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Josh Strife Says is the official Twitch clips/Highlights channel for Josh Strife Hayes. This channel features Best Moments of Josh Strife Hayes, Best of Tangent Tavern Podcast with Callum Upton and sometimes clips from Session Zero DND Group which Josh DM's (Dungeonmaster) for players RageDarling, BillieTrixx and Callum Upton. Josh often talks about multiple MMORPGS like World of Warcraft (WoW), Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV), Guild Wars 2 (GW2), Runescape (RS3), Old School Runescape (OSRS), New World, Diablo, Path of Exile, Tera, Otherland and other games such as Skyrim, Oblivion, Dragon Age. Some of the best content of Josh Strife Hayes is his React videos with Asmongold reacts and Zepla.
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[@briansilva3765]

Josh's patreon has a very good incentive, to see how smaller he can make the names and how bigger the list can get at the end of his videos.

[@tbone9474]

Is there a small enough police size to make them visible on a decent sized monitor? We'll find out

[@StratoJunon]

Can confirm, its getting harder and harder to find my name in the list. and i love it

[@bunnylovingbastard]

Honestly, I am tempted to become a patron when my finances sort themselves out just to be part of the problem 🤣 Best incentive ever

[@KalebsRevenge]

this is why i kinda wish i could afford to. josh has best patreon XD

[@ArDeeMee]

A worthy cause.

[@jeloxale]

Imagine if all companies were as real as Josh is. Customers would be able to tell quality products more easily, which would mean only the ones who actually believe in their product would survive.Josh is truly one of the spokesmen of time.

[@UriGerhard]

Unfortunately, being real is the opposite of profitable

[@pyramear5414]

Being real is not the opposite of profitable, it just isn't the *most* profitable. Some people are too greedy to life a comfortable and honest life, they demand exorbitant levels of wealth.

[@swordzanderson5352]

@@pyramear5414 It is, it just isn't short-term. But if people continue to chase fashion and trends, brands that are hollow and scammy continue prospering. Which companies? *_I_* wouldn't know. :)

[@Ghost101]

I'm glad you brought up Vampire Survivors 9:30 because that game, its dlc and soundtrack are worth every penny. I love that game.

[@Frostycrypton]

21:11 The comedic timing of this message cannot be understated.

[@chickenmonger123]

“They have their reward.”

[@kasterixprime]

One of the funniest parts about this whole thing, is how most of those 'business' types would kill to have people further support them without needing to promise anything beyond what they were already doing. It would be absolutely alien to so many of them, "So we just had to make a product you liked, at a fair price, and just not expect to become overnight millionaires... This whole time?"

[@darius_defiant]

I feel like the best way to go about it is to do whatever you want with the money as long as there is no deterioration in the current quality/quantity of videos, and to not tell the supporters what the "extra" money is going to. The main reason for telling them would be for wanting praise, but you want to genuinely support local theatre groups. I don't think it's a matter of "lying" or "hiding" anything. As long as they continue to get the videos they expect, then it's win-win. If you *do* tell people, someone will always be unhappy about it because they are *not* donating for altruistic reasons. Some want the money to go to you and only to you because they want your appreciation, a sliver of your attention, not your actual happiness or even videos. Personally, I would be more than honored if a creator I supported had enough 'extra' money and chose to spend it on charity rather than personal luxury. The latter makes me more annoyed, to some extent. Not that people don't deserve the fruits of their efforts, but sometimes its hard to know just how much money a creator is making and the more they splurge on themselves while barely putting more into content... is frustrating. But I support people (when I can) because I want the world to be a better, more friendly place. Humbly "paying it forward" is absolutely the best way to go, imho.

[@moonasha]

egotistical altruism seems like a win-win to me. The donator gets to feel good. And the person receiving money gets to feel good. Very few things in life are so clear cut win-win

[@AlmightyOmmm]

You can be a benevolent narcissist. But I wouldn't call them altruistic if its in pursuit of reward of some sort.

[@cherryleafy101]

I always assume when I subscribe to someone's patreon that the money goes towards them feeding themselves and any extra content I get to see is just a bonus.

[@Dvinven]

I like to play a video of yours while going to bed. Hearing your voice going on about various details is kind of relaxing and helps me sleep. Have you considered doing ASMR?

[@psykedude]

The way I see it patrons replace the role of a company hiring you for a job. What we care about is you having enough money to continue producing content instead of pursuing a different career. If I'm unhappy with the content you produce I'll stop paying, but beyond that I don't actually care about what you do with your money.

[@robertwendal5894]

Question, what if the business is actually passionate about the product they are trying to get you to sponsor? Wouldn't that merit your own criteria of creative content and be worthy of promotion?

[@theotherjared9824]

Is someone doing a good thing for a bad reason still good? How about a bad thing for a good reason?

[@vollkerball1]

09:38 yes, crazy concept. Here is a game pay for it and be done with it.

[@Endelin]

Time to start a "Worst Mobile Games Ever" series, sponsored by the game in question 😂

[@yaminarthem1977]

I remember that the Albion video was sponsored by Albion. It could be cool to see how much damage Josh can do to the games and how many try to sponsor a video before no Mobil game companies send emails

[@gavinmorton7682]

@@yaminarthem1977 Was about to mention that exactly xD

[@holyknightthatpwns]

I feel like Patreon has an implicit agreement that you'll continue to make the things to the quality that you have been and fulfill any tier rewards, but that's it. People can stop supporting you if they have an issue with what you're doing, but they don't own you and they don't own the money after they've given it to you

[@Dyanosis]

While it's true that you never truly "own" anyone by giving them money, you do own a share of the service that they provide and should have a say, and be heard, about the service you're paying for. Like buying stock in a company. Or paying for your electricity bill. Your statement is slightly confusing. Here's an example about what confuses me: You pay for electricity. The understanding between you and your provider is that you pay money, they provide electricity to your home. You think that means all the time. They think that means whenever it's convenient for them. So they only give you electricity for 6 hours a day. Not always in contiguous chunks. And some days you have no electricity. Is that what you paid for? Is that the service you want? If you stop paying, you won't have any electricity at all. But if you complain to them, according to your ideology, they don't have to do a damn think about it because they're already "fulfilling their part of the deal".

[@holyknightthatpwns]

@@Dyanosis when you pay for electricity, you are purchasing a service. When you support an artist on patreon, you are only purchasing a service if that is explicitly part of the agreement. That service might be exlusive videos, that service might be getting a shout out, or who knows what else. In this channel's case, there are no patreon rewards - you are explicitly not purchasing a thing when you support Josh on Patreon. There is no formal agreement, there is no guarantee - there is only the expectation that he continues to make quality content, and the understanding that if he doesn't you'll probably stop supporting him. You're confused because you don't understand the difference between purchasing and supporting. Regarding stocks (which are irrelevant, because that's not what he's selling) - you do own a portion of the company, but you do not get to tell the company how to operate unless you own a substantial portion of it - a larger percent than most patreon subscribers actually provide.

[@GreenLarsen]

@@Dyanosis Not sure how it is in the UK (or wherever you live), but generally you pay for the electricity you have used, not what you will use in the future (at least where I live). In the same way I look at Patreon, I pay for the content that I have already consumed and enjoyed. I might hope that you will continue providing similar content, but if not, then I will not pay again next time. In this way, it is different from a physical product, and this make sense. Since a physical product that do not live up to my expectations, I can return. I can hardly "un-see" a vid. So here it makes more sense to get the "product" first and then pay. But that's just me

[@zeejustin6]

@@holyknightthatpwns The notion that patreons somehow own or should influence Josh's future content or something like a stakeholder is absurd if that's what is being argued in any way.

[@chidori0117]

@@Dyanosis The difference here is that if you dont pay for electricity you dont get it. If you support on Patreon you are not paying for a service you are donating. You can get access to the same content if you dont pay. People dont just owe you just because you decided to give them money out of your own decision. (Patreon support exclusives are an execption to this since you are paying for those but this is the only thing you are paying for not the content itself. But for those it is clearly stated what you will recieve and if you dont you should withdraw your support). Patreon support is not a purchase of service. You are also not a stakeholder you have no financial risk in the operation of the channel and you can withdraw your support at any time therefore you do not have any control about it.

[@thomsen256]

I think Patreon members want to support you and your current content but I think most of them would be happy for you to produce whatever high quality content feels right. You're the star.

[@DannehBoi90]

I'm not a Patreon of Josh, but I am one of two other creators. If either of them decided to make a donation to something related to the field they have most interest in because they want to support some fun, I'd be 100% behind it. There also is always the option of adding a Donation link somewhere, like in a Twitch command or in a video's description, that's all for raising funds for something you believe in.

[@Xanthelei]

11:12 "People are paying for you not to take a certain action" - Viza, explaining how Josh's Patreon is actually a protection racket

[@Alresu]

A nice little phone game ad free channel you have there. Would be a shame if someone had to... sponsor it...

[@christaylor7079]

Wake up babe, a new Strife Hayes video just dropped

[@zerooskil7161]

Comment for me im literally waking up 🤣

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

Yes dear....

[@Torguish]

Honey i know, already on my 2nd monitor.

[@remondx8880]

Hunk Strife Hayes

[@MrGelowe]

Some people get pleasure from the act of helping another. So technically speaking they are being selfish. But main question is whether being selfish a bad thing and whether all selfishness is the same. And the answer is probably no to both questions. For example if I want to be selfish by wanting to breath fresh and clean air, nothing wrong with that kind of selfishness. Alternatively you can be selfish by only having clean air for yourself while ruining it for others, that type of selfishness is bad.

[@x3TripleAce3x]

Giving help and receiving recognition makes it a transaction, so it's not altruistic. Doesn't make it bad just makes it different.

[@Creepernom]

​​@@x3TripleAce3xthat's just a silly definition of altruism. If I help out a charity with my labour and they thank me for it, is it not altruistic behaviour because I wasn't completely anonymous, and thus recieved "recognition" for my help? If it's completely unattainable, then it's also a completely useless definition.

[@ahouyearno]

Something can be two things at the same time. In this case it would be both altruistic and selfish and that’s fine

[@0cellusDS]

Astrology fan: "I wonder which planet is making me sad." Me: "Earth!"

[@Joe-it2dh]

As long as the content is NOT interrupted, the service people are paying you for, then do whatever you want with your money, its your money that you earned by way of your content. Your boss shouldnt complain about what you do on the weekend, as long as it doesnt impact your job. I highly recommend the Asmon route of investing it until you have enough that you can fund everything you want without it impacting your security.

[@Bankosek]

a clip channel that makes ~30 minute clips, this could only be Josh

[@Awlerr]

Daily dose of Josh ✅

[@iamcerealman102]

Saint Joshua of Runescape 🙏

[@Mlyodas]

Ironically, this was the best advertisement to his patreon.

[@Mediados]

Ultimately there is not much wrong with wanting to be recognized after doing something good. You shouldn't be angry or insulted if you don't, but it is still a good thing. If 10 rich egoists would help people for the glory, the world would already be better.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Not true at all, because they start making problems eventually to be fixed. In fact there was an issue where companies polluted more by polluting less. Companies are often responsible for 70% or more of pollution be it waste or other things. They will often reduce one aspect by 20% but raise something else by that 20%. So if you have 70-20+20 you end up with 70. They get praised for doing well only to turn out they are in reality being praised for lying.

[@MinosML]

​​@@Buglin_Burger7878you're confusing only wanting to appear as altruistic in the public eye vs feeling good with yourself because you're actually doing a good deed Those are very different things

[@heatrayzvideo3007]

I was about to send josh a few grand on patreon but I decided not to be selfish. I got the money from a dodgy sponsorship I do for Benson & Hedges. Also Josh if you read this please finish the mmo history series.

[@redelfshotthefood8213]

Kindness is a gift to the giver. But it is also a gift to yourself. It’s the basis of civilization. This video is the kind of video I subscribed for. I’m not an MMO player. But I enjoy the thoughtfulness and kindness of JSH. A balm.

[@pikmints]

"Maybe i have an old school way of looking at things" Yeah, it does seem like relying on merit and integrity to succeed is becoming less common. Both in terms of companies' priorities as well as consumers'.

[@Hotshot2k4]

Gotta disagree on the note of consumers. Consumers are becoming more and more jaded and distrustful - or at least I am, and it's what I observe around me, but I guess I can't speak for everyone. At this point it is only unpaid word of mouth that I trust when it comes to buying anything over $100 or so, or youtubers whom I've watched for a long time and who have demonstrated integrity. Like I'd have no reservations about buying LTT products if I made more money, because I know even if something goes wrong, that they'll make it right. My opinion of companies or products literally lowers when I see their advertisements, and are only raised up when I hear someone speak positively of them without being paid to do so. Similarly, the kind of sponsorships I see youtubers hawk has a big impact on how much I'd trust the things they say outside of those sponsorships. Integrity matters to me, because the only vote I have when it comes to the consumer world around me is the vote of my wallet. And while mine is just is a drop in the ocean, oceans are made up of drops, so we can influence the business practices that succeed by choosing which ones we financially support.

[@cookies23z]

@@Hotshot2k4 while I think a decent amount of people are like this, to at least some degree... I also think there are a LOT of people tired, who cant/dont give a shit anymore after how much work was a pain in the ass, and how much X Y Z stressed them out, and they just want to pay 20 dollars to feel ok for a bit, even if it is manipulative bullshit At least my take on it, not everyone is savvy, some dont care, some cant manage to care, some do

[@heavenly2k]

I don't know man. I think this is a bit reductive.

[@angusmcmillain]

That's what people have been saying recently. And throughout all time. I think it's more that they ways people get scammed change, not increase.

[@TheDoomBlueShell]

Sadly this don't mean your company will grow or even survive, like one of the best oil paints company in my country closed up because they thought that these two things are enough so they never gave money on marketing or used influencers, so people only knew they were good by word of mouth but oil painting being niche and most people that do being recluses you can bet how this worked out in end...

[@AlucardNoir]

Doubt Josh will ever read this but I did in fact unsubscribe from several KZbinrs I used to watch because they uploaded videos that were 1/3 sponsor spot. At that point I felt like I was no longer watching an education KZbinr but a shill for a product that made what he though was the bare minimum for a video just so he could put the sponsor spot in. And no, I'm not counting you as an education KZbinr, I'm just saying that at least one of the guys I unsubscribed from was in that category and made a 1/3 ad read video.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

I try to read every comment :)

[@the_markoman]

Josh getting into a moral wrestling match with his own thoughts, while chat are the orphans who don't care as long as they get what they already get xD

[@sarcastictruth9427]

Thank you for the Diablo Immortal video. You simultaneously saved me from a bad game and introduced me to one of my new favorite long form video makers. Your videos are EXCELLENT!

[@marshallmarcano6275]

I love what you do and doing this for you and the fans. You are a true GOAT!!!

[@Frink77]

That charity stream would be so cool, giving back to your community and helping kids put on the best show possible is more valuable than anyone could imagine, I think. Great content Josh

[@BuzzaB77]

"trust is the only long term currency" - Seth Godin

[@Fata59]

It's wild to me to see people bragging about the stuff they've bought from cash shops in mmos nowadays. 15+ years ago we would've called those people idiots and tell them they wasted their money - nowadays they advertise for the corpos for free. It's disgusting.

[@1IGG]

I still call them that, but you have a point, of course.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

It's really not a problem as long as it's purely cosmetics. Call them idiots, but if they enjoy the product they purchased then let the idiots pay. Some people have a lot of money. To some people a $20 cosmetic is mind blowingly expensive, to some $20 is literally nothing. Let the rich and desperate support the ongoing development of the game you enjoy. Don't call them idiots, call them shareholders that don't get anything lol

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 Right cosmetics are one thing, within reason. But I've seen people bragging about buying literal P2W, and thinking it makes them better. And the old arguments don't help them, because their garbage families failed them: 'It's like borrowing mommy's Lexus. And whenever someone says 'cool car', you have to tell them 'it's my moms'' 'Well, I'm still IN the car, so I win!' It's so stupid and self-obviously wrong, I don't even have an answer.

[@zerooskil7161]

Everything we ever do is rooted in some selfishness at all times. 🤔 And yet im arries 🤣 Josh i am finding you to do the nod, prepare thy self !!! 😆

[@chaosgyro]

Once something is given it is given. People have no further claim on what you do with that money after they have willingly decided it is yours.

[@sephestra.]

Came here to say this as well. It's the same with gifts.

[@geofff.3343]

Not in a patron relationship. If someone commissions you to make a painting you can't donate the money to a church for orphans it has to go to making that painting. What you can do is take it out of the money you allot for yourself and give a portion of that.

[@chaosgyro]

@@geofff.3343 Just because the service is called "patreon" doesn't mean these folks are patrons. They haven't specifically commissioned him to do any particular job. This is a donation support network not a work contract.

[@Sniperbear13]

just to be clear, there are exceptions; mainly in a Business contract sense where you say you will do X. but in the sense of what josh is talking about; yes, he has no obligation to spend the money on anything in particular.

[@sutirk]

Yeah, it's Josh's money If he stops making videos or decides to completely change his content and stark making prank videos, a big chunk of his audience will probably decide to stop giving him money It's a system that works for both sides, josh won't tell us which monitor we should watch his videos, and we won't tell him what to do with the money

[@TheRothphoto]

Feel like people that don’t work for themselves might struggle with this way of thinking but you’re 100% right in your process.

[@Booma4142]

Good is good. Enlightened self interest is one of the best ways people can actually use human nature for good.

[@Sniperbear13]

Good and Evil are just concepts Humans created. the reality is there is no true good or evil, just things we labeled as such.

[@excalibro8365]

@@Sniperbear13 Truth. Good and evil are concepts purely based on human feelings, nothing else.

[@P4iiZ]

Watching premium content from Josh Strife... is great, can't support you.. Kids are expensive.. sorry.

[@dyrinn45]

After the patrons give you the money, its your money. I support on and off and I think you should use the money however you see fit.

[@chelrok8764]

I thought this was a clips channel, not a VOD channel

[@JoshStrifeSays]

I'm whatever I want to be

[@kosviik9584]

@@JoshStrifeSays *"Reality is whatever I want it to be"

[@zac-1]

clip from an even longer vod

[@toter80]

I think you're holding yourself to a standard no one else is holding you to. There is a balance that can be had with having sponsorships and not taking ones that could be hurtful to the audience. As long as you maintain this balance, you can grow while also being able to achieve some of your long-term goals.

[@kay5676]

Rooky coming in clutch with the content.

[@boomknight1015]

Anything can be framed as selfish. You only care about friends because of the benifits they give you. You only help people expecting it to be paid back in some form. Say a good after life. Regardless of the reason, a good thing is always a good thing, so long the person isn't doing it with the intent to harm others in an under handed way.

[@boomknight1015]

Personally, when you pay for something and it goes to something the buyer doesn't agree with vs denoting is vary vary different. I'd say 80% of donated money should go right into living expenses or into making better content/making content." the other 20% can be what ever the person wants even if no one agrees. I feel like it's fair for the most amount of people because most of the money went to what they wanted it to go to.

[@adrianmartin-ef8dt]

well most big donation these days just for money laundering

[@ZGamingGuy]

When it comes to "should you accept sponsors while having a Patreon" but, there are 2 major things going into that. One is that the Patreon supporters likely aren't supporting you to keep ads off the videos, but to support a creator that they love. It's not particularly hard to skip forward a minute and a half Second is how, and with you, you take the sponsors. For example, if in the middle of a Diablo video, you give out a sponsor for an unrelated product, then it feels very...desperate? But if you were sponsored by blizzard, well yeah, makes sense. Or even something like gaming posters. Also quite relevant. As for the "how" part, just don't give a generic ad break. I will go out of my way to watch internet historian ad compilations, because he makes them so damn funny. So I actively look forward to his ads, regardless of what the ad is for

[@MarcinObuchowski]

Mister Strife they day you fall, I start drinking (so hopefuly never!)

[@Vorzac]

This is possibly my favorite video I've ever seen on KZbin. Enlightening, thought-provoking and inspirational. Wonderful stuff! thanks for all the Insight, Josh!

[@JoshStrifeSays]

Glad it was enjoyable, I tried to edit it so it more larger range compared to usually really focused edited clips on the channel where I cut out a lot of the thoughts that deviate from the original topic the video is titled about. I'll include more of these conversation-like videos on the channel in the future! -Visa, editor.

[@skorpiongod]

​@@JoshStrifeSaysplease do

[@kosviik9584]

I think doing something because it makes you feel better about yourself is still true altruism. Altruism just for the sake of giving without expecting truly ANYTHING, is borderline lunacy and goes against our basic instincts of self-preservation. Humans as a species have this thing where we don't really want things to be worse for us, unless we feel it is right and it "pays out". Whether that is a better world we more enjoy living in, the simple satisfaction of feeling like a good person, or perhaps hoping that our own descendants will live a better life. (Unless of course our lifespan already has a close limit, at which point I think it is a different debate, for example old people donating parts of their wealth as opposed to just letting it be inherited) I'd also argue that doing it for exposure, SO that you can then use all that exposure to continue giving, essentially becoming a medium to make non/less altruistic people technically perform these actions, is still altruism in a weird way. And now I have typed the word enough times that it started looking weird.

[@ytmandrake]

One does not owe anyone anything, if they GAVE you their money, that money is now yours to do with it as you see fit. The discussion here is about the gift receivers "integrity" and "reputation". If their reputation is tarnished in a way that they don't do with their gift what is expect of them, they will no longer continue to receive gifts. When you stand for a cause, people are willing to "vote with their wallets" to support you to stand for that cause, which you ultimately and seemingly share.

[@The_GlassCannon]

30 minute video on a clips channel, let's go

[@neasper]

It’s really sad how some KZbinrs will take the most scummy sponsors and them blame the audience for not giving enough them enough on stuff like patreon.

[@danieln6700]

Yea. I don't mind useful or relevant ones. All these basically scam ones that exist on KZbin or shitty games made to fuel gambling addicts are sad. Annoying seeing ppl way richer then josh take stuff like that they don't need

[@rollerskdude]

But the audience was indeed as they say. So there is more than enough justification for them to blame them.

[@neasper]

@@rollerskdude still doesn't excuse promoting a scam, there are enough sponsors like a vpn or a new mobile game to take.

[@handlesmademeloseauniqename]

Astrology vs astronomy. I let out a verbal YESSSS! when you were on about this. I've made this same observation to my friends before. You're awesome man!

[@MrArchimondde]

„Can you be an egotistical altruist?” -MrBeast enters the stage

[@Destroxy]

Stop confusing "pay what you want" systems (such as Patreon) with charitable donations. It's not the same thing. Streamers and the likes use the term "donation" as a means of psychological manipulation to try to associate positive feelings with the act of giving them money purely for their personal gain.

[@Draygarth]

Modern game makers open a sandwich shop: I made you this sandwich. Now, I know what you're going to say, "That's not a sandwich. It's just 2 pieces of bread." Well it's not our fault, this is just how sandwiches are made these days. For an extra dollar I can give you a piece of lettuce. For an extra $3 I'll sprinkle some cheese. For $20 I'll toss a slice of ham.🤣

[@steamyrobotlove]

I am so surprised the dev of Vampire Survivors, poncle, offered they’re game for so cheap. It is one of the best games I played last year, and I still continue to boot it up for a 30 minute run. Or several failed runs! I love that game! Thanks, poncle!!

[@vroomzoom4206]

Sponsor: we want to give you money we like your stuff Josh: you like my stuff? Name 10 of my videos Sponsor: worst mmo ever

[@nostalji93]

The thing about doing good is that ýou do it as much for your self as others. I found a pretty new smartphone today and was very happy to be able to return it to the owner quickly. (They called and met me). The happiness in the face of the owner and his friend was absolutely more worth to me. More than any money I could have make with selling the phone.

[@Aisaaax]

I would argue that a human never does anything selflessly. Everything is selfish. You either do things for direct benefit (to be paid/loved/praised/have friends/receive reciprocation/not get hurt/etc.) or internal benefit (to feel positive emotions or avoid negative ones). People who do charity anonymously do that because they get to feel good about themselves. Not because others need help so you have to act - no. It's to feel good. People who sacrifice their life and jump in front of the bullet - are making an impulsive decision in which they try and avoid neggative emotion of seeing someone shot. I know many people will disagree with me because believing in a fairy tale is much more comforting. But deep down you too know. The important bit, though, is that orphans truly don't care. 😮

[@Dyanosis]

The only problem I have with most content creators, you included (since you mentioned it around 12:20) is that you, the creator, think you know what people want to see or experience. What if what you put into that script is nothing like what we wanted? What if we wanted to just watch more gameplay? What if we wanted to see that mechanic that you're talking about and calling "boring"? Instead, you've just assured us and given us a bias that something will be boring without giving us a chance to experience, through anything but your own words. Take the Creators who make videos about LoL. Specifically the ones who don't do full game videos (aka they edit their videos to show more "interesting" or "engaging parts"). How did they get to that part? They always talk about "analyzing your play will make you better" but then they immediately go against their own creed and edit out the parts that we, the viewers, could have analyzed and learned from. We don't see their dozens of deaths in a game, only their multiple kills (or kill streaks). They preach one thing and then do another. And I know that's most of society at this point, but it's so god damn frustrating. You, the creator, do not get to tell me, or any other viewer, what I want to see. I should be able to tell you, along with many other viewers doing the same, what I want to see and feel like my voice was heard. Polls are a way of doing that. Paying attention to your comments (though most comments are nonsensical or just "omg content". But some of them, like when I care to comment, are actually giving feedback about the video and things I wish you'd have included.

[@SirPhysics]

I want to point out that there is another structural reason companies don't slowly build support by making good products: shareholders are only interested in maximizing short-term profits. If a CEO has to decide "well, I could fill this game with microtransactions that nobody actually wants and make us an extra half a billion dollars this quarter, or I could not do that to build goodwill with the customers" they would be removed from their position if they didn't prioritize immediate returns. Even if it will result in less profit over the long term, shareholders don't care. They aren't going to be there long term. They'll sell their investments and move to another company the minute your growth slows down, let alone stops. It's not just that's easier (though it definitely is). That kind of behavior is incentivized by how these companies are set up and managed.

[@melthrandir]

I think there is a big difference between selling out yourself on a topic you are an authority on and just some random stuff. For example, your content is about the quality, development and marketing of games; as such if you sold your opinion about these topics it would be bad (especially if you did it in the style of your videos). However, if some cooking channel or whatnot does a Raid: Shadow Legends ad I have no problem with it.

[@TheGabberManiac]

For anyone wondering: Josh is a Taurus

[@DeanGetYourWings]

Super duper easy answer to the first one. You can do it, it can be ego driven. At the end of the day It's helping someone hopefully in a beneficial way with money, time and investment for those who can afford to do so. It's still help. However, don't get your knob in a twist and get randy when someone calls you out for doing it to feel good about doing something to feel good about. Only then do you look a prat. Past that it's your money/time/interests. Fuck what anyone else thinks. We're flawed humans, we live in a bubble no matter our wealth. Integrity matters but it's ultimately down to the human where that line is drawn. Depending on the line depends on who and what types of people back and contest them.

[@dinckelman]

Say what you want about Josh being second monitor content, but he is saying everything that other people refuse to admit. How many other content creators have you seen, who take complete scumlord sponsorships from brands they don't even like? Especially the ones with "gamer drinks", or mtx filled pay to win games, or anything else that provides no value? I love Josh's content, and given the chance, I'd love to give a bit back for the entertainment provided. And I continue to do so with other people who do the same thing

[@callmequaz9052]

Patreon is a little unique. If you set "rewards" for certain levels of donations then you are under a particular obligation to fulfill those rewards. However, in this case, Josh's patreon is equivalent to a tip jar. There are no rewards, no expectations for giving money. You do so because you enjoy the content and want to support it. Whether or not Josh then feels responsible to deliver a particular kind of content that more caters to those patrons or to focus on what's good for the channel is up to him. That money is no longer yours and was given under the understanding it's a donation. You aren't obligated anything. People feel they deserve something back for the money they've given which is understandable - but you're not paying for a product. You're giving a donation to support a creator you like. It's really that simple.

[@happyninja42]

I think if you simply post "hey a portion of my patreon funding goes to support these local groups, and list them", then I don't see the problem. Most of us who spend money on patreon, understand it's to be a more broad form of income to support a content creator we like. And if that means he uses it to also support other people, well what's the issue? You are being up front about it, clearly posting it on the page, so anyone who is funding you can see exactly what they are buying with their support. And just like any other scenario, if they are not happy with that, they can simply stop supporting your patreon. I've dropped funding from several patreon channels over the years, and every time, it was because they stopped providing the thing that I agreed to support them doing. Not because they started working on other projects, because honestly usually their other projects were something I was also a fan of. But just "hey, you were working on X project, and you've clearly stopped working on it. It's been like over a year with no updates, no progress, no content specifically related to what I'm paying for. I'm out" It wasn't because they started working on Y, it was "they just kind of stopped doing anything." So yeah, I don't think that would be an issue for your fanbase over at patreon. As long as you made a post about it, very clearly indicating the change in direction you wanted to take your funding, then anyone that stays, is tacitly in support of that change. Just "Hey, starting *Insert Date* I will be donating X money every month/year/etc to Insert Organizations, because I want to help them with their projects. Anyone who doesn't want to support them, are happy to cancel their sub to my patreon by that time." Boom, problem solved as far as I'm concerned. I mean one of the people I support on patreon does like 5 different things, so I have NO idea how he's using my money per month, and I frankly don't care. I like his work as a whole, and want to support him so he can keep doing it. If he used my donation to support Project Y, but I really prefer Project X, well that's fine. Hell maybe he used my money to just buy lunch. I don't really care. As long as he's putting out the content he agreed to put out, on the time table he agreed to put it out on, then there really isn't any issue as far as I can see it.

[@josht93x]

And that's why philosophers don't actually get anything done, whereas biologists figured this out ages ago. Does the action an organism takes benefit another at a cost to itself that can be measured in overall health/wellness or particularly in reproductive fitness? Is taking this action a net loss? If so, it's altruistic. Problem solved. ;)

[@Retrograde_cat]

What if, one day, Patreon subscribers are collectively donating more money than one person could ever reasonably use in the production of videos. You buy the very best gaming rig, with the most expensive graphics card, and fill the backdrop with the rarest and most valuable collectibles. You move out of what I assume is a cramped terrace house to some lush country house, and set up a top tier studio. Then what? At some point the money sort of HAS to go to something besides the creation of KZbin videos.

[@dragons_advocate]

According to Nietzsche, there is no such thing as selflessness, as everybody has their own reasons to be selfless, and strives to fulfill those reasons as a selfish pursuit.

[@TheSweetSpirit]

(Talking about Nietzsche) Calling all reasons to be selfless as selfish is missing the nuance. Expecting an outcome that you desire, Wanting recognition, appeasing some higher power or just appeasing their emotions are all different levels of selfishness. Some of those reasons wouldn’t even be seen as selfish by most people.

[@excalibro8365]

@@TheSweetSpirit Because most people think of gains only as in material gains. Now that's missing the nuance.

[@dragons_advocate]

@TheSweetSpirit it's been 15 years since I read it, and I was oversimplifying, but yeah: that. Thanks for elaborating 👍

[@TheRandomYoYo]

I stand on the opposite side. Can a person truly ever be altruistic? You can boil it down to such small things. When you help something that is suffering, do you do it from altruism? Or do you do it because that thing's suffering is causing you discomfort? Even if you do help a party purely because you believe it is right, one might claim you do in fact help because you want to be able to perceive yourself as being morally good, even if there are no external witnesses, you yourself are your on witness in this matter. The phrase "doing something to help one sleep at night" comes to mind.

[@zanec14]

6:10 Also(on top of all the other things you said later), capitalism does not allow companies to sustain themselves by just making a good product, either you make profit or you get out-profiteered. something something capitalism bad

[@nevisysbryd7450]

Taking the sponsorship would not be stupid. It would make your business model gradually become beholden to the sponsors, at which point your control and thus mission are compromised. It is the same trap of taking a company public; as soon as it does, it has sold its integrity and objective to the highest bidder. As it currently stands, your business is between you and your audience. Insofar as you care about that or your non-financial goals in this business, taking sponsorships is a Faustian bargain.

[@michaelthomas5433]

Well the certain amount of self awareness needed to have that conversation with themselves is often lacking so.. but basically the take is it's easy to be forgiving or helpful with ppl you already like or are friends with. So just help out or give to charity and try not to be such a tool that you annoy those around you about doing it. That's the balance. Also you won't convince me to believe in astrology so don't try. I'm a Taurus and we're stubborn.

[@YaboiBrent07]

Well going off the definition of altruism then it’s selfish…. So by definition if you have ANY other alternative motives to your “altruistic nature” then it’s a) not genuinely altruistic and b) mainly being done to fulfill your own selfish desire s.

[@nobodyimportant2470]

Another part of the shitty practices of playing the customers for short term gains is a court case "Dodge v. Ford Motor Company". Michigan supreme court said that a companies primary concern should be what is best for the share holders rather than what would be good for the employees, customers, and company. Share holders are best served by short term gains spiking the value so they can sell to someone else before the long term consequences hit.

[@madstork91]

Do a YT/Twitch stream raising money. Tell several of the mobile game people you'd do the ad spot in the stream if they paid it directly to the charity as a charity, or work out a "match" donations bit.

[@Nuggetmonk]

To the very First question: in extreme cases this is called "communal narcesissism" very intruiging topic....

[@devastatheseeker9967]

"You're a fool for not taking these sponsorships" What ever happened to integrity? About the only person I respect that takes raid shadow legends and nord vpn ads is the internet historian because he is basically just playing chicken with the advertisers.

[@danieln6700]

It's good that Josh doesn't take all these cringe ass sponsors no one wants to see, that only exists as youtube sponsors. Would be good if more streamers just did relevant, interesting or useful ones. I doubt all these ppl with gfuel flavors and stuff are actually drinking that garbage or wasting their money on mobile games as they play warzone etc all day

[@skitza95]

Unless 100% of the money you raise from patreon goes to your production budget, you can do whatever you want with your profits or salary. Patrons don’t have any say in how you spend your own money. If you’ve told patrons that all your patreon money is used for your production, then it would be wrong to donate or spend that money on other things. Even altruistic things

[@OzixiThrill]

So you're saying that Josh Strife's Plays is the next channel where you're featuring the amateur performances that the POatreon supporters are paying for, gotcha.

[@zema9401]

In the jewish tale the man wanted to donate money to feel better about himself. This is not selfishness. As far as we know he gets nothing out of it. The motivation came from within himself. There was no reward waiting for him. If he would do it so the public would see him as a good person, then it is selfish and not altruistic. He did it for an outside reward, like some influencer do today. Without this outside reward there wouldnt be the good deed. That doesnt necessarily mean the homeless person wouldnt accept the food, clothing etc, but you cant call yourself altruistic if you try to get other peoples approval.

[@RomanBellic-ez5fh]

We humans, even though we see ourselves distant from nature sometimes, we forget that we’re animals too, therefore we follow mother nature rules. In biology, there’s a type of symbiotic relationship called mutualism, even though different species are helping one another for their own benefit, both benefit from it nonetheless. I believe that Selfish altruism is just another name for mutualism.

[@nancyb7282]

Why not just directly ask for donations to make your donations? You are already established as a creator. This does not have to be a moral conundrum unless it is made into one. You read chat messages with proactive solutions. Good luck. Enjoy your content.

[@Onii-chan899]

I'd much rather you take money from some corporation for an ad that i know you're paid for than to expect my money (not that you do but ive seen other creators who take the "no ads high ground" basically shill themselves)

[@saltclaws]

Is it really that hard of a question? Are you asking that question every time you purchase something that isn't a basic necessity? No? Then stop sweating it. It is starting to come across as intelligently dishonest.

[@Dws974]

you could be lucky donate and it produce something really helpful... then over the course of time it gets corrupted by X or Y changes then its not meaningful anymore but if you stop to donate and you made public that you supported this thing and stop ... your image could take a beating even if its your money and you do whatever with it... even if you might have a good reason or not...

[@jakkrit6910]

you can just vlog it on your channel. hey you guy today we will go and greet these people and give them 200 for the show. just a 10 min vlog. seem fair imo.

[@JustEPIC19]

I see a Josh Strife video I like. It's that simple.

[@oggyswe2]

i would say patreon is like paying for what you already seen for free. while if you used kickstarted it would be a diffrent story. but you use your money like you wish. tho if stop producing people may stop donating so weight your spending time/money as well everyone else.

[@NobodyssGirl]

Altruism gets brought up a lot in reference to corporations and their charity and public statements. Does it matter if this business is only donating/supporting this cause for publicity? But I dont really know if anything is really altruistic. Humans act for selfish gain even, like dropping a dollar in a homeless persons jar to avoid feeling bad.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

But my mood is totally dependent on the planets position. But I am talking mostly relative to the sun. Because that thing is like 30% too bright bare minimum.

[@Ziffwolf]

I think its slightly ridiculous that patrons should expect to have any say on what thr money is spent on. Are you fulfilling the promises set out in tbe text of the patreon? Yes? Then beyond that the money is your to do with as you please. Do you also run your shopping list by the patrons every time you go to Tesco?

[@martinez206045]

5:00 I do believe we have a term for that already - selling out :)))

[@smooody1988]

Why don't you take the big mobile game sponsorship and donate all that to a local project and specify that that is what you are doing before the sponsor spot.