This newer programming language is INSANE👩‍💻

[@CodingWithLewis]

Hi everyone! Thanks for watching :) Just wanted to clear some things up: 1. This is NOT a paid ad. V is open source and I have not been paid or reached out by the owner of the language to do this video. If you look at my other videos, I give shoutouts to open source projects and ads are specified as ads. 2. I will NOT be abandoning Python in favor of V. They aren't really comparible. Also, V lacks the community and ecosystem that other languages (Rust, Python, Go) have. I was just trying to make a joke but understand why it comes off as silly :) Appreciate all the positive (and constructive) comments in regards to this video.

[@paliszarok]

das cool

[@spoopyscaryskelebones3846]

يااااااس

[@kuroitsuki4076]

Keep on python, add another playlist for vlang on your channel.

[@praktexemplar8082]

*comparable

[@MrJCraft]

if you want to check out another low level language check out D otherwise known as dlang, as fast and sometimes faster than C, gc,manual,and barrow checked, also functional, OO, and some meta aswell. allows fkr low level like knline assembly or usong C libraries, or high level code like java or haskell. ita fun and has rhe best documentation I have ever seen. anyway great video on V one of my favorite new languages just not useable yet.

[@noahg2]

Company HR's on job posting: *3-5 years of coding experience required in V*

[@CodingWithLewis]

🤣

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

You aren't wrong

[@georgios_georgiou]

Meanwhile interview with candidate be like: HR: need 3-5 years commercially usage of V Candidate: I have 10 HR: Hired !!!

[@murkkz1679]

😂 😂 😂

[@valkrumprofegh9958]

HR is always be an unusual thinker

[@АлександрБолбат-ы1у]

When all programming languages are still being compared to native C, this really says something about the quality of C.

[@cybergaming42424]

It is just stupid fast due to it being just a step above assembly lol

[@steveman1982]

Well, comparing engine performance to horses is also still a thing...

[@NicolaiRathjen]

@@cybergaming42424 also due to the crazy amount of hours spent optimizing gcc.

[@Ghazi_Al_Tamimi]

@@NicolaiRathjen I've tried to get GCC but I need zip and its expired is there a way to get it without zip?

[@carlosmspk]

@@steveman1982 yes except no one says "this car's great, has as much power as a single horse". Whereas here, that's literally the goal, it's to be "as fast as C"

[@sorrefly]

“V is as fast as C” Doubt [X]

[@BluecoreG]

The slogan of every new language that eventually fades into obscurity

[@N____er]

Clicked X faster than C ever could

[@patrickclark9285]

It depends what compiler you compare it to. It's like saying a slug is faster than a human (depends on the human)

[@zachb1706]

@@patrickclark9285 C compiles to machine code, it’s going to be faster regardless

[@patrickclark9285]

@@zachb1706 not based on compiling times though

[@mitarravilic2025]

Language popularity and relevance today is defined by their community and tooling, not pure language quality.

[@arshadsiddiqui9071]

(Java is walking proof of that)

[@echoptic775]

Takoe tarmi

[@tenpoundsterlingtn7756]

@@arshadsiddiqui9071 so is JS

[@mgjulesdev]

so is Go itself

[@cryonim]

@@tenpoundsterlingtn7756 what ? JS is one of the most popular languages, also it's single threaded and slow so not sure how it stands with V.

[@brycecrichfield1934]

“As fast as C”. I’ll believe it when I see it

[@raz0229]

Fast but safe

[@II-ii2um]

@@raz0229 no such thing as safe . Memory safe . Lmao. What a joke !

[@wassimulator]

@@raz0229 safe is basically not wanting to think about memory. It’s knee pads, as a software engineer you should know how to work with memory.

[@mdev790]

It actually compiles into human readable c..

[@brycecrichfield1934]

@@mdev790 Look if it's just syntax sugar on C it's boring, if it is more than it's guaranteed to be less efficient.

[@jonathancooper1653]

The v community seems to lie a bit about the performance. It seems the phrase as fast as C comes from the fact that they compile V code to C. What they fail to mention is that they copy things like a garbage collector into the C code, which is itself extra work a C program would not have to do. They do a lot of things to avoid having the GC running, but it's definitely still there. This extra work means that it's not equivalent to C. You could technically make almost any language compile to C and bundle a garbage collector, but just because it compiled to C doesn't mean it's equivalent to the same program written in C. I've reached out to the community before with these issues but they don't seem to hear me and they get angry. There are a number of other strange language decisions that turn people off of V too, they're available on blogs on the internet.

[@hedgegod8644]

That is not a real garbage collector copied into c code. V compiler automatically inserts free calls where it is needed, it may take some time during compilation, but performance of final program will be ≈equal to C

[@davthemillionth]

It mostly uses automatic free calls, or if that's not possible, reference counting, with an option for garbage collection for faster compilation. However, this can be disabled with a compiler flag, for full control over memory management, it just uses it for memory safety by default.

[@xhidden9817]

Abandon python? Python is a completely different language that is used for much different things. This language can't replace python in the slightest because python isn't even a compiled language.

[@greatgodoffire4139]

The reason the V binaries are small is because they depend on dynamically linked libraries. Everything V has exists in Rust and Rust even helps with memory managment. V loves to have memory leaks and just close issues reporting them, after saying to compile with some flag even though there are still memory leaks.

[@roryb.bellows8617]

I remember when V was announced like a year ago, I also remember the author lying about certain features. I don’t remember what exactly though.

[@bloatoo1312]

Ye, it's another one of these frauds. The owner seems to be some sort of a narcissist too

[@fieryscorpion]

We don’t need any more new programming languages. We’ve got enough of them.

[@parentprofanities]

gotta wait for v++ and v#

[@LevelUpGA]

Vython 😎🔥

[@itsbastybro4521]

​@@LevelUpGAvava vust vo votlin vua vuby holy v vinary

[@JaekSean]

This is clearly a paid ad. You legally need to declare that somewhere. I'm clicking "Don't recommend channel"

[@honkeydonkey1401]

He specified that it's not... Pinned comment

[@turolretar]

@@honkeydonkey1401 well then he’s a sucker for not taking money for it

[@joestevenson5568]

@@honkeydonkey1401 Thats even more embarrassing tbh

[@framepointer]

V is vaporware. It leaked memory on hello world not so long ago LOL

[@pastenml]

@randomguy9777 It compiles, and you can run the executable. It however does not work as advertised. It's definitely not a quick exit scam, but they over promised.

[@jlacr8056]

ngl, nobody cares how fast it is anymore (as long as it isn’t stupid), it’s all about how good the libraries are. python is the best example

[@floppa9415]

The game won't change. The game still is all about simplicity vs extensability, execution speed vs development speed, ...

[@siliconhawk]

languages come and go but assembly is eternal

[@hedgegod8644]

And C:)

[@victorwestmann]

I'm still trying to make something out of python. Easy to write, easy to read and community is great.

[@augustdruzgal475]

Python is great, I just can't get past how slow it is compared to other languages. You can make anything in like four lines though, that's pretty neat

[@LevelUpGA]

@@augustdruzgal475 import cython, problem? 🤣

[@ronanregan1478]

@@LevelUpGA I never used c python,is it good?

[@ronanregan1478]

@@augustdruzgal475 ik it's slow, but hey atleast you can make a nueral network in like 11 lines

[@LevelUpGA]

@@ronanregan1478 i don't know, but you can optimise with cython, pypy, cpython

[@valerie4275]

Haven't you heard? V stands for vaporware

[@Skilledpuffno10]

Vlang

[@deadbrav]

Vape

[@diosrightcalfmuscle4090]

Valorant

[@bloatoo1312]

This has to be some sort of a partnership. No sane man would ever recommend vlang in their own mind. This language tries doing all kinds of hip and flashy stuff before even getting the fundamentals down. There's no time for learning toy languages like this

[@revimfadli4666]

Won't be surprising if Fine print: "if coded hyper-efficiently C-style, otherwise can be slower than Java" Like C#

[@geronimostilton5057]

🦀 exists though

[@CodingWithLewis]

Rust is the 🐐

[@imt3206]

No way that thing is better than C. Prove it!

[@itsguardiantime4928]

I was just thinking "oh yeah pretty cool" but when he said it was as fast as native C I gave myself whiplash

[@edcdecl]

Remember that a smaller EXE size does not always mean a faster program.

[@leastexpected3115]

Also check out nim. It's not V but it's closer to python, has (optional) garbage collector, compiles to C langs and js, has very powerful typed templates and macros with compile time evaluation. It has some of downsides, but generally it's pretty good

[@NotcardNotLive]

Ive gotten used to compiled languages and its hard to go back to binaries

[@oooooooooooon]

don't tense up and think to change from python new one came called `mojo` which is 35000× fast than native python and build in python style like typescript and javascript.

[@Melvin420x12]

IDK man at this point new programming languages just sound like parodies to make fun of new programming languages

[@michaeltesemma6788]

Should be viable by 2030

[@AFBadBoy]

C is the mother of all languages

[@MrBLARG85]

Sounds like Rust. I’d just use that alternative. It’s much more developed.

[@lbgstzockt8493]

I always find it strange to call a language fast. I can write python code that runs circles around C by using the right algorithms and data structures. Most people never go to the extremes of any language and thus should probably spend less time worrying which language is the fastest and instead use the most widespread or best documented one. Obviously there are exceptions.

[@hantinglu8050]

The only one can beat c++ is the next standard c++.

[@HansFlamme]

Not so sure, I code in Rust and C++ and V looks interesting. However, V is not a general purpose language in the sense that Rust is (and Haskell, Lisp, ...). For example, Rust allows lambda expressions such as |x| foo(x). V allows very limited lambda-like syntax, foo(it) where it is a keyword. You cannot have lambdas with more than one parameter, and currying is not possible, because shadowing of variables is not permitted. Similarly, in terms of memory management, it is not possible in V to pass ownership of one object to another. I don't think it is possible for a language to simply not have reference counting or garbage collection. It prevents fundamental patterns such as Factory. Operator overloading and traits are supported in V but only in a very restricted way, to allow the arithmetic operators to be applied to data structures. Interfaces in V are handled by duck-typing, same as Python. I'd be interested to see how this is implemented in an efficient way. I can't see how it could use v-tables for efficient dispatch, like Rust or C++.

[@jmc7656]

Oh my god what is this post 💀 V is a meme language

[@WhatIsThis-zq4hk]

Stop making new programming languages, new libraries, new frameworks, new this, new that… all of this new tech claims to make developers’ lives easier but the hardest part of being a developer is all the new tech that comes out every week.

[@lewessays]

I married to python having an affair with JS and Go. I think I have had enough... No more cheating 😂😅

[@youtubeangel6401]

C: V, how dare you copy me! You’re just as fast as me! V: I have a meeting with Go. C: Ok. Bye! V: Bye!

[@platin2148]

The new Language one should actually take a look at is the Odin Programming Language.

[@forkerion]

I can’t stand the lack of a package manager in Odin

[@platin2148]

@@forkerion There isn’t any cargo like thing and it makes sense because the simplest way to get a library is by downloading it’s source and adding it as collection for your build. If you come from a npm or rust background it might not fit you anyway. Also i must say i prefer languages that don’t bake this into themselves as that makes awful libraries that depend on a entire tree of other things. And then a single thing breaks and you can’t use it anymore.

[@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs]

Even without V as an option I'd reccomend getting rid of python lmao

[@damonpalovaara4211]

I tried so hard to stay away from Python after learning Rust but Rust doesn't have any great spread sheet libraries comparable to Python so I still write Python scripts for building spread sheets

[@AnonymousAnonymous-gh5fs]

@@damonpalovaara4211 I like this comment

[@amjedbelgacem8218]

Hello Lewis, so there’s this fuss around a new language called “Peregrine”, they reclaim that it compiles as fast as C and has the same syntax as python. So what do you think about it ?

[@ianyourgod]

If there is a compiled python I might use it

[@hedgegod8644]

Cython maybe?

[@mattiaslp9645]

dont they say this about every new programming language that comes out? “it’s fast, it’s powerful, it’s easy!” then literally is a shadow of itself in a year.

[@dumpinieks1809]

"Immutability" and "as fast as C" in one sentence? Really?

[@wilkyarny3012]

One year later, never heard of it before 😂

[@ukhligoogle9355]

I hate new software over and over that makes the programmer waste again times nights and days to learn the temporary new programming

[@keifer7813]

These programming languages looping through the whole alphabet at this point

[@ertugrulghazi334]

Ugh, guys just learn a top 5 programming language, stick with it, and get a job.

[@albertbennett6290]

Having tried to use V in the past, it's kinda horrible

[@Bratjuuc]

I hate that this video doesn't really have code snippets/ examples.

[@SarcTiann]

From my point of view, V is a great language, and you should keep in mind that it's at version 0.3... so most of the claims are goals-in-progress right now. even unlike other languages, v does not have a multinational company that finances or favors the development of it in a particular approach. It would be easier to define a syntax, "expected" behavior, and a limited scope for its use. the language could already be in production in hundreds of places. But V and his community rethink most things all the time. With the aim of not neglecting or renouncing its premises. It is not easy to do what V intends. Currently both its syntax, its libraries, and its stability are fragile. But personally I prefer that in order to get a good result in the end, instead of fixing everything now and once again having a language that doesn't add anything new. What V promises is a single language with which we can program at a high level, but giving us the possibility to go down a level when necessary and thanks to its extensive interoperability, we can use V to execute code in other languages, without the need to rewrite nothing.

[@DP-wf8ws]

I have my doubts it's as fast as C

[@davthemillionth]

it literally compiles into c as an intermediary, but with a bunch of optimizations for both run-time and compile-time.

[@Enjgine]

@@davthemillionth and all the inefficiency of not being native C and bundling a GC

[@shuncey]

"Blazingly fast" I think I've read this somewhere before 🤔

[@lichuntak5143]

But why not to follow the conventions like what symbol is to be used for the assignment operation

[@huistelefoon5375]

"V is just as fast as native C" Well, it is only transpiled to C, and even though it claims to produce human-readable C, this is far from true in my experience. V is a very young language, but the creator makes a lot of promises that the language simply doesn't deliver on. I would consider using V if the native compiler will finally be finished, but that can still take many years.

[@mkpanda]

Well, based on the V website the V code is converted into C code before compiling it, which obviously makes it as fast as C. The thing is to get the translation right and not make it create inefficient C code...

[@DarkBoiJoseph]

There's another one letter programming *R*

[@GT-tj1qg]

Python and V are for completely different things dude

[@ElinLiu0823]

《Should i abandon my friend Python?》😂

[@-Engineering01-]

if C is there , then no one use V.

[@theblackbaron4119]

No strongly typed variables can be a detriment. I would rather have the option to enforce it like in VB script.

[@airman122469]

V looks good yes. I’m disappointed that auto free has been promised and not delivered for so long. But yes, V looks cool.

[@whimsy5623]

I wouldn't abandon the pythonistas they have machine learning snakes

[@CodingWithLewis]

I was kidding! I could never abandon them!

[@whimsy5623]

@@CodingWithLewis Blink twice if you're in danger

[@CodingWithLewis]

@@whimsy5623 👀👀

[@awsumturtle]

only if the language didn't have problems

[@darshanpanchal3046]

c is f1 and python is rolls royce

[@PixelThorn]

Can we, like, just stop? We have enough.

[@thatsalot3577]

I was going to say that.

[@ithaca2076]

no one ever said you in specific had to use the language. its not trying to replace other languages

[@PixelThorn]

@@ithaca2076 I guess it depends on how it unfolds in its usage among companies - it just gets tiring that you might get locked out of a company because you learned a lot of languages, have experience in them, but you didn't spend 5-10 years on V - oh well - can't work at this cool company I guess

[@ithaca2076]

@@PixelThorn thats understandable, i do think v has potential though, i guess only time will tell what it can do and will do

[@Supergamer-tv5pv]

C is much faster than V

[@luissaybe]

V is as fast as C 😂

[@kali786516]

What about Rust ? Whole planet should implement a programming language called oneSyntax by taking most of the syntax (case classes,case object,def, Val, var, pattern matching, traits) from scala , new programming language will increase global warming (electricity usage to learn new language again)

[@phoenix-tt]

Every language was designed for some specific tasks. Learning Rust is harder than learning Python, for example, but it doesn't mean that some language is better than the other. It's about what you do and what you like

[@redcrafterlppa303]

This language sounds like a bad little rust clone. Also in some other comments I read that V has many long lasting unresolved problems and inconsistencies. I think rust is clearly superior here.

[@mdev790]

Rust sucks, the syntax, the "borrow" system, and the rust community suck

[@maciejka1]

yeah, now every programming language is as fast as c

[@maciejka1]

@DC - WD I meant that every language says that it is fast as c for example i have heard that rust and go are as fast as c

[@hakuna_matata_hakuna]

But you'll have to do everything from scratch because there's no community

[@jesusderechte3889]

If you know c++ you can do literally anything programm an application for your phone, for your computer or for a toaster. It has a steep learning curve though.

[@dumbmints]

can’t wait for V#

[@_Holy_Lance_]

Still prefer Go since it is backed by Google, V is a great WIP but I dunno if it will get enough traction.

[@ithaca2076]

trust me, if you go to its github v has an incredible amount of tracking and development going on

[@dermuschelschluerfer]

So its more conparable to rust than go

[@h3xad3cimaldev61]

Apparently their immutability is terrible and performance is garbage and there's a fuck ton of memories leaks built into the language

[@yaboiaaron7622]

I feel like he’s scamming me

[@concheemsnon664]

New programming languages are just popping up from nowhere nowdays.

[@ajalanbrown2200]

Never heard of this language but I’m interested

[@labkome]

Zig, Odin, Vlang, Carbon, Mojo, etc etc. Lot of new comer languages 😢😢😢

[@hashimzaheer3941]

Mate. Could you please do a road map on cybersecurity

[@NSXPCConnection]

This happens every year with a new year and every year it fails. The only languages that I’ve seen that have become the exception are Rust, Swift, Go, all other new languages just crumble into obscurity

[@PixelThorn]

Don't forget Python and, ugh, Javascript / TypeScript, I guess

[@bharatk604]

How fast is the write time speed compared to python in general?

[@davthemillionth]

Significantly faster

[@ziplenok791]

Where is Z language ?

[@intubungamer6173]

But for me it still has a problem... *.v is already taken by Verilog...

[@12crenshaw]

Maybe comparison with rust would be better

[@we.sapeins]

Can I use V as flutter back end

[@R1ch4rd]

Z

[@we.sapeins]

@@R1ch4rd can i use it

[@richardwelsh7901]

Just as safe as C I bet, right?

[@shasank6854]

Rust be like: hold my beer 🍺🗿

[@rendoesmath]

I've been running V on my Ubuntu machine and It's as fast as compiled C

[@Pjiwm]

What you smoking bro?

[@WalterMan]

I like it how he has a “V” shape on his shirt

[@tbraghavendran]

Good observation.

[@lol-kb8hz]

why V when you can use rust?

[@harisahmad7871]

So another functional programming language?

[@kushagraagarwal7813]

The only though which should comes to mind: "So it is similar to rust ?"

[@masternobody1896]

Value master

[@FFehse-dk9is]

With all due respect, there is nothing "game changing" about V... It's a mashup of previous languages without any new revolutionary thought. As a reference, Rust is significantly more "game changing" in tthe way we program (not a fanboy either).

[@isaachayab]

Python for life

[@AarshParashar]

What about Mojo lang?

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Sounds too good to be true.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Maybe we should look to how much garbage happens in videogames due to dumb hype trains and *not* do the same for programming languages? 99% of "C killers" will leave the same legacy as 99% of "WoW killers", 99% of "LoL killers" 99% of "Twitter replacements" and 99% of "Chrome dethroners".