Once again disclaimer: Tier lists are subjective, everyone will have different opinions, there are very few/next to no factual placements on a tier list that is universally agreed upon, my opinions said regarding the tier list are my own, you may have different ones too, it's just how it is.
@afish45832 ай бұрын
At E0S0 Acheron deserves to be where she is
@cloveangel2 ай бұрын
I agree with the Acheron tier - she’s not bad AT ALL, but Prydrwen openly rates these tier lists as E0S0. At release, even though without signature her damage was way less, Acheron still DECIMATED the competition. However, people reach 600k with Feixiao on Herta shop lc, so at E0S0 Feixiao>>Acheron. Don’t attack me please I still think Acheron’s amazing!!!!
@abduraghmaanariefdien45222 ай бұрын
According to prydwen, 89% percent of users have her lc, so tbf most people don't realize it's S0. I sometimes forget I have her lc 😂😂 and I'm f2p
@darkg37802 ай бұрын
yeah i agree in this list beacause acheron dont have a very good f2p lc like feixiao with the herta one if she have a f2p lc she will be t0
@KamiR242 ай бұрын
Forget that, I’ve been hitting 500k with Feixiao using S1 Swordplay
@Ab-gi1te2 ай бұрын
Acheron 0 cycles at e0s0 0 cost the Boss that is Made for Firefly and Firefly can't, and Firefly is in T0, Feixiao e0s0 needs the same investiment that Acheron needs to 0 cycle so they are the same tier, the only difference is that Acheron doesnt have premium team and Feixiao has, and Firefly Will get the premium team with Fugue and Even with that, Fugue only does that this MoC does, so is Even better for Acheron, so Acheron still t0, and Even with that Fugue is not for the premium team for Acheron so if Acheron gets the team the t0 Will be only for her, so nah
@darkg37802 ай бұрын
@@Ab-gi1te yeah acheron shuld be t0 she is so cracked and also in my opinion fugue will not buff ff that much because ff dmg is not from breaking the enemy its from super break fugue will benefit more with rappa and boothill which there dmg is insane when they break
@RaySolus2 ай бұрын
I mean since i started the game late and used other ppls Acherons I never enjoyed here playstyle or felt her strong until E2 just like Firefly without E2 never felt smooth. FUA Feixiao feels really goodat E0
@levi32482 ай бұрын
There’s no ways Ratio and Acheron are in the same tier though😭. Also if the list isn’t just about this MOC, Acheron shouldn’t be knocked down. If it is specifically about this list, Rappa should be T0 or T0.5 bc she’s insane in this MOC
@levi32482 ай бұрын
@@GodofGoblins that’s what I’m saying. The fact that Rappa isn’t in the top tier is because they aren’t just taking this MOC into account (this one is made for Rappa and she’s insane in it), and yet they quoted this MOC as a reason to drop down acheron. Also, you can’t seriously say acheron and ratio are in the same tier, right?
@levi32482 ай бұрын
@@GodofGoblins yeah my main thing was just saying that the list isn’t based on this MOC specifically because if it was, she would be t0, I agree she shouldn’t be t0 but that’s because I believe it’s not based on this MOC. I do think she could move up to t0.5 if…we ever get a character that can make exo toughness a permanent thing…
@pally33702 ай бұрын
I think its primarily because Rappa is gonna shoot up to T0 next MOC with the 5 hp linked boss in the cycle and they want to ease people into it. Speaking of which, next MOC cycle Acheron is going to shoot up to T0 and Fei is going to go down to T0.5, otherwise, the arguments they used here are meaningless tbf. Prydwen compares characters at e0s0, but with their best supports. That means Feixiao+Robin for the best synergy, and Acheron+Jiaoqiu. Acheron+Jiaoqiu (at E0S0) is still REALLY good to use against the puppets in this MOC cycle, and Feixiao is the best vs the hoolay side. Feixiao+Robin will do REALLY well vs svarog side next cycle, but will struggle vs the Banana TV boss. Acheron will perform decently in both sides of next MOC, one less so (because its hunt favored but lightning weak) but the other she literally beats rappa in
@Bao5982 ай бұрын
@@GodofGoblins right now yeah, but if we talk about dmg ceiling rappa is better than firefly, and with fugue it will even higher because she gives the exact same effect that this moc gives... Dont get me wrong i have firefly E2S1 and i love her, but i have to be honest and rappa have more dmg potential... I have rappa too because i love to colect characters and even at E0S1 she does an absurd ammount of dmg i cant imagine with her eidolons...
@Bao5982 ай бұрын
@@GodofGoblins if we arent talking about eidolons, being fair firefly loses half of potential, first is huge sp negative, and her dmg output is way lower due to not having neither def pen and a free turn after breaking or killing something... And yeah she can put the fire weakness but that alone doesnt ease the gameplay as you have the mc which needs to be using the skill to get the ult fast enough to have full uptime, ruan mei wich needs to use her skill once every 3 turns and if you dont have her lc that's 2 sp positive, and if you have lingsha then you are wasting those points on having her skill on... Then your firefly have nothing to work with... I love firefly and i use it a lot, but being fair at E0S0 she have way more problems than rappa, wich as firefly can lower the toughness barr to even if its slower her dmg output is higher and she is extremely sp positive... In a low investment team she will behave way better than firefly, with high investment both at E2S1 for now firefly is better without a doubt, but that will change when fugue came out and that's a fact, is like having the moc buff but in every content... So it depends both of them in their best team will work, i only say what it is, rappa dmg ceiling is higher than firefly but that's ok, after all if doesnt care if you do the moc in 0 cycles or 5 you get the exact same ammount of rewards...
@BilalThatGuy2 ай бұрын
Hot take: Push Boothill and Rappa up to T0 honestly, especially with Fugue coming up with Exo Toughness being so broken I seen them being better than Acheron at a E0S0 viewpoint
@gregoryzeng99012 ай бұрын
Rappa is borderline garbo without Img weak enemies. Any units with limited conditions do not belong in T0. Boothill sure.
@leblancattire59512 ай бұрын
@@gregoryzeng9901rappa can break non imaginary weakness. With ruan mei and hmc Rappa can be compared to acheron and with less investments too. All she needs are spd and break. Easy to build her team
@Doremi-q2 ай бұрын
@@leblancattire5951I've had no problem with that team breaking with Rappa because of her toughness reduction along with Lingsha just breaks everything in sight (sadly I'm stuck with s1 Charmony LC because the lc luck ain't here)
@deedee33552 ай бұрын
Not only Acheron s0 is really bad if we compare it to her s1. But i more agree with your opinion, at 5:50 compared to Feixiao Acheron still need two more BiS support to have the same advantages as Feixiao.
@rhythmblack38302 ай бұрын
Acheron was always overrated. She over kills a lot and it was a problem ever since her release. Yea she does 900k with a f2p light cone, but 100k-200k hit the main target of her crimson knot debuff, and she over killed mobs with make 50k health with 300k+ dmg. People hyper focused and the amount of damage she did instead of who she was doing it too. Same thing with Seele. Without her signature light one and Jiaoqiu, Acheron wastes her ult on adds and has ramp up time to get it back. Firefly’s eventual problem will be that she uses too many skill points to justify her ramp up time
@liquidgesture2 ай бұрын
boothil and rappa t0, firefly t0.5(if only one person in t0 then boothil can come down to t0.5), feixiao t0, acheron t0.5 alone (maybe yunlie can be there too) and lingsha instead of huohuo in t0
@liquidgesture2 ай бұрын
if looking in general outside of this moc everything remains the same except i woudl say both boothil and firefly go t0 and rappa prolly goes down to t0.5 or t1
@FanticSama2 ай бұрын
Icl prydwen cooked with this tier list. Only thing I don't agree is that ratio being on the same lvl with Acheron and Yunli and Fu being on the same lvl as Galg and LIngsha, besides that majority of the units are somwhat in the right place and THANK GOD THEY FINALLY PUT PELA AT T1 after so long
@JLJ12342 ай бұрын
All I know is my FEIX, Moze, Lingsha, and robin are clearing everything I need.
@azralia42652 ай бұрын
Except PF
@jamesrochester24592 ай бұрын
Yes, across two accounts I have Feixiao, Acheron, and Firefly teams, all s0e0 and with each character's best teammates, and the Acheron team is considerably weaker than the other two. When Firefly first came out, before Acheron had Jiaoqiu, there was even more of a gap between her and Acheron. I assumed that Prydwen was taking into account vertical investment because otherwise Acheron's placement made no sense to me.
@bascaraisvanson46122 ай бұрын
i never change party its always firefly againts the world
@jacquelynthompson53462 ай бұрын
I shall continue to wait another patch for another dedicated DOT support/sustain and a support/sustain for Jingliu bc none of the options are ideal.
@thegray68682 ай бұрын
😢I generally don’t understand how they rank characters based MOC, are they ranking how a character clear on both sides, because feixiao suck on side one and my Acheron can easily clear both sides in 2/3 cycles and yunli sucks on both sides, I personally think this is a bad MOC to judge characters on because it’s obvious that side 1 is catered for only break characters and side 2 is a follow up side.
@Ananta98172 ай бұрын
"Yunli sucks on both sides" 💀 she literally eats Hoolay for breakfast
@celsosousamendonca47382 ай бұрын
@Ananta9817 the bosses in the first wave spend a lot of time not doing anything so you have to waste ults to do damage fast, but she is really good against hoolay.
@thegray68682 ай бұрын
@@Ananta9817 look, I don’t know where you got the idea that she’s great in side 2, I have one of the best built yunli you will ever see and the fastest clears I can get is about five cycles and that’s if you’re lucky, Against hoolay she’s great but the mobs in the beginning does not have physical weakness so she struggles hard
@opietaylorpiano2 ай бұрын
@@Ananta9817 so glad I pulled for her she carries all three game modes and that’s without huohuo and e0 Tingyun. Will be stupid strong with Sunday!
@Ananta98172 ай бұрын
@@thegray6868 Oh geez, the boss on 2nd side is notorious for abusing turns to hit you multiple times in a row, and Yunli is a character that counterattacks... I really wonder where I got that idea? Mine clears faster than Acheron... around 2 cycles even when I take her sig off and use Aeon or Clara's LC, and the average fastest clears on 2nd side of this MoC is Yunli over Acheron. It only starts getting competitive if you do not use her ideal team, which is with Tingyun, Robin and Huo Huo. But her less ideal teams still beat Acheron's scuffed teams.
@ceizhore44982 ай бұрын
Even in Acheron teams Sparkle is not the BiS. Robin + Gallagher QPQ clear Sprakle in Acheron teams. It’s even her best team at E0
@ersonp19032 ай бұрын
Surely, rappa is the higher than T1 I think her tier is T0 or T0.5
@opietaylorpiano2 ай бұрын
Acheron is overrated this was a long time coming. E2 in t0 sure but e0s0 👎
@shrakashrakivna98102 ай бұрын
Я думал крутить но посмотрев как она закрывает бездну на Ютубе причем с сигной я понял насколько она убого выглядит на фоне светлячка+фейсяо заменила ее на посту сильнейшего Крит домагера на вторую половину
@vladislavk59582 ай бұрын
@@shrakashrakivna9810в следующей бебне будет мультитаргет босс фейсяо резко станет хуже ахерон, как же так?) только светляк конченный перс, которого хуеверсы не хотят законтрить блоком полоски
@LoveLollis2 ай бұрын
She is not overrated but she isnt flexible which sucks
@halsey_nance4372 ай бұрын
Bro firefly is the overrated one
@opietaylorpiano2 ай бұрын
@@halsey_nance437 “midfly” #1 cope harder 😂
@k.s.42922 ай бұрын
Acheron without her signature is one of the most overrated characters in this game. The other one is firefly.
@leblancattire59512 ай бұрын
Ff without sign is still better than acheron without sign.
@k.s.42922 ай бұрын
@@leblancattire5951 I do think with the argument they made for Acheron to bump her down, comparing her to Feixiao and pointing out Feixiaos team variety specifically compared to her own, they should bump Firefly down too. Also being closer to Rappa makes more sense.
@DynesiusGaming2 ай бұрын
Raiden Mei became Raiden Mid 😂
@skyhart99262 ай бұрын
trivia: in Spanish, “hoyo” means “hole” “mi” means “my” go connect the dots. 😂 mihoyo
@LeviouEs2 ай бұрын
Acheron's team at e0 is criminal to use, yes, she is the strongest dps in the game at e2s1, but her being a nihility, therefore having very bad non main lcs and needing 2 nihility units fucks her over considering feixiao has the strongest triforce(topaz,ave,robin) in the game behind her. In my eyes, if u remove break dps, the strongest dps in the game are all fua+acheron, you dont have to be a genius to realize Yunli and Ratio are in the same tier as acheron because fua is a completely unbanlanced team that can make Yanqing look good,
@pally33702 ай бұрын
Ratio is primarily a debuff DPS. He gains buffs from FuA teams, but its shocking to me how many people think that FuA is his best team when its actually hypercarry. Acheron completely dominates Ratio in pretty much any comparison except Kafka boss (img weak, 40% lightning res). If Acheron is 0.5, ratio is T1 above Clara and DHIL. Yunli I can agree with though, shes absolutely crazy but obviously has the glaring weakness of enemies that don't actually attack the character (DOT puppet being the most obvious), and when the boss is broken.
@tornado23082 ай бұрын
@pally3370 Ratio consistently And convincingly outperforms Acheron in single and two Target content with much more team diversity aswell