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[@TheVaushPit]

Check out the debate I did with the Jacobin writer which is referenced in the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qISYgJWFh9mgpK8

[@rogirek3362]

"This US foreign policy decision was aimed at advancing US interests." Yes, the snozberries do taste like snozberries.

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

130 likes gee thanks

[@jjreddick377]

😂 as if BRICS, CSTO, Warsaw Pact and CIS weren’t created to serve the interests of Moscow . These people are insane. It’s basically: US alliances = bad. Russian/Chinese alliances = good.

[@joshuaoverlord5327]

​@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper he not wrong tho

[@MrFearDubh]

As a social democrat, I find it interesting that many people to the left of me politically and many people way to the right of me politically seem to be united in wanting Ukraine to fall to Putin's Russia. I agree with Vaush that helping Ukraine defend itself from a raging war criminal is morally correct.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

Horseshoe theory is real.

[@BasilAbdef]

It's like some people want to go back to the 1800s when wars of conquest were still acceptable and commonplace.

[@rogirek3362]

Putin simps aren't to the left of you. They're fascists in a social club that wears red.

[@Khalkara]

Honestly, if someone doesn't support Ukraine against Russia they can't be considered a leftist. They're just reactionary, and therefor right wing.

[@greenberry6019]

​@britishrocklovingyank3491 no, it isn't. It's an idiotic theory. That's the same as saying "conservatives, liberals and fascists all agreed with our coups in Latin America, therefore they're all the same"

[@daraghokane4236]

Almost every country on Earth denounced Russia then Elon backed them. Ill continue not paying for twitter or buying a tesla

[@daraghokane4236]

@@blitzwing1 I would never pay for twitter if my mom and dad owned it. And I don't want a car so both of these things are easy

[@AnEntropyFan]

Doesn't mean you shouldn't post on Twitter, tho. Because it's a money sink hole, the advertising pool is draining and the servers are popping stitches as Muskrat chews through the wiring. Any small bit or byte pushing it towards the breaking point is halal.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@AnEntropyFan ya I just use the not paid version

[@Argumemnon]

Also don't buy a SpaceX rocket, please.

[@AnEntropyFan]

@@Argumemnon Can't avoid that one, given that SpaceX lives off taxpayer-funded subsidies. Make Nasa Great Again - Ma NGA.

[@Dr.Spatula]

I love the idea that NATO is purely an American thing and removes ALL of European agency.

[@nubgaming5342]

Or that any action a nato country does somehow represents NATO

[@hollister2320]

Pls pls pls for the love of god, I hope our European allies understand they do NOT represent the vast majority of us Americans, just like the far right. We know and empathize with our Eastern European brothers and what they’ve been through under the Russian dictatorship, and unequivocally denounce ANY notion of NATO being a US puppet organization. These ppl are psychotic and DO NOT speak for us at all! Thx you

[@AntiContradiction]

Also the idea that America single handedly unified Europe in a defensive military treaty is somehow bad???

[@jhonshephard921]

@@AntiContradiction For anyone who isn't European, YES. YES it is bad. You want immigration from brown countries to end? End the European and American interference in their politics and economies. Also when Europeans see themselves as one thing and everyone else as another, who do you think it benefits? WHITE SUPREMISTS. Recent Polish immigrants to the UK have FAR FAR FAR less in common with the locals than Indian and Pakistani immigrants. We share a hisory,some of us go through the same education system in the GCSEs(the thing OWLs in Harry Potter are based on). Yet because they are "European" the Polish immigrants are considered more British than the people who the British ruled over for 300 fucking years and whose language Queen Victoria spoke(YES, Queen Victoria spoke and wrote in Urdu, she kept an Urdu diary).

[@IronHand31588]

This is a very common perspective on the American left. It's ironically very America-centric.

[@Ougagagoubou]

As a Finn, rise in interest towards joining NATO was very similar between the people, and the government. Every party except the most leftist one voted in favor of it unanimously, and popularity of NATO also rose from basically like 30% to 80% in a month. There really was no meaningful push against it, after it being mostly a taboo topic since WWII. When it was discussed, majority used to just respond with "let's just keep trading with them and not make them mad". Well, now they got mad anyway so might as well join NATO.

[@ezachleewright2309]

That's awesome. This is why Finland is my favorite Nordic country, right after Sweden, and Norway

[@bibsp3556]

Shout out to the homeland

[@LinusBerglund]

I think Finland's process of joining NATO was more understandable than Sweden's. It was as if we talked warmly about neutrality policy while also going closer and closer to NATO and then suddenly opinion allowed us to apply for a short time. We applied for membership and then people realized we had to pull our pants down and offer our behind to the goat-lover Erdogan. There was no discussion. The only party against it was the left party. We already knew of Russia's expansionist policy. Nothing changed with the invasion of Ukraine, apart from a short increase of public fear.

[@dominantprime]

@@LinusBerglund and if Russia invaded Finland, who would be Sweden's next door neighbour at that point? You have to be able to think a few steps ahead in this chess game, not just look at what is on the board and naively assume things stay the same. What the Ukraine invasion showed was Russia telegraphing their next 10 moves. You can either bury your head in the sand, or do something about it.

[@uninstaller2860]

​@@ezachleewright2309What a backhanded compliment that was. In your opinion then, Finland is average if it's in 3rd place out of 5 countries

[@lillebror1567]

I used to be part of a Trotskyite political organisation, and for me, the drop that broke the camel's back was their anti-NATO rhetoric that sprang up as the Russo-Ukrainian war began

[@AnEntropyFan]

Given the tendencies of "Trotskyite" orgs, kinda interesting that them being mean to NATO is what broke you, LOL! They think "white" men equal "the proletariat" and everything else is "idpol", so would gladly recreate the Stalinist system (ironically enough) and a majoritarian tyranny for bros that look like them (shoehorn theory 101); but being wrong that like 3rdish time the State Department ended up morally lucky got you?

[@vader3669]

Trot and ML, mainly centralist organizations are pretty cringe in general tbh. Glad you got out

[@speakergreene8269]

Every Trotskyite I've ever met was somehow each the singularly most classist person I've ever encountered. Like each and every one of them is tied for first place. It's incredible. It's like a whole ideology based around conflating communism with hating the poor.

[@Syzygy_Bliss]

It’s hard to know the logical end of your ideas until you need to apply them to a tough situation. I’m glad your anti-imperialism values overpowered your pro-trotskyism values. Ideologies that could potentially be used to justify harming others inevitably will. If we’re unlucky, they’ll be convincing to normies and succeed in causing the intended hurt.

[@vader3669]

@@donovan4222 Centralist and trot orgs are cringe, better to join an anarchist group or a DSA chapter that’s radical

[@joemagarac405]

Anyone who thinks NATO is actively looking for opportunities for aggression missed the 90s. NATO and the US emphatically did not want to get involved in Bosnia or Kosovo. Especially the Republicans (with the notable exception of Bob Dole). They were forced to by worldwide public outcry over the atrocities/war crimes making front page news for years. The world was ashamed of what had happened in Rwanda. Also, the Europeans refused to step up and the US kept waiting for them to. Look at NATO/Obama administration’s response to the invasion of Crimea. They almost seemed to welcome it, because as a nation in conflict, Ukraine was unable to obtain membership in NATO. Way too much American diabolism with these bozos. Sam should know better, but like Cenk he seems to be of an age where everything is seen through the lens of the Iraq War.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 Dude - its over, everybody moved on - you earned your rubals for today - go home ivan 😂

[@TheHunterGracchus]

Also, as appealing as the trend toward neutrality seemed to be, it was terrible and shocking when the US and other world powers stood by while genocide took place in Rwanda.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

It's true, the US was dragging its feet pretty much until the last possible moment hoping the European community would deal with it on their own. And it shames me to say this as a European but there was zero chance of that happening. All the European countries that could have intervened where bogged down by factionalism and conflicting intererests in the Balkans. Someone had to stop the Serbs from comitting even more genocide and thank God it was the Yankees cause if it had fallen to us our governments would have stood by and watched as the Albanian Kosovars were being murdered, just like so many Bosnians had been.

[@danzoom]

​@@donovan4222 "front page of russian news" 💀 Please stop embarassing yourself.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 you are losing it, IVAN 😜

[@thenewmase]

Legit tired of these guys and their only argument of 'America bad' We have a chance to do legit good by helping Ukraine 'Uhm but have you thought that America bad?'

[@ericseiz2014]

That is absolutely wrong! They have never said that! You hear what you want to hear!

[@yaboye3791]

​@@ericseiz2014Are you retar- > I will only vote for Williamson Incredible

[@AdmiralBobbery123]

I think their argument is a little more nuanced than that. They view a difference between the statement of “Ukraine should be helped” and “The U.S should help Ukraine”.

[@emilchan5379]

@@AdmiralBobbery123 Unless they are saying that everyone except the US should help Ukraine, this is a distinction without a difference.

[@thelouster5815]

@@AdmiralBobbery123 The only nuance in that comparison is “America bad”. The US has every right to help Ukraine like every other country.

[@pinkducklett1051]

Doesn't Russia sound weirdly similar to a toxic partner? "Oh what? You want a prenup? What do you think we're gonna get divorced!?"

[@verager2493]

Only if they're also pointing a loaded gun at you when they say it

[@shanihandel9621]

NATO broke the pre-nup. It's called the Minsk Accords!

[@dominantprime]

@@verager2493 and they've buried 7 ex-wives who fell out of a window.

[@warlordofbritannia]

The divorce was the Soviet Union dissolving. This is the toxic “I gotta get her back” phase

[@tomerkritz]

Guys, Just_a_turtle_chad and donovan4222 are both Russian trolls - Ignore them in the comments 😂

[@ericseiz2014]

Wow! You showed them!

[@minicampell7726]

I like how "in 2008 Putin got more concerned about NATO" actually means In 2008 Putin attacked Georgia.

[@niccolorichter1488]

yes Bush pledged to do that , not that anybody else agreed It wasnt going to happan@@donovan4222

[@deeznoots6241]

⁠@@donovan4222so Putin attacked Georgie for not joining Nato in 2006? Lmao Why the fuck does Russia have any right to invade other countries just because those other countries exercise their independence

[@Coliflower185]

@@donovan4222 true, there is a connection there. Putin invaded Georgia to prove to NATO that they should have admitted Georgia in in 2006

[@Evangeline.F]

The real question with NATO isn't about just American interest, because if we say that NATO is bad, because it forwards American interests, then we have to consider, for whom is NATO bad? Russian interests? So are Russian interests now more legitimate? Is US alliance building now less legitimate than Russia's right to wage all-out war (which is a pretty blatant violation of international law)? One thing you typically see from many people who argue like that is that this whole US vs Russia thing over NATO and Ukraine utterly ignores the souvereignity and agency of the Europe inbetween. Most of Europe isn't in NATO because America bullied us to join, but because in terms of national interest, aligning with NATO is vastly more attractive than being a Russian satelite state. Non-alignment doesn't work, as Ukraine figured out, which is why Sweden and Finland immediatly moved to join once the war broke out and its also not terrible being in NATO. For European countries, joining NATO also isn't just bowing to American interests, because when, say, Poland joined NATO and EU, they can count on it that if the US tried to actually force things onto Poland, the rest of the Euros would get uncomfortable too and collectively the Europeans have enough bargaining power. In actuality though, I think Eastern countries like Poland prefer the US to the western Euros, just because the US actually has the resources and political will to go hard on Russia, something the western Europeans first had to regain post-2022 (in terms of resources, it's still bleak though). But essentially, NATO expansion and the debacle in Ukraine isn't "American Empire", but rather it's America benefitting off the absolute failure of Russian empire-building efforts, as pretty much the entire neighbourhood of Russia in the west is on bad terms with them except Lukashenka, who has to be propped up by Russian arms. Russia has no soft power to build Empire and abandonned its attempts to gain soft power because it was more expedient to preserve an autocracy that is unattractive to the general population of most countries surrounding it and nourishes fears of revisionism (which we can see are well-founded), but now its hard power is failing too, after Russian performance against another post-Soviet state was underwhelming.

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 NATO simp 🤪

[@KenS1267]

I hate this framing. "Russian grievances." Why precisely should anyone care about "Russian grievances." If people are supposed to change their behavior based on "Russian grievances" then that can be used to achieve anything. Putin has complained about the Alaskan purchase for crying out loud. As soon as I heard that these two people instantly became non credible. MR is usually pretty good on domestic issues but they are terrible on foreign affairs and this is another case of that. They either need to get someone who really knows the field or stop covering it completely.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

I demand you recognize Seward's folly! lol

[@MrFuckingKololo]

American left and terrible foreign policy, name a better duo.

[@shaihuludthemaker]

Because Russia has nuclear weapons and the world would be safer with a negotiated settlement rather than fighting to the last Ukrainian? And all these two guests do is foreign affairs. They're as expert as it gets short of Chomsky.

[@MrFuckingKololo]

@@shaihuludthemaker Russia doesn't want to negotiate. Every time the negotiations have been tried Putin's terms are "give me everything I want or else". Also, no, the world wouldn't be safer with a negotiated agreement if you just appease Russia. Because then Russia will still have nukes and now have the confidence that all they need to have their wave is to threaten to use them. And btw, Russia is not the only country with nukes, if France decides to just conquer half the Africa again are you also gonna say that "well it's bad, but they have nukes, guess there's nothing we can do"? Also also, imagine using Chomsky as some sort of standard in foreign policy expertise lmao.

[@KenS1267]

@@shaihuludthemaker 1) Chomsky denied the existence of the Killing Fields of Cambodia among many other laughable faux paus over the years so his foreign affairs bona fides do not exist. 2) If the only possible response to a nuclear nation's aggression is capitulation that inevitably leads to nuclear war. If you could think logically for even a few seconds that would be obvious. So those two buffoons may claim they only do foreign affairs that doesn't mean they are any good at it. Again, if you hear the term "Russian grievances" as justification for anything that means the person who said it is either dumb as a post or a Putin stooge.

[@JamieElli]

Alliance can be used to disguise empire. NATO is not a great example of this. The US has very limited control over various members and can't even decide to let anyone in on our own. Maybe protecting countries so they feel secure is good even if it angers a few dictators. NATO interventions have actually been average to good when compared with the whole of US policy. (Iraq was just a us thing. France said no, remember freedom fries, we couldn't get the Europeans to follow us)

[@joshuacampbell1625]

Thank God, someone who understands that Iraq wasn't a NATO intervention, but a US one, with the UK as the lackeys.

[@Sossasammy]

Another messed up thing is that nato countries never bring their own people to the icc and there are thousands of examples after ww2 where they should be.

[@calumdowbigginglew3205]

​@@Sossasammyno country ever willing gives their political actors up to the ICC

[@calumdowbigginglew3205]

​@@SossasammyPutin giving himself up soon?

[@Sossasammy]

@@calumdowbigginglew3205 also good what aboutism we are talking NATO this time not Russia.

[@Skelethin]

I find the point about the F-16 insane, frankly. The F-16 is an old aircraft, and it's literally at the end of its service life in the US military. They are actively working on getting a replacement. No one in the MIC is worried about the F-16 for how it will work as a sales advertisement. They only care if it will fill the role properly for what Ukraine needs. There are annual international war games that uses all the modern tech in a huge variety of scenarios, both favorite and very unfavorable (even unrealistically so), that anyone who matters already knows what the F-16 can do. The biggest thing that the war in Ukraine has shown is that for as much as the Russian military claims that it has tech that can do all these things... the US has developed tech with the focus of beating what they said they can do(plus more). Russia tech just continues to fail to live up to their own hype.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

I said as much in the livestream and can't believe I had to scroll this far to find a comment like yours.

[@TheRealAb216]

Yeah this is what happens when people talk about things they don't know anything about. Bet he would also call the patriot system an offensive weapon and giving it to Ukraine was an escalation.

[@uninstaller2860]

Has F16's been tested against MiG's and their air defense? The jet is old but the situation is new

[@blumax961]

​@uninstaller2860 I'm a USAF veteran who worked in Command and Control 6 years. To answer your question, yes, F16s have been used in many international war exercises, in which our allies have employed both MiG and Sukhoi aircraft and F16 performed extremely well.

[@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper]

5 replied

[@steve94183]

They also just did an incredibly cringe segment on voter "shaming" and got roasted in the comments.

[@eross21363]

What was the video titled?

[@steve94183]

@@eross21363 "Why vote shaming is wrong and you shouldn't do it"

[@Paul.......]

Ugh come on TMR. You're one of the few good ones.

[@llamacopter677]

Yeah that segment was remarkably stupid, nobody would shy from shaming someone for attending a trump rally and making a fool of themselves but actually voting for him and facilitating his return to power is somehow too far?

[@embrikchloraker8186]

​Fuck yeah, I'll voter shame people who either further or don't stand in the way of an LGBT genocide! Electoralism sucks ass but refusing to participate is aiding fascism. They're more than willing to seize state power, so we should be, as well.

[@Dovoline3]

For the record, the US is ALSO fine with the EU forming a European Army, because the biggest problem NATO has right now is that despite working on this problem for almost a century at this point, basically nothing except small arms ammunition is standardized. The US would very much like to work on that, and even if that doesn't immediately translate into everybody accepting our standard, we'd settle for reducing the number of standards to two down from like 15.

[@tripledigit4835]

US wanting Europe to accept their standards and uniform measurements. So Europe are going to use Fahrenheit and Imperial measurement? Nah, that sounds trash

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​​@@tripledigit4835 The US military uses metric. Apart from aviation, even in European countries aviation has a nautical tradition so altitude is in feet, distance in nautical miles and speed in knots. But everything else is metric.

[@tripledigit4835]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD so what needs to be standardised if not measurements?

[@LunaticTheCat]

100%, the US would actually prefer this so they could focus more on the Southeast Pacific.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@tripledigit4835 Basically there's 7.62x51 rifles, 5.56x45 rifles, we have both 4.6x30 and 5.7x28 PDW rounds because we couldn't standardize just one, there's different kinds of mortars, different air to air missiles, different shells, different length barrels for artillery, etc. so Europe has a lot of capabilities that each army can account for, but if we throw them all together we have weapons which have different ranges, different effects on target, etc despite technically working under a NATO standard. If you have an aircraft that has a different range and speed than other, and Meteor missile instead of an AMRAAM, a self-propelled artillery that has a longer barrel and can push a shell further, etc and you're thrown into an European joint army and now your artillery and air support have less range all your doctrine has to be recalculated because you can't do missions like you're used to if other nations are providing the support.

[@jhf2121]

These "experts" going on about Eastern European NATO expansion in 2004 fail to mention that the states joining NATO also ascended to EU membership the same year. Almost as if they were taking a holistic approach to integrating with their European neighbours. Acknowledging that however would decentre the US and centre Eastern Europe, which is not their aim.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 lol wtf does anything that you say have to do with anything being said here ? 😂

[@bravesirrobin9576]

I’m only watching this segment because I appreciate the simple non-alarmist title and thumbnail

[@isopodracer]

krystal ball was right about something and sam seder was wrong? what world are we in

[@warlordofbritannia]

To paraphrase Lincoln, all people are wrong some of the time, and some people are wrong all the time. (And, of course, all people can’t be wrong all the time.) This is the first part in action

[@reptiliandoubleagent2550]

"America is evil because America doing things is evil because America is evil because America doing things is evil..."

[@Wheatthin21]

@@donovan4222Nope Vaush has never defended any such matter.

[@amelliamendel2227]

Well, the country was founded on genocide of the natives and slavery. I'm not sure if you get out of the house much but at least 1/4 have never changed their minds about those two things. Easily 1/4 of Americans would happily welcome back both slavery and genocide of anyone degenerate & differently raced tomorrow if the laws were changed.

[@Nuvizzle]

@@donovan4222 Germany did the literal holocaust so it's evil when they do universal healthcare therefore we can't have universal healthcare or we're basically Nazis.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 When you have no argument 😂

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 You have been lurking here for over an hour - Ivan - time to collect your check from Putin and go home to Chelyabinsk 😂

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

From "I disagree" to "this is wrong". Correct title correction

[@cosmosofinfinity]

What is with the lowercase though?

[@deadfr0g]

A horse is a horse, of course!

[@Argumemnon]

Usually, when you disagree with someone, you think they're wrong.

[@user-vq6hl5li5m]

@@donovan4222 Ok, so my knowledge about NATO expansion is from living in one of the countries NATO expanded to. I know, that xenophobic American left like to pretend that Eastern Europeans have no agency and it was all evilness of USA, but let me assure you: we have agency and we joined NATO on our own accord. It's not about imperial powers - is it American or Russian to decide what aliances we join. I know, hard to parse in your xenophobic head that people not being white westerners can have agency too.

[@findlesplurb]

​@@Argumemnon There's a significant difference between 'we have a difference of opinion' and 'you are factually incorrect.' Disagreeing on opinions is par for the course, disagreeing on facts means that someone is either ill-informed or speaking in bad faith.

[@Piratewaffle43]

Do these people want America to be an isolationist dystopia?

[@tomerkritz]

Yes

[@CaH6633]

Pretty much yeah

[@erikvan9582]

Yep,if we were like this during the 1930s and 40s instead of the soviet union we would be in a cold war with the Greater Nazi Reich and an Imperial Japanese Empire that controlled the entire Asian continent

[@ericseiz2014]

You obviously are not listening!

[@BasilAbdef]

They want more or less the total collapse of American power projection and global influence under the assumption that what rises up to take its place would be a dramatic improvement.

[@chrisanderson7820]

Majority Report has ALWAYS been completely out to lunch on foreign affairs. There are a bunch of KZbin political channels that seem as though the members went straight from school to failed philosophy major to KZbinr and just haven't existed in the actual world. They have no historical memory or relativity in their views.

[@chazcmeekins83]

I remember & am still glad Micheal brooks' conversations are still here on KZbin they're very informative

[@ReplicatorFifth]

@@chazcmeekins83 Michael Brooks was a real one. Rest in Power

[@wynoglia]

Emma and Sam have always been even handed with this But ever since Matt or Bradley (I can never tell who is who) became more prominent and speaking out They show has slowly gotten more American diabolist

[@m3gAnac0nda]

One of the 2 Matt is a known Russia s1mp / America bad type. Even Emma was a pro Putin , she toned it down tho

[@Umberto2]

@@m3gAnac0ndaEmma is not pro-Putin and never has been. Just a lie.

[@brandonellis8111]

Matt and Bradley sound similar but Matt sound more soy and pretentious

[@eddiefinlaw8045]

@@m3gAnac0nda lmao wtf are you talking about?

[@mr.dirtydan3338]

Everyone does thing you agree and don't agree with. I don't personally agree with their ukrain take. But I do agree with the majority of what is said on that show. Just like vaush, disagree with some, agree with most. The number one problem with the left is the stupid fucking infighting

[@stephaniegeorge6444]

Vaush i gotta tell you, I've spoken to many lefty intellectuals & could never really put my words quite right in my disagreement with these ppl. I appreciate the brain growth & clarity dude. Cheers.

[@walexander8378]

Anti-Russia is not the term. Its anti-Putin regime. If leadership can change and suddenly nobody is anti-Russia then it isn't anti-Russia its anti-current Russian leadership.

[@andrewsveikauskas]

11:22 did he just call Lithuania unimportant former Nazis???? Man that would make so much Lithuanian blood boil. Lithuania existed before Russia... it was also independent before 1939. They wanted independence, not Nazi or Soviet rule, so both the Nazis in 1939 and the Soviets in 1941 were not welcome.

[@OOool]

literally was going to say countries, then self-corrected and said "populations" because he can't even grant countries other than America and russia legitimate statehood!? way to tell on yourself

[@spankflaps1365]

The problem with LW tankies, is they are oblivious to the 20th century (World Wars and Cold War). All they know about is Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, the British Empire, and the slavery era. This is their entire world view.

[@joshuacampbell1625]

Anything that can be twisted as America bad is used to paint a picture of the US being the ultimate global evil, while the very really atrocities committed by the USSR, PRC and other left wing dictatorships are "propaganda" or completely justified. These people poison the well for basically all leftists, and there's a reason socialists struggle in elections.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

I mean... they'd probably also bring up Vietnam and the Contras.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

So why is it okay for Russia to do to a Ukraine what the US did to Vietnam? "AMERICA BAD!" is always about supporting Russian foreign policy.

[@Bayard1503]

Expanding NATO doesn't mean US hegemony necessarily. Also, what spending?? Doesn't increasing the power of NATO mean that US needs to spend less?? Also, there were no American troops in Eastern Europe until the annexation of Crimea in 2014. That was the moment when the Baltics and Poland kind of freaked out and they demanded the presence of NATO troops on their border so not only American troops were sent but they were again token troops, not significant in any way.... On the other hand hundreds of soldiers from Eastern Europe had already died in Iraq and Afghanistan...

[@FaithfulofUltramar]

Daniel Bessner isnt a vatnik but hes just like that guy at the party that somehow turns every conversation into how American Imperialism has ruined the taste of Cheetos.

[@table_salt]

And he's right.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 Yo, Ivan, fancy meeting you here 😂 long time no speak 😂

[@WYCD]

THANK you! That irked me but I didn't know how to talk it out live. Great assessment, Vaush.

[@alexkats30]

"I want everyone to be in NATO" NATO is a military alliance. If everyone is in it then who is it protecting from? The idea that these alliances are innocent purely defensive pacts and that they can lead to peacefully unite us all so we can all sing cumbaya together is a childish Vaush notion and the reason why he gets so much stuff wrong when it comes to foreign policy and NATO

[@deeznoots6241]

I mean that’s kind of the point, if everybody is in it and any aggression faces the wrath of the entire world then you have effectively created world peace

[@fromeveryting29]

I can't say I have all the facts on this, but even IF nato is a bad organization, that doesn't justify Russia VIOLENTLY INVADING Ukraine with zero attempts at help from us (other countries). Actors may have good reason (descriptively) to be compelled to do what they do, but that does not equate to moral justification. Vaush is 100% correct on this, in my estimation, as a philosophy and political theory student.

[@davitdavid7165]

I think sarcasmitron's video about nato expansion is a perfect way to see the issue.

[@twenty-fifth420]

It is very good, it also has a new part coming up, which is still baking in the content oven. Of course that one will be god tier too. My concern is that people conflate NATO with the US while ignoring other countries political autonomy. It is why those kind of titles about NATO and Imperialism usually read to be like a loaded statement.

[@scrubjay93]

To be honest, I wish every Majority Report show was just Sammy commenting on the day's news.

[@warlordofbritannia]

I like Emma, I think she’s right on a lot of things and brings a good perspective to the MR. But dear god she’s so horribly wrong on this issue that makes me cringe 😂

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@donovan4222 I’m not a liberal though…?

[@triangleunderstander]

the u.s giving weapons to ukraine is very much a "the worst person you know just made a great point." beyond that the big questions are 1. will it become a "forever war," and 2. will american investors swoop in to "save" (indebt) ukraine afterwards.

[@joshuacampbell1625]

We don't know right now, and to be honest I don't think Ukraine cares at the moment, that's a tomorrow problem, and they have a much more pressing issue today

[@Harsh-mg2em]

Ukrainians are their own people, please don't talk about them as if these are your choices to make. If Ukranians want to keep fighting, it's their country, if they want to stop, that's their choice too. I see Americans talk about ending this war as if you really have the power to influence cultures that have been in various state of conflicts before the US existed. The only thing you can do is stop giving Ukranians weapons, it doesn't mean they will welcome their colonialists, it just means they will do it with molotovs from their balconies, like at the start of the war.

[@joshuacampbell1625]

@@donovan4222 I'm not american, go figure. And I never claimed to speak for Ukraine, I only say what I've seen and heard over the year and a half. I've seen many of your comments over that time too, and you speak with far more arrogance then me. So go back and hide under your rock until Vaush releases another video u can peddle your bullshit on.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 when you have no argument 😝

[@Nuvizzle]

It will absolutely be a forever war. Russia trying to occupy Ukraine is going to go far worse than our attempts to occupy the middle east. It only ends when Russia pulls out which is only going to happen when Putin dies (because he's never going to retire or lose one of Russia's infamously fraudulent elections).

[@rifter0x0000]

I don't know how Sam ended up being so ignorant about Afghanistan, but NATO had zero involvement in Afghanistan. The mission in Afghanistan didn't fit what NATO is for, and most of the member states didn't want anything to do with it. We formed a coalition ti invade Afghanistan just as we did in invading Iraq both times. I think the distinction is important because the accusation is that NATO as an organization has been belligerent, but that is not true. NATO has always been a purely defensive treaty. Just because the US invades people does not mean NATO does.

[@greycoloris7665]

I got banned in their chat during this segment for stating, iirc, "NATO is still a defensive alliance" or smt like that 😆 Immediately punished for smt that amounts to a mild, reasonable strategical disagreement. Out of pure ideology. No regrets. Said "has no point" or smt. Manufacturing Consent still at work, in a community which has been told about that stuff every day for over a decade. ... And the reply I got with it was basically "WHAT ABOUT LIBYA!!?" like... sure, _that's_ the really important point nobody in the discourse is willing to bring up. Except everyone right of Joe Rogan 🤷‍♂ Huh...

[@sperez5402]

I mean they destroyed one of the most prosperous nations in africa i think that is a Valid point to make.

[@greycoloris7665]

​@@sperez5402 ... not with regard to whether it is a defensive alliance, no. 100% irrelevant, reductionist ideologal diarreah. tl;dr: People shouldn't just nod along with anything as soon as it fits their eXpectations - which is what is happening here, and nothing that has much to do with Libya at all. Becaaaaaause (excuse the long text): A) In the current discourse around NATO everybody terms it as the "arm of us imperialism" already - and the main point made on that basis is.... to not let them intervene against imperialism? The times article in question ignored this in favor of dogmatic contrarianism, Bessner ignored it for 1.5 years now, and so sadly has Sam, continuosly driveling on about a conversation on anti-interventionism supposedly nobody is having, except for, yk, half the country. and B) even if Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan and Atlantis and the Shire and the whole rest of the universe - it requires defensive framing, a much higher bar than just "US WANTS IT", as those superficial shock-doctrinites imply. Not that its not a huge consideration ofc, but their isn't direct and perfect congruence of interests either. Even for abuse, NATO needs a good excuse to function, was true every time so far. And some of those actually _are_ good. Ofc those good intentions were rarely followed through with. But good things were achieved for afghan Civil Society, which sadly ended when support could not be sustained - inspite of everything about that which was also outright wrong. And while they should ofc have replaced him with a strong, functioning, Socialist Republik, and committed to stableizing the whole region in general, instead of exploiting the living sh't out of it, Gadaffi was also pretty much a fascist. Kinda weird out of all the things to just _immediately_ jump to _that_ guys defense with no contextualization... This makes things much more nuanced, and the ony meaningful thing thats reliably true about NATOs role in a conflict, is that it's (technically) a defensive alliance, still. Very simply put, just because people have killed with hammers, doesn't make hammers "weapons" instead of "tools" - it's still (technicallly) optimized for driving nails, and that has relevant implications for it's threat potential. So you see, the "point" that mod made has less to do with the actual situation - which this narrative in the MR community is making somewhat worse even - than with trying to frame it by (and affirm) their ideological expectations. Yk... "america bad, but media will never say so!"... broad (and often reasonable) dogma. But it doesn't apply this time. In Sams case bc he operates mostly on generalities when it comes to foreign relations. And so, what is valid about the point - that a defensive alliance _can _*_potentially_* be abused in bad faith - the community ends up abusing for that. But i think that's purely ideologically driven, and not a constructive appoach to the discourse - and I think _I_ had a valid point there that reallly didn't warrant intervention, also bc that exacerbates said narrative... yk, self-perpetuating filters, Manufacturing Consent... it's not a great sign imho 😅

[@lou.yorke.x]

​​@@sperez5402 the Lybian civil war started before NATO got involved, Lybia self-destructed on its own

[@sperez5402]

@@lou.yorke.x no not true when they set up the no fly zone its what turned the tide of the war and led to Gaddafis defeat which before the intervention it it all but assured he would have defeated the rebels, and look at liyba now.

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 donovan is a russian talking point

[@onomatopoeia162003]

In the 1970's when that was brought up. That was when Neoliberalism started.

[@gabeitch3919]

Everytime I hear a leftie say imperialism I know its about giving ukraine to russia im getting really tired of it

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 you are a Russian stooge - this statement here shows that you support fascist Russia 😂

[@AlexDrums482]

I was starting to think NATO was an anachronism, then Putin invaded Ukraine...

[@lou.yorke.x]

OMG they are COMPLETLY clueless about fighter jets! F-16 is old tech, countries really want F-35. Duh!! If the F-16 wasn't 100% successful in Eukraine, no one would be surprised. The F-16 is NOT the US/NATO frontline fighter anymore.

[@WatchDeggySF]

Great Historical example of a Military Alliance being used as a form of Empire is Athen's "Delian League" before the Peloponnesian War!!!

[@Aadrian7]

NATO is good. Keeps my country safe. Full stop.

[@Aadrian7]

@@donovan4222 Iraq was mostly the US; NATO forces were requested, but it was by no means a NATO intervention. Same with Afghanistan for the most part after the whole fearmongering stopped. Yugoslavia was literally stopping a genocide, but I'm not sure you believe in that. Sure, let's say you have a point with Libya and maybe first year or so in Afghanistan, let's grant you that. What about Ukraine? Is it now NATO's fault that Russia invaded them? Is Russia ever guilty of anything or does tovarash Putin get a free pass?

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 donovan is a NATO simp 😊

[@jonathansurovell3516]

Weird how Bessner talks about post-WW2 US foreign policy being disastrous for the global south. That disaster began before that. It was certainly underway earlier, with the war on the Philippines.

[@WillTellU]

us in eastern europe having experienced lots of nonsense from foreign powers just wanted some guarantees that we could do our own thing without getting occupied. AND IMO we should just dump all the stockpiles in ukraine, w/e they need dump 10x that, because that will just end the war faster and save more lives, not to mention save more money for the west if that is your priority for some reason.

[@r.lewisblake7793]

I disagree. I think he is all of those things; dumb, malicious, and possibly a tanky. He is shown in your previous debate saying “I don’t think Putin’s going to invade“ then goes on to say“I may be wrong it’s happened before“. I am sure it happens often! Doesn’t change him putting out more stuff that he’s wrong about. Someone should ask him, why should anyone listen to him in the first place? Waste of time, in my opinion. (Another of those interviews that I’ve turned off on Majority Report)

[@bradhombre6912]

Turkey’s democracy problems have mostly come during the last decade or so. Turkey joined NATO way back in 1952. It’s more an issue of a country remaining in NATO as it moves away from democracy than it is an issue of an undemocratic nation joining NATO.

[@sperez5402]

Yeah and they work alot with Russia too 🙄

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 I think you need a long rest

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 sounds like you are a fascist 😂

[@tenchimuyo69]

Heh I wonder if I was in a "Russia won't invade" phase myself. Going over old Discord discussions I had, I can see I was on the "Russia won't invade on this oddly specific date that keeps getting thrown around in memes" and I was at least right about that I guess... but I guess I never assumed the invasion was off the table. An invasion is NEVER off the table.

[@TheRealAb216]

The date was right, Russia changed the date just so US Intel would be wrong😂.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

The problem that leftists have in this regard is that they treat the fact that America and the west in general do thing to advance their own interests are the end of the argument, when it should be followed up with "yes, and?" What's were alternative? What came up from it materially? you know, try to do historic and material analysis like every good leftist should do

[@kyle1235]

I feel like Sam Seder is a great example of how even someone who is very intelligent and knowledgeable is still vulnerable to get caught up in an echo chamber.

[@Neon_Plasma]

Doesn't help Emma's foreign politics is crap

[@kyle1235]

@@Neon_Plasma She's the conductor in the echo chamber orchestra.

[@Aperson156]

​@@donovan4222Pretty much, yeah. Thank you for summarizing the situation so well.

[@joemagarac405]

@@Neon_PlasmaEmma’s takes, even on football, are very frequently cringe-inducingly stupid.

[@kyle1235]

@@donovan4222 Who said anything about Vaush?

[@uninstaller2860]

By this logic they'd support the Warszawa pact, only if Russia hadn't been a part of it

[@gustavchambert7072]

It's too bad those criteria for NATO membership aren't used to kick out countries like Turkey. Or at least penalise them somehow....

[@Linkard]

So glad Vaush is talking about it! Nearly had a heart attack when I saw it in my recommended

[@neruneri]

@@donovan4222 OK Nazi

[@moose7012]

Jesus christ. For years I thought all the tankies mocking vaush for being a fake socialist were just tankies, but now I'm starting to see why they say that. Vaush constantly defends American imperialism

[@magnus_cockstrong]

​@@donovan4222what is anti left about fighting fascists trying to engage in military conquest?

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 when you have no argument 🥸

[@magnus_cockstrong]

@@donovan4222 scared to give an honest answer. That speaks volumes friend.

[@JFromAcc]

Much prefer listening to vaush on this stuff than hasan and other younger KZbinrs. He comes from a more sincere and realistic place. Maybe because he's American. And the MR crew throws around "American empire" so haphazardly as a catch-all that I can't really take them seriously. Vaush seems to get that there's more nuance to it and that, "America bad" doesn't always cut it.

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 when you have no argument 😜

[@Nuvizzle]

Hasan is literally older than Vaush

[@brentshowers741]

@@Nuvizzleyounger in the mind

[@julianmcmillan2867]

You know what's odd about tankies and pro Russia lefties? They'll either whole heartedly defend Russia for invading Ukraine and shame the U.S for protecting Western interests by giving Ukraine arms to prevent Western expansion. But, when America does the EXACT same thing that Russia is doing to Ukraine in South America, and Russia helps them in those countries, as was the case during the Cold War, then that's based and good. Like, is imperialism, racism and genocide only bad when America, the U.K and France do it? And is arms assistance only good when Russia does it?

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 Russian clown who has no argument 😂

[@burneternally]

If the f-16 looks bad, the manufacturer looks bad Edit: spelling PS the f-16 is not proven in truly contested airspace

[@FiniteVoid]

NATO did have an agenda despite countries wanting to join. These can be possible at the same time Vaush

[@Booga-tz8kj]

Yeah I think he basically says that at some point, the main point of this vid is that NATO is better than no NATO

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

NATO's agenda was pretty much "oh crap now we got to deal with these guys". Reminder: Poland got Yeltsin drunk and had him say Poland joining NATO was okay, and the US said no. Then Poland claimed that if they had no shot at NATO membership they'd start their own nuclear program. Finally Poland got with the Republican party and helped them criticize Bill Clinton as a way to pressure him to accept them into NATO. They didn't just want to join. They were willing to blackmail their way into NATO.

[@stepheng1523]

The more the merrier. All bets are off since Crimea.

[@fleebertreatise1063]

“If there’s another big power that we feel threatened by, then that’s used to justify heinous shit”. Why is it hard to understand that there will be other countries that want a taste of what we have (or may see the US as a threat)? A multipolar world is one where countries have “caught up” to us militarily, technologically, and economically. This is going to happen eventually. Other countries have watched the rise of the US and understand some of how that happened. Just like we have national narratives of success and domination, so do other countries. Right now the US controls almost all international waters, and has military bases all over. I guess other countries, if they want to do the same, will have to ask nicely and negotiate for a modified arrangement. I guess the main question is, why would other countries want to leave an alliance with us, if they would prefer to do so? Preventing that from happening would be a pretty central goal. Other countries currently have alliances like ASEAN and other types of organizations. The point I think is usually local cooperation for shared goals. But what would it look like with more of these alliances that exclude the US? I agree some of our foreign policy is good, but enough of it has issues that I wouldn’t be concerned if other countries want to eventually ally themselves in other ways.

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 slava donovan

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 🤡

[@jonahchurch792]

Can someone explain to me why I should support Russian imperialism over American imperialism? Because ultimately, that’s what we’re discussing here. And at the end of the day, I’d rather deal with the devil that l know rather than the one I don’t.

[@qwe123303]

You aren't choosing anything. You literally have no power. Stop acting like you or Vaush's opinions on this matter at all.

[@richardarriaga6271]

19:20 People forget about the Russian invasion of Transnistria, severing it from Moldovia in the 90s. There is a massive Russian ammo stockpile there today.

[@cobrakaier238]

The MR is getting worse with everything I see. Can't believe I was ever holding them in high regard.

[@wilhelmheinzerling5341]

Love how these 2 clowns just completely breeze over the 90s in regards to NATO

[@lukesenesac]

Daniel Bessner is a realist, he simply can't wrap his head around the idea that people might fight for idealistic reasons instead of the vague machinations of a foreign policy blob. Which is ironic considering how idealistic left wing politics purports to be. He's a blinkered clown.

[@jascu4251]

Its one o the ironies of realism, that it doesnt take this into account. For realism to work, all actors must ALSO be realists, including voters. This leads to frustration for many realists, as it means people aren't doing what they're supposed to do under realist theory

[@lukesenesac]

If you see Daniel Bessner you know you're about to hear some bullshit.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

Good God that smarmy little man rubs me the wrong way. He has a really obnoxious habit if citing _secondary_ sources in live conversation ("read _ by ___..." ) and whenever he says "*I* would argue..." you may be firmly assured that the locution that follows will bear no superficial resemblance to an argument.

[@Erinski]

NATO dissolving was one of the pre-requisites for "Red Dawn" happening...also issues with the wheat harvest in Ukraine...Yee haw, let's go, motherfuckers! (chk-chk)

[@transfurom]

I know its cope but for the record Poland considers itself as central Europe not Eastern

[@embrikchloraker8186]

The boundary is ultimately completely arbitrary. I consider it more cultural than anything else. I expect in the coming decades, Ukraine will eventually be considered Western.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

Yeah, and New Jersey considers itself the westmost borough of New York City. I gotcha easton yorrip right heeya, pal!!... 😉😉

[@SS-xr7jf]

When people are talking western it’s in terms of western vs eastern, not in terms of actual geographical placement. Otherwise it’s very clearly central lol

[@Vosk21]

Hmm interesting...have you considered however, and this might come off as a bit edgy, but have you considered that....America bad????? Lefty newscaster takes on foreign policy are about as inspired as the rick and morty fanbase

[@ericseiz2014]

Ooohhh! You are edgy! Did you come up with that all by yourself?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

"Look at me Shoigu, I turned myself into a pickle! I'm pickle Putin!"

[@monkerud2108]

when it comes to the f-16, its a platform that can carry a lot of different good weapons, for air to air or air to ground, its no wonder weapon, its a good jet that would do well in a dogfight, ofc the ukrainians wont be doing that much close in dogfighting i dont think, maybe here and there, but because of air defence, what planes mostly do is fly around max range from a target and send missiles or lob rockets or bombs from low altitude. the f-16 will do just fine at the standard stuff almost no matter what, but beyond that we will have to see, its a good plane. the major new thing that will come with the f-16 are more total airplanes of course and more types of weapons that can be utilized, given that ukraine has a smaller airforce already and the airspace is contested by air defences in many areas the ukrainians are already being quite consevative and i dont think that will change a whole lot with the f-16. i dont think it makes sense to say that the f-16 migth get trashed in ukraine, ofcourse it might but i dont think it will do much worse than the mig 29s at any rate, it will probably be more successful i think due to better weapons and supply potentially, so two main things to take away at level one of understanding the f-16s impact, it will enable the west to more easily supply the ukrainian air assets, and they get more planes total with more kinds of weapons. those two alone make a huge difference to their air capability almost regardless of how good an f-16 is, it could be just a stock standard crappy jet and still have a nice impact if these two things are true, so i think that works in favor of the f-16 anyway, even if its equivalent to giving them migs adapted to western weapons i would say its worth it, but i still think that the f-16 is better in general and for this kind of war. but still the f-16 is a dangerous jet to dogfight, pilots seem to like it, its a single engine jet that is fast at low speeds which is really nice, good radar, nice weapons whats not to like, granted you cant just fly around and expect to just dodge anti air, but thats true for everything except the 22/35 and so on in certain cases. you dont need to know the details that well, you just need to know everything about the jet just that its good enough and will help Ukraine a bunch in boring ways regardless of whether it builds an image as a wunderwaffe along the way, u know like the leopards, yes we have seen losses but more than likley the leos are holding up better for the crews than most soviet tanks would, the numbers are small so we cant really get definitive stats on it from the war, but the western gear has probably already saved lives of people trained on those platforms, saving not only soldiers but their experience as well, which is actually massive in a protracted war with a manpower disadvantage, even minor % gains in survival when losing or temporarily losing a system constitutes both huge savings for the military but also saves lives, so i would say after carefully considering the data that giving them systems even if it doesnt end the war with a mortal combat finisher is infact worth doing, and the effects are coomulative, as you build more experience that also leads to a reduction in losses over time, the boring small details matter, and the f-16 will also give a bunch of small buffs to the ukrainian air force that will over time probably make a huge difference. my bet would be that like with the himars we dont see a lot of grand propaganda shots of entire areas of trench being bombarded by heroic tubes full of rockets, but there will probably be a lot of new of jets firing long range munitions at whatever, anti radiation missiles(basically they aggro air defence radars), air to ground munitions for targets behind enemy lines ect, a lot of jobs the himars would do, just with longer range and probably targeting air defenses a bit more often, in this kind of role primarily we wont see massive losses unless ukraine is being overambitious in hunting S-300/S-400 systems with anti radiation missiles or something like that, there might very well be losses, its a war but i think the f-16 will hold up fine if they use it responsibly. the broader impact at level 2 f-16 understanding depends on a lot of stuff like how well the Russians will deal with anti radiation missiles for example, if ukraine can use them well, then the f-16 will enable ukraine to operate more freely with their air assets which could make a huge difference, but if the russians can negate them or manage to shoot down the planes hunting them consistantly then maybe the impact will be lesser, who knows we will see. so conclusion; f-16 based, but how big of an impact it will have is quite contingent on a bunch of stuff that is mostly contained within level 3 of the f-16, which is actually knowing more than simple facts about the plane and weapon systems, and that actually no joke requires an actual understanding of the subject and is left as an exercise to anarcho bidenist cult apprentices to do their own research about.

[@rwicerino]

why say few words when you can say all the words

[@maciejglinski6564]

im not even complaining about the amount of text but for the love of god at least use paragraphs and punctuation

[@Inaf1987]

Vaush needs to shoutout Sarcasmitron

[@mikepatton7153]

They booted me from the MR comments cause I asked how much they hated America …

[@eddiefinlaw8045]

Sounds like you were trying to get a rise out of them and they weren't having your bullshit

[@GuanYuber]

Honest question - what's wrong with Jacobin? I only recently learned about them when I started reading up on the upcoming UAW strikes and I thought they had some good coverage.

[@shanihandel9621]

The are excellent IMO. Jacobin is a publication of the DSA, so like the DSA, it's not uniform. There are a range of opinions including on Ukraine, so you'll see variation there. Same with the Democratic Party vs. Third Party. You'll see articles on both sides, and they'll also respond to each other. They also have really good book reviews!

[@tomerkritz]

​@@donovan4222 Honest question - whats wrong with you ? You have been here for several days now... That just concerning Chil dady

[@tomerkritz]

@@donovan4222 i am not a bro of fascists 😂

[@SonicTheo]

why are all the prominent leftists on YT ignoring the New Mexico gun law thing that right wingers are outraged about?

[@MensHominis]

6:30 There could be a fallacy hiding here. Sure, you can say: “That’s not necessarily bad, it’s just the product of alliances.” But you might just as well turn that around: “That may be the product of alliances but that doesn’t mean it’s a good way.” Because the former argument kind of sounds like: “Exploitation and inequality may not necessarily be bad, they are just natural products of economy/of capitalism.” Mind you, I’m fully with Vaush on Russia and Nato. I just found this argument kinda weak or applicable in more senses than he might like.

[@AntifascistAllDay]

The entire chat was bitching during the entire interview, not sure why Sam had them on. It was one of the most annoying interviews...actually Hinkle was actually the most annoying and stupid with his constant condescension while spewing ignorance.

[@j.c6204]

Thank u Vaush for everything u do. I cant listen to this, I get to upset.

[@wilhelmheinzerling5341]

The majority report has become a joke honestly

[@jesuisungrandewilly]

>anyone disagrees with neocon/CIA foreign policy >Vowsh: "I disagree" le debate master fedplant face

[@catbiscuits4424]

The comment from V about a militarily unipolar world being better then a multipolar world, in part because people who feel safe will be peaceful... This is the geopolitical equivalent of saying if your employer makes enough money then they can give you, The humble worker, your fair share. The massive difference in bargaining power between a sole global hegemon and their clients create conditions for extremes in human misery and violence.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

It's either that or warlord wars on global scale.

[@catbiscuits4424]

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 No, Warlords are the thing that tend to crop up after the more formal structures of national government are taken down "regime changed" if you will. But what's interesting to me about these glib little answers from yanks and their wannabes is that it's not like the U.S government turns around after treating foreigners like lesser people and then treats its own citizens with any special care or consideration. Your average U.S citizen pays for the countries aggressive actions to the tune of Trillions with a T yet sees no share of the treasure nor is there even typically any success so It's strange to see so many taking critique personally. Going it to bat for your politicians, banks and State Dept.

[@shaihuludthemaker]

Yeah that was a facile take from Vaush, particularly since you can flip the question to the perspective of other powerful nations and quickly realize they probably don't want to live in a US-unipolar world and their efforts to prevent such result in chaos. We are closer to nuclear war than during the Cold War FFS, but who cares, as long as we're morally in the right.

[@filipmaly6603]

Yeah good old days of Hapsburg going full ape sh*t against France, Sweden and Denmark having friendly wars over who will rule who, Poland -Lithuanien being embroiled in endless wars with Muscovy and Ottomans and England going toe to toe with Spain and Netherlands who would ethnic clense more natives over the sea. Yeah so much superior era to this boring one!

[@EdwardSkihands]

F-16 increases the range of Ukraine's missiles a lot when it can fire them so high, missiles Ukraine has aren't available for aircrafts Ukraine has now

[@bobby6427]

The gloss over to 2004 was very telling lmao.

[@angies.7689]

I agree with Vaush here. I have been an avid viewer of MR for five years now but I found these guests to be of dubious character and intentions.

[@eaglecohort5259]

Some people are confused about the F-16 point so I may wanna provide some insight. We’re sending mid-lifespan, semi-modernized F-16 variants to Ukraine. This is not a demonstration of the US’s latest and greatest weapon systems, the platform is on its way to retirement. This decision is purely to deliver the Ukrainians additional capabilities in 2 key areas, SEAD and air to air interception of both cruise missiles and Russian fixed wing air strikes at the front. While the Ukrainians are currently using HARM missiles to hunt Russian anti-air platforms, they’re essentially jury-rigged to legacy Soviet aircraft and only the missiles passive sensing mode is likely in use; with an F-16’s fully-integrated sensor suite it becomes a much more formidable and adaptable system as its active, adaptable seeking capabilities can be enabled. The second is that air to air, the Ukrainians are fighting valiantly but they’re just at a technical mismatch with more modern Russian aircraft because the Russians have better radars than their old mig-29’s, and Russian missiles like the R-77 can be fired and then hone in on their target independently, allowing them to turn immediately after firing. The Ukrainians currently have to fire missiles, guide them close to target with their own aircraft’s radar, then turn. Imo, it’s a testament to the skill and bravery of Ukrainian pilots that the air war has been so closely fought so far, and I can’t wait to see what they do when the odds are a little more even.

[@averagecitizen4122]

Vaush's points about defending Ukraine is fine. But anything outside of that like saying Korea was complicated??? Basically saying America needs to stay the only dominant world power because otherwise America would be angry and start more wars. I forgot how much of a lib he is when it comes to anything outside of the US.

[@Bayard1503]

So Estonia is not part of the "core of Russia" although it's literally miles away from the former capital of Saint Petersburg but Georgia all the way in the Caucasus is??? Idiotic. That has nothing to do with it... it was all about what power Putin was capable of projecting at the time. In 2004 he couldn't say no, yet. As simple as that.

[@Brian-bw3uu]

I love how after he admits that well, yeah they joined to stay safe from the Russians, his rebuttal is but what's in it for us? What's in it for the US? As if his standard metric for goodness is American self-interest. In fact, everything else he said was a rejection of that kind of geopolitics! So yeah morality-based arguments all day long but when it comes to Ukraine it's realpolitik muthafuckers

[@TheDansParty]

You definitely have overlap between the two of your channels, as I've been an MR viewer for about a decade.

[@lou.yorke.x]

Excellent analysis Vaush! Don't listen to the NATO haters. NATO and the UN are good things.

[@sperez5402]

The un is good but sadly it's very ineffective because if the way it was build since 1 country can veto anything and also never forget about liyba my guy hahaha

[@lou.yorke.x]

@@sperez5402 what did UN do wrong vis-à-vis Libya?

[@lou.yorke.x]

@@sperez5402 the one country veto thing only applies to the UN Security Council, not to all UN business

[@sperez5402]

@@lou.yorke.x no not the un that was obviously nato.

[@AceofDlamonds]

I knew Vaush was going to speak on this :D

[@johnevans6629]

The majority report is pretty boring

[@ericseiz2014]

That'll learn em!

[@razorednight]

Ofc ppl outside of the USA are going to wonder what exactly does the USA want from an alliance. Weaker countries join up for protection. But the USA is not in the region. And it doesn't do anything simply because of altruism. So what does the USA stand to gain? (This is a rhetorical question. I know what I think the answer is.)

[@jordand5555]

Lol pizza planet graphic tee w/ suit jacket. Poor choice to be taken seriously. Vaush is proof that you don't have to dress schlubby as a schlubby lookin guy

[@milestailprower]

I actually like that pizza planet t-shirt lol. Even though he's got the drip, his arguments are not good.

[@kastanie7445]

Germany is Central Europe.

[@CybershamanX]

(32:49) The F-16 has seen plenty of use in war zones. I don't know where this guy got that idea. Maybe if you look at just U.S. owned and operated ones? 🤷‍♂️ Either way he's talking out of his ass. 😜

[@tasillk2824]

Korea wasn’t all that complicated…

[@m3gAnac0nda]

The guest on the right is a known PDF

[@jayrodthered]

Vorch 🐴