This Mystery Ship Watched Titanic Sink

[@BigOldBoats]

Thank you for watching! Fun(?) fact: Both the Californian and the Carpathia were torpedoed and sunk by German U-boats in World War I.

[@jetsons101]

Better for the Carpathia to go down in battle than in a "breakers yard" It seems that both the Titanic and Carpathia were both slow to give up the surface.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@user-sf5vs1mc1f 'This however has never been proven.' Actually, it has. Proven false, that is.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@user-sf5vs1mc1f My reply was to a post suggesting that the mystery ship allegedly near to Titanic was the sealer Samson, not to the sinking of Carpathia.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@user-sf5vs1mc1f Quite agree. My posts occasionally disappear into the ether as well.

[@ablestarofficial8117]

It’s the California and it wasn’t close enough to watch it sink. That’s hyperbolic.

[@yudorapetraitis3490]

possibly the best explanation of the “shut up” incident i’ve seen on youtube. hats off

[@TorontoJediMaster]

One other error that Evans made, along with putting the the "MSG" header was that he committed a breach of wireless etiquette. He broke into Phillips' transmission without asking to do so. If one wanted (or needed) to cut into another operator's signal, you were supposed to give a quick signal and wait for a response. (It's the equivalent of raising your hand in a group chat.) Evans forgot to do so and just burst into Phillips' signal. He realized after his error and saw why Phillips told him off. He said that he took no offense from it.

[@titanicgaming1148]

@@TorontoJediMaster Well another reason these guys probably were saying things like shut up and being buts was well a lot of them were friends. Marconi wireless operators were not ship crew in the traditional sense as they were all employees of the marconi company and all knew eachother to an extent, carpathia’s operator was to my knowledge friends with both wireless operators onboard titanic and was pretty saddened by the lost of Phillip. Also this was the early days of this device, standards were not really in place and these men bantered often on these devices.

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[@jetsons101]

The crew that stayed below deck keeping the lights and pumps on are heroes. They stayed at their posts knowing they would not survive the sinking, that is a sign of true heroes.

[@jetsons101]

@@jone8626 I watched it a few years back but can't remember the channel name. It was pretty good.........

[@cardboardempire]

Most crew were released. Some chose to stay at their posts. Chef Engineer Bell was seen on the boat deck. Greaser Fred Scott mentioned it during the inquiry. Another mentioned that they followed Bell up the stairs topside though I cannot recall which survivor said this.

[@commodorezero]

@@jone8626 The Engineers running the pumps and keeping the power up all died not everyone below deck. The firemen and stokers in areas that were flooded had the best chance of survival because they evacuated long before the ship sank and were used to crew the lifeboats.

[@raheemabdul1066]

I dont know, doing that bought enough time to save all that survived? or ws it not optimal or stupid to do?

[@raheemabdul1066]

*Titanic Lifeboats and Capacity 33% - the percentage of the ships total passengers and crew that the lifeboats could accommodate. 80 minutes - the time taken to launch all 16 lifeboats. 10 minutes - the average time it would usually take a crew to launch a lifeboat.* the titanic was afloat for over 120 mins, all that pumping may have not been needed.

[@daverichmond3228]

Hey Bob! I don't blame you for not wanting to cover Titanic before this. It's been done so many times it's basically a cliche now, but the angle you took to tell the story was well chosen. It felt fresh and new and engaging.

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

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[@SimonPetrikov12]

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[@Daniel_Huffman]

There was once a time when the _Californian_ herself was a source of excitement: While not a remarkable ship on the world's stage even when she entered service, she was then the largest ship constructed in the Scottish city of Dundee, to the point where her machinery damaged parts of the city's roads and telephone lines while being transported to the ship. Ultimately, the _Californian_ was just another vessel lost to the First World War. Damaged by a torpedo strike from the _U-34,_ the crippled ship was sunk during an attempt to tow her ashore by the _U-35,_ the most successful submarine to serve in the conflict.

[@merafirewing6591]

She was a very humble looking cargo ship.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

@@merafirewing6591 Indeed. I also really like the Leyland Line's choice of using salmon pink as the main color of their funnels. The detail that stands out to me is that the company used that _specific_ color.

[@commodorezero]

@@merafirewing6591 She was a small ship for the time but Dundee was not a place where large vessels were typically built. This is why Californian had that record. Also having 1 funnel makes ships look unimportant and small regardless of their actual size. Carpathia was a pretty big ship for 1912 but because she had 1 funnel shes seen as the little engine that could.

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[@OcarinaLink24]

The wireless operators were a niche group and most knew each other. The ‘shut up’ message is more or less the equivalent of a joking “bruh, fuck off, I’m busy 💀💀💀” between pals.

[@jakeplumber1373]

Apparently not, because that message got 1,700 people killed. California turned off its wireless system immediately after that.

[@zeddeka]

There's a huge extra issue regarding the weather conditions around Titanic at the time of the disaster. It's covered in a recent documentary and in historian Tim Maltin's book. There's fairly firm evidence that two phenomena, known as super refraction and thermal inversion, were present that night. Super refraction was also deemed by the additional 1992 British Inquiry to be likely a factor in the disaster (they also considered the position of the Californian - it's interesting that the 1992 British inquiry is so rarely referenced). In short, super refraction and thermal inversion are caused when warm and cold currents meet. It creates a set of conditions which create a false horizon, thoroughly distort visibility, masking things near the horizon (hence the reason the iceberg wasn't seen earlier), and making things further away (which would often otherwise be invisible over the horizon) seem very much closer and smaller. it's highly likely that the ship in question was the Californian, but the visibility distortions made the rockets, morse lamps and actual shape of the Titanic and Californian look completely different to each other. Whatever you think of the theory, there are some amazing pictures online, showing examples of how refraction and thermal inversion thoroughly distort visibility at sea. Any ship experiencing them, especially at night in that era, would have huge problems. As Captain Lord of the Californian said "it was a very deceiving night". *EDIT* the documentary in question can be found at the KZbin link below. Is called "Titanic: Case Closed" kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6m0p5ygbbmnq8ksi=4dzoQuQxPtfNvAaX

[@TheSaneHatter]

Yep; that's exactly what *I* was going to post. Thank you. That class of illusion, called, "fata morgana," has indeed been theorized as not only why the Californian failed to clearly see Titanic's distress, but part of why Titanic hit the iceberg in the first place. And by all accounts, that evening's conditions were perfect for the illusion to occur. Another point worth noting: a man who narrowly missed being aboard Titanic, as one of its wireless operators, was Jack Binns, whose own heroism had saved the lives of White Star passengers just a couple of years earlier, when the SS Republic hit the SS Florida. (He declined the Titanic assignment because he was getting married that weekend.) But while it's not likely that his individual presence could have changed the events of that day, a suggestion of his, made after the earlier accident, could have changed things: a recommendation that from then on, wireless stations should be manned 24/7. If Evans had a relief officer, things might have been different.

[@chrismarley3536]

Thanks for sharing this information & education.

[@davidhollingdale5408]

Greetings from England. Thank you for sharing these pertinent phenomena, of which I was ignorant. Titanic has held a particular fascination for me since I have two (extremely peripheral) connections to the disaster. First,my ex-partner's great-uncle helped build her and second I am sending this from my home town of Bolton...also the birthplace of Stanley Lord. 👍

[@mtlicq]

@@TheSaneHatter Thank you ! I learned something today ! fata morgana boats that float in the air video on youtube shows it well

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@TheSaneHatter I have seen fata morgana mirages over the Great Lakes in the winter more than once, and even in full daylight, they're strange and deceiving things. I honestly can't say whether I've seen one at night because of their deceptive nature, as the experiences of the Californian's crew suggests. Because of this experience, I don't place so much blame on Captain Lord's inactivity as some people do.

[@SteelyBud]

I think it shows tactful restraint on your part to go so long without covering the Titanic; and when you finally did, you covered a unique aspect of the tragedy. Very well done.

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[@philiphumphrey1548]

A lot can be explained by a thermal inversion caused by calm conditions, cold air over cold water and warmer air higher up. This would have bent the light from the Californian over the horizon and it is quite possible that Californian was 19 miles away or more and still saw the lights from Titanic (and vice versa). It could also explain why the lookouts in Titanic's crows nest failed to see the iceberg in time. A thermal inversion gives a raised misty horizon that would have hidden the shape of a large iceberg until it was too late.

[@nakmuay7705]

Where I live on lake Erie in Canada they always said you can see the streetlights in Cleveland on a clear night. I thought it was bullshit due to the curvature of the earth. Would this explain that?

[@codename1176]

@@nakmuay7705yes look up pictures of floating super tankers that’s a good example.

[@tjbooker8585]

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[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

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[@mithramusic5909]

Regarding the "rude" message from the Titanic, it's not actually rude at all, it's like nerd speak. These wireless operators were tech nerds of the time. Their tone to one another was always blunt and aggressive. It's more like text speak to friends versus professional business communications. It's so unacceptable that Californian did less than the bare minimum. They saw a ship that looked strange with lights visible underwater shooting rockets and clearly attempting to communicate by Morse lamp, after they spent ALL DAY SENDING ICE DANGER WARNINGS. We can argue all we want about what Californian COULD have done, but it's not ok that they didn't even try.

[@mattboy5296]

Agreed. If I was the Captain on the Californian, I would have at least ordered the wireless operator to be woken up so he could find out if anything was going on. Then they would have immediately heard all the distress calls from Titanic and the back and forth between her and the other ships she was in communication with and knew the situation.

[@helenafarkas4534]

@@mattboy5296 as far as I know, Californian;s wireless operator WAS rousted from bed to check what was up - unfortunately he happened to tune in precisely when so many ships were trying to talk to each other that the signal was jammed - it's documented that there were several periods that night where that happened. faced with the jamming, he hung up his headset and went back to bed

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@mattboy5296 Also, a captain's first duty is to his own ship, crew and passengers under maritime law. Making a midnight dash across an icefield on a moonless night, like Carpathia did, would be in contravention of this first, most important rule. If they had hit ice in their rescue attempt, there would have been two ships on the bottom and countless more lives lost. I'm not bashing Captain Rostron; his actions were undoubtedly heroic and saved hundreds of lives, I'm just saying that there were good reasons that Captain Lord stayed put that night.

[@Justicia007]

I agree and I find it interesting that the extremely rich men who perished on the Titanic were the same men who opposed the creation of the Fed. If they had survived, they would have provided strong opposition to the creation of the Federal reserve a little over a year later.

[@dfuher968]

U should also consider when dizzing the Californian, that distress rockets were red. The Titanic fired off white rockets, which were used for celebrations. Furthermore, distress rockets were to be fired at fixed intervals, 1 per minute, but the Titanic only fired a total of 8 rockets over a period of an hour and at random intervals. Combining that with very abnormal weather conditions causing the presence of, what we now know to be super refraction and thermal inversion (also why they couldnt see the iceberg until just b4 hitting it, it had nothing to do with binoculars, which were not used at night anyway, as they would actually harm the visibility of the lookouts in darkness), everything they saw was distorted, tho they didnt know it. Sure, u can always say later, why not wake up the wireless operator, and Im sure, Captain Lord regretted that for the rest of his life. But as @helenafarkas4534 says, he was eventually woken up, but did not find out, what was going on due to jamming. Im sure, he also regretted for the rest of his life, that he did not stay up longer and attempt to find out, why the signal was jammed. But its understandable, since he likely had almost as long of a shift as Captain Lords 17 hours. Its always easy to cast blame afterwards, but they really had no reason to suspect anything, yet they still tried several times to contact the, to them, unknown ship.

[@greenthing99100]

Thank you. What I enjoyed most about this account of the sad story of the Titanic and the iceberg is that you tread a very careful line between fact and speculation, and avoid overdramatising what was already quite dramatic enough. My grandfather worked all his working life on the Cunard liners, including being part of the crew of the Queen Mary on her epic solo troopship voyages during WW2, protected by nothing except her speed and the guile of her officers.

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[@Thesiouxempirepodcast]

I hadn’t watched in a while and you popped back up in my recommended messages yesterday, I spent the whole day binge watching a bunch of your videos. Love your channel. Then this new one drops right in the morning oh man that’s so great.

[@Delbel_Giggles91]

Happened to me as well!

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[@kellybreen5526]

This story about the inability to use the Morse lamps adds to my belief that the weather conditions created a superior mirage. Warm air and cold water causes light to bend. It would explain why the iceberg was not seen until too late. If you check “superior mirage - images” there is a photo of a thousand foot cargo ship and the hull has disappeared. Only the fore cabin and the tip of the funnel at the stern are visible. If I were smarter I would figure out a way to attach the image. It is remarkable.

[@Sassymouse88]

Just looked it up, that. Is. NUTS!

[@l.l.2463]

Thank you for that info. Very interesting.

[@washingtonradio]

The mirage theory has been around for awhile, also atmospheric conditions could have caused the Morse lamp signals to be in decipherable for both ships.

[@Rfk1966]

A flat sea might have acerbated a low level inversion which *might* have led to this effect. Conversely, an inversion may have also increased the range of the Marconi system. Hard to know for sure, but it’s a distinct possibility that an inversion was present as it was a clear night with light winds and the temperature was reported to drop rather quickly when the ship neared the ice field.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

They're called Superior Mirages after Lake Superior, because they're actually not uncommon on the Great Lakes when the water temperatures drop in the autumn. I've seen a few, and they're a strange phenomenon to put it mildly.

[@TheOfficial007]

One of the things that is neat about "A Night to Remember" is they portray the sinking differently because that was what surviving witnesses had disputed based on what had happened in the darkness during the phase after the lightning was lost. Really shows the difference in theories that still cover the final moments before she reached bottom.

[@kellybreen5526]

One odd fact is that the sinking ship footage is recycled from a Second World War propaganda film produced by the Nazis. The director died before the film was released by apparent suicide.

[@marhawkman303]

Yeah first movie about the sinking didn't even try to explain the sinking, it just captured the thoughts of the passengers as they ran for their lives.

[@dfuher968]

Well, actually "A Night to Remember" was filled with misinformation, that was known to be false even then. They went for drama, not facts. And they went for the false premises, that was claimed at the inquest of the Titanic sinking in 1 piece, claimed by so-called experts, in complete contradiction with witness testimonies. Every survivor, who actually saw the sinking, said, that the Titanic broke in half, but the so-called experts condescendingly dismissed them and claimed, that was impossible, and the inquest went with the opinion of those, who were not there, over the opinion of every1, who was there. In fact, "A Night to Remember" is the cause of the vast majority of the countless false myths about the Titanic, that still flourish today, despite that most of them were already either known to be false at the time of the sinking or proven to be false long b4 the film was made. That movie and the vindictiveness and pettiness and greed of William Randolph Hearst are by far the worst causes of lies told about the Titanic, even worse than the conspiracy nuts of today.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

My favourite movie of the event. First saw it at age 4 or 5 (first time I'd heard of Titanic) and it never left me Really gets the sheer terror and absolute helplessness of the event across.. a purely "human" account of the tragedy I love that Camerons "Titanic" paid homage with so many shot-for-shot recreations and nods to ANTR

[@markwilliams8369]

@@unbearifiedbear1885 In Cameron's Titanic none of the crew have any redeeming features, they are all portrayed as villain's, shooting the poor Oirish.

[@amystubby]

I've been on a binge of your channel lately, absolutely love your videos. You're a natural story teller.

[@MvPruett003]

"White stars slowly descended back down to sea" is an amazing line, @BigOldBoats!

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[@sirrliv]

A more recent line of speculation that's caught my attention is: What could Californian have done if she *had* picked up Titanic's distress calls? And while it's easy to say "She could have saved everyone! She was so close, surely she could have been there in no time at all, perhaps in time to take people off the doomed ship while she was still above water", when considering Californian's situation and status that night, the reality is a bit more complicated and the truth is more likely that she couldn't have done much at all. Firstly, consider that Californian was not a speedy liner like Titanic or even Carpathia. She as primarily a cargo ship with a top speed of maybe 12 knots on a good day. She had cabin space for some 47 passengers plus uncomfortable, poorly ventilated bunks for 55 officers and crew. In short, even if she had been at full readiness, Californian wouldn't be "racing" anywhere. And she wasn't at full readiness when she spotted the mystery steamer that cold April night. Remember, Californian had stopped due to being surrounded by field ice. Although her engineers had been told to remain on standby, her boilers were still kept in only light steam, enough to keep the power running and to be able to be stoked back up to full pressure fairly quickly, but still roughly half working pressure to avoid wasting coal or keeping everyone awake all night with blowing safety valves. If she'd gotten the distress calls from Titanic or understood what the rockets truly meant, it would have taken time to stoke the boilers back to full readiness, and more time still to accelerate from a dead stop and turn back towards Titanic's position. In short, even if Captain Lord had somehow had a psychic premonition the exact moment Titanic hit the iceberg and immediately ordered his crew to head to her rescue, there's no possible way Californian could have gotten to Titanic before her final plunge. But say Californian *had* made a mad dash to the rescue. We return to the first point with the question: Now what? You're surrounded by desperate, injured, freezing survivors. What do you do with them? Again, Californian was not a passenger ship; she had extremely little if any space to put anybody. Those in the most critical condition might have been put in the empty cabins. But for the majority of people, the only place for all those 760-off frozen people would have likely been the cold, drafty cargo holds, atop a load of cotton bound for New Orleans via Boston. Titanic's passengers would have been stuck for maybe another week as the slower ship plodded its way into Boston. And that's not even getting into unknowns, like how much food and stores the Californian had left for her journey and what medical services would have been available. The best case scenario I could see if Californian could have reaches the site even shortly after Titanic sank is that she would have picked up as many survivors as she could, her crew obviously doing everything in their limited power to help them without adequate food, drink, or medical supplies for so many. And, upon learning from Titanic's officers that Carpathia was on her way, rather than taking off for New York herself, Californian would simply have waited for Carpathia to arrive and transferred all the survivors she could to the larger, better equipped liner, before returning to her own course for Boston, perhaps with a few Titanic passengers still aboard, those either too injured or too traumatized to move. But the idea of this ship, so close and yet to far, sweeping in to be the big damn hero that saved everybody is sadly just as far fetched as the opposite notion, that she stood by aloof and did nothing as hundreds died just out of sight. For Captain Lord and the Californian, their legacy was to be placed in a tragic Catch-22 situation; they didn't recognize the distress signals for what they were, but even if they had there wasn't much they could have done. Damned if they did, damned because they didn't.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Carpathia was only around five knots faster. She was hardly an ocean greyhound herself. I suspect most of the dead would have preferred the 'poorly ventilated bunks' of Californian to the freezing Atlantic, especially since other ships would be arriving in a matter of hours. You seem to think that Titanic & Californian were the only ships in that particular area at the time.

[@NoewerrATall]

What an insightful and clear-eyed analysis of the situation. As Bradley himself mentioned in the close of the video, people want stories to have heroes and villains, and everything to have clear answers. It's difficult to get the average listener to a story like this to understand that real life is shades of grey and uncertainty.

[@ct1762]

you really think there was only room in the hold? that thing had a massive salon, dining area, and multiple lounge areas all well above the hold. there was plenty of food and water for another 2 day voyage to NY or Boston. thats not remotely an issue. it would only take 45 minutes tops to reach the survivors, and most of them died because of hypothermia. eye witnesses said there were hundreds still alive 30 minutes after being in the water, and that would be far less if the Californian had been on the scene, but most likely hardly anyone would even get their feet wet as the longboats would've set up a ferry system and let the other in titanics boats be loaded last.

[@takashitamagawa5881]

Good points. I think there is also the question of whether the CALIFORNIAN could have steered a direct course to the ship seen on the horizon. Walter Lord, in his book "The Night Lives On", relates how when Californian finally got back underway she had to find a path around the ice and approached TITANIC's position from the south. Remember that CARPATHIA came to the rescue of TITANIC's position from the south as well, after a harrowing dash where she barely avoided the ice in her path. The ice north of TITANIC, through which CALIFORNIAN would have had to pass were she to steer a direct course, was undoubtedly even thicker. Captain Stanley Lord couldn't have helped much if he seriously damaged his own ship trying to reach the TITANIC. All this doesn't mean that the CALIFORNIAN shouldn't have done something, at least the crew should have tried to communicate with the other ship and seen what they COULD do. But it's certainly not a given that CALIFORNIAN could have saved everybody.

[@ct1762]

@@takashitamagawa5881 everybody yes. or nearly everyone thats almost certain. you are making it sound way more complicated than it actually was, no offense at all. there was some ice around, but thats why they used caution. it wasnt enough to seriously consider any sort of aborted rescue.

[@randomrazr]

even if the californian got titanics distress call, by the time titanic sent its first distress call the calofornian would have never made it. it would have taken time for it to build up steam to start her engines, and then navigate around hte ice field they were in. By that time the titnic would have went under. however it may have been possible to save a couple more lives at it would ahve arrived earlier then carpathia as some people did die waiting int he lifeboats

[@tgfabthunderbird1]

Precisely this. Robert Ballard wrote a commentary about Captain Lord's behavior. The practical standpoint was as you said--there would have been little for him to do, but Ballard also pointed out that Lord failed to act "when action was required."

[@PassiveSmoking]

Whether he would have got there in time to make a significant different to the outcome is moot. The real failure is that he didn't even attempt to determine what was going on. Had he given Cyril Evans a tap on the shoulder and said "Sorry to bother you but there's a ship that seems a bit odd out there. Could you get on the wireless and see if there's anything going on?" then we would not be having this conversation because the news would have got to the bridge, Lord would have made a rescue attempt, and regardless of its outcome history would have recorded that he did his best to render assistance.

[@gohanangered9650]

Even so, it's still a taboo not to make a attempt to help out a ship. There's been other stories, where ships did that in history. And the captains weren't treated well.

[@crazyeddie1981]

The californian had half of her engines running which was common pratice for ships stopped like that. They need to make headway to avoid drifting with the currents. Studies have shown that if she reacted when she seen the first rocket she could have made it in under an hour. The ice fields between titanic and californian was sparse and would have been easily navigatable

[@Borninthe80s.]

@@crazyeddie1981 she would have reached the area the same time as the carpathia

[@NonsensicalNauticalRambings]

So many what ifs in Titanic’s story. So much was destined to happen, and so much was changed. If she had her original departure in March, then she still would have collided with the burg, as her 2nd voyage to New York was on April 10th. Had she of collided with SS New York at Southampton, the voyage would have likely been delayed, or even cancelled. Had the mystery ships near her sent out for help, more could have been saved. But, all we do truly know is the events that happened, as they happened. Fate intervened with a standard voyage, and made it the most famous in the world, alongside Columbus’s famous trip in 1492. Titanic was cursed to sink, but blessed to be remembered. Thank you Bradley for another good video.

[@2mi_o897]

Depends they could’ve used a different route either more northern or southern on the return trip, the trip back also could’ve been delayed so it’s really who knows

[@commodorezero]

@@2mi_o897 The Titanics destiny was set by Captain Smith changing course when Titanic turned the corner late due to an ice warning he received. He was moving south but early climate change put ice into regions that Smith believed was safe based on his experience.

[@jkephart4624]

Hard to say. .im guessing the second voyage would Have they been a little different. Im guessing after they beat Olympics record they would have been more chill. And the ice warnings probably wouldn't be as backed up because they would have had the machine working properly (most likely)

[@jayxfrost8987]

had she been switched with Olympic (as someone conspiracy theorists believe she was) this wouldn't have happened because "The Old Reliable" Olympic was a bad ass.

[@krisgray8124]

Here's a postulation to the unidentified ship. It was a group of time traveling tourists who paid handsomely to witness the sinking of the Titanic. They could not assist aid at risk of disrupting the space time continuum. Furthermore a temporal static shell surrounded their ship, ensuring that no interference would be rendered by the tourists. I think Casper Van Dien wrote a treatise on this.

[@markwilliams8369]

I've suspected the same 🙂

[@ald1144]

Impossible. You can't get a ship up to 88 miles an hour.

[@spo616]

🍑😮👍🏻👎🏾🤣

[@fishingmasterstudios9481]

you serious or joking?

[@haredr6511]

Well, time traveling into the past is impossible, BUT, if it were possible, it’s 100% within morbid human nature to set-up a tourist excursion to witness the incident.

[@LelandNelson-c2n]

As always, thank you for this amazing video and keep up the great work!

[@darlenejohnson2662]

Thank you for this take on this horrible tragedy

[@stevenkarnisky411]

A sensitive and thorough account! Well done!

[@ikatmax]

This video was so well done I just realized that 14 April 2024 fell on a Sunday just like 1912. You did a great job with this one ❤🎉😊

[@twilightincosmos]

omg...cant believe I came across this comment that spoke my mind....when he mentioned in the video that on 14 th April Snday, I immediately checked the calender to verify the day...

[@ikatmax]

@priyv8710 after this video i saw how many Titanic videos were put up and I was like wasn't yesterday the 14th so I also had to double check hehe

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[@chaffiebombs]

Glad you finally added the titanic to the channel. Well done btw. I too was fascinated by the titanic leading to interest in ships

[@Feline_Frenzy53]

"On a Sea of Glass is a wonderful book and "A Night to Remember" is the BEST Titanic movie. Thank you for presenting Joseph Boxhall's story.

[@dfuher968]

Its only the best Titanic movie, if u dont mind, that its almost completely fact free, that it is based on false "facts", that were already then known to be false, and that it has perpetuated the vast majority of all the falsehoods still being believed today, despite that most of it was known at the time of the sinking and certainly long b4 the movie was made. I like old time movies. I dont like, when theyre used to distort or outright falsify history and spread conspiracy theories and lies.

[@FraudulentEarth68]

@@dfuher968 so what's the truth in the Federal Reserve hypothesis?

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

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@@FraudulentEarth68 dog not allowed ect

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[@jenniferlevine5406]

Beautifully written. You did a wonderful job on your (1st) Titanic documentary! I really appreciate your take on this tragic sinking. You are so right, much better to focus attention on the heroes instead of seeking out blame and fault. I am sure I'll watch this many times. Thanks for all your efforts making this video!

[@codysnider7017]

I’ve been looking for a documentary like this about the Californian/mystery ship controversy and am so glad to have stumbled across this one! Very informative - I had no idea that the wireless on the Titanic had malfunctioned and that the rules stated that a ship had to wait until it docked before it could be fixed and how if they didn’t fix it the Titanic story would be completely different! Learn something new every day! Again, THANK YOU for this wonderful documentary! I wish there were more like this that focused on the Californian and other possible “mystery ships” that were in the area detailing their parts in the Titanic lore. I’d love to see a video like that!

[@jetsons101]

Great watch, top-notch narration and information. First time I saw A Night To Remember was on late night TV when I was a real little kid, that night I had a hard time falling asleep. You have a gift of storytelling, also I could feel the cold from the "Dark, starry night" you used in the vid.......

[@plaidzebra5526]

18:09 You should do a video on all the theories of the mystery ship. Weather if it was the California or not.

[@moosifer3321]

There are reports of illegal fishermen/sealers being present in the vicinity - any real evidence that these could have been the `Mystery Ship`?

[@codysnider7017]

@@moosifer3321I believe you’re referring to the Samson and no, she couldn’t have been the mystery ship. Icelandic port records indicated that the Samson was docked on April 6 and April 20, which would’ve made it impossible for the schooner to be in the area of the sinking on April 14-15. Furthermore, there was nothing illegal about seal hunting on the high seas in international waters in 1912, and the area where the Titanic sank was hundreds of miles from “territorial waters” and far away from where most seals live in the Arctic Ocean Circle. Nonetheless, I think it is still possible that another third ship was in the area and was seen by both the Titanic and the Californian. I’ve read some testimonials from those in the lifeboats that claimed they saw another mysterious light but that it was from a ship much smaller than the light that was likely coming from the Californian and all who testified believed that it looked the light of a fishing vessel/schooner. It’s interesting to note that on the other side of the ice field, Captain James Henry Moore of the Mount Temple gave testimony about seeing a schooner only about a mile away from his ship and how he had to take extra precautions to avoid colliding with the mysterious schooner, which he said also blew a foghorn likely as a sign that the two ships were getting too dangerously close to one another. But from everything I’ve read on this topic of the light on the horizon, most Titanic historians do not believe the Samson was this other mystery ship.

[@carloschristanio4709]

Monte temple is a favorite for mystery ship

[@aj6954]

@@carloschristanio4709 It is THE favourite with evidence to support it. Californian was 19.5 miles from Titanic, wireless had shut down for the night, hence it took no action. There was a ship seen from Californian and although many think it was Titanic, it wasn`t.

[@dfuher968]

Check out Oceanliner Designs. Mike Brady has loads of videos about the Titanic, looking at all kinds of aspects and details, including the theories of the mystery ship.

[@girl1213]

Drowning is one of my greatest fears when it comes to thinking about death. It's why it's hard for me to watch anything related to sea disasters like the Titanic. But it fills me with appreciation for the men and women who decided to willingly stay on the ship. I don't know how brave you have to be to accept that fate, be it to keep the lights and pumps running or to not be separated from your loved one. Edit to add: I leave this comment for a month and come back to find a surprising amount of replies, only to find its mainly two people doing a bunch of BS because one of the victims happened to be a pastor. Shame on you!

[@Orly90]

Most people froze to death. Maybe a few drowned like the engineers, but most passengers froze to death. Anyone that remained inside the stern would have been killed by pressure on her descent.

[@david-spliso1928]

Read the story of John Harper and the Titanic passengers.

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

@@david-spliso1928 suicide not allowed

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

@@Orly90 suicide not allowed

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

Suicide not allowed

[@htos1av]

Pretty cool to cover this from the crew's perspective. Good stuff.

[@bradparker9664]

Very well done. I especially like the emphasis at the end on "there are no villains.". People can only do they best they can with the information they have at that moment. My time in law enforcement also proved another of your points...tragedy is rarely the result of a single misstep. It almost certainly occurs after a series of events that, in their totality, result in disaster. Remove any one contributing factor and that disaster is avoided. So one person, or even a small number of people, can rarely be blamed for any given calamity. Excellent film, sir. You have a new subscriber.

[@roberthoffhines5419]

Wow, the telling of the interment of Vauxall's ashes brought a tear to my eye. It's been a long time since I've done that for the victims and story of Titanic. But imagine had California heeded the first indication, built-up steam and gotten there in what...5-10 miles...better part of an hour. Titanic was already in a panic state, and hard to imagine the chaos of shuttling passengers in and out of the limited lifeboats between ships. We imagine California "sidling right on up" next to Titanic, but it doesn't happen that way.

[@moosifer3321]

BOXHALL!

[@mikedicenso2778]

But Californian could've well gotten there in time to save perhaps several dozen people who died of exposure in or on Collapsible A and B, as well as few others fished out of the water by two of the other lifeboats to return to help. That much is very likely. That and Captain Lord his crew would be the celebrated heroes of the tragedy instead of Captain Rostron and Carpathia.

[@moosifer3321]

This Tragedy highlights the Immature attitude to new Technology, namely the elitist use for Passenger Communications rather than as a Lifesaving, 24hr means of rescue - how many 3rd class utilised this service to advise ETA? I suspect, NONE. Fortunately things DID change, ultimately saving more lives than those lost in the Titanic Disaster.@@mikedicenso2778

[@dfuher968]

@@mikedicenso2778 No, they couldnt have gotten there. The 1992 inquery proved once and for all, that the Californian was actually around 20 miles away, the optical illusions that night made her look closer, her boilers were at low steam and wouldve needed some time to get to full steam, and the Californian was a small cargo ship with a top speed of just 12 knots. Even in clear weather and daylight they couldnt have made it there, even if Boxhall had calculated the correct position, which he did not, and while they might have used their eyesight for navigation, that wouldve been extremely dangerous in an icefield on a very dark night full of optical illusions, tho they didnt know about that at the time. And the myth about how all the ppl couldve been shuttled from the Titanic to the Californian is just that, a myth. It wouldve been physically impossible to do for various reasons, even if the Californian had been close enough to reach the sinking Titanic, not the least being that filling lifeboats, sailing to the Californian, unloading lifeboats, sailing back after more wouldve taken many many hours. As it was, the Titanic didnt even manage to launch all lifeboats, b4 she sank. And the Californian was far too small to take anywhere near the number of ppl, we're talking about. In hindsight, if all things had lined up perfectly, and Californian couldve gotten there in time, could they have saved some ppl? Yes. Could they have saved them all, as so many claim? Not a chance. But again, the 1992 inquery proved beyond doubt, that the Californian could not have gotten there in time to make any difference. And they had no reason to think, something was wrong, yet they repeatedly tried to contact the unknown ship, which were firing off white celebrations rockets, not red distress rockets, at random intervals, 8 rockets over an hour, rather than 1 rocket per minute fixed interval as the rules perscribed. And they used both the morse lamp for way more than an hour and woke up the wireless operator, who turned it on, heard a jammed signal due to so many ship talking at the same time, turned it back off, reported he could get nothing and went back to bed. Yes, it wouldve been nice, if Captain Lord had been clairvoyant and gone racing through an icefield, risking his ship and the lives of his crew and his few passengers to arrive too late to be of any help. But thats not, how life works. And the 1992 inquery considered all, that Ive mentioned, all the original documentation, all the original witness accounts (which were largely ignored in the original US inquery) and much more, and they fully exonerated Captain Lord. And Carpathia was actually really lucky not to suffer the same fate as Titanic. It was good, that she did, coz Captain Rostron got lucky, and they did make a difference. But by all the evidence Captain Lord not just did everything, that the rules and customs of the time required of him, he went above and beyond. Without the knowledge, that Captain Rostron had, Captain Lord could not have done more, and even had he known, it would not have made any difference. No matter, what the numerous clickbait grifters claim, so they can continue to make money off the Titanic.

[@mikedicenso2778]

@@dfuher968 But the problem with that is that the Californian herself did, in fact, risk going through the icefield 13 nautical miles to the west in response to the incorrect Boxhall CQD position and then when Lord realized it was wrong, he had to take the ship down along it and around up to where Carpathia was at and was just about to get underway after finishing up rescue operations. We know when Californian got Cyril Evans up, when she was gotten underway, and when she got to Where Carpathia was. It was just a couple hours and some change. And this after they went through a very circuitous route and picking their way through the ice pack to the west! Also, you seem to be misrepresenting my scenario. Never once did I say that they could've gotten there in time to save everyone, just a few dozen souls who died after the sinking due to exposure in or on the lifeboats, particularly Collapsible boats A and B. Unlike what actually happened, they would not have had to go through the ice to the west, but down south more directly to Titanic, following her lights and distress flares. Assuming 12 knots over 20 nm, that's 1.6 hours to reach Titanic. They get there in time to pick a few people out of the water and save dozens of people who would have perished on boats A and B.

[@Riddler7676]

There are so many times in life that are "gray" with lots of what it's but no villains and sometimes, no good guys as well. Trying to explain this to kids is so hard as they see the black and white! You did a great job on your first Titanic video! The voice you added was well spoken, and intelligent!

[@michekids]

Kudos to your coverage. I especially appreciated your decision to seek out the heroes and give them their due. Thank you

[@dees3179]

That was so eloquently put. Raising a glass to you. Well done.

[@farfle]

Thank you for using clips from A Night to Remember, imho the best Titanic film!

[@fmyoung]

That is a good film no doubt

[@karenwiley9702]

Thank you for sharing this. A Night To Remember is one of my favorite movies about the Titanic It is hard to believe that 112 years ago this beautiful ship sank on her maiden vogue Remembering those we lost

[@fmyoung]

The soundtrack composer of that film William Alwyn died on September 11 1985 which was ten days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck

[@Rheneas]

Love your content!!

[@bmikula1861]

Beautiful presentation. I especially love the end of this video though it included mine eyes to cry . Again, very well done. Thank you .

[@davinp]

It was a series of mistakes and bad decisions that lead up to the disaster. Someone said "Everything that did could go wrong, did go wrong for Titanic"

[@ChaplainDMK]

Honestly, it feels like a lot of this could have been avoided with better labor regulations - I can totally understand Captain Lord making incorrect decisions if he was sleeping after 17 HOURS ON SHIFT. And simply having a few more wireless operators on duty so one guy isn't working nonstop from 7 in the morning until 11 in the evening, and is the only guy doing the job on the entire ship. Or same for Titanic, having 2 wireless operators for a 45000 ton ship. It feels basically everyone was completely overworked and not at all rested enough to be able to make correct decisions reliably, especially at the time where you had so many vague and confusing regulations and rules.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@ChaplainDMK I think that it's also worth remembering that at the time, much like now, technology was advancing so quickly that they were often making up the rules as they went along. The sinking of Titanic was one big reason that the rules for maritime safety were greatly improved.

[@LisaJones-xk6xz]

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[@lellyt2372]

A Night to Remember kicked off my fascination of the story of the Titanic, from her building to her demise and everything in between. I do like the movie Titanic but, A Night to Remember, although inaccurate in certain places, (especially where it has Titanic sink intact, which was the accepted wisdom at the time based on the inquiries' insistence of this regardless of multiple passengers and crew stating the fact she broke apart) just stirs my emotions on a different level. Probably because I was a young child when I first saw it. Great video and worthy of being added to the pantheon of videos made about this magnificent ship and crew and a testament to the people who lost their lives that night.

[@trj1442]

Great narration. One of my favourite channels. Thankyou.

[@aliciabrinkofski386]

This is very well done. I thought this was going to be filled with conspiracy theories and misinformation. So glad to see that was not the case. My only question is what is your source for the passengers being near and getting in the way of the rockets being fired as this is the first time I've heard about it.

[@BigOldBoats]

This detail came from On a Sea of Glass (Page 203)

[@purcascade]

​@@BigOldBoats Citations! ❤

[@GrumpyMeow-Meow]

Woohoo! Another Big Old Boats!

[@cosmicdebris42]

Excellent documentary. This story has been told many times but you still made it well worth hearing again. Thanks.

[@fmyoung]

He did so

[@tomcurda4203]

In case anyone is wondering, the movie clips are from "A Night to Remember".

[@jamescharlton4915]

What night I can’t remember

[@pandap4ntz]

He does include that info at the end of the video, just fyi, not tryna b mean or anything.

[@jamescharlton4915]

@@pandap4ntz lmao peeps who said “ not trying to be mean” are just melts

[@triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771]

​@@jamescharlton4915 I mean it's good to clarify you're not just being a glasses pusher "well acshually" person. Nothing to do with being a melt.

[@jamescharlton4915]

@@triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771 oh so you be a melt too I got ya

[@doublevideos5424]

You did a fantastic job for your first RMS Titanic video!!!😄

[@daphne8406]

Yes, it is a company signal for sure when a ship sends up rockets in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the ocean 😑 I do not understand this thought process 🤷‍♀️

[@stevenkarnisky411]

Well, @daphne8406, you were not yet born in 1912! As our narrator says, "Safety regulations were rather vague at the time."

[@ShortArmOfGod]

Well when you tell another ship there's icebergs, and that you're stopping, and then you see the other ship, stopped, what are you supposed to think?

[@mynameiswritinwater]

for one 10-12 miles (nautical miles that is 20 rough 19-22km.) distance makes even a largeship liks Titanic a TINY blip on the horizon, and mostly hidden by the curvature. Movies never get that (since the audience feels a need to see the ship itself - the screen shown here for the movies show a ship at best 2-3 miles away, at an almost flat 90° angle ). Same goes for rockets reaching up into the sky for a few hundred, even a thousand feet - that's barely a fingers width above the horizon at that distance and they only shine for almost a minute , and they might also have been fired for other purposes like illuminating the water to assist navigation or rescue (as in man-overboard ) situations. As a personal note I live on the outsskirts of a large port city in Europe, and I can see the harbour up river from where I live (that being 18km - it's a mostly straight run ). I can see the harbour and some cranes, and even the harbour bridge, but making out a signal rocket (or firework at that distance, say New Years ) is pretty hard, even in perfect visibility - which obviously was not the case on April 14th 1912. I can certainly NOT see a ship in the harbour except for the most giant of current Container-freighters (in the +12k units ) , which utterly dwarf Titanic, and evem then I see only the bridge, funnel and abovedeck structures, but not the hull unless they are halfway down the river. At 20km only object at 31metersabove sea level are visible to me... de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdkr%C3%BCmmung#:~:text=78%20mm%20auf%201%20km,85%20m%20auf%2010%20km Also stringency and directness of naval safety signals got much updated after the Titanic, starting with changed Morse codes (from CQD to now Standard SoS ) and strict regulation on rocket use, colour indications and burn durations. compare : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOS SOS became the standard signal in 1914

[@dfuher968]

Well, let me enlighten u then. Distress rockets were red. Titanic fired off white rockets, which were used for celebrations. Furthermore, while safety regulations were vague (most of what we have today is courtesy of the Titanic sinking), there were rules, including that distress rockets be fired at fixed intervals, that being 1 every minute on the minute, but Titanic only fired a total of 8 rockets over the period of an hour and with random intervals. There was nothing to say, that those were distress rocket, and everything to say that it was either entertainment for the passengers or communication with another company ship. Simple as that. Dont be denigrating, when u dont know the rules, they sailed under. Oh btw, I almost forget. Even if the Californian had somehow guessed, what we know in hindsight, they never wouldve made it to the Titanic in time. They had stopped for the night, the boilers were not lit. The Titanic wouldve sunk, b4 they even got the boilers lit and got underway. And then theres the weather conditions, that caused, what we now know as super refraction and thermal inversion. In simple terms, the weather caused optical illusions with severe distortions, which among other things hid things close to the horizon, such as the iceberg, hence why they only saw it so late. That had nothing to do with missing binoculars, binoculars were never used at night, as they would only decrease the field of vision in the dark. And the optical illusions also bent and distorted the light of far away ships, making them look much closer. The Californian may have looked to be only 5 miles away from the Titanic, but as was established in the 1992 British Inquery, the ships were actually around 20 miles apart. And the Californian being a small cargo ship would have been hours covering that distance, even if she had been ready to sail at a moments notice, which, as I outlined, she was not. And she was much smaller than Carpathia, the ppl claiming, she couldve taken all ppl off Titanic most be smoking something interesting, coz that was not physically possible, even if she couldve reached the Titanic in time. Which, again, for the reason I mentioned and several more, has been proven definitively, that she could not. She wouldve been hours too late, likely even if she had had her boilers up and running, and Captain Lord had decided to risk his ship, crew and his few passengers, like Carpathia did (and got very lucky, she didnt end up like the Titanic), she wouldve arrived well into the morning, long after Carpathia.

[@mynameiswritinwater]

just checked some stuff about HMS Carpathia coming to the rescue - she was also firing rockets both to illuminate passage through the icefield (Growlers and actual bergs,one of which she narrowly missed - possibly she was only going at 15knots instead of Tinatics 20+ - on the way to Titanic and announcing her approach to the sinking giant. And I trust the re-estimated assessment of the MIA from the 1980ies with Titanics exact position more than the takes of historians doing assessments on positions which were factually false , many of the historians which have little or limited background in actual maritime sailing and endeavours. Good historians, maybe... good mariners ? Versed with actual conditions at sea ? Less likely. It's easy to claim from the comfort of a desk that seeing something at 20+km at night is "obvious". Would like to see their actual take on a cold April night on the Great Banks

[@miketackabery7521]

Wonderful video. It's almost elegiac. Perfect wrapping it up with Boxell. Thank you. I'll remember this for a long time.

[@fmyoung]

*Boxhall :-).

[@mbvoelker8448]

For the most part I avoid anything about the Titanic because of all the hype, conspiracy nonsense, and over-romanticism of the tragedy. But since it was you, and you were focusing on an aspect of the story that hasn't been over-hyped, I watched this one. Good job.

[@durtyd9625]

Beautiful take. Too many Titanic videos are upbeat or just not the right feeling for such a tragedy down to the music chosen. Well done friend 🤙

[@Antonio-ui2mh]

As others have said Californian would have taken time to have her boilers stoked back up. She was indeed surrounded by Ice and when morning came had to find a way through icefield to Titanic. She was forced to circle around and approach from Titanic’s south just like the Carpathia. There were other ships that varried in distance from the Titanic, from 50 miles to 500 that attempted a rescue. The Mount Temple was 8 miles closer than the Carpathia and attempted a rescue. She was on the western side of the icefield and steamed south east towards the Titanic. Her Captain stopped his attempt due to the icefield being too dense to safely navigate.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

You miss the point entirely. Captain Lord was made aware of his officers' concerns about a 'large steamer' firing rockets. He simply chose not to find out what was happening in his immediate vicinity. The attack on Mount Temple, by the way, was initiated by Senan Molony in 'Titanic: A Dead Reckoning.' This was comprehensively rebutted in January 2021, when a well-known team of Titanic historians and authors released a paper entitled: 'Abandoning the Titanic', Abandoning Reality: The Truth About the SS Mount Temple.' Although Molony attempted to discredit Captain Moore of Mount Temple and lay blame for "abandoning" Titanic and those aboard her to their fate, the historical record clearly proves otherwise. At a distance of 49.5 nautical miles (91.7 km; 57.0 mi) from the famous distress coordinates of Titanic, and roughly 60 miles (97 km) from the actual location of the disaster, Mount Temple was simply too far away to be seen from those aboard Titanic, and for those aboard Mount Temple to see Titanic or her distress rockets. Carpathia was around 58 miles away.

[@sdt8764]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Thank you for your professional and cogent analysis. I'm an amateur on Titanic history, but early on I decided that SM regularly sensationalizes and alters facts so he can claim a "new discovery" about Titanic to glorify himself. He did it not just with the Mount Temple, as you correctly state here, but also with other "conclusions" he reached like over-hyping the coal fire in Titanic's hull, claiming Smith was negligent and his inattention to the fire led to the collapse of the bulkheads when the ship in the iceberg...pure fantasy by SM. He's a complete menace to professional Titanic historians like yourself. I've complained to the owners of Encyclopedia Titanica about them promoting his writings, asking that he be banned from the site. SM is a hardcore Lordite and completely manipulates the facts. I do not regard SM as a professional anything, certainly not anything to do with Titanic. Nobody ever talks about Lord's behavior as soon as he learned Titanic sank that next morning. That he went the opposite way around the ice field to make it appear to Carpathia as if he was to coming in from the outside. To try to hide his true location CLOSE to Titanic that night. Lord sailed to Boston but when he arrived he never told anyone about the events of that night. A crewman decided to go to the newspapers and report it. Had he not, there never would have been an inquiry into Lord and the Californian. Lord tried to cover up his involvement it the loss of the Titanic, plain and simple. As you know, there's lots more about Lord that never gets reported. For anyone reading this that would like to know the truth about Stanley Lord, I would suggest reading, "The Ship That Stood Still" by Leslie Reade which is the most comprehensive discussion of Lord of the Californian, and one of the first and I believe the best. On another issue, my pet peeve is people here and everywhere in the comments section about Lord say that he was too far away and wouldn't have made it anyway. That's a specious argument. Lord had a duty to try, and he didn't. Oh, and for years after the Titanic sank, survivors that said it broke in two were harassed publicly by "historians." Now these same "historians" tell us Californian was way too far away....yet Titanic survivor Eva Hart states clearly in an interview here on KZbin that she saw the Californian plain as day, and it wasn't 20 miles away it was CLOSE. It was Stanley Lord that gave us the "mystery ship" invention that SM latched onto and exploited, worming in his fantasy of the Mount Temple. Lord invented the idea of a "mystery ship" to cover his tail. Lord knew he made a mistake as soon as he learned of Titanic's sinking the next morning, and then proceeded to cover up his negligence. Not reporting his involvement when he docked in Boston. Forcing signed statements from his officers on watch that night, then locking them in his safe. The missing logbook. When asked finally by reporters if he was there that night, he replied that it was a "state secret." Lord's behavior following Titanic's sinking is that of a man that knows he's guilty. Both the British Board of Trade and the US Senate investigation found Lord NEGLIGENT. But guys like SM twist the truth and people accept it. SM is a menace to the truth. Again, thank you for debunking SM. Years later, Captain Arthur Rostron was at sea and asked by one of his officers about Stanley Lord. Rostron replied, "Oh, yes. The man that didn't think to wake his Marconi operator." Need we say more?

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@sdt8764 Thanks for your comments. Personally, I wouldn't ban Molony from anything, as his claims are easy to debunk. I incline to the opinion that he was simply a journalist on the make, and spotted an opportunity to profit from a sensationalist book on the subject. After all, Robin Gardiner did set something of a precedent! How far away Californian was has always seemed to me to have been something of a Red Herring. She was certainly near enough for her officers and lookouts to observe the lights & flares of a 'large steamer' and to report their concerns to Captain Lord. Subsequent criticism of Lord was not because he failed to rescue anyone from Titanic, but because he showed a remarkable lack of interest in the events unfolding around him, not even waking up Evans, his wireless operator, to check the airwaves to investigate. Had he done so, and then set off in Titanic's direction, even had he not reached her in time he would surely have been lauded (sorry about the pun!), like Rostron, for making the effort. Molony's claims about the fire aboard Titanic are equally improbable, of course. Marks on a photograph, well above the waterline and well forward of the affected bunker, convince no-one except either the ignorant, or those who wish to be convinced. Claiming that Mount Temple was the alleged 'mystery ship' are equally improbable. Molony in the video claimed that her appearance was distinctive, with four tall masts and a single funnel. A pity he did not show photographs of Californian in his video. Apparently, she, with four tall masts and a single funnel, was totally different! Indeed, viewing archive photographs of the two ships show how similar in appearance they were.

[@cardboardempire]

The Californian's crew had a meeting before the inquiry so they could get their stories straight. The testimony given was contradictory to the altered logs. Experts say Californian was roughtly 13 miles away from Titanic and was simply complacent on a very cold night.

[@Martin07031]

Then why did apprentice Gibson stand for himself and didnt protect Lord or Stone? Gibson told his own story as it really happened.

[@cardboardempire]

@@Martin07031 Integrity my dear Watson, integrity

[@Martin07031]

@@cardboardempire there you have your integrity www.titanicology.com/Californian/TaleOfTwoEyewitnesses.pdf

[@77biker777]

Just yesterday I watched A Night to Remember for the first time. Way better than i expected it to be

[@dfuher968]

Just as long as u dont think, its factually correct. Coz that movie and the lies of William Randolph Hearst and his yellowpaged "news"papers are the prime perpetrators for the vast majority of the many many falsehoods about the Titanic, that ppl still believe today. And even in 1959 most of it was known to be false, so no excuse.

[@mariamatheson5300]

A great movie. Good actors too.

[@fmyoung]

It is a good film

[@fmyoung]

The soundtrack composer of that film was alive for only ten more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck. His name was William Alwyn, and he died on September 11 1985

[@fmyoung]

@@mariamatheson5300 The soundtrack composer of that film was alive for only ten more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck. His name was William Alwyn, and he died on September 11 1985

[@Kroggnagch]

What a beautiful video. Well done, sir. You're so good at presenting the details from an unbiased standpoint. I love your works, and genuinely get excited knowing I still have many videos to watch from you. Thank you.

[@hughwalker5628]

Beautifully presented, as always, and fair to all involved. You brought real humanity to the story which is a rare thing. As you said, there were no villains here. We weren't there to judge. So let's not.

[@wm7089]

I love your videos and your calming voice..please don't stop with your great content 🙌

[@StephenCole1916]

"If only..." If only one single thing happened differently, the disaster may never have happened. This was something writer Walter Lord said in a documentary years ago, "If only..."

[@fmyoung]

He did say that both in his '86 book "A Night to Remember" (one of the first chapters) and also towards the end of "Titanic: The Complete Story" (1994) from A&E; he said "all these if-onlys" stirred him "more than anything"

[@StephenCole1916]

@@fmyoung I just watched that the other night!

[@Chord_]

Thank you for sharing this story. For all I know of Titanic and Carpathia and the actions that happened that fateful night, I've never seen anyone pay more attention to the Californian than a mere footnote. Hearing their side of the story, beyond the oft-repeated "they were the closest ship that night, and they never came," makes that night both more tragic and more human.

[@Rebecca-d7b]

Thank you love your videos.

[@jimboslam]

4:41 what a cool cinematography shot. Idk something about the distress rocket being fired and the captain? being apathetic towards it. I have never seen the black and white titanic, but that shot just conveys character to me.

[@_KRose]

The fact that they saw the rockets but nobody thought to wake the wireless operator to try communicating is one of those unfortunate bits of negligence. Everything else can be excused. I guess there wasn't much in the way of regulation back then to state "hey, these rockets mean one thing and ONLY one thing and this ship needs help" so there was a lot of room for guessing and assuming.

[@commonwombat9171]

Yes, the one item where Captain Lord of the Californian warrants censure was his failure to have his wireless operator woken and go "back on the air". Would they have got there before Titanic went down ? No, Californian WAS too far away and not fast enough plus the reality of having to safely negotiate their way there through an ice field at night. Remember that Rostron on the Carpathia slowed down once he reached the ice field. Might a few more lives been saved ? A "Maybe" at very best.

[@NoewerrATall]

Wireless radio communication aboard ship was still a pretty new situation at the time of the Titanic sinking. As Bradley himself mentioned in the video, the radio on Titanic was considered to be mostly a first-class perk, and not a critical system aboard ship. It's likely that Captain Lord on his bridge that night didn't understand the possibilities that the radio set on board represented and so never occurred to him to wake the radio operator.

[@helenafarkas4534]

@@commonwombat9171 he was. he happened to tune in during one of the periods of jamming due to so many ships trying to talk at once(there was only one available frequency).the transcript shows that happened MULTIPLE times that night. unable to make sense of the din, he went back to bed.

[@tominsley787]

@@NoewerrATall "It's likely that Captain Lord on his bridge that night didn't understand the possibilities that the radio set on board represented and so never occurred to him to wake the radio operator." OR ... Captain Lord, finding himself in sea ice for the first time as a captain, had the following thought process: "Hm. What Stone is telling me sounds like it _might_ be a distress signal ... or it might not. I'm not 100% sure, and as long as I'm not 100% sure then I can stay put for the night. But if I wake up Evans, and he finds out that it really is a ship in distress ... well, then I'm committed." And he rolled the dice that it would be okay to wait until daybreak to figure out what was going on ....

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

The unfortunate thing is that Third Officer Lt Charles Groves was actually an amateur radio hobbyist himself, and he'd had Mr Evans show him how to power the system on and take down incoming messages. Lt Groves went into the office and put on the headphones at one point to listen and didn't hear anything. He had unknowingly forgotten one switch that would have brought the reception array online, but he reported to Lt Stone that there were no signals being sent-which in turn only would have made Stone less confident that what he was seeing was anything all that serious, and that Evans needed to be roused and brought back on duty. There were at least a good half-dozen factors at play that left _Californian's_ crew both horribly confused about the situation, and yet also frustratingly blind to just how little they actually understood about it, and almost none of those elements can be reasonably classified as negligence on their part. Had any one of literally hundreds of uncontrollable non-human factors been just the slightest bit different, we wouldn't be here more than a century later.

[@Inkling777]

Many thanks for the best research on this issue I've seen.

[@mychaldbeausoleil3043]

Growing up I had the pleasure of meeting and talking with one of the survivors.

[@fmyoung]

Which ones?

[@fmyoung]

Which ones?

[@joshbau5481]

Which ones?

[@fmyoung]

You should tell the Titanic Historical Society; I'm eager to hear what they have to say to that

[@m0bilemechanix]

It was likely the federal reserve guys making sure it went down

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Odd, then, that no-one mentioned this possibility until the appearance of social media in the 1990s, isn't it?

[@paulfri1569]

Bingo!

[@fitmesslife]

Genau

[@samiirai]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 ohh the paradox. How would we know? there was no social media... also there were no whistleblowers, only mentally ill suicidal whatchamacallit. Odd indeed.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@samiirai Where the 'Federal Reserve' nonsense is concerned, we already know the opinions of Astor, Guggenheim, & Straus. Newspapers, archives, documents, minutes of meetings etc., all existed. The world did not begin with the invention of social media.

[@jakeschindler1762]

If I’m remembering correctly, “A Night to Remember” was the titanic film my elementary school teacher loaned me in like 5k or 1st grade. I have always been interested in disasters and historical events in general. I grew up on history documentaries and real war footage. Probably not the best thing for a little kid to watch, but I did and it honestly allows me to stay calm and think rationally during emergencies, as well as use knowledge from similar situations I’ve researched. Avoided many possibly fatal situations due to calm rational thinking that such things have taught me.

[@marcuscarana9240]

In the 1997 Titanic film, the Californian is shown in one scene as a very tiny dot of light far away in the distance. The dot of light was so tiny you had to zoom in just to see it in the scene.

[@gregorydahl]

A whaling ship was illegally hunting whales with flare parachute rockets but would not answer because they were illegal and titsnic was called unsinkable . The emlty ship california was farther ahead waiting for titanic as planned but titanic was stopped signaling the whaling ship . The carpathia came the next morning . The ship labled titanic was in fact the older beat up and bent olympic with tin plated hand painted letters over the name olympic . Olypic was so damaged from numerous wreck one of which was a collision with the hms hawk navy ship that would not pay . So white star lines swithched the nameplates and planned on sinking the olympic and say it was the new titanic and collect insurance .

[@thatoneguy9666]

@@gregorydahlnot true, the titanic was the titanic

[@AntiContradiction]

​@@gregorydahl what a lame theory with no evidence to back it up to this day

[@kainhall]

​@gregorydahl which has been debunked

[@HazmatUnit]

​@@gregorydahlYou don't think Captain Smith would of realized it was the Olympic, he was also a captain of the Olympic at one point in his career

[@spaceshuttledoorgunner125]

Not only a great documentary. Also a masterful narration. Bravo.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

So the crew of the Titanic were barely able to get their 20 existing lifeboats away in time. How exactly would 20 more have helped? Sure, a few more could've maybe been launched. But we're talking 1500 people. It would barely have made a difference, if any.

[@jgs1703]

They might have launched the boats faster if they knew there was more boats available. They also could have used gotten into the boats once the titanic sank much like the ones that were overturned in the water. I see this NPC thought and comment shared everywhere among titanic videos that more lifeboats would have made zero difference.

[@juliadagnall5816]

⁠@@jgs1703There is a limit to how quickly you can manually launch a lifeboat, especially since the boats were not motorized and took time to get clear of the ship. Improperly launched life boats have killed many, many people. The introduction of motorized davits and boats would make a big difference, but even in more modern maritime accidents it’s pretty rare for a passenger ship to be able to evacuate the entire ship’s complement without having outside assistance.

[@jgs1703]

@juliadagnall5816 they could have launched them quicker. There was plenty of people who could have helped launched who didn't help that night. They also could have gotten on top of the lifeboats if they flipped just liked they did that night.

[@juliadagnall5816]

@@jgs1703They launched 20 lifeboats in roughly 1 hour and 35 minutes, that’s an average of one boat every five minutes. Launching lifeboats was skilled work, if the boat got tangled in the lines or became unbalanced it could capsize, sending its passengers to their deaths. It’s kind of amazing all of Titanic’s lifeboats (other than collapsible B) were successfully launched. More collapsibles might have helped, since they could theoretically be floated from the deck, but clinging to an overturned boat would have only helped the very physically fit. The water temperature that night was 28 degrees, under those conditions the average person will lose consciousness in 15 minutes and pass away from hypothermia in 45. A swimmer in the water only had a very brief window before they lost muscle control and a number of those who started off in the swamped collapsible A or the capsized collapsible B didn’t make it.

[@jgs1703]

@@juliadagnall5816 they could have assembled additional crews to launch more lifeboats. It's not rocket science.

[@michaelschuette1743]

I've been watching this channel sense 9k subs thr content is always good

[@davinp]

Also, after the Titanic sinking, laws were passed to require enough lifeboats for all passengers and that lifeboat drills were mandatory. Captian Smith canceled the lifeboat drill that was scheduled for the morning on April 14, 1912.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

There had been a lifeboat drill in Southampton before Titanic sailed. I assume you know that such drills involved the crew only, not passengers?

[@SofaKingShit]

Due to the fact that lifeboats are a an extremely important part of a ships safety system that can safely shelter many dozens of people out on the open ocean in potentially appallingly hazardous weather conditions in what could possibly be, at least in the worst case scenario, an extended period of time potentially lasting several weeks and in spite of the fact that modern lifeboats are made of very durable and tough materials designed to successfully ride out hurricanes and even survive collisions with rocks or ice l don't think that there should be any drilling going on around the lifeboats, especially with power drills. It only takes one mistake and somebody could drill right into the hull.

[@dfuher968]

The lifeboats are the subject of so so many lies and conspiracy theories. As is Captain Smith. As @dovetonsturdee7022 said, there was a lifeboat drill in Southampton, b4 they sailed. Captain Smith was not negligent, he fully complied with the safety regulations of the White Star Line, which were actually far more stringent than the legal regulations of the time. Just like Titanic had twice the number of lifeboats, they were required to have. It is correct, that laws were passed after the Titanic sinking, and not just regarding lifeboats. The vast majority of the safety regulations, we have today, came about due to the Titanic. Unfortunately most ppl never consider the regulations of the time, they only consider modern regulations and hence have a very distorted view of it. Just like most ppl have a very distorted, dishonest view of Captain Smith. Courtesy of William Randolph Hearst, who just made loads of stuff and deliberately smeared Bruce Ismay (who he had a personal grudge against, since Ismay had once refused an interview with his paper, coz apparently he was that petty and vindictive) and Captain Smith as an extension. The records of the time say something completely different, yet ppl still spread Hearst's lies today. He was the original fake news perpetrator.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

He didn't actually cancel it-he rescheduled it for 9:00AM the following morning, the exact time Captain Rostron was closing _Carpathia's_ gangways and preparing to leave the site of the disaster with the survivors.

[@mariamatheson5300]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 I thought that was when she did her sea trials.

[@starrnell4497]

And you did a great job. Newer and fresher material. Good job. 🎉

[@oldelephantstew]

I recently watched on television a documentary which put forward the view that the mystery ship seen from "Titanic" was the Canadian Pacific liner "Mount Temple". The key word here is "mystery" - I don't think that we'll ever know for sure though I thought that the case put forward in this documentary was fairly convincing.

[@aliciabrinkofski386]

This has been debunked. The Mount Temple was no where near the area she was docked hundreds of miles away.

[@plaidzebra5526]

I've seen that same documentary on PBS. Always thought it was interesting how some members of the Mount Temple left the ship once they got to port and claim that pages of the ships log around the date of the sinking were ripped out of the log

[@aliciabrinkofski386]

@plaidzebra5526 But she never left port. It has thoroughly documented with witness accounts. That she never left her port. She was docked the whole time.. I do believe if it is the documentary. I'm thinking of I saw it too. It is done by the same guy who started the whole cail fire conspiracy theory.. It is full of false and misinformation..

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@aliciabrinkofski386 she was 50 miles away from the Titanic.

[@aliciabrinkofski386]

@merafirewing6591 No she wasn't. She was in port and never left. She ownslogs , crew and eye Witness accounts state as such. Look into a book On a Sea of Glass ( Which was used as a source for this video.) and Strangers on the Horizon by Samuel Hartpurn for information.

[@flapjackfae]

The shifting narrative between the ships' stories is very effective and very smoothly written.

[@jamess4869]

I often wondered why, when they stopped the Titanic and realized the damage, they didn't order the engines to full power and head tword the California...At that point the engines still worked and California would have woke up having a ship closing in on them.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

When you ship is going down by the bow, steaming into the sea is really not all that good an idea.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

​@@dovetonsturdee7033 ...as demonstrated just a few years later by her own younger sister HMHS _Britannic._ Besides, by the time the lights on the northern horizon were spotted, most of the pressure had already been vented out of the steam lines-there was barely enough left to keep the lights on and the radio running, which altogether used orders of magnitude less power than the main drive engines.

[@Nobody.exe50]

The reflection at the end hits hard along with the song and the fate of that man

[@sakonaga1]

@19:26, the villains in the Titanic story are Mr William Carter who abandoned his family and Crewman Robert Hitchens who refused to go back for survivors and frightened the passengers in his lifeboat.

[@blevinsfrank5453]

I heard lightoller killed many that night. He murdered several italians.

[@workingunderwater]

Love this! Great job man! Well done.

[@josh656]

The U.S. Postal Museum in DC has an exhibit on Titanic’s mail.

[@thelaborpeasant]

The strangest bit of this entire back and forth is that both ships seem to be looking in the wrong direction yet still seeing each other. Californian is north of Titanic so she should see Titanic to port, yet reports say she saw a ship to starboard. Then vice versa for Titanic's report. The coincidences do seem to point to them actually seeing each other but it's just strange how they both get the direction wrong

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Californian's second officer, Stone, took over the watch at midnight. Although Californian was stopped, during the course of his watch, her heading changed by almost 180 degrees from NE to SW. On a moonless, calm night this would make the lights of a stationary ship on the southern horizon apparently move from right to left. Without noting how Californian’s heading was changing, Stone could have just ‘eyeballed’ the other ship and come to the conclusion that it was slowly moving to the southeast - an impression that would be heightened by the lights growing less distinct, as if she was sinking below the horizon. In fact his own ship was swinging beneath him.

[@Ci-D3]

Beautifully done, thanks for the video

[@greggrauscher34]

I really enjoyed this video. Very informative as I learned a lot about the actions (or lack of) of the California. Thanks

[@oganvildevil]

Aw yiss, give us that big, old, boat story

[@thebernice6062]

When I hear about situations like this, I'm reminded of something I heard a retired special ops guy say: "In an emergency you will NOT rise to the occasion, you will fall to your level of training." It sounds like the Californian crew didn't train on response to possible distress signals. They fell back on the "book" and dismissed their instincts.

[@diannebdee]

No matter the issue, Captain Lord's conduct was deplorable during both hearings. And remember, "I was sleeping." That's the same thing as "I was just following orders" from Nuremberg. Also, where was the scratch log? Where did it go? There was also some speculation the ship's log itself had been tampered with. My take is that after Titanic sank, Lord ordered his men to cover up what they knew. There may be no villains, however, Lord didn't help himself by his reticence to act to go to Titanic's position, or to admit The Californian was the "mystery ship." Anyone of the Titanic crew who survived told of the "mystery ship." I think we know who that was and why they didn't respond, "I was sleeping."

[@fmyoung]

In contrast to Cpt Rostron's testimony which was prompt and forthright Lord's was very hesitant. I, too, have a feeling that he might've ordered a coverup I have a feeling he just didn't feel like giving up on his nice and toasty warm bunk. He thought it was all he would ever have to do to tell the court that he took what he saw as the prudent step of laying stopped for the night while the Titanic was careening recklessly through the ice. As it turned out, that slap on Cpt Smith's face didn't work. And then there was not only Ernest Gill's affidavit but also the Californian's carpenter James McGregor who stated that they were close enough to see the Titanic's lights and distress rockets. It is McGregor's story, not Gill's affidavit, that raised the first serious charges against Lord and his officers .

[@MrDaros89]

@@jeffreyloll4291 Also a major convenience how some of the biggest opponents of the Federal Reserve Act was travelling on the same cruiser.

[@fmyoung]

I might add too that Cpt Lord's testimony often conflicted with that of his officers including apprentice James Gibson

[@supers0nic77]

​@@MrDaros89this needs to be talked about more often

[@roselightinstorms727]

RIP THOMAS ANDERWS❤ never wanted to leave home🎉

[@arkhanthewhite2006]

Nice unique Titanic vid.

[@roypiltdown5083]

towards the end, the narrator speculates, "what if she had carried 20 more lifeboats?" in fact, because the crew had not trained in loading & lowering the boats they had (and there had not been a proper lifeboat drill with the passengers), the boats were lowered one by one, and the last ones were done at the very last minute. if she HAD carried more boats, they would have gone down, unloaded, with the ship itself.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

There had been a lifeboat drill, in Southampton.

[@mariamatheson5300]

​@@dovetonsturdee7033I thought those were only sea trials. And as far as the boat drill, captain Smith had taken the Olympic across a number of times, and the two ships were identical, maybe he felt a lifeboat drill wasn't essential.

[@stevenrapson1148]

Great episode. Thank you

[@shawnkeith1164]

Unfortunately more lifeboats would not have helped. They barely had time to launch the ones they had.

[@bri-manhunter2654]

I never thought of that.

[@aliciabrinkofski386]

@@bri-manhunter2654 Thimk of it this way. The last two boats were floated off the ship. One upside down.

[@bri-manhunter2654]

@@aliciabrinkofski386. You are totally right! A lot of navy vessels that sank in WWII were the same way, not enough time to use the lifeboats.

[@commodorezero]

Correct. If they had a timer and went as fast as they could maybe they could done 1-2 more but it is clear they didn't have time to launch 48 boats if they had them. The logic behind not updating lifeboat regs for superliners was sound because an incident where help couldn't arrive in time is not likely to be one where you have the time to launch all the boats.

[@tinypoolmodelshipyard]

Another thing most dont realize about lifeboats is most ships sink leaning to one side or other. Making the boats on the higher side useless. Titanic is one of the only ships to sink on a mostly even keel. Most capsize or roll on their damaged side before the final plunge. Titanic is a anomaly in shipwrecks. The thought behind 48 lifeboats shouldnt have been to fit all, but to sure there was enough on each side incase one side became inoperable. Also advances in davits made this less of a concern also. But most ships sink faster than all the boats can be put into use

[@louise_rose]

It's likely that the Titanic was further away from the Californian than it appeared optically during that night - a weather mirage may have created a "telescope effect" that pushed her image up over the horizon line. In any case, the Californian was far too small a ship to be able to quickly rescue a big part of the 1500 people left on board the Titanic when she sank.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Did Lord's officers voice their concerns after seeing the rockets or not. Are you seriously suggesting that, as Californian couldn't hold every survivor, her captain was justified in not bothering at all? Incidentally, ships less than half the size of Californian were able to carry 800 troops, and more, during the Dunkirk evacuation.

[@sdt8764]

Doesn't matter. They saw the rockets and did nothing. Whether they could have gotten there in time or not is irrelevant. They had a DUTY TO TRY and did nothing. That is why both investigations, British and US, both found Lord guilt of negligence.

[@johnjephcote7636]

I understood that Lightoller interpreted 'Women and children first' as 'Women and children only', resulting in some lifeboats with room to spare. I recall that Walter Lord's book (containing inaccuracies) stated that one of the Californian's officers had noted that rockets were often fired in the Tropics for amusement...which sounds a crazy observation in this latitude.

[@colindeer4908]

A brilliant presentation. I'm a OHS guy. You can clearly see where laws originate following such catastrophic events such as these. Rules used by a group weren't generally accepted or could be taken with a grain of salt. And hours of monitoring radios had its limitations.. Basic measures for survival at sea, to unify the world, were needed after this. Great research for the video. I really enjoyed it. In the day, the captain of the Californian, would have been loathed and people would have made their feelings known. The public would not forgive a crew who watched a ship go down.

[@tinypoolmodelshipyard]

The villian was the iceburg! Obviously 🤣

[@fmyoung]

The iceberg is not at fault the villains were certain people in the story

[@timbounds7190]

I read somewhere that the officers on the Californian thought the ship that they could see was generally similar to their own ie a Medium size Cargo/Passenger ship. I think that it would be surprising if professional seamen, employed in commercial navigation, failed to recognise the Titanic, which was the biggest, newest most prestigious liner on the planet - especially as they (presumably) knew that the Titanic was in their general area, unless visibility conditions were very weird.

[@mariamatheson5300]

Good point.

[@zainmudassir2964]

I love big old boats

[@rumjack5286]

Thank you for using "a night to remember" in the background

[@ajbianchi85]

The iceberg was the villain

[@fmyoung]

No it wasn't the whole tragedy happened because of humans :D

[@ajbianchi85]

Honestly I don’t think captain Smith gets enough blame for ignoring the ice warnings and then kinda freezing up during the sinking. Plus him and Lightholler sticking to the woman and children only creedo instead of Murdochs more lenient woman and children first.

[@mariamatheson5300]

​@@fmyoungI think the poster was being sarcastic.

[@fmyoung]

@@mariamatheson5300 Maybe

[@fmyoung]

@@ajbianchi85 What I always heard is that Cpt Smith said "Women and children first"; Lightoller then thought it meant "Women and children only."