This Radeon 9250 has some surprises

[@techyescity]

lol who could that be at 2:49 :P. I am back in aus now man, I will give you a call to catch up.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome 😎

[@MagicManfred]

The rule for the 128 bit interface is not the number of modules, but how they are ordered around the GPU. If all of them point towards it from the same side, it's 64. If they point towards it from two sides, forming an L, then it's 128 bit. Although 8 modules will always be forming an L on a 9200 series Radeon. But there are 4-module cards with 128 bit interfaces, too. Also, while manufacturer's sold "64 bit" 9250 and 9200 cards, technically that makes them 9250 SE or 9200 SE.

[@1NIGHTMAREGAMER]

hey phil try one core api it allows dx 11 use

[@warrax111]

@@dualpapayasif card has 8 DDR memory chips, then it's usually 128-bit. Because, less then 16-bit per memory chip on DDR is very unlikely to see. They are almost always 16-bit, so 16x8 = 128-bit.

[@Stewcumber]

what about memory chips "mirrored" on the back of the card? Does that always / sometimes / never mean 128bit?

[@philscomputerlab]

I have a FX 5200 here. It has 4 chips on the GPU side in L shape and this card is also 128-Bit!

[@warrax111]

@@philscomputerlabYes, it can have 32-bit memory chips... then 4 are enough to have 128-bit. But it's more rare, probably some later one ... because 32-bit memory chips were more expensive. I was speaking only about 8 memory chips possibility, that it cannot be 64-bit, because chips have to be 8-bit in that case, and such memory chips noone used on graphic cards in 2003-2005 era anymore. 16-bits were minimum. and one doesn't need to be affraid with 8 memory chips., that it's 64-bit card.

[@xBruceLee88x]

Edit, load before the jump down. Aim directly for the platform! If you miss first time, reload. Shogo! Also tachyon is awesome! What do the 2 have in common? Multiple story arcs!

[@raven4k998]

cheating that monitor is cheating they didn't have monitors like that back when windows 98 was out it's way to thin

[@gianthamster6782]

I appreciate your little gameplay segments in these videos phil. There's always somethin I've never played before that piques my interest. Thanks 🙂.

[@raven4k998]

the 9250 is faster then a floppy drive🤣🤣🤣

[@AaronHendu]

I had so many low end Radeon 7000/8000/9000 series cards back in the day cause I didnt know much about anything and lived in a rural area and just bought what I could afford at the time at local stores. I was happy with 9200 series after an FX 5200, I remember that lol. The best one I got was a 9600XT which was pretty decent and after that I started learning more about computers and making better purchases. I briefly went Nvidia after Doom 3 came out, then back to an Radeon 1650 something AGP, and then my final AGP card, an X1950 GT.

[@homelessEh]

Lol me too

[@sjogosPT]

FX5200 is better than Radeon 9200,

[@daniel5927218]

lol @@sjogosPT

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

2:49 Phil's YES Lab

[@phillycheesetake]

I've got a few, among them my favourite is the Asus A9250GE, it has 200mhz memory. It also has a push-pin heatsink rather than a glued-on one, so no troubles changing the thermal paste.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! The ultimate of the budget cards!

[@valparaisosting]

Maintenance is crucial, has it Samsung or Hynix memory chips?

[@chanakasat1]

Started digging in to my old cards because I remember I had a 9250 PCI card with 256Mb RAM! Found it and tried.. it has normal clocks with 128bit mem. but unfortunantly started showing artifacts after few min.. Tried applying new thermal paste and it didn't fix the problem.. after a while artifacts came back 😕

[@dallesamllhals9161]

BAKING TIME!! ..or just a Heat gun? ;-)

[@chanakasat1]

@@dallesamllhals9161 I have a working but more crippled card.. someday I could try swapping the GPU. not sure I have the skils yet 😄

[@3dfxvoodoocards6]

The 128-bit ATI 9000, 9200 and 9250 are very similar in performance to a Geforce 3. And just like the Geforce 3 they are DX8 cards.

[@JamesVG5]

I have the PCI version of this paired with a Voodoo2, great retro build all round. On the Radeon I'm able to max out Slave Zero and a few other more demanding titles and with the Voodoo I have further retro compatibility covered too thanks to proper table fog and palleted texture support. (Cool Note - The Voodoo2 I have doesn't conflict with catalyst drivers it seems, at least not 6.2.) (Another Note - The specific Voodoo2 in question is a Guillemot Maxi Gamer 3D2 and I'm using the latest OEM drivers not the reference ones.)

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Metoo 🙂

[@federicocatelli8785]

For retro stuff Gog is always my first choice

[@TheDemocrab]

I've always argued the best combination for Win9x is a 3DFX and ATi. nVidia is the best out of any single brand, but the combination of ATI/3DFX eliminates the drawbacks of solely going ATI or 3DFX vs nVidia while having none of the drawbacks that nVidia has. The biggest drawback of that kinda set up is the pricing..but I did say it's the best, not the best *value*.

[@stefanocrespi5424]

About Shogo, IIRC you have to shoot to the fans. It should weaken the ventilation force and let you land on the lower platform. Great video BTW, as always! That ctrl-F1 bios trick always amazes me.

[@retroanderson]

I feel like we need a PhilComputerLab Tour.

[@RETROCENGO]

Hi Phil, one very important thing you could add about this card is how popular it is for Commodore Amiga community building towers, it’s the go to card to buy ATI9200 PCI for the Amiga, it has drivers for the Amiga, and just very very popular, could be fun to have that info included 😊 Retrocengo (the Amiga nerd)

[@philscomputerlab]

I didn't know that fact! Thanks for sharing 😊

[@another3997]

I don't think there will be a shortage of 9250 cards due to their use in PCI equipped Amiga towers. 😉 That's a very small number of Amigas, and there's not much use for 'powerful' 3D cards on a platform that has so few games that can take advantage of it.

[@RETROCENGO]

@@another3997 So who is saying there should be a so called shortage??

[@chassy7072]

I too enjoy Tech Yes City. Great stuff as usual. SDIO is amazing btw so i appreciate the recommendation from your channel.

[@philscomputerlab]

Awesome, thank you!

[@stamasd8500]

My favorite 9250, which I'm currently using in an Athlon XP build (with a Sempron 3000+) also has 128-bit memory but only 64MB. The wider memory bus compensates for the lower amount though. It has only 4 chips but they're BGA not SOIC, and run at 210MHz default. All in all not a bad card. Not a 9700 though. :) I think it was made by Visiontek.

[@TheCheshireCat.]

Turning Autumn here in the UK, you should be coming into Spring. I can't comprehend a hot Summer Christmas Day, crikey, I wonder if cats chase dogs down under. 😂. Nice video.

[@Cpt_Wolf]

R9200 and R9250 are good for retro as long as they have 128 bit bus. I think there are even 256MB versions of these cards. Only drawback with R92XX is no DX9 support, but if you want that you can get R9550 which is basically downclocked R9600. That card with 4ns memory chips and better cooling should do easily 400-450MHz on GPU and 500MHz on VRAM. I think Gigabyte made best budget R9550 back in the day as far I remember.

[@azminek7154]

Yeah, but I'd pay attention to their temperatures. They can get very hot. My 9200 back in the day died by overheating. I'm thinking about using a bigger heatsink or a fan on my 9250.

[@antonhei2443]

Yep, the only AGP Radeon I have is a 9250 with 256MB and 128bit bus. Together with a Geforce2MX, a Vanta LT and a Radeon VE are my only working AGP cards. I have never paid more than 10USD in the used market, due to the high failure rate with lower end AGP cards in my experience, specialy the nvidia cards. They are good enough for fun Win98SE projects. Will try DOS and win95 soon.

[@stamasd8500]

The main problem is that the 9600 and 9550 are AGP 8x and will not work in AGP4x or earlier slots. I have many motherboards from around that era in which they won't work. Best bet for those motherboards is a 9700 or 9500 as those are 4x.

[@Cpt_Wolf]

@@stamasd8500 Connect 3D made R9550 working in AGP x4 slot. There's few other from less known vendors as well. Other option is to get motherboard with universal AGP slot when planning your build. Gives you greater flexibility.

[@phillycheesetake]

There are 256mb versions, but don't pay extra. It's more of a sticker seller than anything, the 9250 is hopelessly underpowered to actually drive games requiring even 128mb of vram. Even the 64mb 8500 runs out of legs before running out of memory, and it's more powerful than the 9250.

[@wettuga2762]

An R92x0 AGP was used as the second iteration of the ArcadeVGA, which was an AGP card for Arcade enthusiasts that connects directly to a 15khz TV by using a custom Firmware. I still have an original ArcadeVGA and a modded one, one of them is currently inside my arcade machine running XP and MaLa/MAME. Insert coin? Yes, please! 🙂

[@_MasterLink_]

Wow, I remember those!! That was when I wanted to build a MAME cabinet nearly 20 years ago. I ended up opting for a GeForce 2MX 200 as the S-Video output could have interlacing disabled for 240p and the overscan turned off (so kind of doing the same thing, if in the right preset setup for it), and at the time at least for teen me still in high school, using my 20" TV with S-Video was far easier. But I dreamed over those ArcadeVGA boards in networking class, reading over sites about it.

[@aceoyame2619]

Was always amazed at how long they kept the Radeon 8xxx architecture around. I remember having my 9550 and questioning why anyone would go for the 9250 when that came out

[@AaronHendu]

I one time found a 9550 just lying on the sidewalk...I still have it, actually. It is my AGP test GPU lol. I couldnt believe it worked. Funny thing is that I found it only a few years ago, and it looked basically new, even though it was just lying in the street lol

[@Raptor3388]

@youtubekilledtrustedflaggi9274yes, all the 9000 series under the 9500 are using the 8500 architecture. The 9100 is a rebranded 8500LE. The 9000 and 92xx are essentially the same thing, but with AGP 8X support for the 92xx. It’s a cut down version of the 8500 GPU.

[@RuruFIN]

9550 is a great overclocker since it's just an underclocked 9600.

[@aceoyame2619]

@@RuruFIN it is! I had a 256 meg one that overclocked like a dream. Doesn't hold a candle to the Radeon 9700 in an xp laptop I have though. That thing is basically a 9600 that overclocked to 500 mhz. Sucks that it only has 64 meg's of vram that laptop

[@RuruFIN]

@@aceoyame2619 I have a 9550 256M on my AGP GPU box but it has one bad cap, I need to replace it some day. Overclocks to between 9600 Pro and XT level :)

[@034G63EVO]

thank you so much for what you do. Your a hero for retro, things from my time.

[@H4X0R_666]

pretty cool when I saw the thumbnail, because I have a GPU that looks the same just missing the some VRAM chips the ATI Radeon 9000 64mb, unfortunately it died a few years ago

[@retro_gamer_uk]

I use this card for my win98 gaming pc. For my use cases, perfect.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Always good surprises from PCL!

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

@@unnamed1024 I disagree. :)

[@Petar321_GT]

​@@unnamed1024ok greg. Thank you for your useless input.

[@Club_Michas]

recently i bought some Graphics Cards and one of them is a Radeon 9200l (se) with 256MB VRAM. I bought in a lot of those 6 Cards for 5€ + 7,50€ shipping as faulty but they all work just fine (only needed some maintenance (cleaning/changing thermal paste)): Nvidia Quadro FX5800 Nvidia GeForce 210 Nvidia GeForce 8400GS Nvidia GeForce 6200LE ATI Radeon 9200 ATI Radeon 5450 I was most interested in the Quadro FX5800, but it's always nice to add another AGP Card to my Collection (which was the only AGP Card in the lot)

[@JPTenada]

great video! Love Shogo, one of my favourites to go back to on Windows 98 :) My first Windows 98 retro build was running a 9250 also, specifically a GV-R925128DE. Ive still got it, but currently I'm running a Radeon 9800 Pro 256Mb/256bit on my Windows 98 machine :) Would have been very keen to see a few more benches, but I agree good to get some gameplay in instead, its what its for right! :D Enjoy the rest of Shogo!

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks!

[@CarcharothQuijadasdelased]

When I played Shogo my PC was: AMD XP 1.3Ghz, GF2 MX 64Mb, ram SDR+DDR on W98SE, maybe down clocking your CPU can help?. Retrieving memories from 20 years ago... That level was weird, maze like. I kinda remember you had to be on top of the landing platform "all the time" to touchdown (after destroying the enemy at the bottom). I wasn't able to complete the game either, on a later level you reach an entrance on the desert to a underground base/city but for me that part of the level had no textures or had a floating black plane being rendered before the level (my memory is not too clear).

[@DanielCardei]

Dropping Xp was heartbreaking but now they are dropping Windows 7. All of the SLI and Crossfire compatible games where launch in that era.

[@ezrafreemantle1824]

Got your video playing while I install Windows 98 on my newly built Pentium II 450 reverse sleeper. Always great videos!

[@philscomputerlab]

Great to hear!

[@NinTech]

2:44 Watching Brian's video🤩

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

Usually I had the on-board graphic doing issues on 775 boards cause they have not enough share ram, disabling is useful since those only work if you don't have a gpu. Amd boards had better integrated graphics hence why most of the time doesn't have issues.

[@mesterak]

Happy Friday Phil! I love these old Radeon cards. I have a couple of the 9250s, and they work well for the systems I have them in.

[@philscomputerlab]

Yup I love them also, good all-rounder for Windows 98!

[@white_mage]

now that i look at it i believe i have a 9250se. i haven't been able to check because my only motherboard with agp slot refuses to boot windows xp, but it looks pretty much like the one you have, just small form factor. the heatsink is glued so no luck removing that.

[@SUCRA]

This is a great video card for retro. It can go a bit further on the graphically demanding games, granted you mess with the settings. The video I made about this video card is one of the most viewed in my channel, hope it does well for you as well. Thanks for another one. Ps. Sorry, I don't remember this part of Shogo, although I love this game. Did you try turning into tank mode?

[@philscomputerlab]

Turns out CPU too fast!

[@Generationalwealth94]

A great card for retro? Man I had this card on my first desktop PC from 2005 and it couldn't even run NFS Pro Street LOL literally wouldn't open the game. Why you would use this junk in 2023 is completely beyond me.

[@philscomputerlab]

@@Generationalwealth94 NFS isn't retro man. The video explains it all 😊

[@DarkLordValmar]

Question, have you noticed massive AGP performance losses with this motherboard in Windows 9x VS XP? Like 3Dmark scores way lower under 98? I found that really fast CL2 Geil ram for it with low timings that helped a bit but I'm definitely getting 2-3000 less than I should be getting in 98 (Running an x800 XT PE) XP numbers are where they should be. Trying different versions of the 4in1 chipset drivers didn't make any difference either so I'm at a bit of a loss here trying to understand what's going on.

[@GTFour]

That’s interesting! This would be a good video Phil!

[@white_mage]

tachion looked suspiciously good quality haha. never imagined space shooter games kept coming out after the 90's. i only know about them because of retro content though. one day i'll build my own retro pc. so far i got 2 cartdrige cpus, some sdram and a handful of edoram sticks, all found in the trash. now i need a working motherboard and an AT power suppy, or adapters if possible. i got an old school atx power supply that can output around 33A on 5v. it works perfectly fine so i'd prefer using that one with adapters instead.

[@Trick-Framed]

Aww yeah! Breakfast with Phil's!

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Dinner here! ;)

[@Prellium]

The last AGP card I owned was a 9200. I had a friend who had a 9800, I was so jealous.

[@lanelesic]

I had the luck that my second PC I ever bought was a prebuilt in a Metro supermarket with he Gigabyte 9250 128MB and a 128 bit bus. It was also heavily discounted and with a Sempron 2800+.

[@phipli]

I had a 64bit 128MB Radeon 9250 that I decided to experiment with and I soldered in the missing components. Managed to get it to work as 128bit and the 256MB recognised :) its a little while ago so I forget if I had to firmware flash it more or not. I'd had to flash it with a mac firmware anyway for my use case.

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

I got recently ASUS ATI A9250 Gamer Edition 256MB. Installed it on my Pentium 3, 370 socket motherboard, 512mb ram, (waiting for Tualan to arrive soong). so far works pretty good. :)

[@TurboMMaster]

Once I find room to keep retro PC I sure will try it.

[@erazorCTF]

Here is a Shogo Walkthrough at the correct timecode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGTJnpKijtapY9k Seems you have to drop down directly above the lower tunnel so the wind does not hit you from below.

[@sebastian19745]

I had the similar Radeon 9250 (from PowerColor) that identified as "Radeon 2950 family" two graphic cards with 250M VRAM each. My computer was an Athlon XP 3200+ Barton with 512 M DDR (later upgraded to 1G) running Win2k and later XP SP3. The Radeom was amazing, performing well with games and video playback. I used to watch DVDs on my CRT TV with the S-video cable. Games that I played were Half Life 1, Far Cry 1, Diablo 2, URU, Gothic 1, Elder Scrolls Morrowind, NeverWinter Nights and Need for Speed (Underground maybe?). For my needs, it was perfect, I never felt that I needed to upgrade it for the 3 years I used it. Also, at the time I played some casual flash games on the browser.

[@KomradeMikhail]

Not sure how you end up with enough 9250's to call them the cockroach. I always find 9550's instead... Got a whole storage tub full of those.

[@philscomputerlab]

Even better! Yea the 9200 cards just appear randomly.

[@slybunda]

i have the same card but it has rage theatre chip on it. whats that used for?

[@krz8888888]

I know it's a great card for many uses but I can't shake the idea of them being low end. Passed on them back in the days

[@rootbeer666]

Love the look of Gigabyte boards from that era, I still have my 754 nForce4 board. I love the sprung graphics slot locks on these, mine is pcie x16 though, no onboard graphics, and 3 memory slots (great for the 3GB cap on 32bit OS). Also check out those SATA connectors, I had trouble with early SATA connector shrouds pulling off the pins, Gigabyte made theirs unbreakable, even if at the cost of locking. This color scheme is just lovely! Boards don't need to be covered with plates to look good! These were really affordable too.

[@tiagomarques7149]

In Shogo you just need to jump and aim down and eventually you will land on the platform and you will know what to do next, this game brings so many memories from my childhood and i remember not knowing what to do on that same level because English is not my main language and at that time i didn't understand that i needed to shoot the pumps first xD took me a while to discover that

[@EATABAGOFHELL]

I've found three slightly different 128-bit 9250s; all 256mb PCI cards made by diamond. One of them was _just_ compact enough to shoehorn into a little Igel C7 thin client. It's actually a very decent alternative to fx5200 for most stuff that doesn't outright *require* directx 9.

[@iammrsparkle84]

Sorry if I missed it in another video, but do you run into any issues with using SATA onboard in legacy mode that you always use the IDE interface for the SATA SSD?

[@philscomputerlab]

Yes this motherboard has VIA chipset and the SATA ports just don't work well with 98.

[@BillAE91]

Loved the video! I also had a 9250 back in the day, it was Sapphire with 256mb 128 bit. I remember the memory running at 200 MHz. Also love Tachyon, it was one of the first PC games I played as a kid.

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

Trust me, with the gas prices over here you do not miss central heating!

[@RuruFIN]

I remember having a 128-bit Radeon 9250 back in the day, then I sold it and bought an used GF4 Ti 4200 and I couldn't believe how much faster it was even though they were pretty similar on paper. :)

[@Agoz8375]

Hello Phil, what is good for Windows 98se? Socket 939 with via Chip or the socket 754? Kind regards

[@philscomputerlab]

Both are excellent, so whatever you have on hand ready to go without buying more stuff!

[@mmaxeator]

To me, it seems that the fans spinning at the bottom create the air flow that does not allow you to land at that platform. Try to shoot them or they may be some switch or something

[@philscomputerlab]

So after I made the video I read some guides and seems you need to press Enter key to dock 😅

[@DarkLordValmar]

Same motherboard and CPU I'm running, too bad that 3700+ is SOOOOO darn hard to find in 754 unless you wanna get UBER scalped by CPUMedics...

[@lordmmx1303]

Ahh, Bryan (TechYesCity) . I love his parts hunt series but when I see him fixing something (Tech Yes Lovin...) he reminds me of mods on sites/forums like tomshardware, who recommend you to go into bios when you write that you screen is black when you power on your laptop/pc.

[@LianParma]

On the game, is there a way to blow up the fans on the bottom of the pit? It seems that they are blowing you up when you get close.

[@philscomputerlab]

There is one fan that blows up.

[@nightbirdds]

Interesting to see this old workhorse still running. I don't think I ever had one of these personally, the PC I had bought back then had, I believe a 9500. It certainly played what I wanted it to back then. Goes to show though, that even as far as 2000, you could still get by with a low end card if you managed your expectations. As far as Steam not supporting older OS's, though, given all the cool stuff that have been geting added as a result of the new frameworks it's using, I can't be too mad about it. If they'd offer a stripped down client to download older games, that'd be nice, but if you're running XP, you're not playing Baldur's Gate 3, or anything modern. The line's been drawn, and if Microsoft isn't supporting a platform anymore, there's no burden on software devs to do so. Sorry, but that's how it is. GoG doesn't support Xp with Galaxy, EGS doesn't either. GoG's offline installers really are the right solution, and it does stagger me that Steam has never offered this, even on titles that opt out of DRM. When I'm playing with old hardware, I'm just sailing the seven seas. I can't feel bad about it, either, as often the original images are just better, anyway. I mean, watching the Red Alert installer is part of the fun of playing the game!

[@O.Shawabkeh]

It's not just XP/Vista, rather they will keep doing it. I moved to 10 only in 2021. The more crappy/bloated/automated win11 will only move into once there's no other choice. Point? I don't know when Steam will decide to discard 10.

[@nightbirdds]

@@O.Shawabkeh THey'll drop 10 long after Microsoft does, as has been the case all along. You could switch to Linux. It used to be that was a sarcastic type of response, but nowadays with the gaming improvements Valve has made as a result of Steam Deck, it's not such a bad way to go.

[@O.Shawabkeh]

@@nightbirdds frankly Linux has came up to my mind lately. If MS keeps treating its users like brain dead zombies I might surrender one day and check alternative OS.

[@pocapoco2546]

R.I.P Novalogic

[@carlolalattacosterbosa5821]

isn't possible to overclock the ram freqs? BTW GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS! cheers from italy

[@philscomputerlab]

Maybe a little bit but not much.

[@alby46intro]

This is the exact card I had in my first pc. It was able to run San Andreas and that was all I needed

[@BrodieChree]

I have one of these in my G4 Cube

[@Matt08719801]

Steam has some old games that are actually old Gog versions , in fact that version of Gunmetal i have running on xp is the steam version , so in niche cases steam can still be a good option as long as the game is older and didn't have a pile of drm originally

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea and some games are only on Steam. Luckily many can made to work ...

[@howaboutsomesoyfood]

wonder how the temps were on the card, cant have been cool with no heatsink.

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Hopefully you can get space heaters (...or incandescent lamps, ha) and double glazing again. Much of Australia is not normally a cold country. Stay safe out there.

[@jeremygregorio7472]

You know I always kind of wondered why the 9200 series had such a huge performance difference I didn't realize there were 64-bit and 128-bit variants

[@jasonsanders1244]

How's the latency playing via video capture? What setup are you now using to capture and pull it off?

[@philscomputerlab]

Depends on the card. A good one is that avermedia 4k card with 4 PCIe lanes. Takes native old-school resolutions over DVI.

[@wiwingmargahayu6831]

nice time spending Sir

[@mesicek7]

GA-K8NF9 board?

[@Pulverrostmannen]

My personal favorite for retro games will still be my GF6600 / 6600GT cards, I got several variants of them and one is a Gigabyte made for overclocking with double sided passive cooler, it runs everything I throw at it :) I got Voodoo cards too for Glide games. I always had a better experience with GF both because drivers and also to get Vsync and graphics to work better with fewer glitches. However am I familiar with the 9K series Ati too, the performance is not bad and they generally don´t get that hot either. probably much a personal taste what you want but I grew into the 3D world with Nvidia, first 3D card I got was the Diamond Viper V330 4MB AKA Riva 128. it had terrible performance in Half-life lol it ran ok for 30 minutes and then you had to restart the game after stuff ran out of memory to gain another 30 minutes ha ha. Then I got better cards from that

[@schalkdrizzy]

Whats the red ati card on your desk ?

[@philscomputerlab]

Can you tell me the time in the video?

[@fft2020]

Hi Phil! I just found one of this on e waste today! This one is ASUS and had 50ns chips so I think it is 200mhz :and it has 256mb ram -)

[@philscomputerlab]

@@fft2020 Nice!

[@Mil_UwU]

Hey Phil, I know you covered them and the modern day shadow problems way back in the old days but I’d love to see one of the early splinter cell games in a video (the original is on GoG now too!!)

[@manaphylv100]

The one you have is the rare 9200 PRO made for OEMs, which, for some stupid reason, is actually a slower version of the vanilla 9200 (which itself is a slower 9000 PRO), with 240 MHz core instead of 250 MHz, and 166 MHz DDR instead of 200 MHz. The best card out of the R200 bunch is the 9000 PRO (128 MB) or 9100 (64 MB). There was supposedly an 8500 XT, but I've never seen one in the wild, so I doubt it was ever officially released.

[@TrippyRoss]

Mr. Phil is the GOAT

[@randomexcessmemories4452]

Is bandwidth more important than clockspeed for memory performance? Or is it more situational?

[@scalamasterelectros3204]

I just today eqwierd a super soker 7 motherboard with full amd k6 3 450 pulse suport

[@pagb666]

I had a 9250 for a couple months as a placeholder when my 9800pro died... Worst GPU I had ever.

[@psionski]

Is this a gameport Joystick? If yes, how did you connect it to the Audigy? Mine doesn’t have a gameport. Apparently, it was on some breakout board that I don’t have.

[@philscomputerlab]

USB joysticks fully supported in 98.

[@psionski]

@@philscomputerlab that’s good to know, but buying a good USB joystick isn’t exactly cheap… while game port joysticks can be had almost for free… and also I’m worried a bit about CPU usage and lag (although my Win98 machine is a Coppermine Celeron 800 MHz, I guess it should be plenty fast for USB).

[@philscomputerlab]

@@psionski Really? For me it's the opposite. Used retro sticks are expensive AND usually worn out.

[@psionski]

@@philscomputerlab so, I finally bit the bullet and bought a new Thrustmaster T.16000M - at least in Windows XP, everything works, all axes, all buttons, everything - and no drivers needed. Haven't tested yet in Win98, but I'm hopeful it will work there too (because if it turns out it needs drivers... the support ticket will probably cause a pretty good laugh 😃)

[@vintagegamingrepublic5156]

Hi Phil, have you decided for the Powerfile c200.

[@philscomputerlab]

Decided?

[@vintagegamingrepublic5156]

@@philscomputerlab Are you getting one? I highly recommend it

[@peterilling1627]

Never liked Steam .Never play online games .Great video thanks Phil.

[@vlcglavni6608]

For SHOGO try falling right above the platform. Also try SIN + Wages of Sin, Project IGI or Soldier of Fortune for that era. Also Terra Nova: Strike force centauri for DOS action.

[@philscomputerlab]

Thanks for the game suggestions!

[@vainxler]

​@@philscomputerlab Or if you haven't try,shoot the fans at the bottom,i assume your robot flying because of it.

[@KeyToTime]

Have you ever used the Audigy 4 Pro Phil?

[@philscomputerlab]

I have not!

[@KeyToTime]

​@@philscomputerlab There seems to be very little out there about it. Would be interesting to see how it compares to the Audigy 2 ZS and X-fi cards.

[@armorgeddon]

@@KeyToTime It's nearly the same as Audigy 2 ZS but with slightly worse DACs and Digital DIN output only via external breakout box AFAIK. So unless you're an extreme audiophilist with analog amplifier/headphones and/or you have no problem using the breakout box an Audigy 4 Pro is ok and in contrast to X-Fi it still has a digital input to connect a CD/DVD drive to but only X-Fi can playback the highest EAX level which a few Windows XP games offer.

[@janwitkowsky8787]

Shogo: MAD Using an earlier iteration of the game engine used in No One Lives Forever, Aliens versus Predator 2, The Matrix Online, F.E.A.R. and Middle-Earth Shadow of War/Mordor. Also, 9:52, the fans in the bottom keeps pushing you back. It's been a while since I played, but I think there's a button where you turn down the strength of the fans, but if you turn it down too far, you'll splat. Either that or it's simply a case of pressing a single button. I think it's the rose-tinted glasses that made the game more complex than I remember xD

[@philscomputerlab]

Turns out it really was the fast CPU breaking the physics...

[@janwitkowsky8787]

@@philscomputerlab Fast???

[@philscomputerlab]

@@janwitkowsky8787 Athlon 64 yea

[@janwitkowsky8787]

@@philscomputerlab Sorry... I read "GPU" rather than "CPU" 😅

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

10:06 It's the _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ level

[@julien2983]

yeah I think I have one of those in my parts bin lol

[@sysierius]

I have the same card! But mine overheats?

[@O.Shawabkeh]

Off topic, from a retro perspevtive: I have been playing Doom Eternal lately and having a full blast. For me it's the best fps ever made. (second to Doom II) Hopefully the remastered Tomb Raiders will be released on gog.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

Hey Phil nice video, could you do a video about that thermal pad and comparing it with different cooling solutions? I'm having issues with my 775 and am3 pcs constantly having to put grease like each month and replacing coolers. Also Athlon 64 is earlier or later than Athlon x2? Nice pc.

[@philscomputerlab]

I did do videos in the topic. Here is the shirt version: Out if 3 brands I've tested the IC Graphite coils the worst by a few degrees but is the only pad that doesn't stick to the CPU and is actually reusable. A few degrees warmer is not an issue for me, so I'm sticking with the IC Graphite. They are for sale on Amazon the last time I checked.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

@@philscomputerlab thanks man I keep forgetting I even saw that video. I like how you explained it.

[@Svein-Frode]

I'm boycotting STEAM as well. Absolute despicable practices. They should have done what GOG does for all games in your library if you're unable to run them on their platform.

[@lordwiadro83]

Too bad GOG does not provide original ISO images. Every game I got from them is a mess, and is hard to run on a retro PC. Not to mention GOG's version of Earth 2140 that is flat out broken (the AI does not work). They never fixed it despite hundreds of complains.

[@Svein-Frode]

@@lordwiadro83 Yeah, GOG isn't perfect, but miles ahead of the competition - and dirt cheap. But I agree, images would have been a nice touch.

[@howaboutsomesoyfood]

@@lordwiadro83some games flat out dont work on Windows 10/11 out of the box. i will forever buy from GOG though, given that you can actually get offline installers for games.

[@tiagomarques7149]

Don't know why people have issues with steam, it's normal to not support old windows because of security and launcher stability, you can use fan patches or dgvoodoo for old DX games many games will play even better with widescreen resolutions, the only downside is eax but if you have a creative card you can use alchemy, I also use gog for some games but I feel they're pretty much overated the interface is worse than steam you don't have remote play and they sell games with fan patches stealing the creator's credits and that's pretty scummy if you ask me, also many games have the less effort approach you also have to look for solutions online shogo is an example of that

[@Svein-Frode]

@@tiagomarques7149 If I've purchased a game and Steam locks me out of using it anymore, that is a problem. If they are concerned about my security all they have to do is give a warning and make me sign a EULA where I take full responsibility for using the game on an obsolete platform - or they could provide me with a downloadable version of the game.

[@Spolupyo]

Ahh the good old "Arcade VGA" from Ultimarc...just a R9250 modded with a custom bios that outputs 15khz video for arcade monitors.

[@silverfoenix]

Freezing? Its around 35C here in Egypt... seems THERE IS A GLITCH in the weather, WHERE IS AUTUMN AT?🥵 Now you disabled USB2.0 to increase Bandwidth?! is it shared with Graphic Card lane? Would things run better on Windows ME? (You can patch it to enable Pure DOS mode maybe in another video to see any differences) Shogo level after shooting left & right try going back to elevator to reach Shaft4 maybe? either that or jump hugging the wall High and Low: Follow the path until you get to some bars. Hit the switch on the ground and the gate will open. Keep going forwards, until reach Air Flow Control. Follow the path until you reach the end. Hit the button on the right and go back. Go into the newly opened door. You'll end up in an area with lava at the bottom. Ride the elevator down, and shoot the control panels to the left and right. Go back up the elevator. Turn left to reach Shaft 4. Ride the elevator up. Once you reach the top, jump straight down. Lean to where the platform is to land on it. 👈🏻 this is where you are stuck 😅 Continue forwards, and you'll have to float up this time. Once you reach the top, go through the yellow opening. Go around the fans, and walk into the door with the green light.

[@MKlol2]

I have this one PCI version

[@johnhauser5939]

Had me looking at the weather over there when you said it was another freezing night. I forgot the seasons are opposite from us here in New York. It not uncommon for it to hit -10c here. It's gotten down into -17c and even lower than that at times. We had 42 people lose their lives in a storm last Winter because of a storm that brought 6 to 8 feet of snow with drifts over 10 foot and well below -17 temps and wind chills far lower than that even. It was not a good time for Buffalo that's for sure. Edit: Record lows are -28c -29c rounding up.

[@philscomputerlab]

Wow that's worse than my area. It's the lack of central heating and single glazed windows that makes it so bad...

[@johnhauser5939]

@@philscomputerlab I could see how that would not be fun when it gets cold and then even worse when it's cold and windy. I would think houses are built a lot different there.

[@philscomputerlab]

@@johnhauser5939 Yes I was totally surprised also. Newer builds are improving but even here often the skimp on materials.

[@davkdavk]

Is it possible to volt mod the memory and put some heatsinks on to clock it a bit higher?

[@AaronHendu]

I remember the days when you could volt mod by using a pencil on the right resistor. I held a world record for awhile back in the day volt modding an 8600GT with a pencil that took it from aroujd 600MHz core to 1000MHz core and made it as fast as an 8800GT. I ran it like that for years.

[@filipetmarcal]

I like your analysis😊😊

[@Chris-yc3mm]

No way it gets cold in Australia. Its a myth i tell you 😂

[@retro4fun358]

And the other question why the Bios don't beeping anymore if i tur n on the PC? The PC works normal and I can use Windows and can play games only that the beeping don't comes anymore what does this means? If i switched off the battery and put a empty battery in there it does beep 2 times because of he warning of the CMOS i guess this is normal. Notherboard: Fujitu Siemens D1561

[@GTFour]

There’s a 9550 that is 128bit too, is a good card tbh. Can get a rare low profile one too.