Now you're playing with Power. [Sorry for the re-upload.]
@whatever40534 жыл бұрын
nice
@zacri94344 жыл бұрын
Burger
@JayIsWeird4 жыл бұрын
I got the notification xD
@JayIsWeird4 жыл бұрын
By any chance can you make a comment for every game that you played.
@Fleshlight_Reviewer4 жыл бұрын
What's that pink game pad thing?
@christianlopez22034 жыл бұрын
Glad I came across this channel, I’m binge all your buds now
@amilyester4 жыл бұрын
The way that top lid just pops open is amazing. Wish Intel would make their NUCs more accessible like this.
@michaeldavis64734 жыл бұрын
This comment should blow up
@blaqjackd78304 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldavis6473 lol i agree xD
@wesdesigns18384 жыл бұрын
Are you replacing ram & ssd daily?
@DarKKnightt074 жыл бұрын
I love how you answered the most common gaming question "but can it run Crysis?" yes it can.
@darwinnixonuribebermejo95744 жыл бұрын
Yes
@NeedyBoBeedy4 жыл бұрын
but can it run doom?
@firexallst4rz2774 жыл бұрын
But can it run GTA V ?
@condorX24 жыл бұрын
@@firexallst4rz277 buy it and test it out since nobody answer you lol
@firexallst4rz2774 жыл бұрын
XD!!
@mizukichan9994 жыл бұрын
This is a cute little device to be sure, but I was definitely expecting it to be like, half the price, especially given the last gen Ryzen APU. The size is all it has going for it, a desktop ryzen apu system will cost the same as this and outperform it easily.
@GenesisLZH4 жыл бұрын
What’s the price?
@brandonz4044 жыл бұрын
@@GenesisLZH asking the real questions.
@brandonz4044 жыл бұрын
@@GenesisLZH looks like its between $420 - $480 depending on what you want. Different amounts of ram or storage
@beardalaxy4 жыл бұрын
Man, I paid $200 for my Alienware alpha (the R1) and it outperforms this thing for the most part while being only a little larger.
@brandonz4044 жыл бұрын
@@--waffle- I think the novelty here is how small they are. I think the proprietary parts to make it that small are worth the price. Im obsessed with small tech but for a business that has limited desk space and want very small and capable pcs this is a perfect and very viable option. I worked in call centers and a device smaller than what we had with 2 times the power is something we wouldve loved to have. We waited so long for programs and tools to open up becuase the ram had to allocate more space and the cpu could not handle multitasking very well.
@Lenmaer4 жыл бұрын
Really nice Mini PC. It really looks like a great emulation device.
@marciocattini124 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for vega20 to make it way on apus, it should with the 5000 series
@samihyppia84724 жыл бұрын
Keep hoping :) Amd is a bunch of assholes, they'll never release that many CU's on desktop apu
@FinneousPJ14 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Navi personally
@lucasandrescosta3914 жыл бұрын
That will be emulation gaming perfection. The IPC will be good enough to throw every WiiU and PS3 game onto it plus the GPU will upscale to 4k easy
@Salty_Bass4 жыл бұрын
I want everything that is on your desk. Damn especially the OneGX1. That thing is so cool.
@UNOwen-nn6ui4 жыл бұрын
Yes.Same
@heftycat4 жыл бұрын
what is that pink handheld called in the right?
@urbanknish69654 жыл бұрын
Until I saw this video, I didn't know that Nintendo 3DS, WiiU or Switch had emulators that worked! WOW... incredible.
@Sup_D4 жыл бұрын
Working Nintendo 3DS Emulator had been there for a few years now. Switch emulator is working, but not perfectly.
@TheAbsol74484 жыл бұрын
Citra is even on mobile now.
@sirmustardofhousemayonnais99074 жыл бұрын
Hurrdurr
@rejectionistmanifesto88364 жыл бұрын
@@Sup_D but how do you get the game software titles on PC?
@Sup_D4 жыл бұрын
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 Can't say much except "game file dumps" or "ROM dumps".
@Mosestylez4 жыл бұрын
Great review, but one tip. Next time please include what resolution you are playing with and with what settings on PC games. For instance is Skyrim or Borderlands running on 1080p with the highest settings or 720p with medium etc etc. You get my point :D Other than that great review, you just got yourself a subscriber :)
@SLLabsKamilion4 жыл бұрын
@4:34 he says everything except sonic heros is running in 1080p.
@condorX24 жыл бұрын
Skyrim look way to dark and the grafix looks like it's on life support
@Mosestylez4 жыл бұрын
@@SLLabsKamilion Fine 1080P, but is it 1080P on high setting, medium settings, low settings? There is many different graphics options that can either make the FPS better or worse, even though it is on 1080P...
@leonardo25gabriel4 жыл бұрын
@@SLLabsKamilion All the games on EMULATORS are running on 1080p, he talked about upscaling 2x
@myerwerl4 жыл бұрын
Push to open is kinda underrated! Imagine if all of cases adopt that mechanism.
@christophermorin90364 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including Kirby's Air Ride in your tests. HIGHLY underrated game.
@vero_niqi4 жыл бұрын
yes, yes, nice vid and all that but why you had to tease us with that gorgeous pink zpg only 14 seconds in? 😅
@UNOwen-nn6ui4 жыл бұрын
For real tough😂
@Zx7o.4 жыл бұрын
dude you and ETA Prime are my favorite Mini gaming and random PC things. Thank you for all of your awesome content bro!!! stay safe out there man ✌✌
@MrHirosada4 жыл бұрын
Love your in-depth research as I continue to eye on the ZPG handheld behind your hands. T^T
@Johnny_the_54 жыл бұрын
Looks great! Would love to see some Sega Saturn and Dreamcast running from it. Some Vita also. Thank for showing us this box.
@rkornilo4 жыл бұрын
By the way, I think it really would be interesting to see a quick comparison of single vs duel channel RAM configs..
@FrantzesElzaurdia4 жыл бұрын
Ryzen APUs benefit MASSIVELY from dual channel RAM for those who don't know
@KingKevin1084 жыл бұрын
Man, right in the feels with that inFamous gameplay
@ramon_15064 жыл бұрын
Ryzen apu's are often underestimated, you can increase the tdp, change the amount of vram it uses, upgrade the gpu clock speed and activate all cores, (ryzen 5 3500u= 8 cores total)
@EllisG1234 жыл бұрын
Wow this is a really cool pc ! I like the idea of having all this so portable
@vinjarhansen61784 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, was that Silver? I've never seen anyone play Silver on youtube before, got yourself a sub buddy
@Piensamalyacertaras4 жыл бұрын
Hell yes!!!
@BIG_CLARKY4 жыл бұрын
Woah this lil thing has got some power!
@andrepido7474 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to also have games names besides console they're being played on. Thanks anyway!
@Mysticbeard13374 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh seeing that footage of Silver for DC, definitely brought back some memories. Almost cried.
@AndroidFerret4 жыл бұрын
This thing would be perfect for a handheld device ...
@jamesdavies6864 жыл бұрын
Uhhh, handhelds use like 5 watts. This uses around 20-25w. If this were a handheld you would have about 20min of battery life.
@magnum7614 жыл бұрын
GPD WIN ...
@AndroidFerret4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdavies686 I am sure you could make one ..look at the gpd win ,gpd max , the switch aso ..all of these use more than 5watts or ?
@Jdogg40894 жыл бұрын
Breath of the wild running almost exactly like Wii u. Frame drops and all except worse
@stonedsavage78144 жыл бұрын
@@Jdogg4089 doesn't do that for me but I got new switch it seems way more efficient than the old one thanks to a much thinner nvidia tegra chip.
@waydegutman73394 жыл бұрын
Nice showing all the different games on this device to show its performance capabilities.
@jamesgullickson40394 жыл бұрын
why people call games titles is beyond me, no disrespect to you taki, you make great content, and im drunk
@scottconwell21464 жыл бұрын
I liked this ones looks, & price-point more than the 4k mini pc you showed at the beginning of this video! The accessibility of it through the top of the case is a big plus. If I wasn't planning on building one in the next 1-2 years, I'd get this. Even then, I may sit down & take a more serious look at the specs on this one, both for retro-gaming, & as a main pc. Btw, even when you review the more expensive gaming pc's, it's fun to see what people come up with. Then there's the no-fun, practical side of me that chimes in with: you could build that for less! I still can dream, in this case, & with the Retroid 2, they come within the realms of practical me consideration. Keep the reviews coming!
@christof16564 жыл бұрын
399Dollars without guarantee that it would be produced/delivered ? And Expected shipping will be 25th September regarding the facebook posts. Therefore I'll wait for other manufacturers.
@bobafruti4 жыл бұрын
$399? You can pickup a laptop with a 4600 for $500
@KakashiHatake5244 жыл бұрын
@@bobafruti It's a niche market. MiniPCs have other advantages to laptop. Real life example that happened to me: I used my laptop so much in a period of 3 years that the battery inflated. Now I have to buy a replacement. A MiniPC will not experience that problem.
@frogg47114 жыл бұрын
can you try using linux for better opengl drivers on amd gpus. it will help with yuzu and citra
@ThePsychoticWombat4 жыл бұрын
Can't you run at least Yuzu in Vulkan? Edit: It's probably good to of me to also look at the video, Yuzu is running on Vulkan, but you are still probably right about it running better on Linux
@quentin999994 жыл бұрын
@@ThePsychoticWombat for yuzu he also ONLY has 8gb ram, and yuzu usually requires more than that
@victornoagbodji4 жыл бұрын
🙏 🙏 😺 thank you! this video made me happy somehow. hopefully i can learn more about these mini devices on your channel.
@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh4 жыл бұрын
CRASH BANDICOOT 3:45 & SPYRO DRAGON!!! 3:57 😍😍😍
@TheShadowHatter4 жыл бұрын
Always annoying when you see a device like this and it almost requires you to upgrade it. Wish it was a buy and play out the box.
@MagicDragonesk3 жыл бұрын
Oh no putting new ram is so hard. Quit crying
@mangostechcorner71073 жыл бұрын
Loving these Ryzen mini PC:s!
@thanhavictus4 жыл бұрын
Wow I would love a giveaway for this thing. That's amazing
@jamesaseltine27564 жыл бұрын
Looks nice space concious and portable with a nice number of slots
@Old_Man_Jay4 жыл бұрын
Come on, Taki! You gotta start putting some Saturn emulation in these videos!
@KISSbestfan4 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
@mishakarst34944 жыл бұрын
Nothing on the side but you can see the finish ..break.. *smoothly caress the finish* - very good screenplay here :D
@2010ngojo4 жыл бұрын
I want to know the performance difference w/ single channel vs dual channel ram for this chip.
@psycomutt4 жыл бұрын
Ryzen loves ram. IIRC it's just CPU speed but impact it quite a bit. Look up Gamer's Nexus on KZbin, they go pretty deep into not single vs dual, but ram speed as well. Basically though 3200mhz (low latency) dual channel is what you want.
@Deklectic4 жыл бұрын
I've never even heard of one of these... I use to hate it but I love how KZbin brings the most random videos into my experience that I other wise wouldn't give two 💩's about 🤣🤣 because everyday I learn something new. I'm not surprised with this device considering our phones alone are mini computers. Give it a few more years and well ALL be able to watch Halogram TV and our current smart tvs will be obsolete and we will look at them the way we look at a windows 95 computer with dial up in 2021..😂😂 I can't imagine not having the technology like we do today... it would force me to have to go out socialize more 🙄 vs currently being an introvert and always acting like I'm too busy to hangout with anyone when in reality I just LOVE being alone, when I can ACTUALLY be alone... Gives me a reason to disappear for awhile.. Shout out to my fellow Introverts!!!!! I do like hanging out with other introverts because we have a mutual understanding that just makes for a GREAT friendship.
@xorkatoss4 жыл бұрын
damn Vega 8 is a beast! can't wait for them to get Ryzen 7 with Vega 11 on this mini PCs :D
@hismajesty404 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation!
@JayIsWeird4 жыл бұрын
Lol reupload. Love the mini pc :D
@TFx2TV4 жыл бұрын
@3:38 Crusaders of might and magic, good choice!
@NotTheAverageGamerz4 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how different the pc and ps1 versions are . Completely different games
@HashBandicoot3564 жыл бұрын
**Tony Stark Voice** "I need it...."
@john-paulhunt97984 жыл бұрын
Another one comes out to play. Never been a better time for PC gamers.
@MzuMzu-nx1em4 жыл бұрын
Fat tony "I can make you an offer you cannot refuse " 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣
@maxwaver7774 жыл бұрын
We need the final review of the zpocket ! Nice tease with that pink one :)
@hokutonosword14 жыл бұрын
I know this is an unusual request to test something.... What about graphic tablets ? Like xp pen or huion or Wacom .... Aaaaand run Wii u games using the touch screen !!
@84cman4 жыл бұрын
Great video man
@TakiUdon4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@mattwu644 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can you try some other 3DS games like Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Mario Kart 7, please.
@jasonantonation87874 жыл бұрын
Wow, I’ve been doing consoles my whole life, just starting to learn about pc to switch over. This little box can do everything it took a lifetime for me to get. Other than emulators, it’s looking like I may keep my ps4 when I build my pc because Sony seems to have ps exclusive games that aren’t on pc just yet
@HappehLemons4 жыл бұрын
Can you add the titles of the games your showcasing?
@anointedbychrist9874 жыл бұрын
Man you got the Switch up there wow
@leonardozimbres4 жыл бұрын
there's a list of "standard emulators" to make benchmark tests on a pc device?
@qtheturnup4 жыл бұрын
Dope video. Can you Do sports games in your next video, preferably ESPN NFL 2k5 or NCAA College football 14 for PS2/PS3? Thanks and keep doing your thing we all appreciate it.
@mrx7024 жыл бұрын
Wait, there's a Nintendo Switch emulator? Holy smokes, I wasn't expecting that.
@talos864 жыл бұрын
Yep, its called Yuzu.
@Jackchirak974 жыл бұрын
@@talos86 Yuzu or Cemu
@JoshRafail4 жыл бұрын
@@Jackchirak97 Cemu looks to only be for WiiU
@talos864 жыл бұрын
@@Jackchirak97 Cemu is the WiiU.
@Jackchirak974 жыл бұрын
@@talos86 @Josh my Bad lmao i played Cemu a while ago for BoTW, assumed it was switch >
@necrot7774 жыл бұрын
6:50 Same here, Citra is not fully optimized for AMD CPUs.
@GoYourOwnWay864 жыл бұрын
Our opinions differ greatly on the definition of the word “beast”
@nekobread94304 жыл бұрын
It really nice to see mini pc perform good
@SaintInix4 жыл бұрын
Can't buy them, campaign is closed. Wouldn't mind an update if they hit some kind of retail shop/e-store.
@andrewr79824 жыл бұрын
It’s hit Amazon at least
@abymohanan20434 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻
@ianturner98944 жыл бұрын
How would this compare to a 3400g in one of the AsRock Deskmini A300's? Assuming similar specs ram and storage wise?
@Undercoverfire4 жыл бұрын
It's a lower power laptop chip, I believe: the Ryzen 5 3550H
@trunghoang-jummyegg4 жыл бұрын
3400g is about 30% better than 3550h based on userbenchmark.
@AMV12S4 жыл бұрын
This NUC have similar CPU/GPU of my laptop (2500U), you can play even modern AAA PC games on this.
@ValsNemesis4 жыл бұрын
literally made an indie gogo just to follow this
@diegoleao4 жыл бұрын
"Makes this game a breeze to play", a few seconds later: 7:49 (drop to 13 fps on a single enemy hit, audio freezes) I appreciate the analysis, and it is an interesting machine, I just get upset when reviewers tell me a game runs great on a machine, even when you suffer this kind of freezing throught the experience.
@dr_vendetta83614 жыл бұрын
it’s because the emulator hasn’t built the cache properly which means that the game would freeze sometimes on stuff on first play through due to building the cache needed for it
@Vitaliuz4 жыл бұрын
"GPU and CPU usage" Where's the GPU usage, though?
@briansrcadventures13164 жыл бұрын
Would make a neat little HTPC / Streaming box!
@danielmaytie4 жыл бұрын
What’s the names of the ps2 & ps3 emulator that your using?
@jacknisbet39544 жыл бұрын
The most popular emulators are PSC2/3X (I think that's what it's called)
@FinneousPJ14 жыл бұрын
Rpcs3
@cdreyes814 жыл бұрын
Oh man props to showing Silver
@forgottenwisdoms4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see this turned into a hackintosh!
@iTechGamingLOL4 жыл бұрын
So much power in such a small device. Wish you could have tried on steam the spyro trilogy and crash trilogy just so we compare it with the ps1 versions you represented.
@maxbunnies4 жыл бұрын
What was that ps3 emulator? I didn’t know there was one that worked
@FinneousPJ14 жыл бұрын
Rpcs3
@100Bucks4 жыл бұрын
The emulator been out a while now. Here's a video I made kzbin.info/www/bejne/pauqfouobdeIhKs
@RamyWarda4 жыл бұрын
Wow, this thing is a powerhouse for its form factor. We need a 4900HS mini PC 😬
@SRC2674 жыл бұрын
Asus making PN50 Ryzen
@ZeoWorks4 жыл бұрын
No Yuzu? :)
@javontedonuts10344 жыл бұрын
Would I connect this to my tv?
@hoodeez4 жыл бұрын
you can but also gpd win3 can run switch games at full resolution 60fps
@ZeoWorks4 жыл бұрын
@@hoodeez Nice! Any videos? :)
@ZebraFacts4 жыл бұрын
How does this PC preform at daily usage, eg, internet searching, KZbin, streaming, up and downloading...stuff like that? Could you do a review showing how these types of units work for those of us that don't play games?
@thecommenter5784 жыл бұрын
8:54 Mario is on the moon
@imfrommars91344 жыл бұрын
Underrated channel
@I_am_ENSanity4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have a list of good emulators to use for PS1, PS2, GBC, PSP, GBA, and 2DS?
@appalachianwanderer46344 жыл бұрын
bookmark - in case of an answer.
@lucario57174 жыл бұрын
For 3ds Citra
@Allious1314 жыл бұрын
Yea it's expensive it's nice to look at it but way to much I'm good
@dondon-kw5zx4 жыл бұрын
@Solid Snake does anyone know the step by step way to download and use the ps2 emulator for macbook and to download games
@roflBeck4 жыл бұрын
@Solid Snake If you google PCSX2 and go to their website, you'll see it has a Mac port. Lots of emulators are ported to multiple platforms.
@sushimshah28964 жыл бұрын
I just wish I had the money to buy the over-priced Hades Canyon NUC, which I feel it's the best NUC if gaming is considered. Neither did we see many laptops with those really nice Kaby Lake G chips I wish something similar existed today.
@CARLGULA4 жыл бұрын
You mean to tell me this little thing will run MW 2019? If that's the case I need one of these for when I travel because lugging around a PS4 pro isn't very good lol excellent review! ,✌️
@88oscuro4 жыл бұрын
No. Take a look at hades canyon or something instead. Should exist benchmarks as well.
@531cuk3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid bro thanks
@christopherellis61674 жыл бұрын
I don't get how you"re playing 64 or gamecube with that controller. Please tell me how? Doesn't seem to be enough buttons
@MAFz74 жыл бұрын
I play N64/GC with moga pro (similar to his controller) and I don't see anything missing I can play every game perfectly fine with it. It worth to mention that it works with my smartphone and laptop via bluetooth or cable.
@Trid3nt8614 жыл бұрын
as a person who builds PCs of my own and predominantly a PC gamer and artist on PC that computer is actually nice. Just wish that there was a way to link a GPU via a cable mod or something.
@MrSamNtz4 жыл бұрын
Wait a second how the hell did you get a Nintendo switch emulator. I didn't even know there was one yet.
@IvanTube04 жыл бұрын
yuzu emulator, how do you not know?
@manuel_mx4 жыл бұрын
well, good thing is that now you know!
@richardsinclair76614 жыл бұрын
Citra is a fantastic little emulator, but it needs more optimization on other platforms. That said, they just released the Android version in May, and I've been using it to play both Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy games with no issues. Not every game runs as well, but a large chunk of them do, and more are continually added. The same team behind Citra are also the ones developing the Nintendo Switch emulator yuzu.
@decent_human_4 жыл бұрын
thank you for including the fact that citra is on mobile in your comment, I didn't know that. I'm gonna go give it a try if I can find a rom to test it with
@richardsinclair76614 жыл бұрын
@@decent_human_ I wish you luck, and hope that it works on your device. It works decently well on my S10e, but given how vast the mobile space is, and how young the emulator is (in comparison to others), my experience isn't the standard.
@decent_human_4 жыл бұрын
I'm using an s10e as well, glad to know you've had a good experience with it, gives me hope.
@catloverowo4 жыл бұрын
How come the first one isn’t available
@TakiUdon4 жыл бұрын
I had to reupload.
@ls-prez61254 жыл бұрын
This one is awesome. Sounds like it could be a replacement to my alienware alpha. Thanks.
@mintynuggets4 жыл бұрын
Phetsy Vang assuming you have a gtx 860m, this is actually quite a bit worst. I have an Alienware x51 and I love it
@soulife83834 жыл бұрын
I could never get Metal Gear Solid or Syphon Filter working on an emulator.
@ga8rielsMsg4 жыл бұрын
2 of the greatest games ever made!! Dang! Memories
@soulife83834 жыл бұрын
@@ga8rielsMsg MGS was ahead of its time on PS1... Cigarettes and diazepam were functioning in game items crucial to successfully playing the game, lol.
@bardozan4 жыл бұрын
MGS has a PC version btw.
@Emaratilfy4 жыл бұрын
My advice would be to wait it out. There are going to be more Ryzen Mini PCs coming out and they would offer better value than this box.
@jg5upa8314 жыл бұрын
How the hell you find a switch emu
@ahmadamiga4 жыл бұрын
Same question
@beaksaver53614 жыл бұрын
I would really like to see you test the Ratchet and clank games on the PS2 emulator as the games require a good cpu to run them even on a normal pc. You see the games where only able to run in software mode on older versions of PCSX2 (below 1.5.0 i think) as there where texture problems on the hardware mode setting. Now with new updates ( 1.5.0 and above) there is mipmapping in hardware mode that fixes most of the probelms. The main problem is that for PS2 emulation you need a good cpu as i said before, an AMD ryzen 5 3600 is a great one.( for a main pc build) I would say that getting the 550 dollar intel option of this is the best bet in terms of emulation.
@spartanbpun4 жыл бұрын
Wow this is a beast ♥️
@clochard40744 жыл бұрын
This form factor should be more common, a lot of people doesn't use a dedicated gpu anyway.
@trunghoang-jummyegg4 жыл бұрын
You might be surprise by how many people use dedicated gpu and not the other way around. I mean most people who build pc use gpu. Because if they don’t, they just buy a laptop. That’s why APU (like Ryzen 3400G) is so niche and you don’t hear about them.
@clochard40744 жыл бұрын
@@trunghoang-jummyegg You are right, it's funny it didn't come to my mind earlier!
@Bigdawghboy4 жыл бұрын
Spyro 1-3 music soothes my soul
@thanatos51764 жыл бұрын
Saw that there are 4 ads and immediately closed video
@TakiUdon4 жыл бұрын
Cool. Those are automatically set by KZbin. I don't do any sponsorships or any other bs on this channel, so KZbin ads are the only way I can get something back for my time.
@rhomis3 жыл бұрын
I can use that to build a Video Arcade Machine that plays all the old games with MAME or Retroarch.
@otakuman95764 жыл бұрын
I do want a all in one mini emulation console and this box is pretty good. Some turbo Gfax 16 and PC enjine games I wanna see on the future video
@Airbag8884 жыл бұрын
All this is missing is a 4900HS and maybe regular size DIMM support :)
@dreyb18014 жыл бұрын
Nice video bro. I like the wide variety of games you covered. I still don't get how it runs PS3 games better than switch though. Probably the yuzu still needs more work.
@e2rqey4 жыл бұрын
While I get the value of repasting the CPU in-order to get better temps. I would like to have seen at least some performance metrics before you re-pasted it, as most people will not be doing that and I think it's important to review the product based on it's out of the box performance. It would also have given valuable information about whether repasting was worth it in the first place.