'This was our dream home:' Sanibel residents return to destruction

[@ScottDJohnston]

I can't believe the way the reporter just throws someone's memorable items on the ground...

[@briannajimenez9358]

Right !!

[@cindypaulhus3701]

I actually thought the same thing shame shame

[@gmoo1376]

Clean efforts begin

[@kimberlyterenzoni8451]

Thought the same thing! Seriously

[@VoteForBukele]

I know he shoulda stolen it 🫤

[@janetpattison8474]

My parents lost everything when their new, mountain top home was hit by lightning & burned to the ground. They were burned & just barely escaped. So much to be thankful for, if u get out alive.

[@Cgh432]

Omg that's terrible glad they are okay 👍

[@MissValdostaFeedAndGrain]

That tacky reporter just tossing the bag of greetings cards was classless. Seriously, lady?? Have some respect for someone’s else’s memories!😡

[@turqoiselove1]

Yes! That bothered me too.

[@hazztv6317]

It bother me too. No empathy.

[@sabrinaalston1243]

Those cards have sentimental value to someone these people lost family and everything and that disrespectful act that reporter did and not to mention where were the life jackets for the ride that should have been offered for them show some class before picking up a camera telling a story while littering Sheesh!!!

[@pattycarol5191]

I didn't like that either. I hope she went back and picked them up later. They could get a story from them too since I know that's all she cares about.

[@Bucknastyy]

Triggered ❄️

[@callicordova4066]

I love Sanibel, have visited and stayed there 3 or 4 times. But I would never live there. Such places should be made into parks and recreation areas where people can visit and maybe camp at so that hurricane/flooding damage is not destroying people's homes and businesses and taking lives.

[@Truth18143]

Well said 💯

[@ItsMeJessMarie]

Or if you live there know you are literally in harms way come hurricane season...🤷🏼‍♀️

[@michaelh3075]

Government should not have the right to tell someone they don't have the right to live by a beach. Are you kidding?

[@ellenbedford3888]

As sad as it is - I have friends and relatives who also lost a lot in the hurricane - it’s stuff that can be replaced. A friend who was a twice breast cancer survivor, and lost it all including her job said - she is blessed. She has her life.

[@billiebuffalo]

I understand why people say this, because it’s true, but I still find it a bit heartless. It is a lot easier said than done…to brush off your life as worthless material goods. You can’t replace photos, digital archives that are damaged, heirlooms, family momentos. Even a spare bedroom that may not have valuables in it, to see it trashed or destroyed, is hard. Don’t dismiss others’ emotions.

[@ellenbedford3888]

@@billiebuffalo I’m just saying what those who lost everything have said. They know it’s stuff and some things can’t be replaced - but they are alive and you can’t replace your life.

[@carolinerothenberg3982]

I'm so glad these ladies are alive. Even though devastating, it looks like they have a lot to work with in rebuilding. Sending love and prayers to all who lost their homes. ❤️🌹🌴

[@Needglory23]

You can’t have a “dream home” in FL… You know at some point it will be flattened by a hurricane, just a matter of time….

[@libertywatcher1247]

That isn't true.

[@coolmtnman1]

too effin stupid to figure out why we have wetlands

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

I have an amazing home in Florida. And the previous one here was built in 1976 it’s still here. Been through many hurricanes.

[@EmmaDee]

@@libertywatcher1247 I’ve had to bite my tongue while reading many of these comments.

[@Cgh432]

You sound like my mom lol

[@mdleweight]

Sanibel was a beautiful place during my childhood 60 years ago, before it was developed with housing and commercial construction. It was heartbreaking to see it a few years ago with all of the buildings, traffic, and restricted beach access.

[@What2B]

Mike...Dredging barges, then seawalls, then McManaions on every inch of coast 💔 SMH

[@haroldmclean3755]

I do wish those people affected the Very Best of Luck , My Goodness

[@billrobbins5874]

Heartfelt sadness for all. Life is what is most important over all.

[@brianprice4820]

Don’t make Florida a place to buy a dream home 😢😮

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

Maybe the Midwest with tornadoes? Or California with earthquakes? Maybe northwest with wild fires? Northeast with blizzards?

[@ga6589]

@@FollowingtheCliffNotes I live in the Midwest and have experienced quite a few blizzards, but not one ever destroyed my home or washed it away. I waited it out by hunkering down by a warm fire and then plowed us out when it was over. I've only seen one tornado in 68 years and it never touched the ground. Also, a tornado is relatively short-lived compared to a hurricane and covers far less territory. A hurricane not only brings relentless wind and rain, but the storm surge. Some places are simply inherently more risky for humans to inhabit- like a barrier island on the Gulf Coast.

[@michaeljones7483]

Guess what you no longer need to tell people you own the beach! It's in your house. Enjoy it. We want bother your precious beach!

[@josharmour1549]

"And here, someone's memories...possibly the only thing they have left undamaged, oh well, not theirs..." proceeds to slam it to the ground. Absolutely zero empathy for anyone unless it gets click on video. typical CNN reporting

[@sweetolives2467]

Fox reporter would have definitely not done that. 😱

[@eviljesus6111]

@@sweetolives2467 THEY WOULDN'T HAVEEEEEE

[@josharmour1549]

@@sweetolives2467 don't know for sure, but we can be certain a CNN reporter would..cause she did.

[@StacysSoCalledLife]

Sanibel has always held a special place in my heart. My parents used to take my sister and i there for vacations in the 90s … the best vacations were always in Sanibel. Its always been my dream to get married on the island and to 1 day retire there. Its still my dream to this day. Sanibel will come back stronger than ever and I can’t wait to go back to my fave place in the entire world. The photos are heartbreaking but things can be replaced people cannot be

[@coolmtnman1]

a beautiful wetland destroyed by greedy humans

[@felixthecat2786]

Castles made of sand fall into the sea. Don't build your dream home on a sandbar

[@Westindiangyal1111]

"It's troubling to think mother nature is that powerful"? Mankind is at the mercy of the universe. Mankind and their earthly possessions can be swept away at any moment yet mankind thinks he is in charge..

[@NA-OK]

I thought the same dam thing! How could you not know Mother Nature is that powerful and more. Mankind is nothing compared yet you’re correct mankind thinks it’s in charge and that is far from the truth.

[@sandib9558]

No homes on sandbars

[@drchamp1902]

I’m shocked that people are surprised when they buy or build houses in a V flood zones and then get flooded. It’s difficult of course but have some understanding of what you’re doing. If you drive around Bonita beach and look at newer homes, pay attention how high the AC units sit, that’s the flood level, can be 11-13 feet from the street. Which is why you can’t have living spaces below the flood level. The fact that the older homes have survived until now is a miracle. Majority of realtors in Florida don’t understand the flood zones or refuse to disclose any information. It’s up to a buyer to understand.

[@drchamp1902]

Most of costal Florida is only 3-6 feet above sea level, on both coasts

[@ajohn67]

Glad to see I’m not the only one who noticed the way that reporter threw down those cards and film negatives…. Crazy insensitivity on display😢😮

[@info781]

The whole island is a garbage dump at this point

[@donate1sttt]

Bless you ladies. We pray 🙏 for your all. I'm glad you are alive. Faith over fear. Thank you newsgroup for the hard work you've been doing and for your dedication. Watching from Southern Iowa.

[@yoyo8303]

COULD PRAYERS STOP IAN?

[@derrickgonzales3771]

I'm jumping for joy when nature takes back what is theirs 💙. It really is beautiful 😉

[@traylestrat]

You built your dream home on a barrier island. Nuff said.

[@coolmtnman1]

too effin stupid to figure out why we have wetlands

[@elenamaria8063]

😢I wish and pray for the best for them! ❤❤❤

[@wendystjean4678]

That reporter picked up a baggie full of 60th birthday cards and then just throws it on the ground like a piece of garbage. Why not look at the address and see if you can return it to the owners. I'm sure they would love to have those mementos back. She's despicable!!!

[@belamoure]

Horrible I was horrified I thought exactly like you! Why not trying to send it to their owners with all the s adresses etc. in it. Rude barbaric person.

[@jenjem5810]

Maybe it's so overwhelming . Maybe she will take those negatives and cards with her. She was mid filming a broadcast. You and I weren't facing the destruction. She might have retrieved them. Again, there are restrictions on taking people's personal effects. Respect and Bless any reporter willing to go in, brave the sludge and muck, exposed to the health risks of damaged properties, to bring back a glimpse for ALL to get some perspective.

[@jenjem5810]

Harsh snap judgement on a woman taking the time to showcase those items. Perhaps it was recognized by the owner. Unbelievable how harsh the conclusions drawn. No. I would not term this lady reporter Despicable. Shameful hostile comments.

[@jenjem5810]

@@belamoure rude and barbaric are the snarky remarks targeting this woman, in the graphic scene, wading through muck, to get out on the news the reality of this tragedy. Nobody knows that she didn't set those negatives apart, and cards, and carry in her backpack along with her heavy gear. Bizarre shameful hostility towards this reporter.

[@wendystjean4678]

@@jenjem5810 relax troll.

[@stephaniedixon8299]

Terrible how the reporter tosses other peoples personal belongings on the ground as she does the reporting. Heartless.

[@tiamariza7348]

That is crazy. Mother nature is so powerful!

[@leanneadams2549]

I don’t like to see ANYONE hurting but these are millionaires with huge insurance margins ! Some people were left with only the clothes on their backs !!!! So I don’t know 🤷‍♀️ but when I go help those will be the people my heart goes out to most of all !

[@dh2682]

cant believe she just threw those items down,how utterly disresectfull

[@SKA-vi4oz]

Bet she loses her job!!!

[@jenjem5810]

Keep in mind this reporter noted the items,their value. It's a warzone. More Respect for her doing her job, which is highlighted that some things survived. Perhaps the owner is beyond grateful to view their bag of cards.

[@bmcbg]

Sad to see but when you live on an island in the gulf you have to expect to get hit by a hurricane one day. Sorry for them and wish them the best. That CNN reporter could have been more respectful of people's properties. Instead of throwing them down she should have kept them and tried to find the owners. Typical CNN

[@pleiku887]

So you bought a house by the ocean in a state that gets hurricanes???

[@libertywatcher1247]

Natural disasters can occur no matter where you live. Why not live in paradise?

[@coolmtnman1]

too effin stupid to figure out why we have wetlands

[@hoosierbaddy3052]

@@libertywatcher1247 and where is this mythical Shangri-La paradise? Don’t say Florida! Land of horrific hurricanes, mass shootings AND the freaking snowbirds!? Oh but no for the sunshine state being paradise.

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

@@hoosierbaddy3052 maybe the Midwest with tornadoes? California with earthquakes? Northeast with blizzards? Northwest with wildfires? I guess everyone just leave USA natural disaster is too scary.

[@ga6589]

@@FollowingtheCliffNotes I live in the upper Midwest. I've seen only one tornado in 68 years and it never touched the ground. We do have blizzards once in awhile, but my home has never been destroyed or washed away. I can stay hunkered down and wait it out by a warm fire and plow myself out when it's over. The reality is, some places are inherently more risky than others- volcano, earthquake and hurricane zones are examples. That's why insurance premiums are so high in those areas. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that building a home on a sandbar along the coast is inherently more risky than building much farther inland. Furthermore, the swamps and mangroves of SW Florida, which was nature's way of absorbing storm surges, has been destroyed by overdevelopment.

[@xebxeb19]

Every Florida resident knows the risks. They choose to take that gamble. It will happen again. Build for hurricanes and floods, or take the risk.

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

That’s why the majority of homes on the islands are first floor garages and other useless stuff. Theirs had an apartment installed. But for the most part the real living quarters don’t start till the second floor.

[@mwlvranken]

Nobody should be building homes on these island's! These are barriers (sandbar's) that are always moving! Erosion in one place, settlement in an other. These island's are the perfect natural barrier against these storms. rebuilding is everyone's mindset, but mother nature will strike again one day. And it's not going to end well for everyone

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

@@mwlvranken except dredging goes on in Florida all the time to restore the size of the coast.

[@mwlvranken]

@@FollowingtheCliffNotes My country is fighting the water for centuries now. And Florida really needs some Dutch engineering to help with water management.

[@dbro5430]

Remember Mother nature is in control at all times. We are at her mercy.

[@janicedekker3743]

Prayers to you both !! 🙏🙏🙏

[@FREEDOM195844]

Unfortunately when you get flooding in the first floor with salt water you have to gut the whole house because the mold and corrosion goes everywhere! Really sad and I feel somewhat guilty because had it come to Tampa bay like the path originally showed I would have been completely wiped out! Really feel for all these people because I had a home destroyed by Hurricane Charlie in 2004. It’s a long process to get restitution as I had to hire an adjuster and pay him 10 percent of what I received. Originally the insurance company offered me 32k for a waterfront home that was pretty much destroyed. The hurricane occurred on 8/13/2004 and I finally got the bulk of my settlement in April of 2005! If it’s like it was then your on your own. All the political talking points are just that lip service!

[@janityy]

Being psychic than u should ureself get out now and just leave florida as these will keep coming . Sorry for ure loss but take this as an omen get ure valuables and sell and walk away now before the next one hits !!!!

[@V0YAG3R]

@@janityy Yeah, he should move to fifth world, dystopian glory 🕳 s like San Francisco, Chicago, Oakland, Baltimore, Los Angeles, East St. Louis, Detroit, New York, Port Au Prince or Johannesburg. Tras de ladrón, bufón.

[@Jazzykatt23]

I went through Charlie as well. We were so lucky to have been in a rental while our home was being built. The landlord took care of the rental and the builders took care of our home since we hadn’t closed on it. We had won the lottery in that situation.

[@josephhoman8602]

Really sad..Really is..32k for a waterfront home!!!

[@coolmtnman1]

there's a reason we have wetlands..get woke

[@davidmellet261]

Want to live in paradise there's a big price for that

[@libertywatcher1247]

I hope they're going to try to find the owners of the pictures and cards. She just dropped them on the ground as if they were just more trash.

[@niknik2687]

It’s moldy garbage, who cares? They are alive, that’s what’s important.

[@rhouse4958]

So sad but its a chance you take living so close to the water. My ❤ goes out to them.

[@libertywatcher1247]

The 'but' negates your sympathy.

[@coolmtnman1]

too effin stupid to figure out why we have wetlands

[@hoppas77]

No matter where you live on earth you take a chance every day.. Not only are there natural disasters including where you live but there are meteorites...why are you still taking the chance and living on earth?

[@ga6589]

@@hoppas77 There are greater risks in certain places, such as earthquake and hurricane zones, as well as river flood zones. The barrier islands were never meant for human habitation. They are nature's buffer and protection of the mainland during storms. Unfortunately, overdevelopment has destroyed much of the the natural environment, including the swamps and mangroves that were meant to absorb much of the storm surge. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that building a home on what amounts to a sand bar on the coast could end up being a costly mistake.

[@hoppas77]

@@ga6589 So many perfect people living in perfect places. You should humble yourself before karma does.

[@jenjem5810]

So sorry to know the distress this has brought. Brave reporter braving Sewage, Snakes, mold to accurately portray the devastation, While armchair critics blast her. SHAMEFUL. Barbaric and disgusting Disrespect.

[@angeladomann-bolduc5077]

Praying for all people who has been affected by the hurricane.

[@michaelsmalley9755]

Yea because prayers are going to help us rebuild...

[@sipapito]

There's an address on that packet of cards she drops it like it's just trash, who cares right, what's important is to report the drama, and wait, a low-level apartment on an Island? is that permitted?

[@keilafleischbein59]

man, what are the odds of a hurricane in Florida? inconceivable. man, better build your dream home somewhere else next time, just in case another hurricane might show up in Florida. I know the odds are super low, but it could happen!

[@V0YAG3R]

Delete your wannabe pseudo-edgy, pseudo-irreverent, pseudo-badass account.

[@marv6013]

I can’t stand when these people ask “ how do you feel?” I want to smack them

[@belamoure]

No imagination aLWAYS THE SAME SAME QUESTION IT DRILLS FIRE IN MY BLOOD!

[@AGM-ts5bb]

So, so sorry for the loss of their home. I can't imagine.

[@hoosierdaddy8002]

Been going to Sanibel for years and this is heartbreaking.

[@Earl_Larson]

Soo many Homeless that also lost their Jobs..! SEWAGE Everywhere..! WHAT NOW..? Not to mention Public Health..!

[@mkm44]

Yeah those people are gonna have a real problem maybe tens of thousands homeless no insurance on their property probably living on Social Security or pension, because the problem with the insurance companies, down in Florida the companies weren’t writing insurance they just left the state, they just went bankrupt with all the claims.

[@Scrapy-ih7ob]

Rule one for reentering any structure after storm. SNAKE BOOTS, and some sort of deterrent device. for critters, and the filthy criminals who prey on the weak in the time their distress.

[@auburnjewels2]

"Our island...our beach"? The house was a death home not a dream home. Because of residential development it is now a biohazard wasteland not fit for humans. Smh.

[@PoxyBear]

Seriously? How callous of the "CNN reporter" to just toss down someone's camera negatives and the bag of birthday cards. How about respectively setting them aside and creating a Sanibel Lost and Found so that the rightful owners have a chance at recovering them? Horrendous!😡

[@kennethrevenge5849]

She set them aside right in the lovely dirt dum dum

[@jenjem5810]

She set them apart. Nobody saw her toss on mud. There could have been a tarp there. She could have placed there to allow for someone to see. Very narrow minded individuals spewing tacks at this lady. Her job, while wading in Muck, is to survey, showcase and report on the tragedy. No time to tell viewers how she's handling this. Snarky darts are very mean. She wasn't being unkind at All. She could have created a pile of same, And it could be going in a backpack. Wow, what a wave of nasty remarks.

[@jenjem5810]

Creating a lost and found might have been behind her selecting those items She found, plucked out And noted on TV Highlighted what they were.

[@Pickles67]

So so sad…. My heart and prayers go out too you all. 🙏

[@EastmanEditing]

Please get those cards back to the owner or owner's family. Also the negatives. Can't imagine how sentimental those are...makes me upset to see them thrown carelessly back on the ground again. There are several facebook groups for reuniting owners with their lost items due to Ian.

[@jewelswilliams6532]

I could not believe how the reporter just threw that packet away!

[@itsallmyfault264]

have your reporters be more respectful. The way she just tosses what may be the only belongings/memories that someone has left is rather insensitive. 🙄🤨

[@videorocketzmillar007milla5]

Why would a person build a home knowing hurricanes come every year? Receipe for a disaster.

[@petersmith7140]

Ok, but you have insurance to replace the "stuff" or if you dont, you understand the risk of where you live.

[@michaelmatwijiw3045]

The price you may have to pay

[@litt222]

Y'all knew this was eventually going happen

[@heidim6468]

So sad that they did not have the house about water level.

[@belamoure]

You mean above on stilts like it is the custom in Old Florida.

[@cindypaulhus3701]

I am so sorry

[@ohthatpaul]

Hang in there, Julie and Vickie! You're not alone!

[@bobjeffrey8863]

Yes it,s sad and horrible, BUT at least they still HAVE a house to clean and fix up,, They got lucky

[@dedhead9322]

They put their dream home on a sandbar in one of the most hurricane prone locations on the planet. That's like feeling bad for people who build their dream homes in flood plains, or next to rivers that flood every year. It's like feeling bad for the people who scuba dive with sharks when a shark bites their face off. Everyone thinks every inch of land should "belong" to someone. Ok. Here's your prize....

[@stevensims3342]

When she just throws the birthday cards on the ground 😮

[@jradcliffe4968]

You all new their was high-risk, you pays your money and takes your chances . Go figure !

[@glendahartwick9252]

I hope someone takes the cards and finds the owner...it may be all they have left maybe they can salvage some of them

[@jclpuddy]

At least their house is still standing and hopefully they have insurance. Rebuild

[@coolmtnman1]

destroy the homes and rebuild the wetlands

[@playghurl_dymund]

I hope they have insurance as well. I was told that only around 20% had insurance so I'm wondering if it will remain wrecked fir several years since so many people can't rebuild.

[@jcohen985]

What stood out most was the way the reporter completely discarded someone’s personal valuables! Why couldn’t she take them and try to find the owner! Not really there to be helpful I guess …just the story… how disgusting!

[@info781]

There will be 100's of huge garbage containers leaving the island

[@leticiasalas3878]

So sad 😢

[@frankbullitt4556]

Best of luck ladies.

[@user-oz7bx4tx8e]

We have got to do more re Climate Change

[@info781]

There are1000's of condos on Sanibel, most of them are probably fine.

[@markwilgus7434]

ohhhh I am so sorry.

[@chewie2055]

Well don’t live on an island 🤷‍♀️

[@katewade9992]

At least their house is standing.

[@mcdeigo]

if "remarkably their house is still standing", that must also mean "unremarkably others houses are flattened. what's the point of saying "remarkably"?

[@janh5199]

I hope that reporter tried to salvage the cards and negatives instead of just leaving them there like trash.

[@joycewatersboisvert400]

You knew florida has bad storm you took a risk

[@thestones8022]

everything should be up on stilts; its going to happen again..

[@FixItYerself]

did they think it never flood there? 😆 🤣

[@Anne_Kinney]

No life preservers used on the boat. :-(

[@litt222]

You built your dream home there?Are you crazy ? You knew this would happen eventually.

[@HarleyDavidsonVince]

What in the pea picking pied piper do yall expect? That is a small duckpluckin is-land. Yall are lucky it still exists! Count your jack shaming blessings.

[@auburnjewels2]

🤣🤣🤣

[@oceanchicns]

While this IS a sad story, I despise how these news channels try and draw emotions out of us. While at the same time just tossing family memories on the ground like garbage, to quickly move to the next heartbreaking shot lol.

[@hobman]

She has less respect than a looter....I love how my earlier comment got deleted. So much for free speech.

[@BeautifulSpirit-kf5ld]

She threw them because it is staging. Props. Storm: yes , actual ruins: No. Reporters aren't allowed anywhere that still has recovery ops. When are people going to get it!?? You are watching A SHOW. produced for ENTERTAINMENT, RATINGS AND $$$$

[@loraneville5899]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@lindaleehulsey3167]

Just THROW SOMEBODYS BIRTHDAY 🎂🥳🎉🎈 CARDS & PHOTOS like JUNK???? Reporting NO RESPECT. ☹😤👎

[@marlenedawnsandford1150]

Move back to Jersey

[@Cheznrice]

Wow so smart build your dream home on an island where hurricanes are going to come every year!

[@Cheznrice]

@@hobman While 2020 was the busiest hurricane season ever with a record 30 named storms, 14 hurricanes, and a record-tying seven major hurricanes, 2021 was the third busiest, with 21 named storms and seven hurricanes, four of which were major.

[@FollowingtheCliffNotes]

There’s different natural disasters in the entire country. ​ maybe the Midwest with tornadoes? California with earthquakes? Northeast with blizzards? Northwest with wildfires? I guess everyone just leave USA natural disaster is too scary.

[@miguelbruguera2603]

How unprofessional this abc is garbage

[@janh5199]

If you are referring to how the reporter treated the negatives and bag of cards, it appeared to be a CNN reporter.

[@yoyo8303]

A VIETNAM LOOK OF FT MYERS FORGET ABOUT HOUSE. IAN DID A JOB ON FLORIDA.

[@entertain402]

a warning to all alphabet people of the great wrath to come

[@orchids3332]

Have you seen Detroit?

[@tonimartucci7367]

And she just tosses them…

[@katjay3125]

The wages of sin is death

[@tdbama1819]

My thoughts go out to all the south Floridians.. However, as horrible and sad as this is, is it really any surprise? Are the folks who live on the coast in hurricane prone areas really shocked to see this? Its like the people in Hawaii who build their homes next to an active volcano, then wake up one morning wondering why they have lava in the living room. This is just Mother Nature taking back what is rightfully hers. Its happened before, it will happen again. Those barrier islands have no business being inhabited by full time residents. Did they not think this was a possibility when they decided to buy/build a house on a barrier island in the Gulf of Mexico?

[@libertywatcher1247]

Like you said natural disasters happen. But, they can happen no matter where you live.

[@sandib9558]

Very sad

[@josegomez7051]

Saniven?

[@Jessica_PMHNP]

💔

[@Truth18143]

I am sorry but even the scriptures say not to build your house on sand. It's not mother nature it's father YHWH and IAN WAS JUDGMENT FOR LAWLESSNESS!! WE ARE IN THE END TIME. REVELATION IS HERE. REPENT YAHUSHUA IS COMING. THE BIRTHING PAINS ARE GETTING CLOSER TOGETHER.

[@simosck3572]

Its heartless to throw this birthday cards and negatives away. They seemed to be o. K. and maybe can give back