 99% of Netflix, and I don't even play this game.

[@krisdang]

I stopped playing since WoL and still enjoyed this content so much

[@amourzombie]

Same

[@JohnSmith-me9qo]

@@krisdang you should come back like me in this year. starcraft is best game ever

[@TheRalviisch]

With so many flavors of cheese lately I'm hoping for Therm to queue as Random for full chaos.

[@detachsoup6061]

Random cheese to gm sounds fun

[@wjhung2]

LOL Uthermal: "Guys. Why...why is this going well for me? That is not allowed. That is absolutely not allowed."

[@balazshajdu4612]

Awesome vid yet again, I enjoy the commentary so much, amazing how you can do that so enthusiastically and play at this level! : You should make something with infestors :D

[@Chain59s]

I dont think i ever cheered for Zerg, even in a pro match - well done sir

[@psychedellictoxin1195]

I love this so much. Zerg Cheese is just so much funnier than anything else.

[@957ad]

this series is great, love the commentary hahah

[@forgiveness7959]

You could potentially send in your lings and burrow before the lurkers when playing vs terran to bait out scans, then unborrow run them further in and burrow again to get another scan. Then hit with the lurkers, maybe bait with the remaining zerglings by running them to the lurkers you snuck into the back with the overlord.

[@Yumari-Mai]

Ayy the lurkers, the terran's bane of existence! This one is pretty interesting because of all the lategame possibilities even if they hold out the early aggression. Btw, are you still considering a 100k special of some sorts? Thanks for the awesome content on both channels anyhow!

[@jaredt3150]

14:28 Me when i literally do anything away from my main base.

[@Klaisak]

14:19 "Now I still have this one alive!" 14:20 thats where you are wrong!

[@fdcrat]

Brilliant idea to get pro coaching for the zerg and protoss strategies! Consider to get the coaching on stream so we can follow the reasoning behind the different optimizations and learn from the coach too.

[@frankdev]

You're the only sc2 content I watch. I have no idea what the game looks like if no one is "cheesing". Maybe you should do a "no cheese" challenge?

[@bobby4tw]

Many of these games are not even cheese. A hidden expansion is not equal to cheese in many cases. Many are just clickbait, but good content none the less.

[@Kawlinz]

How about loading up 4 hydras in each ovie went then morph 2 of them just after you drop? It's lurkers plus hydras!

[@tolroth492]

I would like to see you make a strategy with a creep spreading queen, flying around the map with a dropalord.

[@stevenape377]

Hi Marc, if you're going to get coaching, I would love to see a couple of coaching vids too, if you were comfortable publishing those! It would be very interesting to me as a noob to see what kind of things rely on good mechanics in general, and what kind of things are experience with the race.

[@king_cobra1]

We had mech drops. Its time for lurker/ultras drop

[@michaelswain868]

In the last game the lurker drop is too funny and I am gonna start doing it... But after you killed his reapers if you had a baneling drop follow up I think you would have won that with baneling or muta follow up too. His lack of vision and being fooled into (what I 100% would have thought) a baneling bust/ling flood scenario.... Anything flying into the main would have wrecked him...

[@Nuovoswiss]

Would love to see the corrupter spray used on many buildings at once. Its DPS gets silly after it ramps up. With ~2 corrupters per building, their entire main dies in under 20 seconds. Much faster if just interested in depots or pylons.

[@vitaligofman1801]

hello again! question: what do you think of the lurker drop but with only one lurker per overlord for maximum micro so as to not lose the second lurker?

[@adamtennant4936]

Love the Lurker doom drop!

[@Protoss-man]

lurkers are like my worst enemy when i see a lurker den i am like no no no no no maybe next time man

[@s4bc]

that terran was hilarious, he refused to make a viking lol for the lurker drop

[@leaflotus6726]

Didn't think this is how I'd get my lurkers fix, but I'm glad it was.

[@platinumpus]

The ladder has no idea whats going on with Thermy coming in, you shake the entire meta with your insane skill

[@RuinousDrow]

Loving these shorter videos uThermal! Awesome to see more posts :)

[@rbrun1993]

These cheeses are so amazing, truly wonderful!

[@maximk9964]

Ah yes, hydras and lurkers is a great way to start a Saturday!

[@rellik8746]

Hidden banelings on mineral lines exploding I NEED TO SEE IT

[@ArturGrigio]

Mark, how are you this good? Seriously, how do you know the maps so well? Do you watch gm games behind the scenes? Do you play off of video too? Or what? You’re so fun to watch! Amazing!!!

[@tuhaggis]

He was a professional for many years, which is why he can make these ideas work so consistently. He is being matched with players very far below his skill. You'd likely find most if not all of your own crazy ideas will work against someone 2000 MMR lower than your normal level.

[@mariogutierrez4989]

@@tuhaggis To be fair, he has/had fair success against GMs and pros too. The early matches against lower MMR players are more for trial & error and refining the builds. But yeah, it's easy wins at the start.

[@GBtothe3]

@@mariogutierrez4989 That kind of reinforces Mr. Tuhaggis point. He's good enough to mess around and do fun strats against the top players and win. He beats pros like Harstem consistently while doing challenges for himself. Unless he makes major or numerous mistakes, very few players on the ladder can beat him. He may not have been the most successful pro out there, but if you can't play good enough to qualify for sc2 tournaments, you still dont stand a chance unless hes being extra dumb.

[@mariogutierrez4989]

@@GBtothe3 I replied to a comment that said [what do you expect when he's playing guys 2000 MMR below him]. Comment was deleted.

[@GBtothe3]

@@mariogutierrez4989 My bad.

[@azagogh]

omg I've played starscream, he did the same thing then. (I however did not achieve he same success as uthermal - I was utterly crushed)

[@aneubeck4053]

The name being cheese backwards hahah. I feel like thats so obvious that makes it even more funny.

[@588holly]

That broodwar cheese was epic. I got nostalgic

[@kruelangel]

Ah I used to do this back in Brood War. I was good fun.

[@angellopez6475]

At last, I have witnessed the hydras/lurkers. I can rest now

[@gcl2783]

I don't feel bad about dropping in and just lurking on your Twitch stream now.

[@williamtee6776]

starscream is screaming

[@EDDIXspider]

Now i understand WHY your games are 100 times more interesting then Maru , Seral ,HeroMarin. uTermal love the CHAOS. And good Micro plus "ebraice the Chaos" is Best posible starcraft. And Cool Nucks. I still remember few brutal Nucks from THE 90's Broodwar.

[@Kimera_Alternate_Realities]

Thank you for making Starcraft fun to watch again, I'm even feeling like I should re-install

[@gcl2783]

Until you get lurker dropped by somebody playing the zerg like a baboon. Then keyboard flip and uninstall.

[@adcyuumi]

Lurkers are the main reason that Terran and Protoss are (usually) better off building an air army vs Zerg. I still want to see a half-hearted Ravager bust into into Mutalisks, as a cheese. It's basically Muta/Ling/Bane, except with Roaches/Ravagers instead of Banelings. When you have to defend the rear bases against Mutas and the front bases against Ravagers breaking your walls, something will give way and the Zerg will get in.

[@murphy54000]

I slightly disagree for a complete air army, but it's definitely beneficial to have some air *units* at least. You shouldn't transition into fully air until you see proof of lurkers unless that was your plan in the first place.

[@gingeral253]

I like to see if thermy can infect an enemy SCV or Probe to build a mixed race army.

[@TheSlicer890]

I've watched plenty of videos at 1.5 speed, but that second game against terran i had to change to 0.75 speed just to keep up, dang!

[@Ju-lien]

Hello, can you try a BL rush please ? Thx for amazing content !

[@ellielikesmath]

thanks for the lurker cheese vid!

[@peterkutz8792]

Awesome, I could watch this all day

[@Treksh]

Oled monitors have perfect pixel response times thats probably what you are feeling if its not the 144hz

[@jorgereyes3110]

Why getting mad? This was pure art, and I would immediately try it after losing to it 😂

[@jasonpoehland9074]

Ah yes! My Saturday is complete

[@stkfr]

This is actually the best and most efficient zvt oppening

[@momchilandonov]

Lurker drops were quite a thing in SC:BW. I am surprised it's such a rare cheese in SC2 even Harstem doesn't do it!

[@Zeratultheking]

I think because it takes so much longer to get online. BW, its just lair + den + an upgrade, den doesn't require lair just pool so can be made same time as lair. In SC2 its Lair ->Hydra den->lurker den + upgrades to get them efficient. So significantly longer to do so. The only reason it comes "faster" in SC2 is because you start with 12 workers vs the 4 in BW so a lot of the time is just getting economy up. If you started with 12 in BW you would have lurkers up by 3 min.

[@Elfcheg]

First game: "when cheese fails" aka "call an ambulance, but not for me!"

[@kemalbek27]

Fungle growth rush on the workers?

[@LoneWolf-kw3ol]

cant wait for Thermy's Academy of Cheese

[@lubosdanis5547]

Is it sad I sat here at 6pm uk time waiting for new video to appear? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

I had a nits flst screen when flat screens first came out as Samsung was too expensive... when I upgraded it a decade later... there was so many more colours and tonal range.... the k ky down side to hdmi and the new cables is that it limits data speed as I found parallel ports with the chunky blue screws is faster speed. As the hdmi could have up to 5mms or more delay. Huge in fps playing.. so you are not seeing g what is actually going on I the computer the delay made no sense to me, lol. Upgrading monitor that is built for gaming it can be super smooth, but sometimes the software uses a frame filler or blur to make it smoother, which creates minor delays to render lag... I would rather have it come from the source rather then a secondary degradation, but for a TV show that's not live playing works great.

[@gunnararc]

Incredibly satisfying seeing you destroy that salty hater in the end. If you end up throwing out homophobic nonsense when you lose you are either taking the game too seriously or you're a terrible person. Thank you for always staying loving and positive Mark!

[@DrYmath]

New series idea: Every time someone says something stupid in chat you have to start over. You'd never make it to GM.

[@flip4052]

Cheese idea zerg vs zerg, lock in their hatchery or mineral line with evo chambers or hatchs so units cant get out

[@oleggello]

The last guy was soo mad!

[@calvintong5036]

The real cheese here is a smurf pro player vs a diamond 1.

[@MonkeyMD3]

So giddy with those lurkers 😂

[@PeregrineChurch]

Yes to the 3 minute nydus 😂

[@nicholasmainini3897]

First! Finally. Great series, Marc.

[@hwile]

Almost

[@stysner4580]

Why would you start an engineering bay when you have a starport with tech lab... :')

[@eclipseeffigy]

In these early episodes I like it more when you make it extra challenging, like in proxy nexus pretending to be afk or in terran challenges not using the 5 marines 1 reaper. Doing good cheese builds, although off-race and unconventional, is a bit too dominant at this level...

[@PooNagoo]

I wanna see overload creep spread drop to spine crawler rush lol

[@blamasterk]

What exactly does 2-rax, 3-rax reaper, 17 17 mean? Seems one needs to study for hours to understand what he is talking about.

[@opossums-will-sing]

These are all shorthand ways of referring to build orders. rax is short for barracks, so 2-rax means they build two barracks, 3-rax means three. 3-rax reaper means they build three barracks and start with a few reapers. Similarly, for Protoss, a 2-gate means they build two gateways first, 4-gate means four gateways, etc. 17-17 refers to the supply count at which zerg builds their first buildings, which will be gas, hatchery, and/or spawning pool: at 17 supply, they build the first building, which sacrifices a drone, then as soon as the next drone finishes and they're back up to 17 supply, the next building is produced. 17-18 would mean the same, but allowing an extra drone to build in between, so the second building happens at 18 supply. The only other naming pattern that springs to mind is for terrans: 2-2-2, 2-2-1, etc. These numbers refer to the number of each production facility you build, in the order barracks-factory-starport. So a 2-2-2 opener means building two of each, 2-2-1 is two rax, two factory, one starport... and so on for other patterns.

[@opossums-will-sing]

Generally for races that have production facilities (terran/protoss) numbers mean how many of a facility they have, and for zerg, numbers usually mean the supply count when things get built.

[@blamasterk]

@@opossums-will-sing Thanks a lot friend for the exhaustive answer.

[@bookworm8415]

uthermal: get coaching from a pro protoss... not sure who... and maybe serral for zerg. Then... next tournament... play to win as random. No limits. I wanna see how crazy you can make your strats to abuse random race.

[@Tc93412]

Love this series

[@chrispalmer3058]

Getting tips from pros would be so good! Especially if you recorded the coaching session. That would be so fun to watch!

[@smaakjeks]

Your last opponent was correct in their summary of your play as "soo gay" Because it was fabulous

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Zerg doom drop is hilarious and i love it

[@paulvijayakumar2002]

Unbelievable.. I agree with Angel xD

[@Npc-Mob]

Nydus queen rush or RR German taxi please 😅

[@Gandydast]

nydus swarm hosts vs protoss and zerg really nice

[@kingdedede6145]

3 min Nydus would be AWESOME!!

[@ErenisRanitos]

MARC PLEASE DON'T TEACH PEOPLE THIS BULL! @_@ I can't deal with this as Gold 2 ffs Marc please. 😢

[@alexandru6747]

26:02 me pressing S S S to score screen nevermind lol

[@samuelhilt563]

I love your videos!

[@felsenstern]

he got salty in the end, but I liked him staying to the end and not leaving prematurely.

[@PooNagoo]

I’m always here for the fastest nydus possible 😂

[@andreypersikov6214]

can't see terrans being tortured😂😂

[@beesi4932]

Every time uThermal starts talking about playing like a baboon, I start wondering about these highly trained Starcraft baboons running around, an what their purpose might be.😅

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

3 minute nydus: yes please

[@ledrash6079]

I wonder if i could win with any strategy as well, if i was fighting like >2000 mmr lower than my normal? Yeah, probably :/

[@balazsfenyes3880]

instead of an engi bay he just makes 1 viking and kills the overlords. Then no more pickup. or 1 raven and no more scans needed. That's why i said low MMR vs GM is no fun.

[@bruh-xp9zf]

a lurker a day keeps the bio away

[@AlinNightwing]

That last one, he didn't even say gg, Uthermal sitting there saying he did good and praising the guy then the guy goes "soo gay" like bruh... if that's your response you weren't good enough for that MMR rating anyway. He was going turtle terran in hopes of a positive outcome, probably hoping to make a brick defense then do a battlecruiser hotdrop and just mad it didn't go well

[@njdarda]

Poor Terrans :(

[@zackblack1824]

Yup.

[@patrickhuffman9632]

So good!

[@poemba011]

Dutch cheese is the best cheese there is!!

[@matejsvec4451]

The salty players whining at the end is the most fun :D :D

[@davidelrizzo]

Every second player is uThermal copy cat cheeser now... what have you done!? 😂

[@danubioseneolitic8668]

Who is the most balanced player? How about a tournament best of three no repeating race? I guess is fan for players who not excel in any race to have a chance against outstanding dedicated race players.

[@vanccy815]

Like the salt 😂