This scene is WAY MORE RELEVANT as an adult.

The part where Atreyu and Gmork come face to face, and the true cost of the Nothing's spread.
Saw this the other day, and it's a LOT different as an adult. I'd recommend the book as well, though it's a bit different. Sorry if there's ads on the video or if anyone can't watch it, it was instantly copyright ID'ed.

[@JohnLocksley]

The comments are fantastic. Thank you all.

[@DafyddBrooks]

its certainly given me something to think about man. Thank you for sharing! hope it'll reach a million views soon

[@shforty-seven5573]

Not all dreams and hopes are sunshine and lollipops

[@DafyddBrooks]

@@shforty-seven5573 very good point, which is why we need to dream and hope a little harder to stop it from happening

[@logansrevenge1214]

Pure nightmare fuel period😢. I blame gmork for my insomnia. Cuz when I was shown that as a kid I didn't sleep for week. That and when he loses hes horse Artax.

[@CorbCorbin]

At that moment, Gmork charged, shouting “Fu$& around and find out!” If only Gmork knew; Atreyu was quite good at fu$&ing around, and finding out. Atreyu crawled from beneath the lifeless beast, looking somber, for a moment, with almost a glint of regret in his eyes, before quickly leaning over and shouting into Gmork’s ear, “I’m Rick James, Beeitch! Artax is dead in the swamp of sadness, you evil wolf my muthafu$&a!”

[@exgrinder]

80s movies didn’t treat the children audiences as idiots. Loved it

[@peterjones1797]

Seems like modern kid's movies are just like hey look how stupid adults are

[@timmorris1432]

Now movies treat adults like idiot children.

[@chrisdouglas1158]

Subtle Modern version : but what is the nothing ? It's all the evil terf and right wingers trying to steal lgbtqi2a+ hopes and dreams. Who are you realy? I'm the one trying to make Fantasia great again. Hmmm tell us what you realy think Hollywood writers don't just drop hints 😂😂

[@dakinehernandez1742]

Puss and Boots 3... Although I mostly agree.

[@jellyfishjones4741]

90s films... well, they were by no means all bad, but they did give us "Never Ending Story 3".

[@KiEuKiTo]

Love 80's fantasy movies like this, The Labyrinth, & The Dark Crystal. They didn't seek to shield children from the challenges of an often harsh reality, but rather teach them to tackle them.

[@BigBrotherMateyka]

"The timidity of the child or the savage is entirely reasonable; they are alarmed at this world, because this world is a very alarming place...Fairy tales, then, are not responsible for producing in children fear, or any of the shapes of fear; fairy tales do not give the child the idea of the evil or the ugly; that is in the child already, because it is in the world already. Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. What fairy tales give the child is his first clear idea of the possible defeat of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon." ~G. K. Chesterton, "Tremendous Trifles": Chapter XVII. The Red Angel

[@KiEuKiTo]

@BigBrotherMateyka Interesting quote. However, I don't agree that evil or ugliness is within children already because it is "in the world already." Evil, or the concept of ugliness are entirely human concepts. We produce them as part of the human condition, a symptom of our otherwise beautiful consciousness. They are our attempts to ascribe higher meaning to otherwise natural realities, such as the cruelty of finality--the curse of our conscious mind being aware of its own morality & irrevocable nature of entropy--or the violence of survival. Both of which are actually necessary for life in the first place.

[@ccptube3468]

Don't forget The Witches..

[@MumblesMumbled]

Don't forget Legend either!

[@omaramador4669]

One more Legend, I saw the movie when it’s came out. I was a teen so the very beginning and the dialogue between the girl and the beast was missed entirely by me. Recently I watched the movie after almost 40 years and realized that those scenes were the best part of it.

[@ohkaygoplay]

"Because people who have no hopes are easy to control. And whoever has the control has the power." This creature scared me as a kid. As an adult, looking back on my experiences, and observations of others in the world, I can see that he was right.

[@RX-12]

What's interesting is that if the Nothing succeeds then Gmork would die too, but he's still clinging to the delusion that this will give him power.

[@puterboy2]

Let me guess, he's referring to Hitler?@@RX-12

[@MsScarletwings]

And the craziest thing was he didn’t even mean that. It was a true observation, and yet power was never something he cared much for. So much that Atreyu saw right through the lie. That’s what really made G’mork so scary to me. His motivations aren’t even self-interested or rational. Morally he’s less like a power hungry villain and more like The Lich; a creature bent on death and destruction for its own sake.

[@felixicon]

48 laws of power chapter 1

[@chrisfojtik7391]

Before that....Lucifer ​@@puterboy2

[@the_lichemaster]

You'd never know Alan Oppenheimer (voice of Gmork) performed Skeletor as well as countless others. Brilliant voice actor.

[@RX-12]

He was also Falcor and the Rock Biter.

[@comicsans1136]

sounds like he was the bomb

[@aaronmccreeps5202]

Skeletor? Dam that one I did not know. I knew Falcor and Rock Biter.

[@bryanmuster5662]

My wife was so mad at me for showing her this movie. I was all like, "It's a timeless classic" and she's was all, "I cant believe you made me watch a horse drown!"

[@amitkenan3878]

Sounds like a normal couple😜

[@droth1031]

Make her read the book. The horse can talk.

[@MsDemonBunny]

Bastian fixes it at the end. Artax is restored along with the rest of Fantasia. Basically, nice save, movie. Well played.

[@maijin007]

Try reading the Wheel of Time series and getting 14 books in thinking Bela is just another plow horse that has always been there to save the kids and then B.Sanderson drops Memory of Light on you. Neverending Story was alot easier :)

[@billywashere6965]

@@MsDemonBunny I didn't know Atreyu got yeeted too during the crumbling of the ivory tower; I only discovered that after watching the German version. So yeah, Bastian restored both Atrax and Atreyu, along with the rest of Fantasia.

[@pankratos5017]

In the book, Gmork mentions something about "the Manipulators", implying they live in the human world and are secretly and deliberately causing us to lose our hopes and forget our dreams.

[@Contraltissimo]

I have two questions: --How much did this author know? --Have the (((manipulators))) killed him yet?

[@ambergris9359]

I read some religious quotes and even bible verses about "being contented for having whatever is available and to not expect for more". That strikes me as "keep them poor" mentality.

[@mrgarybusey2052]

​@@ambergris9359 Pretty sure thats a metaphor on being content with what you have and not get greedy. You're being paranoid.

[@andrefilipe9042]

@@mrgarybusey2052 Well, I would say yes and no. Sometimes we have to get content with only with what's available because we already have more than enough, true. Other times there's something very essencial that is missing. Like the answer of a burning question, a worthwhile company, or a good roof over the head. But if we proclaim to others this soul deep need, they might down play our cries and say to just endure. Also it's worth mentioning that when Christianity became a state religion, there were a lot of ideas that were dispersed along side it's theological doctrine to help control the masses. Like the idea of Heaven or Hell, when the ancient Hebrews wouldn't widely believe in just one sort of afterlife but rather consider many, like the Gilgulim (their version of reincarnation)

[@ambergris9359]

@@mrgarybusey2052 im not getting paranoid. That bible verse striken me so hard that i have a deep realization how religion manipulates people into "just barely living" and everything excess should be "donated". Donate to whom? The church said "put God first" in everything. People should donate to God before any else.

[@RX-12]

I like how Atreyu asks why Gmork is doing this like he's trying to see some good in him, and he looks more and more horrified as realizes he's only doing it for power and because he enjoys it. The way Atreyu stares at him at 3:11, you can see him realize Gmork can't be reasoned with, he's simply pure evil and needs to be destroyed.

[@DRUGZTV]

Gmork was awaiting the inevitable.

[@BlushGush]

Noah is a good actor, he really nailed this role

[@Jah_LEASE_yah]

The Nothing is literally fear, anxiety, and depression. that kills your hopes, dreams, and sense of wonder until there is nothing left but emptiness.

[@InsideOutsider81]

And It's winning. Take a good look at society today. Not a pretty picture 🥺

[@Jah_LEASE_yah]

@@InsideOutsider81 🥺

[@jizzaymz]

80's fantasy was on a level of it's own that simply CANNOT be recreated.

[@felin_de_la_nuit]

Got that right. Nor 80s music. Simply the best.

[@jizzaymz]

@@felin_de_la_nuit you've got that right 💯

[@godzillavkk]

Careful, though. The 80’s had its own fair share of hopelessness and despair. But you were a kid back then. You didn’t need to worry about the bad stuff.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

​@@godzillavkk they said 80s fantasy though, not the 80s in general, of course every era has its own social issues and problems... But one can't deny that at least the content and entertainment of past eras were a bit more imaginative than they are nowadays

[@godzillavkk]

@@cyborgchicken3502 That's because they were purely escapist to distract from the horrors back then. Now we know too much escapism is unhealthy.

[@oscarsmack141]

Ironic how you'd think this scene would be scarier for kids, but it's actually scarier watching it as an adult.

[@ShahaniBragaValdezAquino-wl2bg]

As a kid, you watch this thinking "I'll never lose my imagination and hope." And now...

[@mugakamurakumo]

Killing yourself slowly working a dead end job, barely scraping by while your passions take a back seat? 100% TRUTH.

[@sol7476]

​@@ShahaniBragaValdezAquino-wl2bg too bad for you I didn't

[@mattmarzula]

​@@sol7476 So you live in a fantasy world?

[@mattmarzula]

​@@mugakamurakumo Maybe your truth. Speak for yourself.

[@JaxontheOkay]

i love that gmork still fights for power even when his own world is crumbling down around him. you can see the fear in his eyes when the ground shakes yet he remains the delusion that this will give him power

[@ergu7811]

Gmork doesnt has a world of his own. That´s the downside of being an elusive entitiy. More of that in a fantastic video that quotes the book: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqLQZZ53qZeZo7M

[@sstaners1234]

“People without any hope are easy to control.Those that have the control have the power.” It’s as true today as it was in 1984.

[@frempy4426]

Literally 1984

[@ulfingvar1]

Always was, always will be.. Today that wolf dude is islam.

[@jonpowell4246]

It's even truer now than it was then, just look at what humanity has done to itself and what they're allowing to have done to themselves. Our modern society has become the nothing.

[@eyeseer1]

Prominent for a 40 year old movie.

[@initra25]

“People who have no hope are easy to control”….. saw this when I was a kid…. now as a man in my 40’s that statement hits hard.

[@amitkenan3878]

People can be controlled with false hope as well

[@tiba242424]

@@amitkenan3878 not for nearly as long.

[@chriswhite3692]

@@amitkenan3878 But that's not exclusionary.

[@waynesmith6325]

@@tiba242424 BUT the ones dealing the false hope only have to have the victim believe it just long enough to score whatever their grift is then BAM they're gone like pyramid schemes or worse the victim is dead....think Jim Jones (Yes he killed himself only because he knew he was toast IF he could have he'd have fled!!) and his lovely Cult. No hope is the ultimate goal of the World Governments, Rich/Elites for us Peasants!!

[@ereisfireboi]

​@@amitkenan3878 yep, it's called religion

[@wedgeantilles4712]

"I am Gmork, the servant behind the nothing" I always remember that line. I love Gmorks reaction when he finds out who he's talking to.

[@JoeBuk724]

“Hey didn’t your ship just get shot?” I was just watching “Hostiles on the hill” and that was the first thing I thought of when I saw your name lol

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

What was his reaction?

[@gavinclark6891]

one like away from 666

[@Simon-talks]

Gmork is now a metaphor for Biden's administration

[@rmgonzalez23]

​@@Simon-talkswow dragging politics over rocks and mountains into a conversation about 80s fantasy lol.

[@jasonhemp7973]

I still remember my mom standing in the entrance of our living room wearing that loving smirk as she watched me watch this movie enrapture. My mom was very selective with what tv I was allowed to watch, but she let me watch this movie a million times. When I was young I thought is was simply a matter of no fowl language or nudity. But as an adult I understand what she saw in this film, and her hope its message would sink into to her thick headed son. RIP Mom.

[@olbricky6824]

What about the Sphinxes with the giant tits

[@brookeredfield9689]

That's a beautiful reflection and lovingly written.

[@avibetoomanyentertainment]

That’s beautiful thank you for sharing.

[@seanraines5871]

What movie is this? I need to see it

[@lighlotus117]

​@@seanraines5871Never Ending Story

[@shatterjack]

it really scared me when Gmork's eyes got big with fear, such a scary thing getting that scared of something else

[@joeboo8626]

I believe the allegory of the nothing is that, as we get older, we lose our imagination. For me, It's really hard to feel joy and excitement these days. This movie really hits hard now.

[@TacShooter]

The Nothing is the everyday reality of a lot of Russians and increasingly a lot of Americans. When the individual isn't valued (as in Communism) no importance is placed on his hopes and dreams. He is easier to send off to a war that you seem to have no intention of winning.

[@cooperminion825]

So true. I think we start to lose our imagination when we're told to grow up. Also, when we first start school, we're told to stop daydreams and pay attention. Sad but true

[@mikem5454]

I think imagination is like muscle. Use it or lose it. Exercise it.

[@eyermatt]

I think it has to do with elites of the world and the narratives the put out to keep us in constant fear, so we lose hope and therefor we dont believe in ourselves to stand and fight for what is righteous and just.

[@waterotter3625]

​@@mikem5454 Agreed! My imagination through my artwork has gone to sleep because I'm so addicted to social media. I'm starting to break the cycle by reading again.

[@Scavenger82]

Gmork's monologue, his explanation about The Nothing (and the Power behind it), blew my mind as a kid. It's had a huge influence on my worldview.

[@mr.vargas5648]

He is the nothing.

[@Geospasmic]

Same here. It's always stuck with me.

[@TheStunnerFTW]

I wonder how much more this could potentially expand/deepen this vast ocean of thoughts i possess.

[@JettScott]

Yeah, same here. But I would have never dreamed that he would turn out to be right. People ARE losing thier hopes and dreams.

[@gmork1090]

@@JettScott It's cyclical.

[@workingshlub8861]

this scared the hell out of me as a kid......"people with no hope are easy to control" that speaks volumes and i always rememberd that line

[@aaronmoran7195]

Gmork was a real deep character for such little screen time. To quote The Dark Knight ‘some just want to see the world burn!’ Everything was being destroyed and he loved it.

[@justafriendlycryptid]

I honestly miss practical puppets like this. They're both fascinating and just add am extra layer of... Interaction.

[@MechaLeo]

I took note of the difference between Yoda as a muppet and CGI effect, how the inconsistencies in the puppet actually made Yoda feel more expressive and “real” from the added layer of permanence and interaction. The asymmetry, saggy rubber, the jitters, the folds in the face after they adjust his eyes and mouth, it’s imperfect and ironically makes it better as a result. It’s why the puppet’s return in the sequels felt odd, it was too smoothed out and symmetrical. The expression is a huge part of it, so I’ll just leave it at reminding people that Smaug the dragon wasn’t CGI Lion King and gmod TF2 skits look better than Injustice.

[@psychedelicpegasus7587]

​@@MechaLeo Spoiler for The Last Jedi below: The practical puppet was brought back for Yoda in The Last Jedi. So much nostalgia.

[@MechaLeo]

@@psychedelicpegasus7587 My dude I just brought that up

[@natiart]

they are more real than today's CGI

[@NewAnderL]

Totally agree!Nowadays is just a shit show of CGI in every single movie...

[@thomsenbamboo2176]

Gmork + that music = pure nightmare fuel as an 80's kid. And yeah, this speech about people being easier to control was super advanced and incredibly relevant.

[@prestonmlangford]

That speech would have been just as relevant 200 or 1000 years ago as it is today. People have been dealing with and writing about these ideas for all of written history.

[@ravenbom]

I kind of miss 80's kids movies, back when half of them were horror movies for kids. Kids in peril, kids dealing with loss, esoteric ennui, weltschmerz, angst, pathos... Kids can have complicated emotions and adults do too, and we look back at our childhood to sort them out when we're older, so it can help to have a good, complex template to look back upon.

[@Teeveepicksures]

​@@ravenbom Right? Even some early Sesame Street videos are anxiety inducing, meloncholy, and/or just utterly bizarre. (The 'Milk Crisis' video STILL makes me uncomfortable) But I'm eternally greatful for being alive for all of it.

[@josephcowley1045]

Yep gave me nightmares for a whole year!!!

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Back when kids movies had relevant messages in them that were useful in real life

[@mrmoocher777]

Gmork is particularly interesting in this scene because Atreyu is asking him one question after another and getting answers. It’s kind of like an NPC in a game who has all the answers. It’s so interesting how Atreyu shouts every word at him, while Gmork calmly whispers his responses.

[@kisstune]

Except for the last question: Who are you really?

[@randygrubba3774]

How does he respond to that question? @@kisstune

[@ergu7811]

He (does) answer the question and "goes all in". Gmork is in the book the bearer of the half truth. He thinks that he has the other one in his pocket already and can unload the sucker punch. @@randygrubba3774

[@MsScarletwings]

@@randygrubba3774 spoiler of course, but: He reveals that he was lying about that “people are easy to control” line. G’mork doesn’t actually care about power; he just considers himself a servant of the nothing. Essentially, an agent of destruction whose purpose was to help usher in the inevitable calamity. He tells Atreyu his name, and accidentally reveals that he had been hunting down the boy since the beginning of the movie. Atreyu responds by taunting G’mork to attack him, and he kills the wolf with a rock knife.

[@RX-12]

There's something chilling about that death stare Atreyu gives him at 3:11. Like he's deciding right there that this evil creature has to die.

[@SkyMustFall]

1984 was a very special year. I can’t quite put my finger on it. Something very…different 🙂. I recently talked to someone about this and how it’s so strange that it echos today with current events. They kind of brushed it off like, because it’s a kids movie, right? I told them to look up the author of the book. Imagine their shock when they found out the writer grew up during WWII in Germany, witnessed bombings, had friends drafted and forced to fight and die. Not only this, when he received his papers he joined a resistance group against the Nazis. The nothing is an allegory for the hopelessness of war. The sadness and the depression left in its wake. It was destroying Fantasia both literally and metaphorically. The agent of the nothing was the evil behind the war looking to snuff out the last flicker of light. And he enjoyed it, as someone with a bloodlust might. Bastian is afraid because he is told not to dream too big. Not to speak up. Feet on the ground, like boots of a soldier marching to orders. When he let his voice be heard he changed his part of the world. The word bastian literally means fortress. A fortress of dreams, aspirations and hope. The very things war tries to destroy time and time again. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” -Unknown

[@Frmrspecialist74]

The rock eaters lament shaped me as a child … I can still feel the sorrow in his voice “these look like big strong hands”

[@tdeo2141]

I too felt sad for the rock eater… yet I identified more with Bastian, I was always reading books in my room, in the library, at the beach, anywhere I could find one…

[@gorrarota]

Everything catches up with age, this dialogue hits when you're older...

[@theBeastcub]

everyone talks about what happens to the horse in this movie, but really I find said scene with the rock biter to be even sadder

[@raetime2350]

Yes!! Then he ends up on a motorbike whilst “Born to be wild” is playing, in the sequel. I was furious as a kid in the cinema. (I haven’t actually checked this, it is all from memory)

[@Novusod]

Look at these big strong hands. The nothing just took them away. It ripped them right out of my hands. I could not hold on to them.

[@DalekDalmatian-the-prop-maker]

This is why I love real props/puppetry … because even if it is a little janky the look of the eyes is just something else the way he looks at him from afar but so close that he could get him… the unpredictable I’d say … just something so unsettling about his design… such a good movie … I wish they made them like this still and the music almost a puts you on edge with the shreaking strings that makes your hairs stand in end… forgot how scary this film was and it’s not even horror … man I love the 80s sure some things are very cheesy like the music bits a decade of pure nostalgia for even people like me who weren’t even born then

[@csclinton]

Yes this was the scary part of the film when I was younger. Even as an adult there's something so creepy and uneasy about it. This movie was a true adventure and it had everything.

[@mattb.7079]

Man just his eyes widening and staring at Atreyu with each earthquake... Even if I know perfectly what follows, it still makes me sooo tense

[@joshualap401]

Yea that is exactly what I was thinking. I think because he is a puppet he is more scary because there is something very unnatural about his expresions and movement.

[@colbyboucher6391]

And there's nothing like a physical prop that's actually in the scene, even today. Heck just look at The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, it's a great showcase of what can be done with enough time, talent and money

[@rachelr.290]

Yeah something about how janky it is - that this was something made w human hands in order to fit the artistic vision for the film - makes it 1000x better than the current policy of “do everything in the most lifeless, uninteresting CGI because digital effects teams are largely not unionized and we can treat them like dogs.”

[@U2QuoZepplin]

Who ever wrote this was so ahead of their time. It's like they were looking in to their crystal ball because it's a perfect metaphor for the early 21st century that we are living through now.

[@daigoaisabli]

Nah this same happened a lot of times through history.

[@daviddaddy]

It will always be relevant, as long as humans exist.

[@douglasjohnson3364]

No. It's not. It's a metaphor for losing innocence and growing up

[@msullivan85]

Not a crystal ball. Just a world history book.

[@malbowz1257]

But it's always been that way for time immemorial. Who ever has the control has the power. Every tyrannical despot in history has understood this. One could argue it began in the garden of Eden when Satan tempted Eve to disobey God. Once he was able to introduce sin into the world, Satan has sought to trap and control us through our sinful desires so that his power and influence over the world may grow.

[@richardfranks4252]

Gmork was just finishing a shit before Atreyu interrupted him. I can understand his mood.

[@ardidsonriente2223]

I had the fortune to read thhe book first, when I was 8 years old. Then a few years later I saw the movie. And they marked me for real, made me love narrative and art and philosophy (even when I didn't totally understood it, It grasped me anyway). This scene in particular, both in the book and in the movie, forged in me the idea that storytelling is not only good and necesary, but also a responsability, a serious one. Because when ideas are left to fall into the nothing, they degrade into mere lies, empty of meaning and full of harm. So the telling stories, old and new, is part of what we have to do to keep our humanity alive and sane.

[@HK00088]

Kids today can’t watch this

[@minimobilereview6570]

love this comment it is a resounding truth

[@princessmarlena1359]

Say it for those in the back! 🙌

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

Wolfgang Petersen really nailed that scene so

[@Augusto_Pinochet]

Funny because, over the past 5-10 years, it’s incredibly rare to find any new stories through television, film, or reading. Now it’s just media that is bereft of morality or hope in the plot. Even stories are a contribution to the “Nothing”.

[@russellharrell2747]

Gmork’s speech is like the opposite of Yoda’s teachings in Empire Strikes Back. They both contain truths that enlighten one’s world view, but one focuses on the endless possibilities of an inner power while the other focuses on the misuse and disuse of that power.

[@laressplinter9507]

Golden age, man.

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

Not even close.

[@channibles]

@@enekaitzteixeira7010elaborate

[@ERBanmech]

Reminds me of a voiceline in a game I play. “The opposite of the truth is a lie, the opposite of a great truth is another great truth”

[@nbkawtgnobody]

I know not many of you "if any" will find this relevent but I came to this ,by some sheer coincidence or by possibly the KZbin allogorithm, soon after listening to DarkThornes "Crossing The Triangle of Flames", and during the songs crescendo the lyrics go: "I am the wolf in the darkest sceen. Phantasm sweep my role. I am lucifer. I bring you 'light' and pride". Strange ain't it.

[@EtherD86]

This scene stuck with me since the day I first saw it as a child. I was completely fascinated by Gmork and the dialogue from this moment. It changed my perception on the world and on others. He is dying, yet still clamors for that power. Designed to help the Nothing right into his own self destruction, into oblivion. The scene continues on and just as powerful when Atreyu tells Gmork who he is, and he will not die or fall, he stands for dreams. Just fantastic. I really hope some day we get a new take on the book so a new audience can experience it in a newfound way.

[@francoisdutoit3360]

please no

[@06mrselfdestruct]

No, I don’t want a shitty Woke remake, they will make Atreyu black

[@mxfilms9738]

@@06mrselfdestruct what race is he now?

[@SRMoore1178]

Nope. Remake is not needed. Especially in this modern age of bad writing and "THE MESSAGE".

[@honorablejudgecoinberg1788]

If we get a remake it needs to happen after our era is over. Otherwise it will just be lizzo as atreyu vs Amy Schumer Donald trump impression as gmork.

[@garrisonnichols807]

Definitely one of the most terrifying bad guys in a film. Scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

[@arthp.9451]

"Because people without any hope are easier to control, and whoever has the control, has the power" Okay, this gave me goosebumps and that crazy feeling behind my nape

[@gypsybluewaves580]

Ditto

[@nathansmith22]

I felt it in my taint.

[@borger99]

Only about a million forms of media say this. It doesn’t matter, no one makes a change. Keep voting guys 🤡

[@FlyForAWhiteTy]

This is why this book replaced the Bible for me lol wait-

[@arthp.9451]

@@borger99 I'm from Brazil, bruh, after the clown show that the 2022 Elections here were, I'm not voting for shit anymore

[@jw_gojifan19]

Back when movies weren’t afraid to be dark. They had amazing themes and lessons to teach. Neverending Story scarred me as a kid but that left it all the more impactful. This movie and Labyrinth hit so hard. And the worst part is that Gmork is right. The emptiness thats left when people lose their hopes, because people who have no hope are easy to control, and the one who has the control has the power. That’s why I always dreaded growing up. I didn’t want to lose my sense of imagination. Most days, I feel like I have.

[@Doncroft1]

Now all kids movies are about "generational trauma." My grandma doesn't understand me, how horrible!!! What the heck happened, man?

[@jw_gojifan19]

@@Doncroft1 I'm pretty sure that is companies wanting families to turn on themselves.

[@w_h_y1112]

bc back then "The Goonies" was a PG rated show, at worst PG-13. Now it is rated R. Regulations have changed over time.

[@w_h_y1112]

@@Doncroft1 did u not actually watch Encanto ? Sure it is Disney so it is watered down, but man it was more then "im so misunderstood" angsty teen stuff like how things were in the 2000s. It was actual trauma that was passed down bc she didn't have time to process her own trauma from war and loosing her people and half her family.

[@Doncroft1]

@W_H_Y Yes, I actually watched Encanto, and I didn't like it much. It's just one of many that lean that way. Chill.

[@DaDoubleDee]

I loved how when the world started to rumble from the storm, the more aroused Gmork became, straining his body and smiling with eyes wide and glowing. What a chilling character !!

[@ansuz444]

Aroused is a very strange word to choose for this..

[@pennyc7833]

@@ansuz444 The word arouse literally means to awaken. It isn’t the words fault that most people use it to mean sexual arousal without adding the correct context for the word.

[@ansuz444]

@@pennyc7833 is that how you use words? Because when I speak to general people, I speak to the common man so that the masses will be more likely to understand me. Otherwise, what's the point of speaking in the first place other than to stroke one's own ego and to frustrate all the others?

[@pennyc7833]

@@ansuz444 Possibly a side effect. I’m a writer and so I tend to use what word I feel best fits the situation. Not to mention overusing some words make things tedious to read, so if you add variety it tends to liven things up a bit.

[@ansuz444]

@@pennyc7833 in my opinion you write very well just based on what I've seen. :)

[@mikey5396]

Definitely right with your headline. As a child I shrugged off Gmork's warnings as something I can easily overcome. As an adult, I know that his prediction is inevitable.

[@VengeDracul]

Pure Truth! A child you fully don't understand what Gmork is stating. As child you only think about what HE is saying movie wise. As an Adult you see Everything Gmork is saying in real time. Damn I love this movie. This scene alone is the best scene of the whole damn movie.

[@Theomite]

I didn't realize the *gravity* of what G'Mork said, but I understood certain adult themes from story points because I'd seen them in other movies/TV shows. The Rockbiter's suicidal depression made sense to me because "Oh, he's sad that his friends are dead, so he's giving up" but the emotional *weight* of that went over my head because I had nothing like that at the time. So G'Mork saying that he was helping The Nothing so that people could be controlled sounded like a dozen other Evil Genius plans I'd seen before, but I didn't know enough about human psychology to understand how it worked.

[@BoomerElite4u]

As a kid, I think I was too terrified to comprehend anything he was saying, lol

[@hawk66100]

“If we’re about to die anyway, I’d rather die fighting! I am Atreyu! Come for me Gmork!!”

[@DxModel219]

this scene is pretty deep listening as an adult

[@theobserver2674]

Nah. Princess doing rule34 is the best...

[@madmanga64]

Gmork, in the book revealed some terrifying truths “When it comes to controlling human beings there is no better intrument than lies. Because, you see, humans live by beliefs. And beliefs can be manipulated.”

[@nicka-trade8052]

That says alot about Marxist ideologies too not just religion and fascism.

[@LoneWolf-zh1iy]

@@nicka-trade8052 You forgot your precious scientific fantasy; evolution.

[@ayocasanova]

That's deep😮😮😮😮

[@batlokoasekhamane4813]

@@LoneWolf-zh1iy science and fantasy are opposites. Evolution is not a fantasy and although it’s hard to prove something that takes millions of years, the evolution of dogs from wolves is something to think about. Then again I wasn’t there to see the first and I won’t be there for those that come. In the end science is the hopeless battle of the finite against the infinite. The mechanism of translating our fantasies into reality. It’s why I’m able to communicate with you now, wherever you are in the world. Let us honor the scientists because they have made reality of fantasy.

[@kurtlangberg5886]

@@LoneWolf-zh1iy Spoken like a person who believes as literal fact a certain creation story in which the sun is unnecessary for daylight to happen on Earth, the atmosphere was created by separating the waters of earth from the waters of outer space, the sun, moon, and stars are just light fixtures embedded in the water proof firmament barrier keeping the waters of space from flooding the earth (like they did in the Noah myth), and all plant and animal species magically popped into existence as they are now at a time when all the water on earth was supposedly gathered into one place and was the seas (ie salt water, which many plant and animal species would go extinct if they had to subsist on it). All because a human-looking God with a human personality and human ways of thinking about culturally specific norms and taboos (almost as if he were the culturally specific product of human imagination) sat around talking and moving his spirit. Like a wizard. Genesis chapter 1, the whole chapter. Yes that creation MYTH isn’t used to manipulate anyone at all and is SOOOOO much more realistic than the observation that mutations in an organism’s DNA could lead to heritable changes in its offspring (evolution).

[@chasehanvold1955]

I used to watch this in my grandmas basement before I was able to understand what was going on. 20 years later and this scene hit me harder than it ever could have back then

[@lorenzodiambra5210]

this movie sucks more than little panda fighter, but they put an important sentence in this film! (they warned us about the dangers of capitalism)(capitalism sцςкs)

[@yungstaauber81]

Im with all of you on this movie,I am 40 and this was my favorite movie as a kid next to Ghostbusters and Superman. I watched it again as an adult and realized how heavy and deep this movie really was, especially the ending scenes where the empress tells atreyu that the human child was with him the whole time just there others along with the boy when getting bullied and ran into the bookstore!! Oh and the child actress who plays the empress begging the boy to call her name and do what he always dreamed, oscar winning performance hands down!!!!

[@megabyte01]

I remember seeing this movie as a kid. If it's ending wasn't unambiguously optimistic, it probably would've broken me. Instead, I idolized Atraeu's boundless courage throughout the story. I'll never forget what he said when he faced oblivion at the edge of the world, when he challenged Gmorg: "If we're going to die, I'd rather die fighting! I am Atraeu!" (I didn't properly memorize the line...)

[@hyenaswine]

don't be so dramatic...

[@tracisr]

Is there some other spelling of Atreyu that I missed somewhere?

[@wetsockz3001]

@@hyenaswine ch#ke on a fat one

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@hyenaswine found the gmork alt

[@user-qe7bt9dz1l]

@@hyenaswine Don’t be such a buzzkill.

[@DafyddBrooks]

Its almost an existential crisis for Atreyu because Gmork knows the truth about what Fantasia really is and tries to take advantage of the situation. Atreyu has no idea that after all this time he's just an illusion, a dream that a human thought of that he wonders weather there is any meaning to his own existence. But Gmork is there to help erase that meaning and existence, even if it means the end to his own life. Something of which he laughs about and takes joy in. If he's going then everyone is going. Wolves have often also in fantasy and folklore been depicted as a warning fable to children and adults to to watch out for in the dark and unknown forests and lands, for they too prey on the weak. But really, Wolves are there to survive, but for Gmork has the mind of a human and is there for something else! Its more of a caution to be aware of Human predators who will either destroy your dreams and hopes or even worse..... destroy your life 😧 The freedom of Dreams and stories are there for a reason guys, never give it up! ✌

[@LordTelperion]

In the book it's revealed he's an agent of a human cabal looking to corrupt Mankind's shared psyche, our gestalt, to allow them to seize power in the real world.

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

Unfettered hope is no different than all-consuming despair. Both ultimately self-destruct.

[@LordTelperion]

@@DoremiFasolatido1979 The power of propaganda. Winning hearts and minds.

[@jasonpye4649]

Just curious, have you read the book? Because of course he has the mind of a human. We learn so much more in this particular scene inside the crumbling walls of spook City in the book. If the movie, during this scene, opens the door to comprehension and understanding, then the book during the same scene weighs a lot more, thus slams the door open and cracks the frame.

[@bloodnivel70]

There is a Tolkien quote about this very things but I can't find it right now

[@thundertsuki9608]

I am an adult, but I still have my childhood, I have my hopes and dreams. Fantasia will not die while I have my hopes

[@mewsterx3679]

Movies today for children will never ever be as good as this.

[@RicoRaynn]

This, Secret of Nimh, and Watership Down were all terrifying. They all hit different as you age.

[@Leightr]

When I was in a psych class in college the professor was talking about a study that had been done at the National Institute for Mental Health, "or NIMH, as some of you may remember it as" and there followed a chorus of gasps from the 200 seat lecture hall as many of us suddenly realized that a part of a terrifying story from our childhood was a real place.

[@tomboychick]

The movie adaptation of Watership Down was even more poignant when it came out, as at exactly the same time, there was an outbreak of myxomatosis. It's that fact that's always been stuck in my mum's head above anything else.

[@julianr3489]

Secret of Nimh, Watership Down, and Animal Farm, Classics of animation. Also the dark Crystal. Oppressive, bleak unreal worlds. What do kids have these days? The Troll world tour, sausage party and the emoji movie. I fear for the future....

[@RicoRaynn]

Forgot the Dark Crystal. That was some bleak stuff right there. Damn good, though.

[@ronhobyak9902]

@@julianr3489 Don't fear for the future ... There isn't one ... Only the "Nothing" enjoyed by AI.

[@dalewilson4329]

"... people who have no hope are easy to control, and whoever has the control had the power. " very poignant, especially nowadays. I look around and see many people losing hope

[@dougs7367]

Quite. It's easy to lose hope when you have so many people who choose guns over children and vote the like of Trump into positions of power.

[@michaelwills1926]

Easily Controlled 👆🏼

[@billywashere6965]

@@michaelwills1926 You beat me to it. He's probably also triple v@xxxed and extra b000sted.

[@billywashere6965]

@@michaelwills1926 Ha, you beat me to it. He probably also loaded up on the cl0T sh0ts too.

[@billywashere6965]

@@michaelwills1926 Ha, you beat me to it. He's also probably also a member of the clotty club.

[@kenshin391]

This was one of the best movies back in the day. A truly underrated Masterpiece.

[@Manz189]

Whats the title of the movie?

[@eja1258]

@@Manz189 Just in case you haven't found out yet, the name in The U.S. was 'The Neverending Story'. I think had British and German producers as well. There was a sequel but it's not as good as the first film imo.

[@guillermoolivaiii9550]

Wow, this scene is very powerful for a children's movie.

[@ariajohnson8107]

In the book, when Atreyu finds Gmork, he's actually chained down in an abandoned village. Gmork thought that, as a creature of darkness, he could find rest and refuge in a village of dark creatures. But he laments that even THEY were citizens of the world (called Fantastica in the book) and therefore had a pride to protect it. So they tricked Gmork and left him to be taken by the Nothing, or starve to death, whichever happened first. After Atreyu learns what he can from Gmork, Gmork ends up dying while laughing, because Atreyu told him who he was. Because even though Gmork failed.. so did Atreyu. Oh, and in the book? Artax can *talk.* And tells Atreyu to leave him to die in the Swamps of Sorrow. He just gives up and lets the swamp take him even as Atreyu begs him to keep trying.

[@CeruleanFilms]

I love the book, I read it once every year. One thing though: it is called “Phantasien” in the original German version, which translates directly as "Fantasia" by German naming conventions (same as how "Australien" is Australia). Ralph Mannheim has admitted that “Fantastica” was a mistake on his part.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

I felt that, both of them

[@joshblacker3512]

I must read the book now

[@soul2065]

So much is removed when books are made into movies, sometimes its not really even the same story...😢

[@reizak8966]

The book was so good that it ended up being bad for my mental health. 😂 It just hits different. Still love the movie for the nostalgia, but the book is fantastic.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Something about Gmork is just so damn scary, even as an adult. That introduction where his face emerges slowly from the darkness is very intimidating

[@acewmd.]

Probably because he not only wants to kill but is fully aware of what he’s doing and what it’s effects will be, he understands what’s happening to the world and he even tells the hero what’s going on, not because he expects him to fix it but because he doesn’t care about lying to something he’s going to kill anyway. He’s just decided what’s going to happen regardless and is going to follow through with his will even as the world collapses around him. He just doesn’t care about any of it, if you and him were falling very far he’d still just kill you before ever looking for a way to survive. It’s all he wants.

[@ButterfingerBB]

​@@acewmd. well said

[@acewmd.]

@@ButterfingerBB Thank you.

[@carlsonf]

I actually cried and ran to my mom the first time I saw this. It still gives me chills everytime I see it.

[@mydloSA]

​@@carlsonf these eyes are scary man, I'm scarred for life, I like werewolves tho

[@Psilocybin77]

"Return to Oz" is considered one of the most "terrifying" hildren's movies ever made, which was a deliberate attempt by the writer to explore fear and childhood. In the 1980s, a scientific test was released called, "The Fear Survey Schedule for Children"; and was used by psychiatrists to measure the phobias of young patients and provide treatment. There are five core tenets and 80 sub-categories of fears in the test, including fear of the dark, spiders, or getting lost . More than half of these childhood fears are represented in "Return to Oz". Children can be and should be exposed to scary and mature themes in film and literature as it allows them recognize and manage their fear responses. An important part of maturing, is facing ones fears. Film makers and writers from previous generations recognized this fact.

[@richardcranston5160]

That movie is dark and forgotten by most. It’s deep and as a kid scared the shit out of me. Still a timeless classic

[@yal100]

One of the greatest sci-fi/fantasy movie monologues ever! First time I watched this as a kid and saw that picture of Gmork on the wall...man what a scary moment

[@Pickle_Pee]

Damn this shit holds up. Like it's not even cheesy. Like he actually still looks and sounds menacing. And yea what he says hits different now.

[@retro8696]

I love how real he looks even his eyes look real.

[@Soldier4USA2005]

@@retro8696 Exactly. This movie terrified me and made me cry. Still does. Especially this scene. I knew exactly what was coming and was scared like a little kid all over again. That's powerful and shows how good this movie really is.

[@Steinmetal4]

The whole message of the books/movies... basically "do what you want, what gives you meaning, don't let your hopes and dreams just slip away with age"... or more even more simply "take life by the horns" is still something I'm learning in my mid thirties.

[@charliewillis261]

ahead of its time but still cheesy af

[@LamanKnight]

I'm reading the book for the first time, and thus far I've passed the part where the movie ends. So, I have read about this part. It plays out somewhat differently in the book, but both versions of this scene teach a chilling truth: - In the book, Gmork tells Atreyu that as a werewolf, he is able to cross between worlds, so he has seen the human world for himself, and he has seen how it works. Gmork explains to Atreyu that all residents of Fantastica who are swallowed by the Nothing (or who jump into it willingly) will continue to exist in the human world, but not in the same form that they had in Fantastica. According to Gmork, the former creatures of Fantastica turn into lies. For instance, spooks (monsters like vampires, witches, and ghosts) turn into lies of fear, and their presence causes humans to feel afraid of things that aren't real. Other people of Fantastica turn into lies and illusions that cause humans to believe harmful things about themselves, about others, and about the world in general. In the book version of the story, Gmork is teaching that humans will always imagine. But if we lose the ability to imagine deliberately, to engage in fantasy or dreams, then instead we will imagine involuntarily. And since using our imaginations won't be a deliberate choice, we won't acknowledge what is imaginary, as opposed to what is real. Thus, we will come to believe that ALL of what we think is real. And that's dangerous. The difference between a lie and a fantasy is that a lie is believed to be real, while a fantasy is known to be unreal, even if it is valuable. A world that suppresses fantasy becomes a world of lies. - In the movie, Gmork tells Atreyu that people who have no hopes or dreams are easy to control. He's all too right. A person who wants nothing, or who believes it is impossible to get what he wants, has no reason to fight for himself. And if one choice is just as miserable as another, he will have no reason to care if someone else imposes their own choices on him. This lack of hope won't completely eliminate the freedom of choice, but it does make you less likely to use it well. I've sometimes said that the ability to hope and the ability to imagine come from the same place, and that this is one of the reasons that a lot of adults become so much more miserable when they progress from childhood to adulthood. If they believe that imagination is childish, and they stop using their imaginations, then they stop practicing the ability to "see things not as they are, but as they may become." Envisioning and temporarily believing in things that aren't real, just because you enjoy it, is called fantasizing. But envisioning and believing in things that aren't real yet, because you want to make that vision come to pass in reality, is called hoping. So, Gmork is correct on this, too. People who don't try to imagine are unlikely to hope for a better world. Thus, they won't work towards a better world, or do things of their own initiative. People like this are easy to manipulate, and easy to control this way. OK. Enough with the bleakness. If you learn one thing from both versions of Gmork, I hope that it's this: Don't give up your imagination. Don't tell yourself that it is childish or silly to think of things that aren't real, or that creativity is ever a waste of time or effort. Your ability to imagine actually strengthens your ability to recognize real truth when you see it; and your ability to imagine is directly linked to your ability to hope. You'll become the best version of yourself if you nurture your desires to imagine and create. Yeah. (Well, Gmork, stay in your chains if you must; I will always fight against your masters who sent you.) ******* EDIT: I'm surprised to see that I've been getting replies to this comment. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Over time, I may not be able to respond to everyone, and I might not even get notified about replies in the future. Also, if I don't feel like I have a meaningful reply, I may just give your comments a Like. But whether I say anything in response or not, thank you for your consideration.

[@r4ym1n13]

Incredible insight thanks

[@derbyjames240]

Fascinating, I gotta read the book now.

[@ajwiebusch212]

Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@harveymcfearless3803]

Bro you just inspired me to read. Your very good with words and your points on both adaptations is so well put thank you for giving me a different perspective on this art piece of a scene.

[@megatronVS]

I really didn't imagine a serious political allegory from this story.

[@desertoutpost13]

I never would have believed this epic story was taking about the future, this story is happening now and the nothingness is real and winning

[@bf6159]

Watched this show as a kid in the 80's. Since then I make reference to The Nothing. Using such to discribe the useless BS too many focus on, while real matters of consequense go unaddressed, thus enabling the problematic to escilate. Very fitting today!

[@jon-marcyaden6265]

I love this scene. The screenwriter brilliantly places this encounter at the moment where all seems lost, so that the demon's willingness to instruct Atreyu and answer his questions will be justified. It doesn't come off simply as a typical villain monologue.

[@billywashere6965]

This! This was the one time where the villain explains his plot but not simply because of plot contrivance, but because of the circumstances. It's a very interesting exchange, and after I recently rewatched this film, I had to sit and think a lot about what I had just watched -- it evokes very different connotations when watching the film when you're older compared to when you're a kid.

[@saraross8396]

That's because it's not a villain monologue. In the original story Atreyu has lost both the Auryn and Falkor, and wound up in the Land of Ghosts. He wanders around a city, eventually finding Gmork who has been chained by a sorceress and left to die while the Nothing creeps closer. They have a conversation much the same as this one, with Gmork telling him the truth about Fantastica (name was changed to Fantasia in the film) albeit not the whole truth. He then dies but his jaws snap around Atreyu's leg, trapping him, with the Nothing having now fully encircled their location. Guided by the Gem Falkor finds them, and by luck it touches the werewolf's jaws, freeing our hero. If you've not read the book I highly recommend it. In some ways it's better than the movie, which I've loved since I first saw it.

[@RagingCajun985]

What’s the name of this movie please

[@jon-marcyaden6265]

@@RagingCajun985 This is a scene from The Neverending Story (1984).

[@jon-marcyaden6265]

@@saraross8396 Ah ha, very intriguing. I have always sensed that there was something else going on behind this encounter scene. Thank you for taking the time to post. I will read the book.

[@RelativelyBest]

While the movie is great, Gmork in the novel made a lot more sense, since he took the time to explain his motivations in detail, as well as how exactly the Nothing actually worked. Also, book Gmork was frankly even more terrifying than the movie version: The Neverending Story has probably the most unique and unsettling werewolf concept I've ever encountered.

[@sonnig8583]

What other motivations did gmork have for helping the nothing? Was he promised an empire? This scene always had a little confused because what was in it for gmork if the nothing would destroy everything including him?

[@jackhamilton9604]

How exactly is Gmork a Werewolf? Did he have a human form or is he based on Werewolves from early folklaw?

[@RelativelyBest]

@@jackhamilton9604 No, man, it's much weirder than that. When I said this is the most unique werewolf concept I've ever seen, I meant it. So, turns out werewolves are not literally people who turn into wolves. Rather, werewolves are these liminal beings who are able to exist in the real world and Fantasia simultaneously. But they don't actually belonging to either world, or _any_ world for that matter. They're from, like, the void between realms or something like that. Because of this, they're these intensely spiteful, jealous things who hate all living creatures who do have a place where they belong. In Fantasia, Gmork is a giant wolf, but in our world he has a human form. That's why he was trying to help the Nothing: He wasn't suicidal, once he'd ensured the destruction of Fantasia he was planning to jump over to our side, gain as much power over humans as possible, and use it to screw us over as well. When Atreyu asked why he would do this, Gmork just said something along the lines of: "Because you had a world, and I never did."

[@RelativelyBest]

@@sonnig8583 See my previous reply, but yeah, in the movie his motivations seemed to make no sense because they skipped over the, like, two pages he spends monologuing about it.

[@sonnig8583]

@@RelativelyBest thanks this sounds interesting! It makes me want to read the book now

[@edredwhittingham4417]

I watched this movie for the first time at 23 and it had an intense spiritual effect on me, very difficult to describe or explain. It was the most other-worldly waking experience I had ever had.

[@wordofmouth7679]

Fantasy is such a powerful vehicle for conveying truths extant in reality and teaching. The swamps of sadness are the mental health issues so prevalent in this post-pandemic world, Morla is someone who is content to give up and just exist and is ruled by apathy, fittingly allergic to someone willing to take action on their dreams. Gmork can be likened to anything able to challenge you with all of your being - bullies, bills, heartache, you name it. And the nothing can be likened to terminal illness, the seemingly impossible struggle to become well, or lost loved one where the choice to live is harder than simply thinking about the pain. But there are friends and companions who help along the way. Who lift us up, to let us know that we are not alone, to support us, even when we feel alone and helpless. Shared struggle, and the strength we never knew we had within us all along to face the challenges in life that are inevitable and come out a new person. Wherever you are, dare to dream and chase that dream.

[@kmoecub]

The great thing about movies and television that are written for both children and adults is that there are parts that children won't even notice until they are adults, and that adults won't understand unless their inner-child is still alive.

[@Rob7274]

More so in the 80s and 90s

[@fionewatson4931]

That was a beautiful comment: talk about hanging onto hope by a thread. ^ ^

[@hamishreid8791]

And that's a sign of great writing, when a movie keeps on giving. Matrix is like that, and I never bore of watching the trilogy. Always something new to experience.

[@guesswho1047]

Your inner-child can die?

[@crossstitchmatches]

I always saw the Nothing as the result of people not reading. The boundless imagination present in books is what keeps people wise enough to keep themselves free of absolute control. The whole of our hopes, dreams, and imagination were being lost by nobody reading anymore.

[@KnightsAndDarths]

"They require a little effort on your part and make no b-b-b-b-beeps." ❤

[@hariman7727]

Not simply people not reading, but people giving up on their hopes and dreams, while giving in to despair. What makes it especially bad is that there's some people in politics and activism who sell despair and peddle false hope, all in the name of gaining power.

[@forthehonorforge4840]

Reading? Really? Reading is often a way that imagination is controlled and given form by someone else. Same for story hearing and seeing. Reading is consuming, binding, but also potentially defining or revealing in a positive way. Now storytelling and sharing, now that is where imagination is alive and productive.

[@gamerstheater1187]

if that was the case then the nothing would never happen as reading is still common part of our everyday life. Plus, movies, video games, and other things also gibe boundless imagination

[@ArtificialMayo]

​@@forthehonorforge4840 you haven't read enough. You don't know what it is. Reading is one of the most beautiful things you can give your imagination.

[@JoeS.-zc9tu]

This was by far the best childhood movie. My brother and sisters have watched this movie over and over and it never gets old. Timeless.

[@learnBudgetAndSave]

This scene always keeps me intrigued ❤

[@darthmadeus]

The scenes with Gmork filled me with true terror as a kid. Even as an adult, that terror is still there in the back of my head. Such a great villian

[@josiahklein70]

Same here. I remember being glued to the screen, terrified.

[@Fiorwestcoast]

The reason why is because they gave you very little. Your imagination did the rest.

[@SlimeBlueMS]

The real reason its so horrific is because everything it says is literally happening in real life. As people grow older, they lose their hopes and dreams. They become part of the nothing that snuffs out fantasia

[@nickymarch2914]

I feel the same exact way. The way his eyes would widen especially right before he tried to attack was absolutely terrifying to me…and seeing that face again now resurfaced that fear

[@NorthernShark89]

​@@Fiorwestcoast Yes. Steven Spielberg did the same with JAWS. As in you just have the camera looking at a swimmers legs underwater and not the shark so your imagination fills in the blanks.

[@latinassassin1667]

As an adult the meaning becomes so much greater. The boy (bastian ) was going through depression after losing his mother. The power of hope is in our dreams/fantasies. Meaning never lose hope.

[@adamn7516]

Bastian, not Sabastian. 🙂

[@theoneandonlymsg991]

Never give up on your dreams. A fantastic song done by "Two steps from hell" as well.

[@Theomite]

Bastion's dad was still a prick though.

[@TheCharleseye]

@@Theomite He lost his wife and had no idea how to be vulnerable with his son.

[@Theomite]

@@TheCharleseye I know, but he still told Bastion to buck up and not feel sad anymore, just go to work like he did. It would've been better to say nothing at all. So I still say "fuck him."

[@AlejandroVargas-cx7gk]

I've never seen this movie, but every now and then I find new scenes I haven't watched before like this one. For me, this is truly a NeverEnding Story.

[@boxbino]

I hadn't seen this scene since I was a child, and the thumbnail of the video almost gave me a heart attack! The same exact terror reemerged as if it has always been there this whole time lurking in the shadows

[@AzraelElysium]

The most amazing dialogue in children's movies...and the scariest animatronic of all time. I've made the mistake of watching this with lights out, only to find out that, as an adult, Gmork still give me the chills.

[@reizak8966]

I have a wolf puppet that looks identical to him. Had him since I was a kid. I keep him in the closet. 😅 (still love him though)

[@BollywoodBonanzaB]

Honestly I am ashamed to be a Millenial who hasn't seen this, but is so influenced by Gen Z culture that, on mute, my first thought was, "Freddie Fazbear?" 🤦‍♀️😢

[@polfig7558]

Mom took me to see this in the cinema... I was about six.

[@LiveWorkWander]

I had countless sleepless nights as a kid and into my late teenage years due to this damn scene.

[@fenrirdarkfangs]

Same!!

[@HenhousetheRed]

It's far creepier and more relevant in the book. The Nothing is what's left behind in the fictional world when humanity loses interest in dreams, fantasy, and imagination. It hurts to look at, because the closest you can come to "understanding" it would be by being blind. A roiling storm, a big hole, even pure pitch blackness would be something. The Nothing is a complete absence of anything. It can't be comprehended. Fantasians are driven mad by its presence, are drained of their "realness," and made to cast themselves into it by a hypnotic drive to meet an oblivion that doesn't ultimately come. Towards the end, Atreyu's body literally starts moving on its own, against his will, to cast himself into it. The Nothing is also tied to the real world. G'mork tells Atreyu entering into the Nothing is actually the only way a creature of Fantasia can be transported into the real world. Because any Fantasian consumed by the Nothing doesn't die, they become a "lie" in the mind of humans. The "Manipulators" that G'mork serves are the shadowy, true antagonists of the story, intent on destroying Fantasia to flood the human world with lies. *Because lies allow for the easy control of people.* Sounds eerily familiar.

[@andrewbailey7045]

Oy vey, cool it with the antisemitism

[@lawrencium2626]

Like bigots holding up St George as an excuse to hate on minorities whose religion they despise and want to see purged; kind of ironic given the story of George. They believe in the lie, they embrace the nothing.

[@rocketman3285]

woah, movies not copying books word for word? who knew.......

[@nomadman5288]

The Nothing sounds a lot like passive Nihilism.

[@lawrencium2626]

@@nomadman5288 putting it like that, you take all the sting out of it, and turn G'mork into a spoiled brat who has just recently turned cynical atheist

[@oliverlozanomentor]

One of the best German books ever written. I read it as a 19 year old and when I finished I read it again because I couldn’t belobe it’s over. I read it again last year with 43 and still love it so much. It’s the blueprint for ready player one but instead of an artificial designed world by computers, it’s created by the common phantasy of all human kind. Exceptional!

[@seancrowley3142]

This was one of my favorite movies growing up. And yes, this was excellent dialogue, extremely profound. “People who have no hopes are easy to control…”

[@jacknecron123]

The Nothing (and force behind it) is a metaphor for what happens with age. Part of you dies when you grow up into an adult; you lose that imagination you once had that kept you entertained for hours. Many struggle to keep that and others just outright forget it, saying they're "too old" as they become lost in the business of their adult life.

[@MaryDunford]

Speak for yourself. I'm never growing up. Lol 😁

[@lmeza1983]

Is not that adults are boring or forgot how to imagine things but the moment when you realize you cannot afford to be the person you were supposed to be in your imagination when you were young. Reality is cruel and difficult you can't survive thinking like a kid.

[@jacknecron123]

@Mary C. Dunford Hell I'm an artist and writer I never lost my imagination lol. But I know people that gave up such things they once enjoyed. Or some hobbies they feel like they can't because they're "not a kid anymore."

[@jacknecron123]

@Luis Fernando That's true. But there are many people who lose that spark completely. They feel like being an adult means casting off everything related to childhood. I mean take reading books for example; sure I know some that do but a lot more would rather zone out on Facebook.

[@hamishreid8791]

Well written indeed!

[@charlesbaxley1572]

I'm 43 years old and this is still one of my favorite movies. Got my wife and child to watch it and they can't understand why. This scene explains everything.

[@veritas2782]

I'm 45 and this IS my all time favorite movie. Brings back so many memories and was truly a wonder the first time I saw it. And lets not forget the amazing performance of Tami Stronach. When she tells Bastian about the people with him in the book store when he took the book, realizing as a kid she was talking about me gave me chills and freaked me out. Still kinda does that. Shattered that fourth wall. Then when she looks into the camera crying at the end, screaming for Bastian to save her.... wow.

[@cactusfacemcgillicuddy]

You should abandon your wife and kid, they're lost to the Nothing it's too late for them

[@ImWithTeamTrinity]

The movie has secret meanings hidden within. Even the opening scene has real magic.

[@jessewallace12able]

43 here as well!

[@strafer8764]

I have not seen this movie in over 30 years. The most memorable scene for me was the statues that shot lasers. That was such a cool idea.

[@misterlau5246]

It's so nice to remember! I was fascinated by the fx and the creatures! I did understand the Gnork words back then, I don't think it was different for me listening to it again, I didn't remember the exact dialogs but the idea did come to my mind about that you said, as an adult it gets more profound implications than a kid 🖖

[@gunengineering1338]

People with no hope are the hardest to control. They're the ones who don't mind taking you down with them.

[@casthedemon]

I love how this movie doesn't shy away from themes of death and nihilism.

[@em3sis]

It's better to teach children what they are early so they can understand and avoid them. If you don't they could one day find themselves already sunk in the quicksand so-to-speak.

[@casthedemon]

@@em3sis @em3sis Oh no, this movie definitely contributed to my turn towards nihilism as an adult lmao. It was severely scarring and gave me existential dread at the age of like 9. I love this movie.

[@em3sis]

@@casthedemon well then you didnt understand the point of the movie.

[@casthedemon]

@@em3sis and pray tell, what is that lmao?

[@ferrik1675]

@@casthedemon The entire point of the movie is to pursue your dreams and to not let the burning desire of that pursuit to die out. The depictions of nihilism and destruction are specifically a warning about the consequences of those dreams being forgotten. So, yes, it’s rather accurate to say that the movie “contributing” to your turn towards nihilism is a sign of you missing the point, either out of some ignorance or because of the rather popular “nihilism is cool” mentality that’s poisoned a lot of people nowadays.

[@bobdobalina8910]

A scene far, FAR ahead of it's time.

[@SylenceEturnal]

No, a very, very old scene and concept. Ancient, even. Hits home no matter when you watch it (back in the 80s, the 90s, 2000s, now) because it is a concept that is always relevant, always has been and always will be. Not to take away from this scene and movie, though. It was very well done.

[@TheCharleseye]

A concept that plays on a loop, throughout time. The corrupt and powerful will always try to break the will of the people, for the sake of easier control.

[@gabagoolovahere5869]

@@SylenceEturnal so yes it is ahead of its time lol

[@cpltrickie]

So true, it's also the first "come at me bro" moment, I can remember.

[@billywashere6965]

@@cpltrickie This was the first time in any movie where the villain explains his plan first and then talks about how he was going to yeet the hero, and the hero -- upon discovering who the villain is trying to yeet -- was like "Yeah, well I'm going to yeet you too!" and they had no qualms about yeeting each other right then and there with zero hesitation. I can't remember the last time we had an encounter like that where they didn't have multiple run-ins beforehand where the hero or the villain runs away.

[@rqoweuyqp]

At 42 years of age, I still remember every line of this movie and it will remain my favorite.

[@0That_Guy0]

I've been reminded about this movie several times for the last couple of years, and here I get a scene popping up. Think it's almost 20 years since I saw it, and guess it's time to see it again soon, because as I kid I didn't understand much of it at all.

[@deadbrother5355]

When I was a kid, after watching this movie I felt like I could run forever and never die. Now it breaks my heart because the nothing is everywhere, and hopes and dreams have been replaced by narcissism and nihilism.

[@chrisweinke95]

I agree

[@Wahinies]

That gets me right in the feels

[@proveritate1205]

That's not true. People still have hopes and optimism. I don't know what kind of life people like you who say this kind of things have, but it's not the same than everyone else.

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

@@proveritate1205you are correct, and it's best not to dwell in these topics or engage with these willfully depressed people, because misery loves company and they will rather drag you down than try to assist as you lift them up. nihilism is just advanced depression that's stopped trying to fix itself. The dudes username who you replied to is proof of that. People stuck in dark thought patterns really, you can't worry about saving those who are determined to stay down and engaging in dialogue with them won't fix their outlook they'll just find a dozen other ways to put negative thoughts in your head. It's their battle, and doesn't mean it has to be your truth.

[@bruceleeds7988]

That's not true, The power of hopes and dreams is stronger in children than in adults. We must allow children the desires to explore all the possibiities of their future, before they are weighed down by the realities of the adulthood they choose. I could get political from hear but I don't wanna offend anyone, but if you read between the lines... You know what I'm saying.

[@ishmael9356]

Gmork is probably the most frightening villain I've ever seen in movie history. From just a few scenes of him chasing and just a few descriptions of what the audience knows about him. Not seeing him for awhile until the end where the camera pans to a painting of a scary looking face in the dark. Only to realize he was there waiting. It felt inevitable when he appeared, and that while he may be forgotten for just a bit Gmork will just appear out of nowhere like a ghost. Omg just love it 👏 Edit: Over 700 likes, thx guys. It's nice to know that many like what I posted and agreed.

[@willcooper8028]

Yes! And I love how he knew Atreyus was in his lair way before he did (or even way before the audience did), he was just sitting there watching Atreyus meander toward him

[@jerkfudgewater147]

You should watch Wolf Creek, not only is it a true story… but it happened 3 separate times They caught the villain, then someone else did it… then they caught those folks… then it happened again

[@johngalt1027]

This was the first movie i watched over and over again as a child. It made my mind come online and was the beginning of the mind I am today. I play it for children with the hope to spark that flame as well.

[@718Hustle]

Thank you for the nostalgia

[@drVainMD]

As a kid, this scene freaked me the EFF out! Like paralyzing fear, couldn't move--freaked out! This is probably the first time I have seen it in some 30+ years... apparently I haven't changed much. lol Still gave me cold chills, goosebumps on my arms, hair on the back of my neck stands up and whole body tension and anxiety unlike any other. The only difference is my Apple Watch tells me my heart rate severely jumped! And somehow, listening to his insanely prescient readout of today has made him 100 times more terrifying! Stupid 80s animatronic puppet--I'm not going to be able to sleep for weeks now!

[@minimobilereview6570]

I feel every word you just said, its midnight rn here in uk and I just watched this after some 30 plus years too im not going to sleep and im turning all the lights on

[@user-ee2vt7yi3m]

I feel like there's a lot of people that would disagree with each other about who gmork represents (blaming each other), but would agree that people like that definitely exist I'm not gonna sing kumbaya around a campfire, but I feel like there's gotta be another way

[@codyschroeder9252]

Same. Actually it gave me nightmares

[@drVainMD]

@@user-ee2vt7yi3m I agree 1000% with you on this! And I was watching it, and being that I was all but catatonic and the only thing working was my mind, I had a very similar thought. That there has to be a better way. Something that we are somehow missing which can offer, paradoxically, both an existence worth getting excited over, as well as the will with which to fight for it.

[@mega64219]

Welcome to the real world neo 😎

[@Mystyx-Sama]

This scared me as a kid cause of the amazing puppeteer work, and it scares me more as an adult who realizes the true horror behind what Gmork is actually saying How very relevant indeed

[@Matthew-Anthony]

What is Gmork actually saying anyway?

[@mangomariel]

@@Matthew-Anthony Didn`t you watch the scene? he is saying that people who stop using their imagination and lose their hope, become depressed and are thus easy to control. It is a metaphor for how certain control systems in the real world are manipulating us. For example some extreme idiological movements, celebrities, corporations, media, the wealth inequality creating slave workers for the rich. It`s also extra relevant now because social media, mobiles and instant gratification, makes us more pressured to follow trends, think a certain way, compare ourselves to others. It makes us numb, and less imaginative, and the nothing grows. Depression is actually raising in many groups. This scene and message is a bit similar to matrix (1998) and more so The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus (2009)

[@mats1975]

How very true !!

[@Matthew-Anthony]

@@mangomarielAre you serious?

[@mangomariel]

@@Matthew-Anthony yes?

[@redpapa859]

The time before CGI will always be better because it doesn't degrade

[@jwalster9412]

Seeing this for the first time in my life has really opened a new light. Very very clever script writing and people behind this movie.

[@davidvondoom2853]

"Who are you, really?" A keen observation, from Atreyu, and a question we must all ask ourselves. Who is the enemy of humanity, it's hopes, dreams and freedoms? Who stands to gain from the subjugation and demoralization of the people, to make them easy prey for exploitation? Who seeks to exercise their control and power over all things by stealing it away from others? This scene is an excellent warning to stay vigilant against those who would serve "The Nothing".

[@kingnothing2161]

Happens to remind me of a quote from someone, sorry to get theological if that's not where you wanted this to go: "The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing people he didn't exist" I havent seen this movie or read the book, just came across this clip and then your comment. If people believe there is no God, and there's no Satan, that there's nothing beyond our single life on planet, maybe the nihilism and despair is what "the nothing" is..

[@scottmatheson3346]

​@@kingnothing2161 lol. "I don't know anything to contribute on this subject but I thought I'd share some hateful speculations about my enemies, hope you don't mind."

[@kingnothing2161]

@@scottmatheson3346 how exactly was I hateful? When did I mention "enemies"? It seems you're the one speculating.

[@horizonblack]

Watching Labyrinth as an adult is completely different as well. "Oh... it's about navigating the maze of maturity..."

[@briandavid3637]

I need you hoggle, well than why didn't you say so 👍

[@juliapigworthy]

Hence that codpiece.. confronting Sarah with a mixture of fear and fascination lol.

[@horizonblack]

@@juliapigworthy Ha! Yeah

[@clmoore0425]

Never thought about it that way 🤯

[@mollycblaeser]

There's a comedy video here on KZbin discussing how Labyrinth is all about David Bowie's dick 🤣

[@runnymedeworks6326]

I remember friends telling me about the time they were at a public pool in the Japan and they were playing the sountrack to the Neverending Story over the PA. Really good, hope-filled hope is always the way that shows us that the fact we exist is the most wonderful dream we live in. Thanks for sharing

[@maocharlisme]

Amazing and important storytelling in the writing and the cinematography indeed! I want to watch this film now!

[@Michael_black777]

The nothing is so strong that some people don't even smile when something good happens.

[@edengaming5021]

So, its literally my depression?

[@Veldazandtea]

@@edengaming5021 You have nothing to fear but your own weakness and inability.

[@mercebarbolla2799]

The Little Prince is another book with a complete different meaning when you read it as an adult. And yet is absolutely wonderful.

[@matthewjohnson6886]

Good point I remember watching this movie dozens of times as a kid but haven't seen it for decades. As an adult and parent it's truly terrifying. I'd forgotten that this scene exists. The you for the reminder genuinely appreciated 👍

[@clinerandalee3789]

I watched this movie with my daughter so many times. One of our favorites.

[@thomasdjonesn]

"If we're going to die, I'd rather die fighting! Come for me, G'mork, I am Atreyu!" Probably the best thing I could have heard in a theater at the age of seven, I've carried it with me from that day to this. Someday, I will lose. But not today. I had no real idea how deep an affect this had on me until seeing this again. There is a well of strength and inspiration in this sense memory. Even if I've never forgotten what I've fought for, even if my successes aren't obvious in the world around me, I will always fight the Nothing. It's nice to be told others did feel like I do, even told me why it was worth protecting through the stories they told. That I was not the first, and I will not be the last. Thank you.

[@GeorgiaGeorgette]

I love your comment so much I wish I could frame it.

[@jimcarroll1743]

Well written.. feel that exact way seen it in the theater and I'm 44 , helped instill a fighting spirit . NOW COME FOR ME GMORK!!

[@SalveRegina8]

A to the MEN!

[@wilhelminamagdalenakapatow3213]

👏🏽

[@StyleshStorm]

"someday I will lose. But not today." Powerful stuff.

[@cBodhi]

i'm 41 and watched this movie dozens of times as a child. i recently watched it and holy hell did it do a great job of making a movie appealing to children while still oozing of all the most esoteric topics the adept will encounter throughout life. how amazing

[@MdSalauddin-je2cd]

What is the name of this movie Please

[@axidrain]

@@MdSalauddin-je2cd the never ending story

[@thomasbrandt8905]

I watched this movie on home VHS in 1985 and remember how scary it was! Now looking back on the dialogue between Gmork and Atreyu, how prolific does their words stand out today! Insane!