Army Firearms Specialist Rates Gun Technique In 13 Movies | How Real Is It? | Insider

[@travisj9307]

“You never clear a corner with your face, your face can’t shoot back” PatMac

[@mateuszwdowiak3224]

The Man

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Who knows, maybe there is some dude somewhere who has a face that shoot bullets.

[@2lazy2laze45]

Just like in games

[@Dragonskincollector]

"My face is my shield!"

[@BradLane5]

Face check that ambush grass quick!

[@CoachBibbs]

I love how consistent all the tactical reviews for Tom Cruise and Keanu Reeves are. Real craftsmanship

[@Joe_Doe_214]

I can't believe Cruise only got a 9. I loved how real that scene looked, and I love Collateral for just how close to reality the movie is.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

And while the Reeves' gun handling in JW might be realistic, most of the scenes are not. The countless henchmen just line up to be shot and every time JW runs out of bullets the next guy approaches him instead of just shooting him just to get killed in hand-to-hand combat and have his gun taken away so JW can shoot another couple of henchmen until he's low on ammo ... rinse, repeat. Add that to JW falling from buildings hitting all sorts of pointy objects on the way but hitting the ground almost unharmed. That's why I never bothered to watch past the first JW film.

[@johngalt234]

I read somewhere that Taran Butler said Keanu could have easily been a grandmaster if he competed.

[@monotech20.14]

Thing is , that James Bond clip "cup and saucer" grip was still being used at the time.

[@travisj9307]

@@monotech20.14 the British love their Tea

[@DemothHymside]

I love Pat, because even if he's rating something low, he's not a wet blanket and can admit that some scenes are just fun and cool.

[@tirednsleepy44]

Yeah, he quite happily marks them a 1/10 for their technique but still says “but a VERY cool scene though” and seems to genuinely mean it.

[@gavinkarnage]

he did say "very very cool scene" for some scenes no?

[@hoilst265]

Right? The most boring experts are the 100% realism fundamentalists.

[@randomsmile9064]

I also like how he actually said to consider the source too .. like there not gun handlers there thugs.. although I wonder if he considered deadpools superhuman abilities when he judged his scene lol

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

@@randomsmile9064 Yeah, that was one little mention I'd like to have seen (and like to see in any of these). The take of "for a normal human, this is a X/10, but who knows what mutant physiology (or cybernetics, or the force, or being descended from Numenorians, etc.) does to help that" - really take the scenes in the context of the world in which they're set. For Jason Bourne as well - "A normal person isn't hitting this shot, who knows what the Blackbriar conditioning does to reflexes though" sort of thing. A number of folks do that (and he did with some) and I really appreciate it every time.

[@TacticalCanner]

PatMac was so humble when giving his background. He wasn't just in Special Operations. The guy was a top guy in Delta Force, spy in Germany during the Cold War, and retired an E-9 Sergeant Major (highest enlisted rank in the Army).

[@all4bspinnin311]

well said! Pmac is the real deal.

[@leeweesquee]

A real quiet professional

[@joselindiaz-abreu7810]

🙂Greetings! 🤔Probably forgot the (Command Sergeant Major) rank! 🫡🕊Have a beautifully blessed day!

[@gaspump]

Educate me: If he did all that why is he not a general, or whatever? I don't know what "E-9" means or even "Sargent Major" or what "enlisted" means in this context, or why being whatever that is precludes you from having what I'd guess is a higher rank? This is not a troll question... I've occasionally searched when it's come up before but it always seems to assume you know what US military jargon means. (probably not helped by other branches using other names for ranks... I know that much)

[@Abrxas01]

​@@joselindiaz-abreu7810 30 seconds would have revealed to you that CSM is a position, like First Sergeant, not a rank. A CSM will be an E9 but not necessarily the other way around.

[@jcvandamme6343]

Just yet another reason why Keanu Reeves and John Wick are awesome. Authentic and skilled

[@eg5443]

"Riddled with buffoonery" Is a legendary burn.

[@tdylan]

To be fair with SWAT, Sam Jackson told the guy "you only roll in action movies," so even the movie called out the roll being bad.

[@ManiacClown]

I loved that crack.

[@apg897]

That made me laugh out loud...

[@michaelwoodby5261]

First buffoonery, then bullets

[@ChrisH78]

Reminds me of what Tommy Lee Jones said to Jim Carrey, "I cannot sanction your buffoonery" lmmao

[@EdWood1EW]

I need this guy to come back and just rate every movie with gun handling. Insider do a gunhandling series.

[@jonathon9892]

This guy is a badass ex Delta force Operator hes got his own youtube channel and a podcast you should check out if your interested, he also does fitness things

[@AbbadonGrey]

@@jonathon9892 yeah his podcast is mostly about metal music which is still dope though, his co host is kinda too preachy for my tastes but whatever.

[@TheDoorspook11c]

They definitely need him rating gun stuff for at least 4 vids!

[@JadyGrudd]

@patmacnamara

[@jonellhaney7162]

He should do heat and den of thieves.

[@murlyn2]

-Firing that many rounds with the m60 without it malfunctioning. Great comment Patrick! I laughed out loud. So true.

[@Smurfy10285]

You mean the mac10?

[@gregoryhines7]

He means the M60 ​@@Smurfy10285

[@02whitelaw]

Same Almost lost my coffee

[@johnjay9404]

True. That's why they teach, short bursts.

[@LORDVADER357]

Perfectly doable to fire 🔥 M60 machinegun as Rambo. It will not malfunction. Depends on particular quality of the weapon. He is just jealous 😂.

[@Deadcaster0187]

The editing and audio leveling of the video was lackluster, but the information Pat gives is very nice.

[@kristofvandycke6687]

Lackluster? It’s as if a child was given the job. I mean really, who looked and listened to this project and thought “yeah, this is excellent work! Let’s upload it!” Maybe it was intentional, like handing in a badly made video because you’re underpaid or something.

[@MikeSchinlaub]

The audio was pretty bad, but sort of consistent. Maybe they had to try to edit out music or something for copyright?

[@kristofvandycke6687]

@@MikeSchinlaub Yeah, but for a big channel, that was a pretty bad rush-job

[@deanc91]

They probably did it for copyright reasons. They definitely overdubbed some of the clips and put in placeholder music, but the overdubbing of grunts and gunshots in the Bond one, vs straight up no music in Mad Max was weird.

[@ryder1658]

I especially like that unlike most "realism reviewers" this guy notes that he is able to still enjoy the sequences even if they are unrealistic

[@haveaday1812]

“Army firearms specialist”…. lol. You mean one of the most badass Delta Force Operators of all time.

[@dylanprice5397]

Doing tricks on it

[@Lame_Duck]

With Mac it was an instant click on the video (same as with the "Ditch-Guy")

[@etdgfhgdg]

@@dylanprice5397sorry this isn’t your hero James Charles

[@sirloin9348]

Right??

[@taylorbagley1962]

@@dylanprice5397ur a dork for missing the point. They threw out a super weird way to describe this dude

[@jritter1]

"You never clear a corner with your face. Your face can't shoot back." Hahahaha that why I love PatMac.

[@romanondrik3660]

unless you're Zohan :D

[@memphoonthemississippi642]

Run, Pat, run!

[@MikeHiLo]

"You never clear a corner with your face, your face can't shoot back." Such a great comment.

[@SpaceRanger187]

depends on your breath.

[@maevajesse]

@@SpaceRanger187😂

[@PS1212]

10:19 for those wondering

[@dp70939]

Very realistic. I sometimes vacuum the corner with my face. 😂

[@caseylp7121]

they don't call me a spitter for nothing

[@ostrich00]

Pat is the absolute best. He's what every operator should aim to be. Competent, humble, hilarious, lethal.

[@alexc4377]

This guy is the world's best and most anti BS firearms instructor. I remember all the old "range theatrics" videos he came out with to call out dumb and pointless training techniques that people come up with on the flat range. You literally could not have found a better person to do a video like this

[@solokom]

Please bring him back! I could listen for hours to his explanations, which are so interesting. He does an excellent job explaining why a scene gets a certain score too.

[@ald1144]

Pat's got lots of content out there if you're interested enough. Check out his workouts and Basic Dude Stuff post.

[@pjrules5363]

@@ald1144what’s his YT

[@solokom]

@ald1144 definitely! :)

[@Kimchi_Studios]

His videos taught me all the fundamentals the past couple of years. He is an EXCELLENT teacher and isn't selling me products like guntube does.

[@noahbalboa3044]

Look up his episode on rogan

[@isaiahfarris3539]

Cruise in Collateral is unreal. I lost count of how many times I watched the clip in this video and the club scene. He's so fast. And Heat is the gold standard of movie gunfights. Thank you, Michael Mann.

[@myorigaccisbroken]

The whole movie feels underrated. Go watch it. Cruise as a bad guy is awesome and it is hands down one of Tom`s best performances ever.

[@GeryonA]

The club scene is kinda silly tbh. Crowd just act like headless chickens and some continue to dance while the gun fight goes on.

[@isaiahfarris3539]

@ I won’t say you’re wrong but I can tell you that it is not out of the realm of possibility that people would be oblivious to what was happening. I’ve been in law enforcement for about 14 years and I can tell you one thing for sure: People are wholly clueless about their surroundings.

[@UnYin99]

@@isaiahfarris3539 no LEO i'm just a medic, but i can confirm that observation.

[@isaiahfarris3539]

@@UnYin99 Lol thank you. It’s truly mind-boggling, isn’t it?

[@bradleypeterson2208]

7:38 it’s funny Pat says counting rounds is probably not doable, my friend shot with him a few years ago and Pat, while doing movement drills with the class, would go “hold that round” because he knew how many bullets everyone had remaining down to the last round. Dude is incredible.

[@RTTGunsGear]

He was saying not realistic or doable in a high stress dynamic situation. On the flat range training. Sure, it can absolutely be done.

[@rykehuss3435]

@@RTTGunsGear Yeah, he himself told that the first time he saw actual combat, his buddy got killed, and he quit mentally. And was then discharged from the unit, and the military. He is not a stonecold killer. Great teacher no doubt, but not a combat dude.

[@grunt-sw8si]

​@@rykehuss3435PatMac has always seemed like a genuine guy. No bullshit, no embellishments.

[@Atmaspeaks]

​@@rykehuss3435baits used to be believable

[@BEN-ys6gu]

​@@RTTGunsGearthat's the thing Deadpool wouldn't be stressed at all, you can see it in the clip

[@khizani]

I have watched probably almost all Insider videos of this series. Some are very good. This one was by far the best.

[@Lola23339]

My God, this guy knows about guns. Based on the comment below, I really like how he's so humble about his background. Thanks, Patrick.

[@denan1]

Army Firearms Specialist In reality a delta force legend

[@MrDragonkarp]

Basic Dude stuff

[@jinxie1080]

Right lmao, as soon as I saw the little bird in the background of his pics I had to check and sure enough, CAG guy. The intro to that video is EXTREMELY underselling his skills and accomplishments to anyone who's not familiar with the military which imo is a shame.

[@daminox]

And he referred to a shotgun as a rifle, which just goes to show that even people who really know their stuff can make mistakes when talking about firearms. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about!

[@maxgould2461]

Quiet professional

[@misutatomasu]

yeah I was like, "Army Firearms Specialist? that's Pat McNamara" lol

[@thekamotodragon]

Getting PatMac for a vid is legendary! I was worried he was gonna go too hard on some scenes and take it too seriously, but he was totally fun and reasonable on the suspension of disbelief for scenes meant just for enjoyment, not realism. He's a really great trainer btw, one of the few who really teaches practicality over "tacti-cool" stuff.

[@TheDeadCritic]

"Don't do the roll" "I'm gonna do the roll.." 🖤

[@bauerca3263]

The roll is useful, just as long as you get hit with an acorn first…

[@reelgesh51]

@@bauerca3263 I hate that I know EXACTLY what you're referring too

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@bauerca3263 SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED **voice crack** SHOTS FIRED

[@SuperQuiet-w7u]

Rolling into your grave???

[@gottkonighorus1493]

Dodge Roll, he is training to get more I-Frames on his roll

[@lancealbon46]

Both Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise are absolute class acts who put a lot of training and research into their roles. Legends.

[@TraderKentaro]

My 28 minutes are well spent. This guy really give a consistent and accurate view on every clips.

[@diqital_aviator]

I do admire how he can appreciate that a scene is developed to be attractive to viewers, in other words, cool, and not always intended to be 100% realistic - whilst also teaching and talking to us about what might happen and what is happening, and how it would happen properly. Very interesting video. :)

[@shavo_.]

Been to a few of Pats courses, followed him for a long time. What an excellent dude.

[@rykehuss3435]

He is a good dude who knows what he is talking about, but he is no killer himself. First time he was in combat, he quit and was discharged.

[@thegreattuna7187]

​@4x4Tahoe oh, he posts it in almost every comment section. He's got an issue.

[@egpaugh]

@@rykehuss3435please explain how someone can get discharged and still retire as a SGM?

[@NP-ux9xg]

@@rykehuss3435 you remind me of a guy named Goebbels--Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. We get it--you're jealous.

[@giff74]

IMO it's always worth the time to listen to Pat, he's such a wealth of knowledge and information!

[@Mr_Zimm]

Its basic dude stuff.

[@giff74]

@@Mr_Zimm I always enjoyed those, but some of his stuff was advanced dude stuff. At least to me 😂

[@ericfleming5522]

I mean I would probably ignore anything Pat McNamara had to say about, like, unicycling. Maybe. I guess it's possible he learned to unicycle between deployments. In fact, I have no specific reason to believe he didn't... 🤔 You know what, I'm going to withdraw my comment just to be safe.

[@joebenson528]

@@ericfleming5522 And anything related to T3l-Av1v. He's another America last, Swiss Bankers first type.

[@NP-ux9xg]

@@ericfleming5522 he rides a unicycle in several of his videos on his instagram channel, so there's that.

[@legendarygary2744]

I loved the way he kept a balance in his reviews between realism and "coolness." I liked that he was rating very honestly, but still acknowledging that the scene is really fun to watch.

[@monsieurmeckie]

9th year in a row for Keanu to receive mad gun props

[@robertsmith2300]

Shout out to insider for actually letting Pat explain stuff

[@Carboncluster]

lot of cuts

[@CyberSystemOverload]

A real treat listening to Patrick! We want him back. Keanu and Tom = excellent weapons handling. As Patrick said they put in the work!

[@kurvaonwheels]

It's so awesome they brought Pat and not just any firearms instructor. His way of thinking and tactics are from real world experience, which means it's free of BS.

[@47enterprises]

PatMac is the man. Real, down to earth and genuine.

[@tobiasz2492]

That scene when guy did a roll, man its hilarious, especially after his comment on that 😂

[@bebakerus]

Best expert I’ve seen on one of these

[@tylerdurden1923]

He was delta force😂

[@ekowhanson9268]

The sniper guy was good

[@su0tin731]

I liked that this guy gave real reviews and marks about the movies. If something is bad, you wouldn't give it a 6. I also knew what he was going to consider good before the video started.

[@MrYoufrube]

The most chill guy ever. Good too see Pat Mac

[@mjolnircarlssen4211]

Spot on. Heat is so well done. It really set the bar high for tactical shooting & fire and manuever in cinema.

[@tweetert.9978]

This dude was an awesome analyst. Bring him back for some more, I'm intrigued.

[@SieSo]

12:23 Another former CAG guy named Larry Vickers did an in depth breakdown on Tom Cruise in Collateral and also confirmed how legit the gunplay was. It says a lot that two former Tier 1 operators have given Cruise props for his gun handling

[@ianthompson5678]

The military advisor for the movie is a sas vet

[@tonykennedy8483]

@@ianthompson5678 And on Heat and Public Enemies, Mick Gould

[@vipe650r]

@@ianthompson5678 Really? I love that. You can sure tell a difference when they not only hire a professional, but listen to him and the actor puts in the work to actually walk the walk with clear confidence and proficiency. There's a reason Heat, John Wick, and Collateral will age so well.

[@ZeHoSmusician]

13:24 It should be noted that Tom Cruise has spent many hours refining plenty of technical aspects in the movies he has starred in. He definitely puts in the work, including performing stunts himself (where other people would bring in doubles).

[@rykehuss3435]

Pat isnt CAG, never was either. He saw combat one time, and he mentally quit after that and was discharged shortly thereafter.

[@-CrampedStyle-]

So glad he gave props to Keanu. Even gladder he scored Tom Cruise in Collateral so high. Ecstatic that he mentioned Heat as one of his favorites. That is the gunplay triumverate right there.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

100%

[@francescogreggio6712]

Very interesting and well presented. Mr. McNamara does a tremendous job at explaining many details that someone that has never held a gun just wouldn't think about when watching these films. I'd love to see more.

[@speedkills232002]

I could listen to Patmac talk about guns & techniques for hours. Very knowledgeable and plain-spoken.

[@Very_Elegant]

Truly one of the best reviewers I’ve seen, need him reviewing more!

[@randallshughart]

Seen Pat on the thumbnail, never clicked so fast in my life.

[@stevenbeasley24]

Exactly! Even if Pat is talking about baking cookies, I'm listening🤘

[@littleredcar2926]

"Riddled with buffoonery" is a phrase I need to put in regular rotation

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

beset might be better

[@Niedzwiedz1M]

Been watching Patrick McNamara call out range shenanigans for so long now. I recommend, Pat is the man you want to listen to for advice on range of topics, no bs. Real life skills without the layer of elitism although this guy is as elite as you can think of.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

There is a big difference between "elite" and "elitist" and he's a great example of where that line can be drawn.

[@Guido_XL]

For me as an airsofter, these explanations are like gold. And I already knew most of the mentioned issues, like CQB slicing the pie, and proper gun handling in general. We have a few seasoned vets in our team, which adds to the tactical realism of our airsoft skirms. We handle our airsoft replicas like they are real steel (some of them are almost as heavy as the real ones). Getting that kind of advice adds to my humbleness, being a civilian that lacks all that kind of actual experience.

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

Pat Mac is all business, no bullshit. Great video!

[@bmw_m4255]

Seems a bit sus

[@WolfoftheWoods02]

In Collateral Tom was trained by Mick Gould formerly of 22 SAS. Watch the BTS of Collateral for this. HEAT was also Mick Gould hence why that Bank shoot out was so damn scary realistic. Mick had all the actors at the LASD range doing skills and drills with their weapons using LIVE rounds. He wanted them to know what it felt like and impress safety upon them. So when it came to shooting the actors all had the skills to handle the weapons safely.

[@iHatePolitics]

"Andy McNab" also worked with some of the Heat actors - especially Val Kilmer.

[@hoilst265]

And they had Andy McNab lay out the gun fight - hence the famous Easter Egg of Val Kilmer changing mags behind a car with a number plate that read "2LUP382", which was the second lying-up position (British Army parlance for a safe place to take cover, reload, take stock, etc.) for Kilmer's character.

[@dynasty0019]

Heat was so good that armed forces around the world uses Val Kilmer's reload scene as training video.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

Heat and Collateral are both so awesome. Having the right people advising, and actors willing to put in that work makes such a difference. Those movies are legendary and always will be because they put in the sweat.

[@t8xi456]

Also (if I remember correctly) they used blank rounds in HEAT and placed multiple microphones in the street to capture the sound of the shooting. Which added a ton to the realism because of actual weapon behaviour and control... the only other film I recollect having nearly the same realism is the film Miami Vice

[@danielmarshall4587]

"This one here, was riddled with baffoonery" OH Mr McNamara, your choice of words brings such delight. Also great to see you here on Insider.

[@hemaka482]

I'd like to see more of this guy, he really explains it all very well!

[@dawildebeastbc]

He's got a KZbin channel, look him up. His basic dude stuff videos are hilarious

[@Snakedoctor68W30]

One of the best shooting breakdowns ever!

[@thestanleys4157]

You can always tell when actors put in the work to really learn how to handle a firearm. He seems like a really humble guy, his knowledge is incredible.

[@Comicsluvr]

I can appreciate it when an expert basically says 'That guy spent the time to get gud.' and doesn't claim 'I could do that easy.' No brag, no crap.

[@thodstagshorn1198]

Pat Mac is the man, no Hollywood buffoonery will get by him.

[@rykehuss3435]

He is a man for sure, but not a combat man. The first time he saw combat, he quit and then was discharged from Delta and the military.

[@RebelSoul318]

​@@rykehuss3435And who tf are you? 🤡

[@NP-ux9xg]

@@rykehuss3435 I'm just going to go through the comment section and call out your stupidity every time I see you repeat it. You don't know what you're talking about.

[@joeg8269]

It's one thing to be excellent at your craft. It's a whole another level being able to clearly / concisely convey complex concepts in a manner that can be easily grasped. Kudos!

[@synthrogue6856]

You really love alliteration, huh?

[@Work_Data_PV]

these videos are the best ecause you see a real OG not someone who just knows the info but mastered it and actually does it criticize it realistically and not just bad mouths it. amazing love it.

[@ammarsalmi]

It is always a joy to see any no bs expert talking about his field. What a beautiful clip. Humans are amazing when they dedicate themselves to something useful.

[@ewsdneax61eaxe10]

Pat is the man, pls bring more of him👍👍👍

[@PAISA116]

6:21 "it's probably the best shooting form i saw in that entire clip" 😭🤣🤣🤣

[@lidla2008]

Ana De Armas, on the ground, legs spread. PatMac: "best form" Me: "hard agree"

[@PAISA116]

@lidla2008 😂😂

[@aaronpowers4315]

It'S a MaGaZiNe! /S for obvious reasons

[@aaronbachstein2591]

This was a GREAT video. Although McNamara not giving Rambo Part 2 a 10/10 for cool points is a tragedy. Hip firing an M-60 while muscles rippling was peak 80's.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

Realism: 3 Awesomeness: 11

[@SteveFreeman-v4d]

Rambo movies were stupid from situational perspective and firearms usage.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

@@SteveFreeman-v4d How dare you

[@zyeborm]

I mean he should give him a few more points, He was literally trying to shoot a wall, don't need too much accuracy for that ;-)

[@jake8748]

My SGT hip fired a minimi full auto. For those who don't know what that is its a belt fed full auto shooting 5.56mm rounds (same rounds as an m16). It was doable but you could see he wouldn't have done any effective fire either. Later they got us to do all firing positions including hip and full standing with one at the range, we weren't even hitting the target at 50m (45 yards I think) outside of the first rounds from the hip and full standing wasnt much better. A bigger and heavier gun with more recoil definitely wouldn't work too well lol

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

In 1996, while serving as a Police Counter Terrorist Specialist Firearms Officer in the UK, I witnessed the bank shootout depicted in the film "Heat." Having been involved in real-time bank robbery incidents, I can attest that those experiences pale in comparison to the intensity portrayed in the film. The cinematography and sound design were exceptional, effectively conveying the overwhelming auditory impact and shock that one experiences in close proximity to such events. With a high-quality sound system, the film masterfully illustrates the chaotic and overwhelming nature of gunfire, immersing the viewer in a visceral depiction of a high-stakes scenario.

[@Payt-y5d]

Yeah, not like different criminals could possibly have different weapons, experience, or tactics

[@mathy7280]

I've seen so many videos lauding John Wick but no one ever explained the press check. Amazing video

[@CoryIsMyName]

Not only did that scene from Collateral have excellent gun-handling, it actually sounds like a gun is being fired.

[@apollohonda9928]

Not surprising. Director Michael Mann is damn near fanatical about accuracy with regards to weapons in his movies. Every shootout he directed leaves your heart pounding and craving even more violence. Definitely one of my favorites.

[@RAB-om9jy]

There's a clip out there on KZbin, showing Tom practice with an ex SAS operative. 👍

[@jamesreid8523]

Both in Collateral and Heat films had ex British SAS Soldier Mick Gould and Andy McNab as the firearms experts on the film.

[@jamesweston2889]

Exactly..I know your not always going to get experts like that..likehe said though if its a big budget and it's military or police force base surely get more realism..val kilmer in heat looks the part in everything in that scene

[@SemperFi_EDC_Guy]

Tom trained with Taran as well. All of the best action genre film stars were coached by him. It's especially cool to see how much effort Jon Berthal puts in his roles. Absolutely insane!

[@KrispyKreme50]

Pat Mac is a BAMF. This is THE guy you call to teach the teachers.

[@Pilk017]

Amazing commentary. Here for more

[@chrislive1586]

I appreciate the professionalism, explanation, and even gives a little credit for cool points. 8/10

[@Raz.C]

I lived with some Israelis, for a time, in Melbourne, Australia, about 20 years ago. There were 6 of us in one house and all of us had done our conscription bid - 3 years. They were Israeli and served in the Israeli military. I was Australian (with Egyptian parents) and I served in the Egyptian military. If we'd been born 30 years earlier, we'd likely have fought against each other in some pointless war, or other. In the Melbourne suburb of Balaclava, though, we lived together and became friends. Anyway, every one of them had been trained in the use of the Uzi, as it was still in active service with the IDF at that time. Every one of them told me that even after 3 years of training, firing that gun on full-auto made it impossible to hit anything you were aiming at, over distances greater than 10 meters.

[@yujing4038]

I agree.I was a Dutch mp trained working with the uzi in the 90ties. that thing was unmanageable with that giant block ramming back and forth. I called it "the stapler." it's basically just a confidence enhancer.. yeh you have a weapon but that's about it.

[@abdellatifjaweesh544]

"pointless war"!! ah you mean freeing ur occupied land. ah sorry, yes that's indeed pointless.

[@boffyboydj]

They're probably off killing some kids now or occupying a country that isn't theirs

[@jake8748]

​@abdellatifjaweesh544 I mean the lands haven't changed in decades and if anything the situation is just becoming worse for all the citizens around there so yeah pointless wars. Pointless doesn't mean it doesn't have a valid reason. Its just all it will achieve is people dying and infrastructure and facilities damaged or destroyed.

[@reddragon771]

Every piece of this planet can be termed as occupied land ..what's your point...Palestine was not even a thing before israel came into existence...

[@greggeldridge4933]

One of the best reviews, get this legend back.

[@lordmetzgermeister]

The "cup & saucer" or "teacup" grip were historically trained until ~1970s, so given that the movie takes place in early 2000s James Bond, even if he originally learnt the old style grip, would've realistically been retaught to use the better thumbs-forward grip instead.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

The "c&p" or "teacup" grip (two names for the same thing) was* trained ...

[@marauderdz]

I strongly doubt the Bond movies bothered at all with weapons or combat realism until the Craig era, and even then, only just enough to catch up with modern audience expectations.

[@PaweGlica]

Epic review. I was so surprised by the screenshot of the Polish solder using Jungle Style at 23:04

[@shardovl586]

This guy is so wrong, I'm gonna have to question his expertise, Rambo was a documentary shot on location

[@facelesssman]

😂😂😂😂

[@ChocoLater1]

Fanboy pc game player in the house😂

[@joeberger3441]

​@@ChocoLater1woosh

[@PepperDog76]

Mandala effect ‘cuz I remember the same.

[@normanmaucha]

What do you do for a living

[@gillbrown8520]

I would have liked to hear Pat's thoughts on 13 Hours

[@derekallgood9496]

i’ve seen soldiers say that their expertise takes them out of movies and prevents them from enjoying stuff like john wick. this dude is just having a good time.

[@jake8748]

It did for me to some extent. We were shown at our basic what rounds do to many things to dismiss what many believe due to movies. Such as hiding behind a car door or table. They may be better than nothing in the case of a car door but its definitely not safe as that round will go directly through the sheet metal and trim, or if it hits a bracing it will ricochet unpredictably. Another thing was just how unrealistic games and shows portray shooting accuracy. You see in a movie like James Bond people hitting a non sighted pistol shot from 100m/yards etc. We did a 9mm qualifying shoot and most of the group was lucky to get more than the bare minimum mark on a target at 15m. Same with rifles, you see a shooter line the crosshairs to a person's head and thats where the bullet lands. That is very rarely the case and only at a very specific set distance. For example we would shoot at 100m, 200m, and 300m. Our scopes were calibrated for 200m. So at 100m we had to aim slightly low as the bullet raises as it left the barrel. At 300m we has to in turn aim high due to the bullet falling due to gravity. Not to mention snipers who take super long shots with the target still in vision not the multiple metres above or to the side to account for wind, humidity, gravity and more. I dont mind it in silly obvious not realistic movies. But I hate it when its meant to be a serious show or movie like a war movie or police shows.

[@LASTCALLPodcastCC]

@@jake8748 I understand the sentiment and your logic. I think the biggest problem is that just like in any MMA/Boxing movies, with alot of these war movies/cop shows you have to understand that 95% of the fans won't care if its realistic or not because they just want the big explosions. They want to see things that are cool and brutal and don't care that its unrealistic. I love the Rocky movies but there is zero chance that those fights happen in real life. But I accept it and just enjoy the action as mind numbing as it is.

[@jake8748]

@@LASTCALLPodcastCC yeah I dont mind in most movies. Just ones trying to pull off realistic and just go silly. I also cant stand shows like NCIS and stuff for similar stupidity in them though. Id prefer to watch Brooklyn 99 over NCIS and its probably actually more realistic too. Never a fan of Bond movies either but dont mind obviously outrageous things like fast and furious etc.

[@constantinvaldor2281]

Always love seeing PatMac in anything he does. He's fun to watch and speaks from experience. Great watch!

[@dubbs1218]

These videos are so cool. My dad was on the all army shooting team and I love firearms and shooting. But to see what actors put in the work is great but then to make it movie entertainment but still technically sound is impressive. Of course Keanu is the best at this combination. Watching videos of him at TTI training are super cool. Also mad respect for all our service members god bless those that put on a uniform.

[@FyremaelGlittersparkle]

In fairness to the cup and saucer grip technique in the James Bond clip, depending on when, where, and on what weapon system he was trained, that might have been in use at the time. When I learned to shoot (by USN personnel, in the mid-90s) that was how I was taught to hold the pistol. Now, it's no longer in vogue, and I definitely use the high-ride, thumbs forward grip if I'm not shooting a revolver, and I certainly don't teach people I instruct nowadays to use the C+S grip, but it was, historically, a thing.

[@booqrdoit9138]

Said it perfectly. I forget what that modern style of gripping a pistol is called (named after the guy who started teaching it) but that old grip used to be taught even in old WW2 training videos. We've definitely improved

[@KristopherMelin-l4i]

I concur - In the police academy (early 1990s) that was how we were taught, too.

[@FyremaelGlittersparkle]

@@booqrdoit9138 Are you referring to the "Weaver Grip"?

[@rayne2714]

Bond is supposed to be a Royal Navy Commander who worked Naval Intel before moving to S.I.S (MI6). He would have been taught how to use a Sidearm at the Naval Officers School so depending if it was pre 1990 it would have been the cup and saucer thing as he would not be expected to use his side arm much FYI im retired British Army so when it comes to the navy im not 100% but when i went to Basic training in 1997 we were taught the correct push pull grip.

[@milesrosen2223]

I have no knowledge of gun handling, but I remember reading something years ago about the cup and saucer being taught so you didn't accidentally drop the magazine? Is that a realistic concern at all or just a total myth?

[@wsmith3549]

Excellent! The Pat Mac. "Basic Dude Stuff". Metal Playlist.

[@parklloyd6690]

Pat Mac! Great video and great thoughts. When I see the "cup and saucer" grip, my guess is that the main thing they're trying to use the support hand for is to hold a heavy pistol. Not because it has recoil, but because it's heavy and hard to hold at arm's length for take after take after take. A real shooting grip would probably also help with that, and would also help with recoil. But again, it's a movie and for entertainment. Recognizing the difference between movies and reality is basic dude stuff. Cheers!

[@KMEnterprise]

This may be my favorite expert rate video. This guy explains really well. Lots of detail and explanations. Also he doesn’t go too hard on the material. He knows it’s movies and thieves are actors. I was surprised about the lethal weapon clip. I was pretty young when this movie came out. Never realized how badly Gibson did

[@Nope145]

"You never clear a corner with your face." - Pat McNamara. 😂😂😂

[@barry3045]

Yes finally ! Someone did a critique of SWAT !! Thanks TMAC 🤘🏼

[@sadcat1845]

Error from the expert at 0:44 this isn't what he calls battlefield recovery. John takes the mag out of the weapon to check the ammo count. but the mag was already in the gun. John was just checking the ammo count since John took the weapon from the hostile.

[@NachoAvenger89]

Thank god you're here! You must have been busy the day Insider called and Pat was their second choice.

[@sadcat1845]

@@NachoAvenger89 noted. next time i'll keep thoughts to self

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

Came to say same thing - weird error and bad editor

[@badbatch78]

​@@sadcat1845 Appreciate the good spot.

[@OldDirtyDaniel]

​@@NachoAvenger89the dude isn't wrong though. PatMac is legit but he was objectively wrong because this is clearly not "Battlefield recovery."

[@godSPARDA1995]

19:22 I love his energy😂 awesome man

[@michele2716]

Super fun and educational! He must be an exceptional teacher, not just a gun/fighter pro. I'd love to take classes from him. Appreciate his service as well.

[@CrocodileKeyboards]

Really nice real world assessment of some of my favorite films.

[@ShooterQ]

Just here to give my appreciation for Pat Mac appearing here. Learned a lot from this man over the years, and I'm glad he discovered purpose in being a trainer and making videos for people, as he's said he would've ended things pretty darkly if he hadn't.

[@vmark78]

Saw Pat McNamara and stayed to watch.

[@BLacknesmonstaz]

This is my dude right here! Glad to see him

[@breakinballers]

Another great video. This guy's interesting, fair, knowledgeable and well spoken. Great job. I wonder if he'd enjoy playing Onward in VR.

[@TheAussieLeo]

This guy broke it down way better than most of the people they get on.

[@Callsign_Kishin]

Until I saw this video, I had never seen what Pat McNamara looked like, although I had definitely heard of him from various military channels and videos. I know what a living legend he is. But dude…he just LOOKS like a vet. Like a grizzled warlock! It’s probably the goatee that’s giving Viking vibes.

[@rykehuss3435]

Just for your information, he saw combat one time, his buddy got killed, he quit after that and was discharged.

[@RebelSoul318]

​@@rykehuss3435Ok. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it since you refuse to post any sources to support your ridiculous statement. But as long as you keep saying it that will be all the proof we need. 😂

[@NP-ux9xg]

@@rykehuss3435 just for your information, he saw combat many times and spent many years in Delta Force, including up until his retirement.

[@DavisInDuval]

Pat Mac is the man, join the Patreon squad and level yourself up!

[@tirednsleepy44]

Lethal weapon gets an extra ten points added for saying “it’s just been revoked” though. I will not be argued with on this 😂

[@mudgatebronn4438]

that's from the sequel though.

[@tirednsleepy44]

@ yeah, but same character by same actor in same franchise, so still applies 😂

[@mudgatebronn4438]

@@tirednsleepy44 it is a great franchise

[@tirednsleepy44]

@ it is mate, the only buddy cop franchise I enjoy. Entirely far fetched and unbelievable yet I love escaping with it

[@troylee4196]

​@@tirednsleepy44rush hour doesn't do it for you?

[@markhenderson6389]

Authoritative, educational and entertaining. Thank you and well done! Would be interested to see analysis of gun handling in classic films from other genres and generations: The Untouchables, Full Metal Jacket, Unforgiven, Die Hard, Tombstone, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Dirty Harry, Sergio Leon'e's The Man With No Name trilogy, The Magnificent Seven, The Dirty Dozen, etc.

[@davidhughes750]

Please bring Patrick back for more movie shooting reviews, love his style and it's clear he knows what he's talking about.

[@YertMartinez-ou1kw]

18:01 Only once have i ever shot a gun quickly and hit dead center, first shot, and i was so surprised i brought the target back just to make sure. Never done it since lol