Raw Footage of Lockerbie Bombing Aftermath - Margaret Thatcher Visits Pan Am 103 Crash Site (1988)

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@WildFlaccid
@WildFlaccid 3 ай бұрын
Hearing the press giggling amongst themselves and bossing the police officers around in a situation like this is just absolutely unbelievable
@EE12CSVT
@EE12CSVT Ай бұрын
Why do you think the press are depicted as rats?
@bartman9400
@bartman9400 Ай бұрын
Anything for that story I guess, there like that all the time.
@theflowerwhosavedtheuniver5658
@theflowerwhosavedtheuniver5658 Ай бұрын
That's the British press for you. For them life carries on, it's just another story.
@mockbattles
@mockbattles 24 күн бұрын
Vulchers
@Westhamsterdam
@Westhamsterdam 15 күн бұрын
You spend hours on end on a cold winters day in a field!
@johnmac4261
@johnmac4261 Жыл бұрын
how obnoxious the press were that day
@zm321
@zm321 Жыл бұрын
To hear laughter from some of the press is a complete lack of respect.
@InYourHeadChangedMan
@InYourHeadChangedMan Жыл бұрын
Shouting at one of the Police officers to get out of the way of the camera shot is a total lack of respect who do they think they are?
@Gez-C
@Gez-C Жыл бұрын
Much like today
@mrdeathgaming1457
@mrdeathgaming1457 Жыл бұрын
How ignorant you are in 2024. It was a product of it's time. You are the wokerati? Scared of your own shadow. Don't worry when you are 50 plus you will realise.
@bmused55
@bmused55 4 ай бұрын
They care only for being the first with any sort of information. Then and now.
@Moody13553
@Moody13553 Ай бұрын
My schoolfriends dad was a Sergeant in Lothian & Borders Police at the time. He was called to the scene & described absolute horror. Bodies in trees, some still in their seats & bodyparts everywhere. Not sure how you even begin to get over that.
@seltaeb9691
@seltaeb9691 Ай бұрын
Morbid humour, that's how. There was no 'counselling' then, as a Veteran, it's a release mechanism.
@ukqwerty999
@ukqwerty999 Ай бұрын
@@seltaeb9691 They end up in court for that these days. Left needs a clearout.
@poppyrowland1385
@poppyrowland1385 28 күн бұрын
You don’t get over it…but eventually you absorb and move on. Forever changed.
@unropednope4644
@unropednope4644 22 күн бұрын
​​@@ukqwerty999bringing left wing politics into this? Really? What's that exactly have to do with dealing with getting over trauma? Please tell me with a source someone that ended up in court for having a morbid sense of humor when dealing with a tragedy. I swear Dems and the left live rent free in MAGAtards headsl😂😂😂. I thought you 1diots would chill since your r@pist leader won the election but you all have gotten more defensive like you know you all fu?ked up😂😂
@Westhamsterdam
@Westhamsterdam 15 күн бұрын
Nothing not seen in WW2 with the V1´s & V2´s.
@azjoe_6310
@azjoe_6310 Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how raw emotions still stir by just watching this. I can't imagine the after effects of seeing this in person after it happened.
@traceynorcross5666
@traceynorcross5666 11 ай бұрын
You’d be surprised how resilient people are when dealing with these situations it’s like you put on a imaginary mask which you can only take off when your out of that enviroment
@TheSavagederek
@TheSavagederek 3 ай бұрын
I saw the devastation around a week after it happened . The place was in a state of shock , and although a lot of it had already been cleared up , there was still stuff everywhere . The wrecked houses , the huge crater etc... the bodies were taken to Lockerbie town hall for identification, the youngest only a couple of months old , I'm sure 20 were children . Absolutely devastating and tragic . I visit the area around once or twice a year , but haven't been in Lockerbie itself for a few years now . There's a remembrance garden there , that is worth a visit . Very serene place , with a definite atmosphere .
@azjoe_6310
@azjoe_6310 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSavagederek Ironic that I just returned on 10/14 from a 2 1/2 week trip to Scotland and made the visit to both sites in Lockerbie. I couldn't find a cab so I trekked the 6 miles roundtrip to the country church with the memorial. Even though I am 61--I felt I had to. One of the passengers was born one day before me and I kept my years since December 88 in mind as I walked the country road there. After that I wasn't sure if I would make it to the neighborhood memorial but I did have time before me train back to Glasgow. I am really glad I took a day to pay respects at both sites. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
@SpookyElectric319
@SpookyElectric319 15 күн бұрын
@@traceynorcross5666that didn’t happen, my father was in this video, he was part of the clean up team. He was an army vet, and police officers with many years of service were left in tears. That never left him, or them. Many had to take early retirement and many suffered from PTSD and mental health issues after this.
@SpookyElectric319
@SpookyElectric319 15 күн бұрын
⁠@@traceynorcross5666that didn’t happen though. My dad was with Strathclyde Police then, they got to call to scramble to Lockerbie, and scene of absolute devastation met them. He and grown policemen were left in tears with what they saw. It never left him, nor them. Many had to leave or take early retirement due to mental health issues and PTSD.
@StephenLuke
@StephenLuke 4 ай бұрын
RIP To the passengers and crew of Pan Am Flight 103 and the 11 people on the ground
@Picosto
@Picosto Ай бұрын
That number 11 has an eeerie symbolism
@StephenLuke
@StephenLuke Ай бұрын
@Picosto I know what you mean, also here are the names of the eleven people who were killed on the ground: Kathleen M. Flannigan (41) Thomas B. Flannigan (44) Joanne Flannigan (10) Dora H. Henry (56) Maurice P. Henry (63) Mary B. Lancaster (81) Jean A. Murray (82) John Somerville (40) Rosalind H. Somerville (40) Paul Somerville (13) and Lynsey A. Somerville (10)
@elrodjenkins
@elrodjenkins 13 күн бұрын
True story folks, we lived in West Germany from 86-91, as my father was in the military. There was an issue with the house they had in the states, and he needed to fly back to try and get it situated so they didn’t foreclose. In the very early morning of December 21st, my dad, mom and brother headed off to the airport to catch the flight. Before getting on the autobahn heading to FRA, my dad stopped at a local Esso gas station to fill up as it was a long drive from baumholder to Frankfurt. Once he filled up, he got onto a one lane road (in each direction) and was stuck behind a slow driving trash truck. He got a bit impatient and decided to pass it. As they were along side of the truck, it then turned left (to go into an alley way) and struck my dad’s car, sending him spinning around a bit. No one was hurt, just the car was banged up. he was not able to make it to the airport to catch his flight, Pan Am flight 103…………..
@DOCTORDROTT
@DOCTORDROTT Ай бұрын
scumbag media, no respect. May the people rest in peace
@davidtozer802
@davidtozer802 Ай бұрын
No respect Vultures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Highlandersbrave
@Highlandersbrave 22 күн бұрын
Absolutely they where knocking on everyone's door for a story about the locals who died .. this is all nonsense if she actually went into Lockerbie and walked over dead people then I'd have respect but army cadets where picking up body parts absolute nightmare to this day
@darrenlawson6017
@darrenlawson6017 Ай бұрын
I was never a big fan of Mrs. Thatcher but I wish she was PM now the country wouldn't be in half the mess it is now with the week pathetic government we have at present.
@joanne26
@joanne26 Ай бұрын
Sadly the Conservative Party are ‘toast’ The 120 MP’s now are career politicians and not many are over 50 if not 40 and they are what we called ‘wets’ back in the 80’s I voted Reform for some reasons but mainly immigration I watched this on TV as it happened 36 years ago I was 23 then 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧🇬🇧
@poppyrowland1385
@poppyrowland1385 28 күн бұрын
She would be making it worse…don’t kid yourself.
@MrMrliamo
@MrMrliamo 27 күн бұрын
I t was her that starter the emigrants entering the uk
@jrphartley
@jrphartley 19 күн бұрын
Do you think perhaps you'd also know the difference between week and weak.
@darrenlawson6017
@darrenlawson6017 19 күн бұрын
@ oh so sorry a typo mistake I must be more careful
@key412ful
@key412ful Ай бұрын
A good friend of mine from my days in the RAF is from Lockerbie and no one ever spoke to him about that fateful day due to our respect for him and for what he encountered that night and for those that perished.
@jg6059
@jg6059 11 ай бұрын
This footage just shows the kind of people who work in the media .. laughing and joking .. horrible bastards ..
@pauld5433
@pauld5433 6 ай бұрын
vermin, just looking for their first scoop of a story
@CARLIN4737
@CARLIN4737 4 ай бұрын
Then and now.
@Sirtomalot-c5s
@Sirtomalot-c5s Ай бұрын
At least media was the media back in those days and not some radical far left woke, biased communists!
@malahammer
@malahammer Ай бұрын
Do you not laugh and joke at work?
@Leediverify
@Leediverify Ай бұрын
@@malahammertime and a place
@MS-19
@MS-19 12 күн бұрын
It's remarkable to have this glimpse of Margaret Thatcher in her capacity as a caring, mother-figure, which has been remarked upon by some who've written about her but rarely transmitted by the media. She was clearly stricken by the sight and spoke compassionately. Whatever one might think of her policies, she had a truly human touch.
@theodorajuskiw5283
@theodorajuskiw5283 11 күн бұрын
Any person would be grief stricken
@OrbvsTomarvm
@OrbvsTomarvm 9 күн бұрын
i now . god how we mis her . da cuntry is in sa rite stait now ./ she will put dis rite if we vote her agen is dat rite
@smokingspitfire1197
@smokingspitfire1197 8 күн бұрын
If you know anything about how she treated the families of Pan Am 103 and Lockerbie after this you’d retract that statement in an instant..
@OrbvsTomarvm
@OrbvsTomarvm 8 күн бұрын
@ lol
@MS-19
@MS-19 8 күн бұрын
@@smokingspitfire1197 Mrs Thatcher told colleagues the Government would make “an appropriate contribution” if a fund was opened. An emergency fund was announced by the local council that same day and then Transport Secretary Paul Channon told the Commons “the Government will contribute in the normal way”.
@nickthomas181
@nickthomas181 13 күн бұрын
A friend of mine Ian lived in the row of houses just down from this field. On the night he remembers hearing the explosion the people on his street thought it was the petrol station in the village( Lockerbie) as his row was just outside the village. As he came out of his house he remembers the rain it was raining aviation fuel you could taste it and smell it then the heavy bangs that were happing all around him and his neighbours these were the body's some neighbours were hit by them but avoided serious injury. He said when they hit the tarmac they kept on going and sunk through it. The house at the end of the row was Ella Ramsie I believe it was a council bungalow there were 21 body's of the students of Syrocuse University. They were on her roof in her garden she even had to step over the body of a boy to enter her gate until she asked for it to be removed. Ian told me it was the farmers wife who got to the cockpit a stewerdess was still alive. The FBI turned up before the emergency services he remembers a big black car pulling up by the gate to the field there were men in dark suits got out he said they were dressed strangely for a shity night in the Borders in winter. They took a briefcase from the cockpit the captain had been carrying on the flight personally with American intelegence high level stuff. They removed it from the cockpit even though its a crime scene under Scottish Police and nothing is supposed to be removed without there authorisation. They were challenged they identified them selves as FBI to someone a policeman I belive they refuse to acknowledge the locals it was only when things got hostile towards them that they left I. I belive the lone PC was sent to allow them to leave without being shot the farmer and couple of others had shotguns on them. The PC was a special constable remember they were stretched he arrived on foot no backup vehicle he was dropped off and no radio well he had one but couldn't get a signal on the police radio just static that happened then. The Americans were pissed and unimpressed by the police response. The special constable was shitting himself because the locals were armed he was on his jack Jones he had to use the phonebox to ring for backup the police had no idea the cockpit was there it was dark everyone was in Sherwood Crescent. The FBI have no authority outside of America yet they arrived before the emergency services. The PC didn't stop them removing the brief case. They left the scene and area it was taken to an American airbase and flown out of there. The hapless PC is on a payphone trying to get help the firebrigade turned up at that point they used there radio in the fire engine to bring police ambulance and mountain rescue and mor firebrigade to the scene they brigade was pressed to its limit. More only arrived latter after being brought in from as far away as Penrith they were scrambling emergency services from all over the North of England as the Borders emergency services were the smallest combined force in the UK. The used the nuclear power plant disaster plan to deal with the downed plane. This is one they'd all trained on many times and had just recently had a combined services excersise full drill with locals playing dead and injured the Lockerbie happened and the locals were dead and many injured for real. My friend Ian went deathly pale telling me this trance like as he relived it. We worked at Senetor desking company a friend Jimmy had Ben fitting desks at the aircraft crash investigation center in Farmbourgh this was around 2009 and one guy there showed Jimmy the fuselage of the Pan Am jet in a hanger pieced back together. The words Pan Am were now faded but viable it was like a jig saw but it looked like a complete plane with bits missising. There was a large piece of black plastic like a large bin bag tapped over the hole underneath again clearly viable this were the bomb had exploded it had blow a jagged hole in the plane. My friend Ian told me he was from Lockerbie and that night if happened after I told him what Jimmy had seen. It was still there because the case for damages against Lybia was not settled at that time.
@aiglonducal314
@aiglonducal314 8 күн бұрын
Ever heard of freaking paragraphs? 🙄
@BossySwan
@BossySwan 5 күн бұрын
TLDR
@MrPantss
@MrPantss Ай бұрын
What shocks me is a lot of people think it’s half the cockpit when in fact that is the whole cockpit and half of it is completely crushed underneath what you can see, just awful, really awful and for what!?
@jamesinbradford5882
@jamesinbradford5882 Ай бұрын
Were the pilots found inside?
@MrPantss
@MrPantss Ай бұрын
@ yes and first class passengers who sit in the nose below the cockpit. Still relatively in tact in their seats. Shocking stuff really.
@lorne2405
@lorne2405 Ай бұрын
The flight crew were actually still in the cockpit.
@seltaeb9691
@seltaeb9691 28 күн бұрын
This all stems from one fact, the recreation of Israel in 1948. For centuries the Palestinians have lived & farmed in that land. When in 1948 Britian let 1000s of highly armed Jewish people invade Palestine & just stole the land, farms, villages, killing any resistance which was farmers with very old weapons. They were driven off their lands farms which still goes on today. With Gaza they now have more land with a cost of 50,000 dead majority women children old men & not forgetting hostages. Settlers continue to take land & will divert a farm stream so that a Palestine farmer can no longer farm without water, if they try to stop it they are killed. No wonder there's such hate & Israel exists by the US providing arms of the highest tech. If Israelis had sat down with the Palestinian people in 1948 to work together but Israel wants no one but Jews on that land, the orthodox ultras don't want Christians either & smash Christian cemeteries.
@unropednope4644
@unropednope4644 22 күн бұрын
​@@lorne2405no they werent, they were found in their seats but got sucked out. They were found in a field near the cockpit.
@timtapscott8737
@timtapscott8737 Ай бұрын
My bosses wife’s sister was a student at Syracuse and was in the plane. Very sad. Beautiful family.
@exactsame
@exactsame 12 күн бұрын
I flew that very plane 18 months prior on the very same route with two friends from University We had a wonderful summer in America Never in my wildest nightmares could I have imagined such a tragedy It was horrific and like 9/ 11 changed the world forever My heart goes out to your boss’s wife’s family
@jennybroad1763
@jennybroad1763 Ай бұрын
This IS raw, and the more poignant for it. It brings it all back. I woke early to feed my 6 month old son, and turned on the tv....hell on earth. May they rest in peace.
@Highlandersbrave
@Highlandersbrave 22 күн бұрын
Same I seen the new drama and had a breakdown it's so real
@paulhathaway6292
@paulhathaway6292 17 күн бұрын
I flew on that exact aircraft. Thatcher was a real leader. You can't get anyone in power to ever show up in a disaster scene these days. Might hurt their brand.
@aarongray3976
@aarongray3976 16 күн бұрын
Its been proven that the UK government were aware of this threat and still let it happen.. what a real "great leader" she was.. 😂👀
@ColinH1973
@ColinH1973 24 күн бұрын
3 people were still alive after hitting the ground, but unfortunately they were too far gone to be saved. I believe that one lady actually said a few words before she passed. A total tragedy.
@DaveShortt
@DaveShortt 16 күн бұрын
I was working nights when this happened, i could not believe it, and looking back at Maggie who i personally disliked but now looking back admit that this country needs a leader like her!!!
@langdale55
@langdale55 15 күн бұрын
Whit?!!
@rogerhargreaves2272
@rogerhargreaves2272 Ай бұрын
I vividly remember this terrible day. May the victims rest in peace.
@trafman100
@trafman100 2 күн бұрын
I was at Lockerbie that evening as a serving member of the RAF . Due to my role at that time,as I saw the initial news flash I grabbed overnight gear and headed into work. Within a few hours I was in Lockerbie and right from the start everyone knew we were dealing with the worst terrorist attack in UK history. What a senseless tragic loss of so many innocent lives . The randomness of how we can cease to be , no more so than the locals killed on the ground. I still regularly think about the poor souls I saw that night and following two days. Strangely apart from the film like scene of such large sections of aircraft amongst houses , an engine embedded in a road, it was the haunted faces on the police officers and fire rescue staff that has stayed with me the most. Those folk had no real get ready time to prepare for such a task, this was their patch and in some cases their friends and family. The presence of TV news crews , familiar faces of presenters. The attendance of the PM Margaret Thatcher and Prince Andrew just added to the surreal weirdness of that first night and the next day. A lot of time has passed always meant to return to Lockerbie to see it back in more normal times but to date I never have . I do still wonder about how the residents of Lockerbie who lived through that time, now process and deal with their losses and memories . Thoughts of the families of those on board . Lockerbie is etched on my mind as such a tragic momentous event, I also served in the Falklands in 82 but thankfully I am wired up ,not uncaring or cold far from it but able to deal with such things. I am at times not so keen on many of those who I share this planet with, anyone who is so cowardly to engage in terrorism , taking out truly innocents is about as low as you can get. RIP to all who were lost and thoughts to those who were left to cope with their grief or impact from that night .
@olentangy74
@olentangy74 Ай бұрын
I had no idea that Mrs Thatcher inspected the wreckage close up the way she did. An amazing leader.
@andrewmcdonald793
@andrewmcdonald793 29 күн бұрын
In your dreams, she only went there to make her look good, the truth is she looked after her own kind and made them richer and what she did to the miners was terrible, you people saying what a great leader must have been the same as her, I am not a fan of the ira but i would not had shed a tear if they had managed to blow her up in the hotel back in the 80,s and she hated us Scots, so we couldn't care less about her.
@JohnnyPaton
@JohnnyPaton 24 күн бұрын
Apart from ruining British society, selling off our national assets and destroying working class communities…yeah, amazing leader.
@Highlandersbrave
@Highlandersbrave 22 күн бұрын
Amazing what ? Why was she even there at the easiest place out of the full disaster while in the town we where pulling bodys out of roofs she didn't even represent us in Hague because she knows the truth she's a wicked wicked woman she knew fine Iran did it and the Fleming case
@JoshIngramMusic
@JoshIngramMusic 14 күн бұрын
"An amazing leader," is such a widely delusional statement that you should have your head checked.
@funkstrummer2151
@funkstrummer2151 Ай бұрын
Nobody ever believes me, but I saw this happen in a dream. I was 8 years old. I'm now 44, and it still freaks me out to this very day.
@shirleydrury5565
@shirleydrury5565 Ай бұрын
I believe you ! I’ve had dreams like you have to my friend❤
@stevet7369
@stevet7369 Ай бұрын
I believe you, because on the evening this happened I also had a dream that a plane crashed into our house. I remember the dream vividly and waking up to see the terrible news on breakfast tv. I was 12 at the time, now 48.
@shirleydrury5565
@shirleydrury5565 Ай бұрын
@ when I was ten years old i had a school swimming lesson at are local baths it was a Wednesday. When I was getting change I after the lesson I had a premonition that the sport centre was going to burn down!! Early hours Thursday morning it did. Thankfully no loss of life but still very scary for a ten year old!! So you are not alone my friend! I believe you because I’ve been there!! Regards . That was 1980 and I’ve had more sins that!! I no that some people my not believe but that’s because they have not had these premonitions!! Thank you for your reply👍❤️👍
@XX-yz6hu
@XX-yz6hu Ай бұрын
I believe you. When I was 17, I dreamt about Concorde crashing, and the next day it did. I’m 41 now, and it still freaks me out when I think about it.
@shirleydrury5565
@shirleydrury5565 Ай бұрын
@@XX-yz6hu we all have a for site I believe but some stronger than others❤️👍👍
@alexevansuk
@alexevansuk Ай бұрын
If there's one thing about her. She was honest when asked the question regarding to what was already known "We never discuss inteligence, ever".
@alisonwildman6485
@alisonwildman6485 4 ай бұрын
I’ve been to the memorial garden and the memorial in the cemetery, it’s very emotional, I’m thinking of going back on the anniversary
@TheSavagederek
@TheSavagederek 3 ай бұрын
I've not been for a while , but it is an emotional experience.
@kennymaclaurin3683
@kennymaclaurin3683 Ай бұрын
I was young when it happened, 6 or so but still remember it clearly on the news with Lockerbie around 2 hours south from me Always wanted to visit and people would question why I think its personal the closer to home or is
@martinfreekie7659
@martinfreekie7659 10 күн бұрын
I visited it a couple of years ago while I was passing through. I didn't expect to moved by it all as much as I was.
@royferguson2297
@royferguson2297 Ай бұрын
I flew from New York in the plane, there were two Swedish stewardesses looked after us they were killed terrible incident.
@krashd
@krashd Ай бұрын
I worked with a guy who was in the army and had to help with the clean up, looking for body parts and bagging them and labelling them, he never went in to detail about the things he saw, just that it really affected him. A really nice guy who was a lot of fun to be around but any time Lockerbie or bombings or any of that sort of thing came up in conversation he'd just be silent, likely hoping that the conversation would move on to something else.
@williamrae9954
@williamrae9954 13 күн бұрын
My mate was there too...how I found out about the heroin...one huge cover up...guess how the bomb missed the scanners?
@suzyq4982
@suzyq4982 15 күн бұрын
Pure evil - rest in peace innocents 😢
@PhillRobinson
@PhillRobinson 16 күн бұрын
Oh look, a proper PM.
@Weeeeezzzyyyyy
@Weeeeezzzyyyyy 16 күн бұрын
Absolutely.
@Andyclish-Salamandingo
@Andyclish-Salamandingo 12 күн бұрын
MT was a ABSOLUTE EVIL CORRUPT MONSTER, a complete utter disgrace to the UK. Worst ever PM in history by far - FACT.
@WPM-bm2cs
@WPM-bm2cs 8 күн бұрын
This country would not be in the state that it is in if Maggie was still alive. Can you imagine what she would do with all these drud dealers and boat people coming in from France. She would sort them.
@josephlambe2796
@josephlambe2796 Ай бұрын
Jackals that was what the Press were in those days, shame on them for trying to out do each other..
@beccarmagie
@beccarmagie 7 күн бұрын
I’m from a small town near Lockerbie, born a few years later. My parents and family remember vividly and took us to the memorial garden many times. This was on my father’s 42nd birthday, I appeared on the scene when he was 49. I left Dumfries and Galloway 14 years ago, though I don’t often miss it, I sometimes watch this footage and other Lockerbie interviews to hear the accents of home.
@apollosaturn5
@apollosaturn5 Ай бұрын
It's amazing that the CIA was able to track down the terrorist who made the bomb by a piece of an electronics board smaller than the tip of your thumb.
@beefchops1400
@beefchops1400 Ай бұрын
Aye…remarkable!
@douglasb5046
@douglasb5046 Ай бұрын
@@beefchops1400wasn’t the CIA.
@riabright2815
@riabright2815 Ай бұрын
You people are dangerously asleep & would believe ANYTHING "they" tell you
@MyPropertyChannel
@MyPropertyChannel 29 күн бұрын
It wasn't the CIA, it was the staff at Fort Halstead, Sevenoaks, Kent that worked to find all the details of the bomb, even down to it being hidden in a transistor radio, which was wrapped in an orange tee shirt in a suitcase. They even identified the shop where the shirt was bought. I worked there during the investigation, but not on that case. They were the world -leaders in explosives. They also investigated the Aldwich bus bombing, the bus was taken there for analysis
@eddiebingbong7977
@eddiebingbong7977 29 күн бұрын
I hope that’s sarcasm as I’m sure it is.
@Ashley_x_Smith
@Ashley_x_Smith 10 ай бұрын
Has to be one of the most haunting images I've ever seen... Despite the debris being spread over many square miles they still found a tiny fragment of circuit board the size of a finger nail which was all the CIA needed to find the perpetrator. As the explosion occurred at 30 odd thousand ft its nothing short of a miracle and testament to the crime scene detective's, shame the same attention to detail wasnt observed after 9/11 rather than shipping out vital evidence.
@dutchy1176
@dutchy1176 10 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that maybe the fragment was never on the plane to begin with. Libya was likely thecperfect scapegoat at the time...
@pauld5433
@pauld5433 6 ай бұрын
@@dutchy1176 haha you conspiracy theorists are something fucking else
@dutchy1176
@dutchy1176 6 ай бұрын
@@pauld5433 don't be so surprised. Everything about Lockerbie is still sketchy. It's still unclear how the bomb suitcase even got onboard. The wreckage of the plane is still stored in a rural English scrapyard to this day. Why is that? The evidence part was reconstructed right after the event, yet the rest of the remains have still not been destroyed.
@TheSavagederek
@TheSavagederek 3 ай бұрын
​@@dutchy1176what a bell end . They finally admitted it a few years later , so stick your theories where they belong .
@JohnJohn-zn8ib
@JohnJohn-zn8ib Ай бұрын
​@dutchy1176 what a laugh, free Palestine hey, bunch of misguided muppets running around like they have never seen war, snowflakes, who do you think wanted to blow up many planes, was it mickey mouse, have you heard of the Middle East?, do you know what terrorists do?, do you read?, maybe you don't because what you are saying is insignificant and bullshit.
@TheKingofDirk
@TheKingofDirk Ай бұрын
Those poor people
@JohnSmith-ii9ci
@JohnSmith-ii9ci Ай бұрын
Mrs Thatcher was superb with the press, what authority and class.
@trafalgar624
@trafalgar624 Ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 That woman didn't know the meaning of the word compassion
@ColinH1973
@ColinH1973 24 күн бұрын
​@@trafalgar624Your opinion
@jamesmorrison4581
@jamesmorrison4581 11 күн бұрын
​@@trafalgar624 Getting her confused with lying starmer.
@Fraserhunter-u6s
@Fraserhunter-u6s 15 күн бұрын
Thatcher came the morning after, i was a young punk then, i came out my house in Margaret drive and she sitting in the back of a black Daimler, she looked me straight in the eye, at that point id seen everything, when i got down to the center of lockerbie prince andrew was giving his infamous speech, hes always been known in town as "the second lockerbie disaster" true story
@englishmadcow7461
@englishmadcow7461 Ай бұрын
I hope victims are resting in peace. I remember holding my newborn son n being terrified of the world he was born in to😭🇬🇧🤢
@pamelabrumfield7679
@pamelabrumfield7679 8 ай бұрын
How did anyone come up with the title Raw Footage? Furthermore how could they walk around and laugh amongst themselves with all of the lives lost here? Ill never forget the breaking news of this horrible act. R.I.P flight 103.
@bmused55
@bmused55 4 ай бұрын
"Raw Footage" is an industry standard for footage that has not been edited in any way. It is as shot, warts and all. It's been called that since the silent movies, likely even before that.
@pamelabrumfield7679
@pamelabrumfield7679 4 ай бұрын
@@bmused55 thanks for the feedback!
@AlexMitchell-i1g
@AlexMitchell-i1g Ай бұрын
Indeed. I was 15 and off to school that morning. We had been through Lockerbie many times when I was a kid, we used to go fishing with my dad at nearby Loch Maben. I had also flown with Pan Am from Heathrow to San Francisco just a few months prior. This story really hit my family hard.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev Ай бұрын
Raw footage just means unedited footage
@PetrolHeadBrasil
@PetrolHeadBrasil 15 күн бұрын
Lady Margaret Thatcher and PanAm... we miss you both...
@jonhall9000
@jonhall9000 Ай бұрын
An enduring memory I have of that time, was a shot of two policemen walking across a field. It looked like they had been collecting the personal effects of passengers, and they were laughing together.
@davidcousins3508
@davidcousins3508 Ай бұрын
If you’ve ever had to deal with the aftermath of an incident like this,with unimaginable destruction of the human form you might realise that humour is an essential emotional release ,and not a sign of disrespect to those who lost their life.
@jonhall9000
@jonhall9000 Ай бұрын
@@davidcousins3508 I was describing a memory, that’s all. I wasn’t judging it to be right or wrong, so there’s no need for the lecture. Thank you.
@davidcousins3508
@davidcousins3508 Ай бұрын
@@jonhall9000 it certainly sounded as if you were making a judgement..it wasn’t a lecture but a statement of fact from personal experience.
@jonhall9000
@jonhall9000 Ай бұрын
@@davidcousins3508 I could also give you statement of fact from personal experience, but no doubt you’d find wrong in that as well.
@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494
@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494 Ай бұрын
whilst the press , media and big wigs were out on thier jolly sticky beaking , my friend was helicopter air crew they were tasked with searching for bodies , when they found them they landed and marked with a flag
@poppyrowland1385
@poppyrowland1385 28 күн бұрын
Are you saying EVERY one should have been searching and nobody reporting it to the world? Really?
@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494
@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494 28 күн бұрын
@@poppyrowland1385 HOW MANY DO YOU REALLY NEED ??? EVERY NEWS AGENCY GOT THE EXACT SAME STORY , IT NEEDED ONE TO FEED IT BACK AND NOT 1000S ,, A HELICOPTER CREW GOT INTERCEPTED BY ONE OF THE MAIN BBC REPORTERS WHEN THEY LANDED AFTER MARKING BODIES AND BODY PARTS , THINK IT WAS KATE AIDIE ,,, SHE ASKED MAY I HAVE A COUPLE OF WORDS ,, ONE OF THE AIRCREW REPLIED ,, YOU CAN HAVE 3 , F**K OFF C**T !
@graceschannel2247
@graceschannel2247 10 ай бұрын
I find it very unsettling that given the situation,finding humour would be the furthest thing from most normal peoples minds and yet you can clearly hear these imbeciles having a chuckle on a number of occasions. There is no justification for this.
@hadorstapa
@hadorstapa Ай бұрын
I'm not saying it was appropriate, or necessarily what was happening here, but you often find a lot of dark humour amongst people working at tragic scenes. It's a coping mechanism.
@eddiebingbong7977
@eddiebingbong7977 29 күн бұрын
Yea that’s true but come on. But having said that I think we all know by now a much much much higher percentage of the population is narcissistic and/or psychopath’s 50% my GP told me and that rings true in my experience.
@tectorama
@tectorama Ай бұрын
It doesn't seem like 36yrs ago
@NicholasKMHumphreys
@NicholasKMHumphreys 16 күн бұрын
The UK government and Reagan wanted to. Blame Libya to get rid of gadaffi ,but it was proven that it was not Libya
@dieselboy610
@dieselboy610 14 күн бұрын
Yep they wanted to convict someone to fit their agenda.
@dicemancolostrum7369
@dicemancolostrum7369 12 күн бұрын
All these years we suspect, this and many other similar events, were planned by mi6 and cia, nobody else...
@NapoleonGelignite
@NapoleonGelignite 12 күн бұрын
Syria planted a bomb in a shipment of CIA heroin coming out of Cyprus.
@TheGodParticle
@TheGodParticle 7 күн бұрын
I've been up close to the fuselage of this 747, I worked for Bristow helicopters back in the early 90's, and I was at the Farnborough Air accident hangar. The hangar was massive and the amount of wreaks there was frightening, even military helicopter remains to microlights, the Pan Am was held up in a giant scaffold. It was a couple of feet from me and the holes in the skin where the sudden depression ripped the outer skin from the rivets was frankly, upsetting to see, not many people have seen what I saw but god rest there souls.
@Ruvik92
@Ruvik92 Ай бұрын
My papa was down there at the time he was in the TA at the time and was sent to look for parts and bodys someone he knew stole valuables from the site and a couple of months later the guy drowned while fishing fishing weights got tangled around the guys leg and he fell overboard
@dogelephant
@dogelephant Ай бұрын
Karma. What a shame.
@Weeeeezzzyyyyy
@Weeeeezzzyyyyy 16 күн бұрын
@@dogelephantshe never forgets an address.
@OrbvsTomarvm
@OrbvsTomarvm 9 күн бұрын
dat is calmer . wat a sham is dat rite
@aeyb701
@aeyb701 Ай бұрын
Unrelated: Interesting to see a (-n American - made) Ford Bronco in the UK.
@carlbentley80
@carlbentley80 Ай бұрын
Probably belonged to the USAF, it was driven by a USAF chap. USAF brought most of their vehicles over to the UK for use on bases. My best guess it was probably a vehicle for use by some high ranking USAF officer from the nearest base and was bought along in case the Rover used by the US Ambassador wasn't able to access the site.
@lagonda77
@lagonda77 11 күн бұрын
Who are the people in the beige Ford Bronco at 8min24 following the official black Rover?
@jaymac7203
@jaymac7203 Ай бұрын
The strongest leader we've ever had!
@seltaeb9691
@seltaeb9691 Ай бұрын
She wouldn't have stood for the illegal migrants pouring over every week.
@margaretjiantonio939
@margaretjiantonio939 11 күн бұрын
I could never imagine how a monster could deliberately put a bomb on an airliner and kill innocent people. They had the nerve to justify it.
@StevieTurner-ry3kj
@StevieTurner-ry3kj Ай бұрын
What the hell they find so funny ?
@audreyperrin320
@audreyperrin320 28 күн бұрын
And that killer saying he had cancer and getting out and lived longer than he said
@alwaysalert1543
@alwaysalert1543 17 күн бұрын
He was framed, they made sure they had someone to blame, give the British public some relief.
@Highlandersbrave
@Highlandersbrave 22 күн бұрын
Drawing upon his previous experience at the United Nations and as Director of the CIA, and maintaining his refusal to apologise for the US Navy's destruction of the Iranian Airbus in July 1988, President Bush Sr then arranged for Muammar Gaddafi to be 'fitted up' at the UN Security Council for the sabotage of Pan Am Flight 103. According to British investigative journalist Paul Foot: "In mid-March 1989, three months after Lockerbie, George Bush rang Margaret Thatcher to warn her to 'cool it' on the subject."[
@richcolour
@richcolour Жыл бұрын
How come you're uploading these at 25FPS? Surely your raw footage is 50FPS.
@BlytheWorld1972
@BlytheWorld1972 Жыл бұрын
You sort of people are never happy .
@richcolour8632
@richcolour8632 Жыл бұрын
​@@BlytheWorld1972not true, I remember being happy one afternoon in May last year
@jg6059
@jg6059 11 ай бұрын
Who cares .. you horrible person
@positivepessimist6853
@positivepessimist6853 11 ай бұрын
🙄🙄🙄
@Chimp981
@Chimp981 10 ай бұрын
Why do you even care,🤡🙄🥱
@davidcurrie8564
@davidcurrie8564 Ай бұрын
I know that this was a Horrific & Tragic incident but why are they showing us Thatcher visiting the scene??? and the press what a shower of Vultures laughing???
@johnkauffman6347
@johnkauffman6347 Ай бұрын
This was a very sadistic thing to have happened. Total indiscriminate killings.
@994206
@994206 4 ай бұрын
There was obviously a need to keep the traveller fraternity, from helping themselves to the scrap metal, a bit like after the hurricane back in 1987.
@seltaeb9691
@seltaeb9691 Ай бұрын
The Press & police have to deal with lots of terrible happenings & they have to cope with it, me as a Veteran can understand the banter, which is never broadcast, you get this morbid humour to deal with it, but believe you me they will see terrible images that will haunt them. Its easy to snipe & be judgemental but you would soon fall apart if you were constantly emotional all the time. I dont excuse it, but I understand it.
@sarahyates6055
@sarahyates6055 11 күн бұрын
Minutes after the crash out on the fields the farmer saw two men going through suitcases, he was certain they were FBI or CIA……. How did they know so quickly? How did they know where to be ? What were they looking for or were they there to plant something? As the films and documentaries say, Nothing about Lockerbie makes sense and we certainly have never been told the truth.
@Ukfamine2025
@Ukfamine2025 Ай бұрын
Its crazy why they all had to visit a piece of broken aeroplane. Its a bit sadistic to go visit it like tourists.
@aljack1979
@aljack1979 24 күн бұрын
It captures certain things that pictures won't. As leader she will be pushing governments to give information and maybe judges in a criminal case. Hats off to her.
@JustAThought155
@JustAThought155 29 күн бұрын
What journalist would be so self-absorbed that he would distract the Prime Minister upon her first arrival at the scene of such a horrific tragedy??? Gosh! The journalism world MUST be reexamined and prohibited from EVER having access to a scene like this especially before inspectors and governmental officials have a chance to view the carnage. Yes, capture what’s happening but refrain from such invasive non-sensitive behavior. The journalists in this video are literally like death seeking vultures that HOVER and CHEER upon the sight of DEATH! And that is despicable! God help those families, even today!
@poppyrowland1385
@poppyrowland1385 28 күн бұрын
Hyperbole much? Settle down comrade! 👎🏻🙄
@JustAThought155
@JustAThought155 24 күн бұрын
@@poppyrowland1385, Oh. Okay. So, since you don’t like what I wrote and you don’t have the ability to simply scroll past a public comment without dictating what should have been said, what should I have written? As far as I know, my published comment on this platform does not require a review by an editor. Life is oh so short to troll public social media sites to correct people’s opinions. Gosh. I am recuperating after suffering cardiac arrest. I died two weeks ago and am now recovering. Seriously. Live free…or…die; it’s that easy.
@aiglonducal314
@aiglonducal314 8 күн бұрын
Hey? The journalists want to talk to the PM; what on earth is wrong with that? That's their freaking job. (Then, you can still think that journalists are complete clowns anyway, and I would completely agree with you.)
@DeeSorrento
@DeeSorrento 19 күн бұрын
My Deepest condolences to the families of the victims. I'M SO SORRY FOR YOU'RE LOSSES ❤ MAY THEY RIP 🙏 ❤
@nanookmoose
@nanookmoose 28 күн бұрын
Heard it and saw it. Also was working at RAF Carlisle and the recovery helicopters would land in the field on the other side of the A74 awaiting a slot on the pad or one of the car parks and then hop over our prefab building, sending anything not fastened down flying, continually for days. At first they were a novelty then they were a horror. Christmas ended on 21/12/88.
@TheRolexdronechannel-z8l
@TheRolexdronechannel-z8l Ай бұрын
I remember it well. Very sad
@hughjass2745
@hughjass2745 3 күн бұрын
American's look a lot less shocked than Thatcher, almost as if they knew this was coming...
@tobiojo6469
@tobiojo6469 Ай бұрын
So horrible and sad
@Nick-xi9lm
@Nick-xi9lm 7 ай бұрын
This was a terrible thing to happen. Then we have Thatcher & press turning up.
@chriswaring5565
@chriswaring5565 Ай бұрын
IT WAS A DISASTER MAGGIE THATCHER WASN'T ON THE PLANE AT THE TIME
@timwattison4419
@timwattison4419 Ай бұрын
Maggie was the best PM this Country ever had. Look at the shitester we have now 😮
@kegsmogsx2839
@kegsmogsx2839 5 күн бұрын
We’re the pilots still in there? Would they have died immediately? It really bothers me how long people may have suffered, I thought your heart would just give out with the initial blast??
@deejay-su7uf
@deejay-su7uf 28 күн бұрын
Not much has changed in the Middle East....!...worse if anything.
@sandiehutchinson9575
@sandiehutchinson9575 25 күн бұрын
They let the bomber out gone home still alive ...
@kyledon-r7i
@kyledon-r7i 11 күн бұрын
10:50 And the policeman just allowed that ?😂
@markjones-vx3kp
@markjones-vx3kp 28 күн бұрын
Look at the police in proper uniforms instead of health and safety vests my God !!
@aiglonducal314
@aiglonducal314 8 күн бұрын
Also, they're not obese blokes or diminutive women (or obese women).
@onethousandtwonortheast8848
@onethousandtwonortheast8848 Ай бұрын
She was an awesome thinker.
@Nigel-ef2ft
@Nigel-ef2ft 22 күн бұрын
Can't believe people were laughing at the scene. Disgraceful!
@edgarnewberry-cw4ld
@edgarnewberry-cw4ld 28 күн бұрын
And the Scott's let the bomber out of jail on compassionate grounds because he developed cancer. Well bomb making is a hazardous profession and health risks are high. The bomber got the last laugh by living over two years after his release...
@aiglonducal314
@aiglonducal314 8 күн бұрын
*Scots
@hartleyhare99
@hartleyhare99 4 ай бұрын
What a terrible way to die.
@rickhardman7376
@rickhardman7376 2 ай бұрын
They wouldn't have known much about it ... Never the less yes
@christianethic
@christianethic Ай бұрын
@@rickhardman7376 It wouldn't have been an instant death. The bomb was quite small causing a relatively small hole in the luggage compartment resulting in the plane breaking up under aerodynamic forces. The disintegration occurred at cruising altitude which means depressurization would induce hypoxia relatively fast but from the moment of the explosion to the breaking up of aircraft to losing consciousness I imagine that for all the victims these few moments felt like eternity and that they likely knew they were going to die.
@davidkavanagh189
@davidkavanagh189 Ай бұрын
@@rickhardman7376 They absolutely would have known all about it. Far more than a minute of falling towards the ground. Everyone in that nose section was alive until impact. Likely others too in the large sections.
@davidkavanagh189
@davidkavanagh189 Ай бұрын
@@christianethic It takes a bit of time too lose consciousness at that altitude and given how rapidly everything descended, it's likely many if not most were well aware of what was happening all the way to the ground. Awful way to go.
@christianethic
@christianethic Ай бұрын
@@davidkavanagh189 I think you replied to the wrong commenter but that's okay, yes from my understanding I believe you are correct.
@paul-ie6wi
@paul-ie6wi 14 күн бұрын
I was 16 and out in the big wide world in my 1st job in London in a college where there was a lot of American students, apparently there where a few on this plane 😢
@Subgunman
@Subgunman Ай бұрын
What with the Thatcher Circus? Another PR attempt? No respect for those lives lost.
@patrickrabion9473
@patrickrabion9473 Ай бұрын
Media’s a bunch of cheeky bastards…😳🤬
@minimaxi802
@minimaxi802 4 ай бұрын
Captain James McQuarrie.
@hartleyhare99
@hartleyhare99 Ай бұрын
@@minimaxi802 I wonder how he felt in that split second..
@rc70ys
@rc70ys 3 ай бұрын
Pompass Asses. Yuk
@jonjon9047
@jonjon9047 15 күн бұрын
She knew, bush knew. We will never know.
@annie482000
@annie482000 Ай бұрын
Wikipedia shows an image with a man's left arm and both hands poking out of the cockpit's fuselage. Horrible. On here it looks like the hole in the fuselage has been taped-up.
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan Ай бұрын
Er no. Wikipedia does NOT show that.
@andrewcharley1893
@andrewcharley1893 29 күн бұрын
6:24 folk be laughing 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
@DrCrabfingers
@DrCrabfingers Ай бұрын
Does anyone else remember the first televised images of the crash site? There were orthodox Jews walking through the debris looking for valuable items....this is before crash experts and police arrived. My sister and I still talk about it as we both watched it on the early news....we were scratching our heads tryng to understand why they were there. Maybe relatives had boarded with money or diamonds from Frankfurt or London, and these family members were looking for the packages. It is etched into my memory. Orthodox Jews searching the debris. Anyway, it was a disgusting attack on wholly inocent people.
@Mechanicalrob
@Mechanicalrob Ай бұрын
I lived in Lockerbie in the late 80’s when this happened, I can’t believe this as at the time in our small community there were only two Jewish families. It’s not New York you know!
@christianparsons6050
@christianparsons6050 Ай бұрын
How do you know that THAT was what they were doing from watching news clip?
@steve-vx3lx
@steve-vx3lx Ай бұрын
​@@christianparsons6050how do u know they werent
@englishmadcow7461
@englishmadcow7461 Ай бұрын
I remember too 😭
@JohnJohn-zn8ib
@JohnJohn-zn8ib Ай бұрын
@christianparsons6050 he doesn't, he's an idiot.
@deanstanley5799
@deanstanley5799 Ай бұрын
Nice early Rover 800
@Rich-bb5gp
@Rich-bb5gp 29 күн бұрын
I knew that'd get stuck. Mrs T and team, more sensible they got out and walked!
@patrickoleary2862
@patrickoleary2862 Ай бұрын
Thatcher doing her usual ambulance-chasing thing whilst contributing exactly zero to the operation in question.
@fulcrumspigot455
@fulcrumspigot455 Ай бұрын
You never saw her going to coal mines, steelworks, engineering companies that were wrecked by her.
@psynriter
@psynriter 12 күн бұрын
I read that the actor that played Larry Tate, Darren Stevens boss in the sitcom Bewitched son was a passenger in that aircraft
@nickimontford
@nickimontford 12 күн бұрын
I saw that too. The four tops were supposed to be on the flight, the BBC changed the top of the pops filming, so they changed their flight. There were other famous people on it too. There's a video on here called the unheard voices of pan am 103. It's got families of people on the plane and others that changed their flight.
@psynriter
@psynriter 12 күн бұрын
@nickimontford just sad the whole thing. I'm here in Sydney and I remember it well. It was televised over here.
@hughjass2745
@hughjass2745 3 күн бұрын
@@nickimontford 150+ US government employees who all decided they didn't want to catch that flight....
@mcscootie
@mcscootie 18 күн бұрын
A farmer found a suitcase full of Heroin on his land, and another was found on Lockerbie golf course.
@nickraschke4737
@nickraschke4737 Ай бұрын
Wow. I’m shocked. Thatcher too tight to spring for Land Rovers. 😂
@duranfriendlystudiosassoci1351
@duranfriendlystudiosassoci1351 18 күн бұрын
1:49 why fart during a serious event
@gaguy1967
@gaguy1967 26 күн бұрын
Iran did this, not Libya
@KB-lz3gq
@KB-lz3gq Ай бұрын
Raw and unsanitized..Sometimes the journalists have to lighten up a bit I guess even in the most grimmest of circumstances in order to do their jobs RIP all those who perished that fateful night
@tracypanavia4634
@tracypanavia4634 Ай бұрын
5 series jam sandwich😍
@lloydwalden4053
@lloydwalden4053 Ай бұрын
Lord show Mercy. 🙏✝️ 🇬🇧
@sol3cito33
@sol3cito33 Ай бұрын
It was done by the UK government - the usual problem-reaction-solution model.
@JohnJohn-zn8ib
@JohnJohn-zn8ib Ай бұрын
You mean ISLAM.
@riabright2815
@riabright2815 Ай бұрын
FINALLY an AWAKE comment of TRUTH
@Wojciech_Chmielewski
@Wojciech_Chmielewski 12 күн бұрын
0:53 Polski Fiat 125 p.
@matthiasbalke9089
@matthiasbalke9089 Ай бұрын
That's what's left of a plane that fell to earth from 36k feet, but they want us to believe that in the field in Pennsylvania on 9 11 not a single identifiable piece of that plane could be found, but the plane definitely crashed there. My ass.
@nhhammer8782
@nhhammer8782 Ай бұрын
You are without a doubt one of the dumbest people ever to comment on a subject you clearly know nothing about
@rossbremner5125
@rossbremner5125 Ай бұрын
Really? Not really familiar with aircraft then no?
@matthiasbalke9089
@matthiasbalke9089 Ай бұрын
@@rossbremner5125 The official FAA report on that crash states that no even microscopiccally small fragment of the airplane nor the cargo, ie luggage, nor any identifiable fragment of human remains could be found. If a plane could disintegrate to a subatomic level from a low altitude crash, maybe you're right. Surely I must have missed something.
@rossbremner5125
@rossbremner5125 Ай бұрын
@matthiasbalke9089 Are you talking about Flight 93? If so there was loads of it found including the cvr
@billpugh58
@billpugh58 Ай бұрын
@@matthiasbalke9089huh? Did you read a fake report posted by the weird conspiracy crazies? The NTSB report absolutely talkes about the very visible wreckage……
@paulhunter123
@paulhunter123 13 күн бұрын
BMW e28 5 series!
@michaelsandford1015
@michaelsandford1015 Ай бұрын
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