This was a MISTAKE (Reacting to Why Millennials Are Leaving Six-Figure Jobs)

[@spricket24]

"When you don't have money, money is everything. When you do have money, it's not." TRUTH

[@nps6755]

Church!

[@KarlDahlquist]

time is more valuable once you have money

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

@@KarlDahlquist true

[@MrChilley]

@@KarlDahlquist and you're health is more valuable once you have time

[@jutgediisp3407]

Only money obsessed people would say something like this

[@erastuskuria8598]

Not just tech a lot of people are leaving their high paying jobs once they realise they can’t keep up with the corporate games, no sane adult wants to have some clown questioning their every move during the work day. Give me a deadline and all the necessary tools and I’ll see you when I’m done.

[@ramsesmedina3159]

Seriously my boss at dominoes would ask less of me than a corporate job fuck the puppetry

[@bh844]

Scrum has made this worse! I hate IT now!!!

[@ravenmadd1343]

@@bh844 Micro managed by managers, Scrum "Masters" and peers, A living bloody hell!

[@rookiej5587]

Add to that - the office politics. Corporates have given a fancy name to politics by calling it "networking"

[@stephanieburgess8217]

Exactly! Too much micromanagement.

[@Thundarius]

All these corporate simps fighting for companies that wouldn't fight for them and will replace them in a heartbeat is hilarious.

[@cliffclairespicyreviews3502]

Fax

[@nospoontobend2656]

100%😂😂

[@Tamara-ju3lh]

"3x the salary of public school workers", WHO ALSO AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH. These people lack self-awareness.

[@JustinK0]

maybe teachers could get paid more if computer science was part of their curriculum at an early age, at least then a lot more students were able to get into technology after highschool and pay more taxes. (because there would be more people at a higher income)

[@defeqel6537]

It's almost like the biggest part of the public sector, which is funded by tax money, cannot make more than biggest earners in the private sector..

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Naw, they’ll replace teachers with AI and pre-recorded lectures voiced by fifteen.AI before paying them a cent more.

[@ThingsILikke]

Teachers where I live get paid pretty well- starting is $75,000 a year with great benefits and they get a fat pension when they hit retirement

[@invalidaccount2315]

The avg teacher in my city starts at 55k, 90% of the society makes 22k per yr

[@bvandie]

Something about experiencing abusive relationships in your personal life definitely make you more indignant toward manipulation, no matter how well that manipulation is gussied up.

[@lamzy3773]

100%

[@TheDarkness1]

True dat!

[@sonaligupta1266]

Couldn't agree more.

[@Pointlessparodys]

It also makes you really good at returning it tbh

[@lamzy3773]

@@Pointlessparodys No, it doesn't. If you, the abusers have won over you as you now become one of them.

[@justinb.5277]

When I tell people I worked in Electronic Banking for 5 years, they seem impressed. It was sooooo soul crushing. I'd seriously rather live in the woods than go back. I was suicidal, developed a twitch in my neck, and grew to hate every single human being.

[@ravenmadd1343]

I work in one of these fancy "Blue chip" companies. Same, leaving as soon as i can find something better and don't care if it's not in IT.

[@jamesgizasson]

Living in the woods is actually one of my goals! I'm not in tech, or even a six figure job; but I do alright. The peace of the forest is always something I've loved. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :3

[@Orion_Nebula_M42]

That was me at a accounting firm. NEVER again..

[@Jason-bg7jc]

"And they hated him because he spoke the truth"

[@tjs4519]

As a 36 year old who's been working in Tech since 25.... I feel Millennials wanting more... It's not only hard to trust corporations but often management doesn't know what their doing which compounds the most frustrating problems, creates security issues, and generally undermines your technical abilities and intelligence. Why you ask? Because they don't trust you.... I'm actually proud of the younger generation for stepping outside the box, you may not realize it now, but you are making the future better by forcing these corporations to change.

[@willstruder]

I’m starting the Ga Tech Bootcamp tomorrow, I’m really hoping my passion for coding and creating cool things will continue to grow.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

I hope you find somewhere that rewards you for that in the future where ever you work and doesn't halt your ambitions with corporate beauacracy

[@willstruder]

@@JoshuaFluke1 Thanks to your advice, I’d really like to start my own company with friends and just create fun applications and websites for people. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

[@infinteuniverse]

@@JoshuaFluke1 I think he'll enjoy it. At the beginning phase of learning anything new is when people become addicted to knowing more. When you get so good that your job doesn't challenge you or becomes so repetitive, that's when you lose interest.

[@nekograce7914]

GO YELLOW JACKETS 🐝!!!

[@CodingWithQui]

I'm starting at the next cohort date. I'm wishing the same and it's actually making me a little nervous I hope it works out for you.

[@Jonch95]

I love this! Working in IT is extremely draining. People really think that sitting behind the computer is easy. Not when you have to lead a team, complete 25+ tickets each iteration, resolve production bugs, attend meetings (takes half your day), then repeat for the next sprint. I literally take all my money and invest more than 80% because my eyes and brain won't be able to take it for 20+ years.

[@gentronseven]

Ugh I do the same thing, I don't want to spend a cent because every cent gone is another 5 cents I have to earn doing something I hate

[@tenen2105]

Here's the deal about those six figures tech jobs or any other. Companies (paying six figures + perks ) * 3, that's how much you will have to return to the company in workload. If you're making $100k plus $20 in perks, you will have to return in $360k in return. Employees are realizing this is a scam and walking away from this companies. Their mental health is more important than a company that's paying your dinner.

[@HH-le1vi]

That's how business works. They're not around for charity.

[@HackersSun]

Do they expect you to be work overtime for free? (only ever worked service industry)

[@ninjablack4347]

Thats what i realized when i saw my sister working as a social worker. She pulls in over 100k but is never home and is on call. Its not worth it

[@jaskarvinmakal9174]

@@HackersSun most jobs that pay over $40k annually expect no overtime pay, that's the limit for contractors at least, non government contracting companies are not obligated to pay overtime on salary so they just don't. Sometimes there's an obligation like wartime military or cyber security breaches on oil pipelines or something, but more often than not it's the company trying to do more with less, and sometimes it's people holding you back for their own personal satisfaction.

[@HH-le1vi]

@Tony Yang not going to argue that. My longest time with a company is 3.5 years and that's just because I kept getting promoted until I capped out and then started my own company.

[@philcooper9225]

Money is only 'everything' in our modern culture. I was raised Amish, we value God's favor the way you all value money and respect. We work and build whatever you people pay for, and we keep most of the money we make forever.

[@kogorun]

Why do you even make money then?

[@NotShowingOff]

Don’t Amish ppl need money from ppl living in metropolitan areas. You sell your food that you grow. Admirable, but you need a client base.

[@philcooper9225]

@@NotShowingOff without one we don't need the other, no money required to stay alive without government! Catch 22 and we solved it =)

[@philcooper9225]

@@kogorun property taxes and other requirements for staying in the USA and being protected from terrorists/China - render unto Caesar! I inherited millions of dollars in farm land and mineral rights, my kids will be rich because my parents worked hard and smart! They'll pass it on and not waste it like a Yankee =)

[@BasedPureblood]

@@philcooper9225 Based. Godspeed bro, I wish you and your bloodline well!!

[@blackkite-studio5423]

We humans are born to explore, not for 9-5 corporate getto

[@emilyganguly277]

racism

[@hansonel]

100% It isn't always about the salary. Work life balance should be the goal for workers

[@Casinogirl56]

Where I used to work 60 hrs weeks are the norm. Corporate can't figure out why they have such a huge turnover.

[@citizenz4640]

Denmark offers a great work life balance. I know a dude that was offered a Silicon Valley job but he chose going for a lower paid job in Denmark that actually satisfies him and he has plenty of vacation and normal or less than normal working hours.

[@emilyganguly277]

I think work life balance should be constitutionally protected

[@SavageDarkness]

"All you do is sit at computer and press buttons! How the hell are You that stressed?" "Do YOU know which buttons to push? No? Does anyone else you know? no? THAT'S WHY I get paid like that. You don't understand it, and honestly, neither do most of my bosses and expect shit that is not realistic."

[@MthaMenMon]

@@nagyzoli What?! No, just no. It's as if you said "Being a doctor is easy cuz a construction worker can learn how to be a doctor in about 6-8 years" lmao don't compare jobs, everyone decides which sector to work in.

[@thebutterflyeffect6054]

@@nagyzoli if it was easy everybody could be a coder. Don't fool yourself

[@Pointlessparodys]

@@nagyzoli Its an easier job but with a larger barrier. You're right though I did 60 hour weeks in a warehouse for awhile and it literally any time that I wasn't moving boxes I would be sleeping or struggling to make it to mcdonalds because I was too tired to eat. Shit will wreck you

[@nafnaf0]

All this advice is rock solid and now in my 30s I had to learn this the hard way. Yeah working hard doesn’t get you sh*t, always prioritize building your skills, taking on additional responsibility, building up your portfolio, and looking for opportunities. Busting out work that is essentially the same over and over gets you no where.

[@Avocadotoastin]

Dude. You are the voice we need. Please keep preaching the truth. I appreciate it and I’m sure countless others do. I don’t understand the mentality over control and forcing us to be back in the office. It started because of the pandemic and now people realize... oh hey we want quality of life, time with our loved ones and flexibility during our work weeks. The assumption and the coercion by employers of trying to make us conform to their vision of hard work and start / finish times, and cultural accepted norms of work functions is borderline sadistic when you think about what the point of it all is.... pushing employees to the point of max productivity like robots. It’s never been about us being treated like humans with these “perks” it’s all about control. Further, many of these corporations likely have connections to the commercial real estate firms, investments, or straight ownership, so justifying offices becomes a financial incentive... but mostly it’s over control and “hey if I can’t see you you’re not working”. It’s excessive and I kept saying that I hope the pandemic brings a positive... and that positive is remote work should be pushed. It’s worse than that, energy companies for example that are trying to reduce carbon footprints, and other type ESG mantras they supposedly try to do by buying renewable electricity or reducing carbon, remote work is never even considered as an option to reduce carbon footprint. If we restructured society we’d be able to reduce a lot of waste by imposing all these requirements. We’ve been able to work on computers for over 3 decades now... and remote has been possible for at least two decades... but really just so easy for the past 15 years... either way, the resistance to fight change and the future is so childish. Let’s call work what it is, an exchange for labor and skills... that can be severed at any time for any reason... the idea of family at work is idiotic. When anyone can they’ll screw someone else over it means saving their own... of course there are exceptions to this but they are minimal... why? Not because people are inherently terrible... but because these are the rules in place to make people pit against each other to keep earning the buck. I had a manager start recently and in the first week sent a message about start / end times and lunch times to be adhered to... in his first week, this was after we had some nice conversations about life etc.... I wonder where the context of those supposed convos went when he suddenly felt the need to impose his restrictions and try to remove autonomy on me. Anyways... sorry for the rant. I am considering starting a new channel to join you in this revolution. All the best J

[@I_Lemaire]

Props to you, Josh, for encouraging Jeremiah Young on his coding journey. To me, this video just confirms the fact that all jobs are hard and tech is hard for everyone--including code mentor/teacher Aaron Jack. As you said in the video, talent is overrated. I just need to work hard and treat people with kindness and respect. Coding is not everything but is the gateway to more money and other milestones in life.

[@maserati4000]

When it comes to (single) men, what we need to be content costs us far less than $100,000 a year. Decent bachelor pad, high end pc, some clothes, food, maybe a gym membership or a car. Any extra money will get thrown to an investment account or whatever else hobby. And 6 figure salaries come with more headaches. Higher taxes, more responsibilities with less autonomy, more corporate politics to deal with, stress, etc. Yeah the extra cash is nice but the job won’t give you enough time to even enjoy it.

[@louisvuitton1859]

So because we can’t enjoy it, we shouldn’t get it? Weird argument.

[@louisvuitton1859]

Also being single men, our expectations are always higher compared to other people regardless of our income.

[@maserati4000]

@@louisvuitton1859 I don’t know how you got that conclusion or how you interpreted that people should not go for those jobs. What you should have taken away from what I said that what it takes to be content for a single dude is not only easily achieved with a non-6 figure salary, but also the fact that the responsibilities that come with 6 figure salaries can take away from what makes you content.

[@maserati4000]

@@louisvuitton1859 you are making my point. We know what makes us content and what it takes to sustain how we enjoy living. What we expect from a 6 figure job has to be worth the effort because we already know we’re don’t need that type of salary to live our life. If I can do the same things on a $50k salary as I can on a $100k salary, what are you going to be giving me outside of money that will be worth sacrificing the things I enjoy? See what I mean.

[@TLM860]

Best thing is to bank the extra $ and when you start to get burnt out you can just leave

[@woofelator]

Dude, these people are so smoothbrained... since when does anyone get paid more because they have to work harder? You get paid by how the company values you for what you're bringing to the table

[@worldissus8033]

Real life is where you know everyone just wants money. But you can’t talk about it. Instead everyone should say that they work for a brighter future of humanity.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Beuh, that's because you constantly have to be paying money just to be able to stay at the place you live in... You have no choice but to make money when even basic human needs such as water and food are garanteed for you...

[@GD0nly]

Nah your point about "Top talent" is spot on. I've been a guitarist for 17 years. I wasn't born good at guitar, that took time and effort. When my friends say I'm talented at guitar, that pisses me off because I'm skilled, not talented. Obviously, they're my friends, so I don't go off on one at them, but it's not a distinction people pay enough attention to.

[@robertmaxa6631]

The problem with money is, if you don't have enough, it is the only important thing. Not everyone is cut out for work in the tech industry. 100k would be nice, but I'm smart enough to know that ain't gonna happen, so I will accept what I make, and be thankful that I still have a job.

[@cheekibreeki9155]

The stark contrast here is that my parent's generation taught me to never be beholden to your boss. At the end of the day, you are just a disposable worker no matter how much they pay you or how many perks they give you. Just go in, negotiate as much as they are willing to give you, then either hold them hostage with your skills to make yourself indispensable and ask for more pay, or if that isn't possible, just line up another company willing to give you more money to temporarily retain your skills. You are being paid to supply them with your skillset. How hardworking you are only makes a difference to your boss's annual bonus.

[@RandomLinda14]

Fun fact: School teachers aren’t paid enough because there is actually an over supply of teachers in the market and not enough demand. The Bureau of Labor statistics shows this (Aaron Clarey goes in on this lol). And depending on certain regions of the U.S, there isn’t a demand for teachers either. Thanks to Coursera, Udemy and other online learning platforms, skilled teachers that teach something specific online, do very well for themselves.

[@harsh3948]

I mean, if the internet and AI will be taking more jobs than creating them then I guess we need to rethink out economic model and implement UBI

[@donkeyhobo34]

I love Linda

[@xenonsan3110]

@@harsh3948 don't forget keeping housing prices low by implementing penalties on landlords for sitting on vacant apartments/houses till prices go up

[@poralitical]

There's not a demand for teachers cause schools keep increasing the kids to teacher ratio. Most kids need a degree of hands on learning, and LOTS of kids would benefit from guided learning. but schools won't fund that, so the jobs stay stagnated.

[@SoulOctavius]

@@poralitical facts. I need that guild learning & hands on learning. That's how I learn the best & watching videos. But everything is being pushed online to reading long walls of text that put you to sleep, and any online help is from tutor that can barely speak English.

[@AaronandAsh]

*Damm it* thought i was gonna get a shout out on 9:52! 😎

[@JoshuaFluke1]

I think we're on the same page but different personalities

[@ashly3598]

@@JoshuaFluke1 💪💪

[@pickledparsleyparty]

"If a survey showed" lol no, there's a survey for any conclusion one could ever want. Man that gold mine is a treasure trove of comeback bait.

[@HartleySan]

A lot of good points made in this video, but the one that really hit home for me was the concept of being your own boss versus working for someone else. At the end of the day, if you're not the boss, then you have to 100% trust the person that is the boss to make the right decisions. I'm sure there are those cases, but I have yet to find a boss, regardless of how "nice" they are, that I can trust to make the right decisions. Working hard right now to move over to a lifestyle where I am my own boss, and never looking back.

[@chagavah]

I like your content dude, am from Nairobi,Kenya and I learn a lot about America's tech scene from your priceless videos. This is especially helpful as I am actively seeking a remote job from the U.S

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

People people who make those types of comments are always the ones who don't work in a creative or problem-solving field. We're not paid to just sit in chairs

[@DebraJohnson]

That was my comment at 10:14. I'm a lawyer and my job requires a high level of thought and skill. All I do is solve complex problems all day, but I still enjoy the perks of the job and working from home. I have worked in physically taxing, low-paying manual jobs so I won't complain about a desk job.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@DebraJohnson but I wouldn't say it's a complaint, it sounds more like employers are complaining cause they have a labor shortage. In guessing as a lawyer, you need proper breaks, and I'd guess eventually you level up to having assistants or some form of promotion(genuine question)? The jobs featured in the video doesnt have much promotional structure so the go their own. America is about building a future and usually a business no?

[@ZNIR777]

I feel like sooner or later I would have discovered your channel lmao. I didn't feel like perks are special from the start. I view jobs as... jobs? It's not fun, but you can choose a more tolerable one. But then there's my friends who are so excited about all of that. Didn't question any of that and just got on with everything. I thought I was insane because all I could see was sth soul-draining. (Again there are more tolerable ones, and I'm glad I have that). That is until I discovered this channel and I feel easier to breath.

[@Collinsportbakery]

I agree with you. Also one of the biggest problems in Tech is no mentorship. The unwillingness to give managers the training and time to build the future generations of Tech. The are always looking for a superstar they don’t have to train; however there is a lot of bureaucracy in processes that are not mentored or shared by the management class. Sometimes competitiveness breads a culture of “reindeer games”.

[@Collinsportbakery]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that a lot of these perks are just infantilization of the workforce. That makes them easier to control.

[@aaronhartmann7658]

As an truck driver, I'd like to point out corporate mindset needs to change asap. They treat you guys over $50k as free range slaves. I get my load assignments and I'm left alone to do my job. I choose how and when I work, etc. I learned long time ago to have more than one income. Any job anymore acts like they owns you.

[@pjtorres91]

Hahaha my goodness... that had me 💀 when you pronounced "Andrew Jizzlers'" name lmao 🤣😂 literally spit out my fanta. I applaud you sir 👏👏👏👏 That guy's an idiot.

[@CaptainXanax]

I like the lady that scoffs at people making $145k being stressed. My brother has more stress than I do and literally makes 12x the salary. Why is he so stressed? Well he's a goddamn heart surgeon. He has a family, the big house, the expensive cars but every day he worries that someone with 10 co-morbidities that he's supposed to help might die on his table. So yes, he makes an assload of money. He also paid for it with incredibly long hours, sleepless nights and worry.

[@addikt]

I don't know about anyone else, but I find that the mental tax of working in technology is the crux of the issue here. My role has me working on complex problems and design challenges all day, every day. Even when I encounter a problem that seems simple on the surface, it's usually insidiously complex. The result has been a career that feels like it's built on years of solving brain teasers. Anyone who has studied anything for an extended period of time is familiar with this kind of mental fatigue. You can't think, you can't read another word, even if you have to, even if you want to. Maybe it's just me, or maybe my mind is not as resilient or nimble as it once was, but I've found this kind of fatigue more difficult, and immensely more frustrating to recover from. I've moved houses, put up dry wall, laid tile, re-sodded lawns, cut grass, worked in kitchens/restaurants, and done a whole host of other labor-intensive jobs before working in tech. Some days were exhausting, for sure. But, with a night of decent rest, I wasn't exactly looking forward to going to work the next day, but I was able to perform. Again, I can only speak from my own experience here, but tech has been the opposite. At the conclusion of a big project, especially if there's a crunch, I simply cannot work on the next one without some prolonged rest. In fact, doing something physical is often rejuvenating. My last big project had me finish an entire deck before my mental fog lifted. In an attempt to draw an adequate comparison with some of the other professions mentioned here: a teacher isn't required to reinvent their entire curriculum for every new cohort, an accountant doesn't need to deal with an annual overhaul of the tax code, and a mason doesn't need to re-learn their craft or how to work with new materials at such a furious pace. I'm not saying that these professions don't have their own set of challenges. I'm simply trying to draw a comparison for those who think that these developer complaints have no merit, or are simply the result of someone reaching the top of Maslow's hierarchy. In my opinion, it's the opposite; you're descending to the bottom. Protecting one's mental health is a physiological need. The self-actualization comes later. My friends tell me that since I started working in tech, they see less of me, and that I'm more consistently unhappy. You can't really put a price on that.

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

40hrs a week lol. Anyone in any job that's 6 figures works +40hrs. Luckily OT actually means OT in my field.

[@MikeDoesRandomThings]

Ive been in tech for about 3 to 4 years now. And I can tell you its not about attitude.... Its about making money and earning a living so you can pay off your debts and do the actual tech work (or whatever work) YOU want to do. Eventually become your own boss and do other things instead of working for someone else forever.

[@cyanogen7582]

I very quickly realized that work should only be the means to help me do the things I actually want to do.

[@gameon2000]

Josh, you're so right! I spent nearly a decade in Tech & IT myself - came to the same conclusion as you! Don't let them birdbrains tear you down!

[@robertcarson7803]

What vid is such propaganda. If people in the industry are indeed leaving those dream 6 figure jobs. Something isn’t right there is it?

[@defeqel6537]

Indeed. Complainers are free to build up their skillsets and apply.

[@pickledparsleyparty]

Software development is one of those things that is so god damned fun until someone is expecting you to do it for a paycheck. It's the difference between "wow, I made some nice progress today and learned something" and "oh fuck I didn't finish it today boss is going to be so upset better cut some corners tomorrow."

[@Snowy84557]

I've accidently underquoted projects before and then worked my arse off to meet my own deadlines but I don't do overtime to meet someone elses bad deadlines or mistakes. That's how I get better at quoting projects and don't burn out.

[@timothythompson4036]

See Josh is bringing up something important. 145k a year starts to lose it value when you are working 80- 90 hours a week. You have no personal life, your whole life is at the office. Burn out hits after the first year. There is so much stress about deadlines that you can never go on vacaton. This is the reason people quit. They realize they hate what they are doing.

[@mboiko]

WAIT a MINUTE: Before it was cool to work in tech it was the domain of the "hardcore nerd". You know the ones that used to be treated like crap. The ones few girls would ever date. When it became cool...tech became flooded by let's just say "your average smart people" who for the most part just wanted to make a good salary and say they worked for a cool tech company. Being told by family, friends, society "this is where you should be". But being smart is not good enough because engineering is not what you do...it's WHO YOU ARE. A lesson many are now finding out. Just as decades before many went into the law profession because they were smart, money was very good and family/friends said it was the place to be. Then years later reality hit and many realized that's not what they really want to do. It's like that old movie "Revenge of the Nerds". You had the nerds and the cool people. The nerds were treated like crap...that is until tech became cool. So now smart cool people join the tech industry...and after a few years they find out they're not happy anymore. Oh, what a surprise...if it ain't your real passion, at some point down the road there will be a "now why am I doing this" moment.

[@Happygoluckyghost]

From the outside looking inn, you guys missed the boat of that ps2 era style of tech jobs. Now tech is a sweatshop.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

Tech jobs have _always_ been that way in case folks were curious. Or go look at some gaming news reddit / youtube channels and you are guaranteed to find at least one article talking about how dev's are exploited in these hardly regulated industries because they are "white collar" jobs. The stories some of the devs at major gaming companies talk about are simply horrifying. Where I worked, if you put in less than 70-80 hours you weren't even considered for more than a COL raise or promotion. Not only that - but these companies have no qualms or hesitation when it comes to "re-organization" in their desperation to shave the margins for the quarterly report. They constantly hire young and excited devs - burn them out after 5-7 years and spit them out, rinse & repeat. Dev jobs are hard enough in these high tech, silicon valley, indentured servitude camps a.k.a "the office". My first summer internship when I was 16 was with a tech company, I worked for that same company for over 20 years. I can't count the number of times I attended an "All Hands" meeting where employees were encouraged to make "sacrifices" for the good of the company and then 6 months later, just before Christmas, many of those same employees were laid off. One of the layoff's was particularly harsh and stupid. One of my coworkers was at a customer job site helping to come up with solutions and they were called on the phone by HR and and told to get on the next plane home because they no longer represented XYZ company since they had been "downsized". Tech companies are just as merciless as Wall Street - they _don't care about how loyal you are_ - the second you cost them more money than they think you're worth... bye bye. Odds are, you unwittingly showed your replacement around the office. I'm just glad I turned in my notice before it happened to me.

[@longwildernesswalks]

I'm turning 40 this year. I own my own business, and have for nearly 20 years. I can tell you with 100% confidence, money does not solve problems. If anything, money just makes your problems rise to the surface because less of your time is spent worrying about money. I learned more about myself when i sold my company and walked away to pursue who I wanted to be, and what I wanted to do. It's funny, the company I worked for sold out to some BS company out of CA. When they did it, we were told to be grateful. When I sold my company (they sold my product) I was told I was being selfish and arrogant. Needless to say, I happily walked away and have found my own peace. I'll mow yards for a living before I'll ever work another corporate job again.

[@laverdadbuscador]

I've had a few employers try to switch my shift, change my hours, ridicule me for not working more than the required time.....(They said my shift starts at 8am and they got mad when I show up at 8am). If you want me in at 730am.....tell me 730am. I'm not volunteering for more time than what I need to. I'm salary not hourly. Ive warned those companies I'm going to quit if they change our "contract" without a renegotiation on wages. They made the change and when I didn't show up to work they called me up asking where I was. I said "you didn't want me anymore so I didn't come in". They said " we still want you, we just had to change the shift". And I said "yeah, that's the same thing. Money is fine and all....but ONLY reason I worked for you is because the schedule fit my lifestyle. I'm not willing to change that". They would try to renegotiate the wage but keep the shift. Then when Id triple the pay they'd try to get me to just do my normal job again. I'd tell them I already found a new job. I'd also take about 5 or so of their employees with me to the next job. Those " know it alls" fail really hard to understand how good I am at my job. I'm loyal, I am.....but I'm instantly not loyal the moment I smell bullshit. I always have a plan B and not afraid to use plan B. Don't gamble with me.

[@nickcarrillo2008]

I feel like this channel helps fight back against the corporate stooge culture. I've been feeling this way for years and Josh calls it out so well. I go out of my way to share the same advice to all my friends now because of him lol

[@raptoress6131]

120 hours a week would leave you with about 6,85 hrs per day for sleeping and everything else you need to do with no days off...

[@kanaverum]

“You can’t buy your PTO with money” we can at our company lol

[@tas655]

I have been being watching all Joshua's videos! I LOVE them!!!!

[@DuRoehre90210]

Yeah, you nailed it. My shitty company, although being a middle-sized corporation, was used to provide "extra paid vacation days" only to employers with kids. Using different shitty excuses on why they have earned it more. While people w/o kids were doing the most work, esp. without being disturbed by family calls (or calling school/kindergarden/... all the time). How is that fair? FU, company. Thankfully, that has changed this year after some people started complaining and some key staff has actually started leaving us, even in COVID times. I'd bet, that kind of politics was driving most of them, together with the bogus career ladder.

[@WebSoak]

Gets a job at FaceBook- *buys PO box in NYC* -moves to Montana “Address here” -PO BOX

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Itll show up on tax return though???

[@jcc1351]

I hate being micromanaged to constantly having to prove my "worth". And yet, these micromanagers are on the hallways talking all day claiming they are utilizing their valuable skills of "organizing/delegating/coordinating/masturbating/etc.". 😂

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

For the people taking that “you finish a project you get another project” comment out of context, what he means is you are hired to do 40 hours plus a little more and then you are repeatedly told “we need this project done by a deadline,” so you work 70 hours per week because the deadline in not realistic given a 40-69 hour week and then the day after the deadline, there is another project/deadline which required 70 hours per week (no time for participating 50/50 as a parent or household member, no time for healthcare and fitness, no tone for job searches, no tone to take vacation whether or not it is unlimited or not). It’s not as if anyone expects to work 40-50 hours a week on a project, turn it in, and then have a day of doing nothing on company time.

[@alouisschafer7212]

Its a fucked world. People work themselves to death in some places.

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

@@alouisschafer7212 yeah for 40k and a promise of 140K in 20-30 years if they get repeatedly promoted above 90 percent of their co-workers who are al also working 70 hours per week because they have the same idea. And then they hire from outside anyway.

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

Yeah it’s the promotion into 6 figure salary in 20 years lottery ticket that costs 10-20 extra hours a week for 20 years in a lot of less well paid industries. They just hired from outside in my org. for a middle management spot. The guy hasn’t actually even been in the industry for 15 years WTF?

[@aldusric]

Thank you so much for your channel and your courage in speaking the truth. We need more of these videos. People need to realize job manipulation and savage capitalism.

[@Ladida386]

For me my work is not exhausting. It's exhausting to put up with people, their games, politics, stupid rules that have no logic...

[@milan51259]

Skillful and resourceful people see quite fast in their lifes, that working on only one thing is like somebody put a limit to their minds. Humans are not supposed to do only one single task for a complete lifespan.

[@enjay86]

This video and the comments perfectly capture my feelings and explain why so many software engineers are so often burnt out. And I have to admit that I too am shackled with golden handcuffs :( I may not make six figures because I live in Central Europe, but my salary is on par with senators or members of the government, so I shouldn't complain because I don't have to prioritize my spending and I can buy whatever sh*t I want, right :(

[@Auticusx]

This summer is my 30th anniversary in tech. Everything you say is 100% spot on.

[@medisand]

I was watching this yesterday and I thought Josh might react to this. I was right lol

[@DJxMaster2]

Its good to be grateful for what you have but if you can strive further you should do it. Only you can set the limits to yourself.

[@timothythompson4036]

My nephew was in tech here in NYC. He was an AI software developer. He bought a house on Long Island. He got laid off right after he bought the house, the house went into foreclosure. He divorced his wife, and he now lives in a homeless encampment in California. Guys, the tech world is very unstable.

[@abhishekm3752]

The thing is that most of us have not made it to the stage where we can think about the "why" about our work. We are still stuck in "How", how can i make a comfortable earning to not worry about rent/bills/insurance/etc. Unless a person gets past this monetary stage, they wont realise why Josh is saying what he is saying and its completely understandable why they cant see this as of now yet.

[@itsme-nt2lj]

Unions are corporations greatest fear

[@scottchelmford7136]

the reason why alot of us are quitting is because the price of homes in these areas is still astronomical and unless youre making about a million a year, its still pretty much impossible to buy a home. we need to band togethher and start convincing other people in all industries to quit their jobs.

[@UMBR.]

6:53 "We're really *_wiring_* you to work those extra hours" THERE IT IS! There's the tell-all language. Wiring. Like we are robots. Robots that they are programming as if we do not have our own autonomy.

[@DaRedHood003]

I’ve been in tech for 20+ years. What he is saying is true. These corpos don’t care. You’re just a number. Good for the people that are following their passion. As for the corp simps, you’re a major part of the problem.

[@RykonDragonix]

I agree with your commentary. I'd rather control my own compensation as a developer rather than have it preallocated before I am paid for my work and expertise. I also loath being punished for working quickly with more work. That just incentivizes me to work slower. If I got so much as a day or two off for completing work ahead of schedule I could easily get my energy up to work much faster on average. However, what I feel is the treadmill becoming a grinding wheel trying to file away my soul. No, I'd rather move on to work for myself and my own goals where I can use my "talent" for more fulfilling projects rather than to line someone elses pockets on decisions they repeatedly botch just to waste everyone's time going nowhere. Keep telling it like it is man. We don't have to be negative all the time, that's not what it's about. It's about being honest with yourself and moving ethically towards a fulfilling way to make a living without the corporate crap. Good luck and God bless.

[@Ramon609]

I fully agree with everything Joshua said in the video.. people be coping and malding so they just retreat into their ever so fragile bubble and go to their fantasy land because they got to huff more copium and ignore reality at all costs 😂

[@TheAceInfinity]

Yeah if you work for Google chances are they would've asked you to relocate to the bay area. All you have to do is look at what the cost of living is for that area, it's not cheap! I figure a lot of these comments are from the younger audience that have yet to work as a developer in a corporate setting. I love programming, but I think it's also pragmatic to understand what the reality is.

[@chasingsunsets87]

Yup. And as someone who had to deal with consequences of that company being arrogant enough to "fly the smartest people" from everywhere so that once was $800 a month shit hole apartment is $2300 (no air conditioning btw! ) I do not consider to be smart as a local observing insecure desperate professional really thinking this corporation is the answer. Google is literally and has been destroying what many of us once call home.

[@sergiuszwinogrodzki6569]

I mean, the lad was correct that soft skills are also absolutely important. But it's totally true that in the end of the day, none of that matters. They would just let you go as everyone else.

[@ilovekettlechips]

You said nothing wrong at all. Especially alot of those benefits. Majority of new grads don't even TOUCH those benefits until maybe 5 years into their careers.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

4:12 Is that the guy that tells me how i 'should be terrified that that i'm taking the long path to coding, instead of the quickest route', at the beginning of your videos?!

[@Wrigggy]

can we please just normalise 20 hour weeks for like 50k? we have to choose between flat out all week working for 100k, or unemployment. why is tech so all-or-nothing?

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

Joshua, thanks for the laughs. If there is one thing that is certain the only benefits you want from a W2 is : Work from Home, Medical, vision, dental, life, and disability insurance. The rest is money, as for a side hustle.....4,000 to invest in crypto would be money better spent. By way way, my mercenary fee to job hop is 180K atm. Full time remote, with standard benefits. I am a merc, happy to pull the trigger to bigger income. Screw the so-called free dinner when you get that kind of cash.

[@trouaconti7812]

Josh, thanks for making what you're making. I always felt this but guess what, I continued to be a slave in this system, had a corp job and all that. What I can tell you is that I did the absolute minimum and saved money to quit. It cost me many years of my life and a bit of my sanity but that's just temporary. Once you break free you feel truly free. You are lucky to have escaped this system so young. Your future looks bright no matter what you choose to do

[@phanta5m]

software developer are as exhausting as manual labor , of course, you sit and struggle with ton of request

[@msport4769]

If you’ve ever coded or worked on software or databases it’s mentally exhausting and draining. When I was designing schema for a small relational database it took several hours and afterwards I literally took a late hour plus long lunch with the approval of my boss and I’m glad I had that kind of flexibility. Wasn’t making anywhere near 6-figures but I can totally relate. Unless you’ve worked in software you have no idea how mentally taxing these jobs are. Totally agree with Josh’s comments. Working in tech is basically like being an investment banker on Wall Street. Equally lucrative, equally intense, equally short-lived for probably most.

[@jimmiejohnsson2272]

High salaries and nice perks are great and all, but I think it just comes down to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Most of these position put people at a constant level of stress. And when your constantly stressed you dont sleep good and you dont feel very good. Your also constantly feeling like your missing out on another important need - time spent with friends and family. No money in the world can replace this. If your making a high salary and still dont need to deal with stress and lots of office hours, a lack of purpose can really eat away at you as well. Spending your life building some tech for high frequency trading might not be what you feel your life should revolve around. Lots of ppl get this wrong and think ppl in tech who get a good salary are spoiled and unworthy, but they just dont see the backside of this kind of stuff and just how bad it can make people feel.

[@senorfrog5605]

damn those comments... the people down there are crabs in a bucket.

[@Tempshadow]

I worked grunt jobs like janitorial and stocking for places like walmart and other retail stores. I've flipped patties at restaurants, and have worked outside for many hours at a time in freezing and burning hot weather. All at 7.25 an hour. If I was lucky I'd sometimes see as much as 10 an hour. They all pushed the "we are family", walmart offers stock....sometimes....no PTO, no sick days. Needless to say, I'm excited to graduate from CS and finally work in the environment my fellow millennials are walking away from.

[@DerDop]

Perks are tax deductible/exempt(at least in Europe, and some idiots don't know that).

[@axymyxa6021]

I think common sense did not cross the ocean into North America during colonization. ....also why willingly work for a tech giant in the first place? Its like Joining the French Foreign Legion.. It's GOING, TOO, Be, A, TOUGH, JOB! Don't go into that area of work if its not for you.. Now the Jungle Training in French Guiana that's a Team Building exercise -Tough it up, rise the ranks and maybe change policy in the work environment.. -start your own business. ie Get a truck to suck out septic tanks from cottages, and make money off the richies you won't have perks, health, dental, no bean bag, the truck will need repairs, insurance, etc -work a common job with no real perks and see what the greater population goes through -does the world really need big tech companies anyway? really all the apps are turning the population into drones of whiny money chasers. Everyone want to make the next blockchain crypto nft of the week and get rich quick. They watched Start Up and now they know how the world works... - and for the love of Escoffier, PLEASE adopt the Metric system fully and you will be happy -use your code for you not them

[@DerDop]

@@axymyxa6021 ? Your point

[@axymyxa6021]

@@DerDop there are many

[@DerDop]

@@axymyxa6021 your point isn't valid, tho. This issue with tax evasion masked into perks is common in the EU also.

[@axymyxa6021]

@@DerDop my point is totally valid when someone is simping for a drama channel. can you not hear the double speech. Total sociopath manipulator. nothing but bad advice. Doesn't follow through..Where's the ASMR channel? or the Multiplayer shooter? out of his 900 + videos theres like 5 minutes of non BS.and your point??? yeah big companies have power, they can do lots of what they want.. do you prefer tax evasion or 100+ people get layed off... You name drop Europe yet you probably don't know how Europe actually worse... Maybe by buddy in Lappeenranta, Finland can explain it to you..

[@Shogoeu]

When someone says "but you get a lot of equity and stock options", makes me sick - yeah, you offer a lot of these, but there's usually an clause in the contract that binds me to the company for several years, before I can even use a fraction of those.

[@DiarrheaBubbles]

My favorite fake perk is "Unlimited PTO". In California your vacation time is part of your salary so if you quit or get fired they have to pay you for your unused PTO. This also means that if your PTO has a cap, any time you would accrue more PTO they have to actually pay you for the PTO you're unable to bank. Companies expecting high turnover use "unlimited pto" to mitigate vacation pay. The reality is that your work load is virtually infinite, you'll be lucky if you get an honest to goodness 3 day weekend.

[@a0nmusic]

this needs more publicity - so many people get lost in the new religion that is overworking and not demanding what you're worth. I also left a 6 figure job with 12 hours a day to do my own thing and it was the best decision that will impact the rest of my life for the better.

[@MatheusKlSch]

"Why Millennials Are Leaving Six-Figure Jobs" bruh I left my 5 figure job that demanded 6 figure skills

[@gameon2000]

yeah, typical capitalists - suck you dry, (try to) give nothing in return!

[@laverdadbuscador]

@@gameon2000 capitalism is good. Cronie capitalism is bad. Supply and demand goes both ways. If there isn't enough people willing to do a job supply and demand dictates you need to pay more. The idea that cheap labor has to be perpetual is a clear lack of understanding into human behavior.

[@riel0563]

@@laverdadbuscador That and if you allow yourself to be sucked dry, then it's your fault and not someone else's. If someone is willing to do a 200k job for 50k and they do it good enough, why would anyone say no?

[@Supernautiloid]

@@laverdadbuscador Capitalism = cronyism. They are two slightly different flavors of the same tyranny.

[@icecactus11]

@@laverdadbuscador crony capitalism doesn’t exist it’s not capitalism it’s something else

[@orrenboyle2814]

I’m so fucking tired about hearing about corporate “families”. I’ve never wanted feel like my job is a family. I like to have friendly relationships with my colleagues, but that’s as far as it goes.

[@chknchkn6385]

how true, your only duty is to do the job well, and be pleasant, cooperative, and friendly to work with.

[@altanetluke]

Say this kind of stuff on Reddit or other forums and you get downvoted to oblivion for being so "negative". I want to be cordial with my coworkers, but we all know that as soon as one of us leaves the company we are working at we probably won't ever talk again. It's like when you graduated from high school and everyone moved away. You might keep in touch with the closest of friends but everyone else moves on.

[@EddieNotFound1]

And when things go wrong, these so called "members of your family" or "friends" end up trashing you with your superiors, betraying you or blaming you for everything, i.e: not reaching an impossible deadline in time.

[@GuidetteExpert]

There way to brainwash you.

[@NapsAndNoodles]

Every job I have had that said they were like a family turned out to be awful with terrible management and unhappy employees. The only exception was the company that hired me but then never brought me on, so I guess I technically never saw what working there was like! They gave me an offer letter, onboarded me, set me up for orientation, and then... never scheduled the actual orientation. Radio silence from them. It was the pandemic, but still. I had to track HR down myself, found out my HR contact had left, managed to contact her supervisor, and then found the position had been canceled. They didn't tell me, I had to get it out of them. Insane.

[@KevtechITSupport]

People quit a job because the environment is toxic, the pay sucks, and there no room to grow and you don't get anything for your hard work. Making money is good but you shouldn't be working long hours and you should have time for yourself. It's so hard to find a decent company. Everyone wants you to work but no one wants to reward you.

[@soulseeker1651]

This right here.

[@TheBadFred]

Companies are not welfare. They only pay you the bare minimum, including perks, to maximize profits, as long you generate those profits for the investors and CEOs. If you have rough times, burn out or other health problems, that massages can't fix, you are gone.

[@hellfire92837]

@@TheBadFred Hence being a mercenary is completely justified. worker : company = company : worker

[@halweststar]

No company wants/cares for you to live

[@sharmarkehersi7237]

Your 100% right Kevtech and I love your channel.

[@Dana_Art]

What people dont seem to get is that Joshua only brings awareness to these kind of corporate traps, to make you work more. This week at my college we had an animation studio being presented to us, and they used the words "disruptive" "young" "diverse" "dinamic" without actually talking about how the studio works itself, all of this put into a very nice video showing the people. I was laughing while thinking " if it wasnt for josh i would have fallen into this trap" , and by the looks of my classmates, they were thinking the same. So, thank you Josh for making these videos, im in the animation/videogame industry, but now I can see a pattern with these companies. Thank you

[@jahedullah1]

Exactly

[@citizenearth71]

Well said!

[@Ami-jb5re]

Agreed

[@farihmuhammad8838]

Can't agree more..

[@kolacao8134]

Is like the startup slang...

[@tomcartwright7134]

I’m a boomer. I remember a time when we were told that computers would make our work lives easier. What happened is management piled the work of three people onto one person. Automation has not made the work easier, but instead more demanding and stressful.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

I saw a meme about the government adding a 25th hour to the day and companies trying to figure out how they could get people to work for that extra hour.

[@aluisious]

Anyone who said automation was going to make life easier never understood the point of capitalism. The rich get their wealth from exploiting labor. No matter how much easier work gets, they'll just twist the laws to make us work more.

[@aeterna_victrix]

My employer offers "Unlimited Paid Time Off". I got a "talking to" for using it. My boomer manager straight up told me we actually only get three weeks. It's a bait and switch.

[@asadb1990]

yeah i got a talking to for leaving early even though i came early. after that, came in on time and leave on time. and my boss during a review notes im not dedicated. i was like wtf

[@DanEMO592]

@@asadb1990 that is trash, I am so sorry you have such a shitty manager

[@chasingsunsets87]

LOL and my favorite response from Managers when I call them out on their dishonesty they always say they are management therefore they can do what they want...

[@asadb1990]

@@DanEMO592 yeah stuck around way too much thinking dude is mentoring me when in reality he had me stuck in my role. and when he got promoted because his boss retired, he lays me off.

[@asadb1990]

@@chasingsunsets87 yeah my boss bragged he had "put in his dues" and as such could do what he wanted but people at my level needed supervisor approval.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

"We had someone like you and team morale was terrible" Yeah it couldn't have anything to do with the team being mismanaged, not appreciated or not paid enough; it must have been the guy who dared to point out the obvious.

[@dafonline]

Or being fed with corporate claptrap :/

[@benjaminmitchell7141]

Lol ignorance is bliss

[@theamici]

There's a saying: don't shoot the messenger

[@alxcbalx2524]

I agree with morale stuff, but this is a blowoff, maybe he wasn't shouting out then but now he does. Attitude makes job better, I agree, only that, when the time comes for you to have to look at life for what it really is, that everything is beautifull when they have their value is respected, just be aware you will want to blow off then. Life is a bit more than "programming is my life" that some of the kindest people in the industry will push and look for. The truth is that, even if you stay out pass working hours. it's still worth having some time watching stuff here and there, analizing what you did, what you undestand, trying to understand more, taking some thinking momentum and using it to look at the world. This makes your mind even more hole and it's not unlikely that you can get an even better thinking as you brain is equally fed (with information and what you hunger for). Pressure is good, it gets you moving, but you need to expand out of it. And mind evolves and expands the same way as muscles only grow back when you rest after physical effort. It needs freedom or removal of some of the constraint, it needs good stuff and also some of the stuff you long for, good or not that good that are rest as much as sleeping is rest. And we do live in an industry where we are trained to solve problems and think. It's not unlikely to get to some conclusions just because of this kind of training. The more you are pushed to the limit, the more pronne you are to redraw in your confort zone where only what you want or long for resides.

[@lavellelee5734]

@@dafonline speaking of claptrap how about the scandals of borderlands and gearbox 😂

[@TheAbhorrent1]

Honestly tech was never my "passion" just something I could see myself doing for a long time. Mainly I wanted to use the high salary to fuel my other hobbies/endeavors

[@JoshuaFluke1]

this

[@jeff6413]

Yes. I bought into the "follow your passion" mentality then realized a career should be something you at least don't mind doing. Getting paid for a passion or hobby would just make you hate it.

[@kamil4151]

@@jeff6413 What is your passion then if you do not mind me asking?

[@jeff6413]

@@kamil4151 Sometimes politics, although that becomes exhausting. Helping family members organize their bills / make things run more efficiently. Although it's a skill that is helpful in daily life, I don't wish to monetize it. I have an on again-off again interest in cults and how they manipulate people. I fell into the trap of the Landmark Form (a self improvement pyramid scheme) 21 years ago. I have wanted to learn what red flags to look for so I don't get sucked in again. I also have a cynicism for American corporate culture so the algorithm started recommending Joshua Fluke's videos. He covers both topics frequently.

[@kamil4151]

​@@jeff6413 Well that would be rather complicated alternative career path :) My plan (while I am passionate for tech, 13 years in development/consulting freelancing), I have an alternative myself, but its in the realms of beachside coffeeshop/bookstore thing, with emphasis on the beach and warm climate.

[@mattandheathergoben6050]

I'm not a millennial. I've been a software developer for over 20 years, and this guy is absolutely right... about all of it.

[@JodyBruchon]

If you're willing to pay $140K for a remote job where the person lives in California, you should pay me that for the same job regardless of my personal location. That's what the job is worth to you, so pay it.

[@tkdevlop]

Sadly that's not how it works

[@jaanisk606]

@@tkdevlop Isn't that discrimination ? I'd like to see them explain why in court. When you are paying two equally qualified employees differently based on their location, there is no justification for that.

[@JodyBruchon]

@@tkdevlop But that's how it should work. Why should my pay be dependent on my monthly expenses? If the job is worth $140K, that's what it's worth. My location should be irrelevant.

[@aomorgancool1775]

@@JodyBruchon in our exploitative capitalistic system employers pay you as little as they can get away with. They pay people in high cost areas more because people ask for more money because of increased living expenses.

[@よろしく-u5l]

@@aomorgancool1775 isn’t it fucked up how companies everywhere just pay us all the bare minimum for us to survive so we can keep working for them? Basically these companies are compensating us for our skills they’re compensating us for our lives.

[@cgdev6112]

I love the folks that are like, "But I like my free food and ping pong table. It's not always about the money." when the company almost 100% certainly weighed the results reported from other companies of giving $X in raises vs spending $X/4 on bulk catering and found that the cheaper catering gets approximately the same result or better and so the 3 suits who figured that out got a raise out of the savings. It's absolutely about the money. The PR campaign for ice cream parties on your birthday or unlimited PTO has worked great, because they've bought more of your labor for less than the rate at which you told them you sell it, and here you are defending them as they pocket your cash. You want catering? Get 20 employees together and put together a catering order with the actual money they pay you. FFS.

[@HartleySan]

These "perks" operate the same way the insurance racket... errr, I mean industry does. They know that most people will never actually use the perks (for a variety of reasons), so they save a bunch of money that they'd otherwise traditionally pay out as a salary while still getting the positive publicity.

[@BTrain-is8ch]

I don't care for that cult-like crap some employers do to keep you in the office/on campus on the cheap but it's not "your cash". No one said there was a give the money to you option on the table.

[@cgdev6112]

@@BTrain-is8ch That's really a matter of how you view your pay and the the value of your "perks" vs the value of your work. Let's say you value your work at $100k USD, your pay is $80k, and the company perks are worth $15k (just for round numbers with the understanding that these values are definitely different). Either the company is pocketing $5k of the value you assigned for your work or you suddenly decide your time and expertise are worth $5k less. You don't make more when they eliminate perks, so when the $5k in catered lunches gets cut under new management, the company saves money and you either need to accept that your effort is now valued at $90k vs the $100k you started at or start looking for someone who matches your personal valuation. At what point do you feel that the value of that compensation stops belonging to you?

[@BTrain-is8ch]

​@@cgdev6112 In your example your services are worth 95k not 100k. Your time, like all other goods, is only worth what you can convince someone else to buy it for. If I think my time is actually worth 100k I'm not even considering an offer that's 90k + 10k in perks. 100k + 10k in perks? Ok maybe because that offer satisfies my actual demands but not the alternative. I don't think this problem actually exists in reality or at least not among most of the workforce.

[@steyraug96]

@@BTrain-is8ch "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" (Google it, it's not an attack, it's an example of controlling the frame of discussion. Basically, by controlling the options, you control the person's behaviors. If they say No, they're still beating her; If they say yes, they DID beat her; if they refuse to answer, they're combative and hiding something; if they say it's an invalid question, they';re argumentative and hiding something. Like asking a kid what they want for breakfast, cereal, or eggs? The option to not have breakfast was never an option.)

[@FlightX101]

Jeremiah is a liar saying he's willing to work 120 hours lol...As someone who does accounting at an investment bank our quarterly ends can be hell. Around 100 hours. Trust me after 60 hours you won't care about the "extra money" you simply want to go home and relax. Please don't willingly work that much for a company

[@bh844]

Banks are the worst. The number of hours screams too much work, understaffed, and poor processes. This is a perfect example that systems in 2021 have not helped its made working environments worse!

[@lifeartstudios6207]

I push myself like 90 hours a week average for my own company. Sometimes you just got to do it to carve out a place for yourself. I won't have to do it forever, but man it is certainly killing me.

[@steyraug96]

@@bh844 I have to disagree on the processes bit. The processes are meeting their goals! Which are basically, make improvement impossible, insulate management from the problems, make the peons work more and harder and longer to get anything done at all. Yes, I work at a bank. Yes, I'm a cynic. Yes, they need CN- in their diet... There is no progress without cleaning out the problems.