This solves the Raspberry Pi’s BIGGEST problem - Pineboards POE+

[@JeffGeerling]

With the CM5, you can already buy carrier boards that fit in the same Pi 5 form factor, but slap an M.2 slot right on the bottom! Really wish it were built into the Pi, though the FFC connection does have some limited uses that make it better (in very rare circumstances) than an M.2 slot.

[@rem_0]

Ayyy the man himself! Gotta appreciate your contribution to pi community ❤

[@BaileyMagikz]

of course jeff is here

[@chaosfenix]

I almost wonder if that shouldn't just be the default then. If it is the same cost then why not? I mean a cool way to think about it would be that you would buy your Compute Module and a carrier board by default. Some carrier boards would be POE and some would be USB C. I know you can do this now but CM5 feels somewhat niche compared to their model B boards.

[@JeffGeerling]

@@BaileyMagikz "Pi" in a title is like the bat signal lol

[@vincentsama]

A wild Geerling appears!

[@mm8436]

When I heard Raspberry Pi, I immediately thought of Jeff.

[@JeffGeerling]

Heh.

[@tahmidrzishan]

Jeff is the guy of Pi 👍❤️

[@morillaz_]

Jake is absolutely rocking that Logan Paul in the forbidden forest hairstyle

[@natebell5026]

Bruh 😂

[@Peak_Stone]

you win

[@reggiep75]

It just needs a 120mm fan gently breezing the air to breeze his hair.

[@NeophyteAnderson]

Don’t disrespect Jake like that..

[@ThePuggoMC]

I have a physics 2 exam in 12 minutes... i won't be able to finish the video :'(

[@thiccorito8792]

good luck

[@Firewolf-9389]

Good luck!! What grade/year are you in? Or uni?

[@Sacrachan]

Good luck!!

[@TAP7a]

Enjoy. Remember to draw free-body diagrams before diving into mathematics.

[@ShortCircuit]

Good luck! - Bell

[@Sizukun1]

I think it'd be interesting to drag-race a Pi against a modern miniPC, and some used 'office boxes' under $50. Price, power, ease of setup, and hide-ability for all of them. That tiny Pico PC Linus showed a few months ago was neat, but kinda pricey for its performance.

[@backgammonbacon]

If you are using a Pi as a PC you are using it wrong, controlling sensors and machines using its GPIO pins for use cases that need more processing power than a microcontroller is what the Pi is for. If you need a PC buy a PC.

[@renderedpixels4300]

The pi would get smoked by anything that uses ddr3, itll get murdered by anything using ddr4. The ONLY categories it wins are size and power. Its harder to set up, more expensive (once you have a ssd, power supply, case, pi 5 8gb, etc than even an 8th gen i5 system off ebay). Like its not even a competiton. And as someone else said, these things really should never be used as a pc.

[@coneh2]

i think one of the newer celeron intel ships its going to obliterate the pi

[@AlexandreDevilliers]

Dave from dave's garage did that 4 months ago. The Pi is not good for raw speed, but as other pointed out, that's not what they are for. They are low power very smart controllers. I use 2 RPI4, one as KVM for my home server and the second as an emulator "console". For the second use case I should have gone the mini PC route.

[@WhiteG60]

@@renderedpixels4300 Explaining Computers did a drag race between a Pi5 and an N100 miniPC. It was reasonably close in day to day usage. In things that used a GPU, the N100 kicked the Pi's ass, but in general CPU tasks it was roughly the same ballpark on most tasks.

[@Freedbot]

This is my problem with the Pie. Sure it's super cheap on it's own, but it's so minimal that you are highly likely to need HATs and/or a case. Due to the popularity of Pie's, your options for addons are either sold out, or the combined total price is considerably higher than the sort of mini-PC that Pie's are marketed to be cheaper than.

[@lordcheeto]

And add on boards close off the ability to use cases designed for the SBC alone, unless they're acrylic enclosures with little consideration for form or function beyond protecting the stack.

[@lopwidth7343]

They make no sense with a shitty sdcard other than a set and forget read only application. Adding real storage and whatever, you're already wanting more than what a pie was intended for it seems and are better off with any other x86 mini pc

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

The alternatives that actually offer more than the Pi are usually more expensive than a Pi + HAT

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@lopwidth7343 It's just that if you need extra hardware on the Pi, you're an extremely demanding user. You're one of that 1 percent. the other 99 has an SBC that suits them perfectly. Do not forget RPis are not meant for industrial use, although they could be if they were tested and cherry picked for robustness.

[@88guernica]

If LTT is covering something with POE+ you know it was something they bought for use at the LTT badminton court and they wanted to recoup a bit of the cash.

[@ewenchan1239]

"RPi6 should have POE and a M.2 slot." Yes! ABSOLUTELY agree, especially given the price.

[@Sithhy]

The Pi500 has a spot for an M.2 drive but it has no data traces, so maybe we will see that as an option on the Pi600

[@IntenseGrid]

@@Sithhy I was going to mention the 500. Since it was styled after an Amiga, can we get a 500plus with 16GB and M.2 NVME slot and POE?

[@ghajik.]

and it shouldn't use the stupid 5V 5A which doesn't get supplied by normal power adapters.

[@ushabuntu]

and full size HDMI

[@HooKedOne]

Yall funny. That Pi 5 already has POE lol thats how its working. that hat just means it can use POE

[@c1ph3rpunk]

How many SD cards have died? Yes. Even the “high endurance” ones, kicking things to read only as much as possible, sending logs to a RAM disk and all of those hacks, they still die on me. It’s noticeably worse with sudden power loss and yes, a UPS can mitigate that, but why should I need a UPS in a dozen spots in the house for every Pi. I am so over the Pi. ESP32 for sensors or small form factor PC, I can get a BeeLink N100 for $159, not much more than a Pi.

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

Even 8266 is more than enough for sensors.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

@ true, for me I know the ESP-WROOM32-E-N8 SMD pinout and how to design around it so well I just stick with it.

[@ProjectDefi]

jeff is a boss. i love when creators shout out to others

[@ChiccyNuggie]

Get absolutely loved and treasured you man with Pi’s

[@SanderMakes]

RPi's biggest problem is that you can't get them for a reasonable price anymore

[@BusAlexey]

Yes you can, the shortage is over long time ago

[@je8277]

40-50 for pi 3,4,5. Zero is 20 or less

[@pelmeshker]

@@je8277 70 euro for pi5\4gb is a big no no

[@Genesis8934]

10:41 Now I wanna see Jake play with a few Blade Pi boards (which hopefully it can be used with a CM5 now)! lol

[@puerlatinophilus3037]

Simpler solution: USB to NVMe adapter. You can even get powered SATA adapters for 3.5'' HDDs. Used it for >1 year on 2 separate PIs without issues.

[@FlorianFahrenberger]

This is the first good reason I have seen to get a Pi 5. Otherwise, my 4s and even 3Bs basically do anything I would actually use a Pi for. But this really expands the possibility of applications.

[@cgraham6]

If you're not absolutely sold on the Raspberry Pi, there are plenty of other SBCs that feature built-in M.2 slots. The POE seems to be unique to the Pi, though.

[@uss-dh7909]

Honestly I was surprised and a little disappointed that these weren't natively PoE back whenever I got my 4b.

[@____________________________.x]

Solving problems I didn’t know I had! 🤷‍♂️

[@FlameMage2]

I'm glad Jake is a normal dude, need more of those in this world.

[@LunarLambda]

Still running a ZFS based NAS with various containerized apps on the CM3588 NAS kit y'all showed off at one point. It's a quirky little board in terms of kernel support but at 1.8 GB/s sequential throughput it has enough juice to saturate the 2.5 Gb ethernet port it has. Has easily solved all the tiny-server needs of our household

[@Wo0dY101]

This is awesome! Jake really likes this stuff, would love to see him do more content like this. That and I'm also into Rpi and would love to learn more :D

[@Qbert2030]

The 48 port super expensive switch was hilarious when you placed in next to the pi, love jake videos

[@Jeza921]

This Pineboards POE+ solution could be a game-changer for users running multiple Raspberry Pi units in a setup, making their deployments more streamlined and reliable.

[@avenged110]

For some reason, I didn't realize until somewhat recently that PoE HATs were a thing, so I basically did this with my 3x 3Bs, but the poorly-planned version. Got a cheap (~$15) PoE HAT for each, crammed them into my zero-ventilation metal cases, found the then-cheapest SATA SSD on Amazon (~$14), stuck each into a $10 case, and double-back taped the whole stack together. It's uncomfortably hot to the touch in the summer, but fine as far as computer temperatures go. Getting the SSD and PoE onto a single board is way cooler, though.

[@briangoldrich1860]

Impressive for one so young to have so much wisdom pertaining to the field he so enjoys. Let him cook! Well done sir.

[@RaverDK]

I just like to see Jake nerd out over stuff... Im here for it.

[@MikeHarris1984]

Finally? The poe+ with m.2 for a long time. Pi4 had them and pi5 had them pretty much right at launch.

[@Col_Crunch]

9:44 its not much better than "mibibyte" but MiB is actually a mebibyte

[@travisbarnes7847]

I know a thing or two about those high endurance cards. There's a company that shipped a product with cheap non high endurance microSDs as the primary storage for a touchscreen control module that used PoE. The failure rate with those was so high that they ended up shipping the service companies hundreds of replacement high endurance SDs with an open warranty claim to replace them when they failed.

[@andersonimes1892]

Everytime I see the precision toolset in a video, I look on the website to discover.. yep.. still sold out.

[@andersonimes1892]

You guys obviously saw my comment and acted with haste to solve this complaint for me. I appreciate how much you care about me, specifically, and making me happy. I will not abuse this power.

[@AzureFan1]

I do want another episode of why Jake rationalizes having a cluster of rPi's. I'm familiar with them, but not clustered together!

[@DG8RS]

Haven't played with a Pi since Pi3. This M.2 hat may just get me back into the game. These things are so damn versatile.

[@pattersonlax48]

Back in 2011, I bought a Macbook Pro for around $1500. This Raspberry Pi 5 has similar specs, and double the cores. I love Pi!

[@RussellBaker]

Earlier models run fine with a POE to USB adaptor, have a Pi3 with a fully populated Cluster hat that's been running fine for ages, also a PI3 running Pi-Hole.

[@kyoko703]

I just dug up my old BeagleBone Black from the back of the closet and booted it up and installed Debian 12.4 on it. It's a little slow but it still runs!!! :D

[@LinusBerglund]

Wonderful! I will try to arrange this for bassoon. It is not going to be as elegant, but it might work

[@JEdwardsbret]

In order to get an OS, I just used a portable NVMe drive cage and connected it to my laptop and I just wrote the ubuntu 24.04 server image directly to the NVMe drive using the raspberry pi imager. You could also just do a dd of an image directly to the drive as well from linux. It's good to know there's a firmware loader there. Also, it's worth pointing out that you can just pxe boot if you don't have any OS loaded because there is a boot order and timeouts now. So, eventually it'll pick up PXE and you can just install via pxe directly to the drive, if you wanted to go that route.

[@rrfarmer2000]

This is the content I want! Would love to see him getting into ESP32 stuff!

[@mensaswede4028]

After the Raspberry Pi 3’s shortages, I always thought that supply was its biggest problem. My company spent hundreds of thousands of dollars designing a new piece of hardware, only to have to scrap the whole thing because these silly folks had no way to make enough Raspberry Pi 3 compute modules.

[@merlin_XY]

I like the idea of the raspberry pi's on principle. In the old days people could use an apple II and DIY cards to do electronics on. The raspberry pi makes the process easier.

[@Uufda651]

Oooh are the precision driver + bits + case kits back in stock? Yessss *fist pump*

[@hfric]

Would be nice to see a video from you about SD TBW ... a thing that none will talk about in the open

[@metacob]

I've had a lot of RPis all the way from the first one. The Pi 4 felt like a solid upgrade, but the Pi 5 combined with an SSD feels like something completely different.

[@o0shad0oo]

Don't use a PoE hat. Use a PoE splitter instead. Keeps the Pi running cooler and is less expensive.

[@oires]

9:53 I don't know... I wouldn't touch a 48v Poe transformer... The switching frequency could be over the pain threshold so that's why he didn't feel anything.

[@LegGiant]

Ah I wondered what the large lump sticking out the top was.

[@daltonmckee4788]

[@oires]

@@daltonmckee4788 a transformer to work need AC, a switching power supply switch on and off DC voltage on the primary of the transformer creating virtually AC on a square wave, so it's AC...

[@Preske]

I could have sworn HATS were called shields in the beginning, Am I right or is this a fever dream I had.

[@nicholassmith7730]

"Shields" are for Adruino's. "HATs" are for Pi's. It's "Hardware Attached on-Top" or somthing like that.

[@Preske]

@@nicholassmith7730 ok that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification!

[@jamescollins6085]

That screeching fan on the Pi is intolerable. I'm glad there are aftermarket options available.

[@Saturn2888]

You finally fixed my Home Assistant long-term log file storage issue!

[@svenlima]

You're so happy to have an impressive tiny tiny fully functional computer. And then you extend it with so much stuff that you could buy a standart size computer intead ... ;-)

[@davidsalvador8989]

The real problem with these boards is 1. The price. 2. The availability. What happened to the idea of helping poor children learn computers? Everyone has given up on that idea.

[@DoctorNemmo]

Kids got phones for $60 dollars.

[@chrisk3127]

supply and demand, supposedly they're ramping up production which should help but it's still going to cost more than Chineese brand alternatives

[@notarealperson9709]

what children need a PoE+ and an m.2 ssd to tinker with a raspberry pi?

[@dataterminal]

You don't have to get the Pi5 to learn on, you can get the Pi Zero 2w for $20 bucks, it does everything the pi5 does except a little slower.

[@davidsalvador8989]

@ the premise of the video is it’s fixing a problem with the pi. The problem with the pi is the pi is to expensive. I’m not talking about the HATs

[@EverythingHomeTheater]

Can't wait to read all the jokes about the dry sock guarentee from the sponsor. 😂

[@slomopanic]

God... im so used to getting hit with segue's, the moment you grabbed the ltt set and said "like with our ltt... screwd" my mind went to "our ltt-screwdriver segue from our sponsors"

[@HerbaMachina]

9:30, ugh I still refuse to acknowledge the existence of MiB, Base 2 and base 2 only. fuck the drive manufacturers trying to force base 10 bytes down our throat. 1KB = 1024 Bytes, 1MB = 1024 KB, 1GB = 1024 MB base 2 isn't that hard people. (Also for those wondering windows of all things it does right does actually report storage in proper base 2 Bytes, so when windows says 1KB it really genuinely means 1024 Bytes etc and is part of the reason why drives don't appear as their full capacity listed on the package in Windows and 1TB actually reports as like 915 GB in Windows (part of it is reserved sector's on SSDs for accounting for failed flash modules, however the bigger culprit is drive manufacturers pushing to redefine what KB, MB, GB, etc. mean to sell less storage at the same prices.

[@commanderoof4578]

Ahh yes the good old Rocket Blue!! Love those things

[@DaftknightLP]

you could potentially just thermal glue a heatsink to that NvME

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Please remember the Alder Lake 4 E-cores N100 tiny pc currently costs around $100. Just in case.

[@snizzol]

Please make more videos like this. ♥

[@kubburdigital]

Rpi 6 should def come with poe and at least emmc, btw would love to see jake collab with Jeff or lvl1 or some other ttuber

[@purple4395]

With me watching booth this channel and playing/watching a lot of Path of Exile 2 the KZbin algorithm is completely confused and finds this when I search for the game.

[@ben-tendo]

The Pi 5 provides an M.2 slot onto them as a standard setup option, so this is already a null point.

[@r0galik]

If they came like this, there wouldn't have to be a whole HAT ecosystem, I guess they gimp the pi on purpose

[@controlfreak1963]

They also make industrial Pi computers/PLC's. Revolution

[@gingery3k]

i need this guy in my life

[@Fullchaos40]

Be careful with the POE switching circuits. They can give you a little zap and are pretty sensitive.

[@BenGillam]

Got two pis! 8 and 10 years old. Had one card die. About u 7 years ago and that's it

[@johnjohannesjuan]

In my book, being a small computer is not the use case an RPi is really good for. There are way better pre-built mini-PCs for that. What the Pi excels at is having easily accesible IO to interact with sensors etc. and loads of tutorials for the wildest applications, simply because there are so many people using it.

[@TheWebstaff]

If they make one with POE and NVME, they need to call it the PI Plus.

[@williamdouglas8040]

That Ethernet cable should be at least 1 m long - according to the Ethernet spec. The different twisted pair have different twist rates and there is a minimum length required to ensure there is no cross-talk. I've had a MacBook Pro crash due to using short cables. Those short little cables are perfect for when connecting to patch panels but that is about it.

[@danielhulan3058]

Wow, Jake in a non-server video... Color me impressed lol.

[@norwegiansmores811]

the age of Pi is over. new devices with native wifi and bluetooth are now common place

[@whiteb0rd]

While you certainly CAN lod the OS directly to the NVME drive over the Internet, the better (IMHO) soution is to insert a microSD card with raspbian AND the pi imager software. Boot the Pi initially feom the microSD card, flash the NVME with ANY supported OS using imager, use raspi-config to set the boot orde rto NVME first, then fallback to microSD, and reboot.

[@JTHVideo]

When you said “in theory” it triggered my “hey siri”

[@slartibartfasttynsol420]

I think the reason the 5 doesn't have M.2 is that it would use up the pcie channel, and someone might want to use it for something else. Personally, I think it's such a common requirement that it should be there. Maybe if the next version has a processor with 2 pcie lanes, rather than a pcie x2 they can have 2 x1s, and use one for the M.2?

[@DarrenPoulson]

Waiting for them to come back into stock....

[@kaamoshaamu]

I recommend dietpi as os. Unless you need GUI. It's the fastest/smallest available and uses ramlog so sd doesn't wear so quickly.

[@juanpablofajardoramirez1008]

Talking about SD mishaps... Once I was going to connect my SD card to the PC.... And dropped it into my piano, I literally had to tear down the piano to get the SD again ahhaha

[@prosfilaes]

M.2 is really nice, but PoE is not something everybody has. I've only seen it in enterprise installations.

[@webluke]

Cool addon, but the value and performance of a used Tiny/Mini/Micro Dell or Lenovo computer is what I will continue to use.

[@SimonEllwood]

If a PC is a good fit then you are not the target market.

[@webluke]

@@SimonEllwood Yeah, for sure, 90% of Pis are used incorrectly, driving up the price and adding extra compute in all the wrong locations.

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

@@SimonEllwood PC + MCU bam, best of both worlds.

[@98.11Deet]

I did not know HAT was an acronym.

[@NotTheBobby]

Being that they didn't have a PoE injector laying around, I kind of wish they would do some coverage on some good, 1-8 port, smaller, PoE injectors. I have 4 SFP+ fiber runs in my home (rental) and really only need a few PoE for 2 cams/doorbell and a RasPi...

[@butwhytho6522]

I thought Pi's biggest issue was not enough GPIO .. I guess we have different use cases

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

Why not use MCU for I/O?

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

Thanks dudes

[@dr_harrington]

Seems like the board would be restricting air intake for the active cooler.

[@marsovac]

RPi5 would be so much better if it had hardware AV1 decoding and H265 encoding. That hat can run an M2 to 5 SATA adapter. With a sata bay and a Pico PSU it could be a jellyfin transcoding NAS. For AV1 now you need the Intel N100 but the setup is more convoluted, more expensive and takes more physical space. Oh well let's hope for the 6.

[@Arek_R.]

It really pisses me off that the fins are wrong way around on the cooler....

[@MartinPittBradley]

I was happy when the Jetson Orin went M2

[@germang.4514]

If you don't need I/O pins, just buy a mini PC for the same price, it's more powerful and you can install any linux distribution (and windows).

[@gigakoresh]

Finlally, some good fucking thumbnail

[@arrowsofjudgment]

the only poe i know is path of exile so i was disappointed that this video wasn’t about the poe i know

[@nathanbanks2354]

I'm hoping for a pi with more PCIe lanes and more RAM.

[@HowieDay82]

1138 callout.

[@mrdan2898]

As a precaution NEVER short out the power connections as the board instantly will become a brick! Even though it's advertised there is protections, in actuality there's no effective short circuit protection on the PI! Ask how I know, I lost 5 Pi's due to accidentally shorting the pins. I then spent lots of time trying to hack supply DC power, but was unable due to the complexity of the onboard power delivery.

[@ivanmaglica264]

Yeah, there should be a RPi 5+ which would have M.2 slot!

[@Giyvin]

green house rack for system control would be ideal

[@bast7486]

i did run an irc server on my Pi 3 for over 6 years on the same SD card ;)

[@DCVolo]

As much as I liked raspberrys, they are not worth the price anymore for "common" uses, a 120$ mini pc is as efficient, uses x86, already got a box and are great for mini-projects

[@SimonEllwood]

The Raspberry Pi is not intended to replace PCs so if a PC suits your application then use that.

[@frederikmoeller88]

Damn Skinny jake is a nice guy

[@sanoujamnandan]

Your fingers looks funny 😂

[@VSTMAN1337]

I wish PoE mini pcs would be more popular

[@Saturn2888]

Thi item is sold out :(.