THIS NEW ULTRALIGHT 5-INCH RIPPER IS AWESOME (TWIG ET5 2004 1700KV 6S)

[@bonggon]

I have to hand it to you. I made this build 6 months ago based on this video. The only difference is that I went digital. This is my daily driver and it's a lot of fun to fly and very versatile. If I want fast flying I use my tattu r-line 650mah (avg 7 min), if I want cruising with freestyle I use my GNB 1100mah HV (avg 12 min) and if I want to do long range I crank up the power on my radio and goggles and use my Auline 3000mah 6s li-ion pack (avg 26 min). You were definitely ahead of the curve! The Rekon 5 that people are raving about is exactly what this build is. Keep up the great work. I'm glad to have found your channel.

[@nasone32]

There's a topic nobody ever talks about. Which is propeller slip. On ultralight models the propeller slips less (advances more) when rotating through the air, so you need less pitch and less rpm to achieve a similar speed. And this is also why they are so quiet.

[@subtilo3322]

Love the moves, Love the quad, Love the song. I'll have it in my head today... Everywhere I go!

[@LittleMissRollerCoaster]

awesome rip! flys like other heavier 5 inch and more stable than other smaller toothpicks! impressive!

[@chrisbee5481]

Hey Nate, Im wondering about the frames. The x knight frames are pretty light. Are the Twig frames more durable and stiff ? I built a 3.5 inch twig, but Im tempted to try a 4 or 5 inch twig build. Not sure if i should go for 4 inch first or directly 5 inch. 4 inch isnt much bigger than my 3.5 inch twig. 4 inch im thinking of the hglrc 1804 3500kv 12.7g motors. Some say the 5 inch is too floaty. I guess 2004 motors are the minimum seize for a 5 inch prop. Its a snowball with the weight then... Thanks for the inspiation

[@MrShutterBug]

The Twig Mutant and Twig ET5 frames are definitely more durable and stiff than the X-Knight. I enjoy both 4" and 5".

[@fpvlive]

that's quite impressive, I'm quite curious how this setup does in combination with Bob roogi's 2203 3000KV on 3 and 4S

[@MrShutterBug]

The FPVCycle 2203 would probably work too, but the KV is much higher so you would have to drop down to 3S. To deliver the same thrust on 3S you would need to double the current. Thus, I steady of pulling 25A in those tight power loops, you would be pulling 50A. Instead of 64A (the most I’ve ever seen on this drone), you would be pulling... a lot. So I think 2203 is probably a great size. I would love to try them out. But I think there is a real advantage to running 6S on a 5”. It keeps the current low which protects the batteries and protects the little AIO FC from excessive heat.

[@22Billy92]

@@MrShutterBug on the point! 👌🏻 Thanks for your amazing work! Keep it up! 🤘🏻

[@Max_0578]

Fantastic video man. Really enjoyed it!

[@노해석-h3o]

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[@sixtofive]

That's some impressive performance! I think I'd probably go 4s 3000 kv myself, but it's great to see you've finally found a mix that you're happy with on these light 5" builds. Those gemfan 5125 props really work well for these light weight setups. Without changing your current setup, you could probably drop down to a 4s 850 and the gemfan 51433 props for some much longer cruising flights as well.

[@nickvledder]

That is some impressive flying!

[@jcfpv3454]

That's sweet I love the 6s 3/5 inch (beast mode)

[@choppergirl]

210 deg/s. For the longest time, my sweet point I kept returning to was always around 220.

[@xman0674]

Amazing video and perfectly matched music)))) What capacity was the battery on the quad when recording this video? OSD shows used 930 mah. This is not correct sensor error ?

[@MrShutterBug]

For that flight, I used a GNB 750mah 6S battery. If it said 930mah on the OSD, then the current sensor must not have been calibrated.

[@xman0674]

@@MrShutterBug Thanks.

[@havok4103]

I plan to put this in a 2.5” build with caddx dji! Thinking it will scream at ~160 grams

[@DrMacca]

What an awesome build! That thing is a bullet!

[@Clif_Brown]

Great rip Nate! ET5 on 2004 is a awesome flyer!

[@spiderspock]

Whau, I was so much inspired by this build!. So I build it the same way and what can I say... It's awesome!!! Thanks so much for your tip! I fly it with 3S, because the 4S variant is really too fast for me:-) or should I say, I do not have the right space for 4S?

[@markmiranda5644]

Can you reveal the aio you used yet? Im looking at the JHEMCU 6s 35a aios. Ones an updated 411 pro, and a 405 for a few bucks more with some doa reviews. Im undecided. Any recommendations between these two more affordable aios?

[@MrShutterBug]

Yes, I was using the new BetaFPV F7 AIO. I'll update the description of this video. Thanks for reminding me. I made a video with all the details about the FC (kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqrWZYJraKZkh7c). The BetaFPV F7 has been good, but it is not cheap. I haven't used the JHEMCU FCs but they would probably work fine too. F405 is faster than F411 which helps if you want to run a 4K PID loop with RPM filtering enabled. It's really just the RPM filtering that is CPU intensive. Hope that helps. Have fun!

[@miguelt.7997]

Love your build, inspiring me to do it. In 2021, would you change anything from the build list? Also, where can you find the canopy? thank you.

[@MrShutterBug]

I still really enjoy this build. It flies great! The 2004 motors work well with the low pitch t-mount props. A larger motor like a 2203 would be good too. Anything smaller than 2004 would not be as good. I have the betafpv 2004 motors and they fly great but they are not durable. The shaft is hollow and the bell is not attached as securely as I would like. I already had one bell slip relative to the shaft, allowing the bell to pull up. I was able to fix it, but it will probably happen again. I made two changes to mine since this video. 1) I switched the video to Shark Byte (something I don't do to just any build because it's expensive, but I really enjoy this one so it was worth it), and 2) I added a "lucky box" beeper which has a battery to make it beep even if the battery is ejected in a crash. The beeper was added because I lost the drone in a tree for multiple days until a friend spotted it for me using his camera drone. Oh, and the canopy is usually sold with the frame as a kit. You can also buy official canopies from phoenix3d.com, but the STL file is not public. Cheers!

[@miguelt.7997]

@@MrShutterBug Ok, just finished building. First impression, if by terrifying you mean fun, sure, I'll give it to you!

[@FPVSkittles]

A Shutterbug Video Premier! Ill be there

[@sketchpv3080]

1700kv is kinda low for 5” 6S but this thing blasts! I bet you could easily run the 1950kv version at this weight. Throttle scale slightly if needed.

[@MrShutterBug]

Yeah, you're probably right, but there is also an advantage to keeping the current requirements low. All it needs is 550-750mah 6S! Cheers!

[@sketchpv3080]

Oops, I mistook these motors for the BrotherHobby VY 2004s. Looks like these are available in 1700 or 3000kv.

[@MrShutterBug]

@@sketchpv3080 yeah, but those BH motors would probably work great too!

[@kobi-kobsen]

I use the brotherhobby on my 4s Sub250 5inch and they perform great but the quality is terrible. On some the shaft is pushed out when trying to put a prop on. Two got killed in minor crashes. I would go for the betafpv next time.

[@sketchpv3080]

A representative of BrotherHobby acknowledged that a small number of early production 2004 motors were sent out without epoxy to hold the shaft in place. Hopefully they’ve corrected that issue now. I’m using the VY 1504.5 motors that are of similar construction on two quads and I’ve had no issues.

[@cookedfpv]

any thoughts after all this time on retrofitting with hdzero whoop lite or freestyle?

[@josuanicolas2548]

Great video! But, can betaf722 use 2207 1700kv motor? Thanks

[@MrShutterBug]

Can the F7 AIO run 2207 motors? I've never tried such a large motor with it. The short answer is yes, it will fly, but... it's a question of how much current your drone needs. The AIO has 35A rated FETs but the board itself is not thick enough to have heavy copper traces running through it. Therefore, I assume that it would overheat if you ever tried to pull anything near 35A per motor (that would be 140A total). To be safe, I recommend using a 20x20mm stack with a regular 4-in-1 ESC for a build like that.

[@davidanderson6222]

NEXT FRAME!!! WOW

[@mikebergman1817]

AH, I was holding out to hear what FC you were running, but it must be a prototype board! Is there any way you could share just the Amp rating on the FC Mr. Nate?? I'm also curious if you've tried a 65mm whoop with the GnarlyFPV "Invert" kit? It's clean little solution to converting a 65mm whoop into a pusher style. I just finished a 75mm "invert" to be run on 2s, with Emax Tinyhawk motors, so the props push over the bells and allows you to achieve a very low profile motor with prop installed. The pusher whoops handle so welll!!

[@MrShutterBug]

Hi! The FC is a 35A 6S AIO, but it's a new one with some more bells and whistles. I will have a video with all the details as soon as it is officially announced. That might be in the next 24 hours, so stay tuned. :-) I have not tried the GnarlyFPV "Inverter" but I do have some pusher whoops, including the pusher version of the Zero Grav by R3D Shifters. Pushers are pretty cool, but man do those motors like to pick up hair when I take off from the carpet!

[@mikebergman1817]

@@MrShutterBugVery exciting!!! I'll be eagerly watching for that! I love the innovation with the whoop style AIO boards right now, It's all kind of unreal. Quadmovr was doing some insane los acro on a 5" XKnight on 6s, running the BetaFPV 35a board which is close to the most abuse I've seen an aio board, along with your flights of course. I would love to see one with 8 outputs for a micro X8, or something. As for the pusher whoops, YES they unfortunately pick up all the hair! My wife uses the time I spend cleaning hair out of props, to hassle me about vacuuming, all in good fun of course:)

[@MrShutterBug]

Mike Bergman the new FC won’t be released today apparently, but hopefully soon.

[@pisqua187]

hi mr shutterBug! i just finished building this little beast using a betafpv 35A f411. I changed 2 FC and still have power problems. i think these board can't support the 35A they write .. i tried both with 2204 motors from spcmaker 3000kv in 4s and these betafpv 2004 1700kv in 6s with lipo 650 and 850mah .. with 6s i have less problems but if i run fast sometimes osd disappears ... have you ever had similar problems? another question. are there currently better propellers than the 5125 ?? my xnight 4 with 1506 3000 from betafpv in 4s eat this beast in 6s ....maybe is 1700kv?

[@MrShutterBug]

It is weird that your OSD disappears. I have had other FCs where the OSD starts to flicker of bounce, but I don't know what causes it. Does it only happen at high throttle? As for the 35A rating, that is the rating of the individual FETs. However, the traces in the AIO FC don't have enough copper in it to carry 4x35A (140A total!), that would overheat the FC for sure.

[@philhughes546]

Firstly, WOW! I have built a few different builds over the last 2 yrs and my lightest 5" was 360g with a 4s 850mah and dalfold props (i wasn't trying to break records just happen to build a light quad ) so my question mr shutterbug is... whats your AUW as I can't see it in the video or description or comments anywhere (unless im blind)

[@MrShutterBug]

It depends on the battery. Total weight with a Tattu R-Line 650mah 6S battery is around 284g.

[@bcc1955]

Sweet video and quad! Only other ultralight I am looking at that may be competitive is TBS Source Podracer. I am building 4" version but it is available as 5" as well. Much stronger than the BetaFPV Knight series albeit maybe difficult to get under 250g as is this Twig setup. Would be awesome if you could review!!!

[@Ohmz_i]

Hey got a question. So imagine if we were to use same motor and setup but on 7" 80g frame. Do you think it will be slow ? Also what do you think the battery life is going to be like ? Thanks!!!!

[@MrShutterBug]

I'm not sure these exact motors would work on a 7" frame. Most 7" frames require motors with 16x16mm spaced motor screws. The 2004 motors in this video have 12x12mm spacing. Also, the motors in this video use T-mount. Are there any 7" motors that have t-mount? If there is a prop and frame to make the combination work, then I expect that it would probably fly but it would not have good acro performance because the motors would not have enough torque to rapidly change the momentum of such a large prop. If you goal is long range cruising, then yes that might work. I do not know what the flight time would be, but a drone with a large prop and low weight should be pretty efficient.

[@bentsai9259]

Hi Nate! Do you think this setup would still work well if it was a little heavier, carrying a Caddx Vista and Nebula Pro camera? Or do you think it would need a little more power? I've been eyeing these motors and the XING 2005s for a similar build. What do you think? PS --I'm replacing the FC and the VTX on my 85x ( you wrote me back in a different note)

[@MrShutterBug]

It could definitely carry the vista and still have good performance. The biggest issue with this build is that the props and 2004 motors are not very durable. I haven’t tried the XING 2005, but if you do then please report back and let us know what you think.

[@bentsai9259]

Sounds good. Thanks for the info!

[@Extreme3DAerobatics]

I built the same 2 month ago, so not really new ;-) but I took the BrotherHobby 2004 with 1950KV and it ripps even more!!!! :-D :-D ^^ Built with the Twig ET5 Frame, Runcam Racer nano 2, Crossfire nano RX, TBS Unify nano pro32, Dipole Antenna, BetaFPV 35A 2-6s AIO. For the SDL in Switzerland with LEDs mounted on top and on bottom of the arms. Must be a bit lighter than yours and much faster ;-) Could give you Photos from it, if you wish?

[@BBSlats]

I am looking at doing the same motors. What are the max amps you are seeing. How is the aio holding up

[@Extreme3DAerobatics]

@@BBSlats I normally fly those motors at 90% throttle limit and so around 40 amps in total. Seems nice to me 👌 The AIO works still well but I try to not force it to the max for reliability.

[@Extreme3DAerobatics]

@@BBSlats Be aware to not tighten the bottom screws too much, because the aluminuim of the Motors seems not to be as hard as 7075 is 😏

[@BBSlats]

@@Extreme3DAerobatics Thanks. Lol i leaned my lesson with the smaller stuff and the 2mm stripping What packs are you using and what flight times are you seeing on average.

[@Extreme3DAerobatics]

@@BBSlats Haha yes those M2 are really tiny and don't hold much force 😅 For fast flying 6s 650mAh at around 3min and 6s 850mAh for longer flights with 4 to 5min

[@marksherman630]

Great! Glad you found the 5" formula. But I don't want to move to 6S. Have you tried it on 4S? Like to know the difference in performance.

[@MrShutterBug]

4S can work too, especially if you already have batteries, but I think 6S is objectively better. A low KV 6S can deliver the same thrust as a 4S but do it with less current. Less current means it is not has hard on the batteries and the components (including the AIO) won't heat up as much. BUT... 6S the the maximum voltage supported by the board. There is a chance that running the board on 6S will make it more likely to fail. That is possible, but I've been flying 6S and I don't hold back. Fingers crossed!

[@marksherman630]

@@MrShutterBug Pretty convincing. I was surprised how much better the Amp draw was on the product page. I hate having to change my opinion!

[@drobecekkkk]

@@MrShutterBug I dont think your argument for 6S is quite right, yes, you get lower amperage but at higher voltage so the wattage should be about the same. Which means the generated heat should be about the same as well as the battery load for the size of the cells. I'm thinking of building one myself and its pretty hard to decide.

[@alcurtis93]

Has this been sped up. Just watched it on a 65 inch OLED TV and it feels 'off'. It may just be me though

[@MrShutterBug]

Nope. All the footage is real-time. The post-flight OSD screen shows how long the drone was armed. Feel free to compare that to the flight duration.

[@Max_0578]

Betafpv can learn from this!

[@luismxfpv208]

Awsome rip amigo Mr Shutterbug!! I think betafpv is writing down everything haha

[@baron93002]

Do you think it is possible to convert the 3 inch bnf version of this frame, the twig xl from betafpv to the sharkbyte system?

[@MrShutterBug]

Yeah, sharkbyte should work on the 3" Twig as long as you use the VTX which is shaped like a whoop FC. It just means you will need longer screws and an extra set of spacers to lift up the canopy.

[@shoecrew8485]

I have been watching your videos on ultralights. What do you think is the ultimate racing rig below 250g at this point? Do you prefer 4” or 5” below 250g?

[@MrShutterBug]

It is certainly possible to build 5” under 250g, but it’s not easy. To get there, you usually have to go with a frame and motors that are less durable, which could be a frustrating combination for serious racing. This ET5 flies great! It would be really good on a track, but the motors are not very durable at all. The bells can slip and the shaft is 2mm and hollow. And my ET5 is not sub-250g. To get sub 250 would require a lighter canopy and/or an even skinnier frame. So, I would say make it as light as you can but make it tough if you really want to race it. If 250g is a hard limit for you, then 4” might be a better option for you. It is much easier to build a tough 4” under 250g. They can be great, especially on tight technical tracks, but 5” is better for speed and efficiency, especially on the larger tracks. Hope that helps. Have fun!

[@shoecrew8485]

@@MrShutterBug thanks for the detailed response

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Ultralight long range.. room for big battery? Biblades

[@gerdanc]

Have you tried the TBS pod racer frame?

[@MrShutterBug]

Nope. Do you like it?

[@gerdanc]

Mr ShutterBug I don’t have one. That’s why I ask. I see you use a lot of RacerX frames. I am wanting to build an ultralight 5 inch. I am just trying to put a parts list together as of now.

[@Max_0578]

Let's goo!

[@duncanwilliams5790]

Eyeeeew! Gross dude. LOLs

[@illdogfpv6888]

That is soo cool!👍

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

Have you tried the 2203 motors from fpvcycle yet?

[@MrShutterBug]

No I have not. They look great too, but they have a much higher KV, so I wouldn't be able to run 6S. I really think 6S is beneficial for light 5" drones because it requires less current pumping through the little AIO FC. Cheers!

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

@@MrShutterBug Thanks! I am thinking on building a PowerPick4". I´ve heard people saying 2203 motors are way to big for a 4" "Toothpick"!! -What do you think about that?? This is the setup i may build, any tips??: PowerPick4 frame Talon f7 fc Mamba f25 4in1 esc 2203 3450kv motor gemfan 4023 prop tattu r-line 4s 850mah

[@Spideystrat]

Fantastic !

[@mailmescoobz]

Nice🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@simonseize]

Anyone able to identify what props are being used?

[@MrShutterBug]

Gemfan Hurricane 5125x3 t-mount.

[@xxfoobarxx]

Which canopy is this?

[@MrShutterBug]

It comes with the ET5 frame kit.

[@Dan53086]

what's just the weight of the drone?

[@MrShutterBug]

167g without battery

[@Dan53086]

@@MrShutterBug my current one is 180g same motors. I am building new one witch should come in around 125g!!! new fame only weighs in at about 17G's.

[@ivi2861]

Wich is faster and quiter ?ur 4 inch 6s racing Mutant or this et5 ?

[@MrShutterBug]

I haven't done a side-by-side comparison. They are both pretty fast. I think the ET5 is quieter because the props will have lower RPMs compared to a 4-inch. Cheers.

[@isaaclanier1507]

What do you think the top speed is?

[@MrShutterBug]

Not sure. It is plenty fast for my needs. :-)

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Does it crash well?

[@MrShutterBug]

The frame and canopy are SUPER tough. I don't think they will every break. The motors on the other hands are more delicate. They have a hollow shaft and it's not very thick. If you hit a tree or race gate with the motor directly, then I think it would bend of break. If you built the same combo with a different motor, with an M5 shaft then I think the whole thing would be very crash resistant. Hope that helps.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

@@MrShutterBug yes, thank you

[@Dan53086]

167g with battery???

[@MrShutterBug]

No, 167g plus battery.

[@Dan53086]

@@MrShutterBug Nice! How much is the actual drone?

[@sirroger1]

You could and should run lower kV for light weight quads try 4S on your set up you don't need 6S with that kv. Cheers

[@alperenozgur]

650 6s flight time? lol

[@nfuller902]

no offense (might be a compliment) but this video looks sped up. I cant wrap my head around how fast this would be if it wasnt sped up. Even the little maneuvers and skating looks 2x. The voltage looks normal though and isnt jumping around. Im lost hahaha.

[@MrShutterBug]

Haha! It’s not sped up. It’s just very light for a 5”. 😉

[@nfuller902]

@@MrShutterBug Wow. That is very incredible.