THE REAL REASON CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL WAS DELAYED

What really happened during the Champions League final with Liverpool vs Real Madrid in Paris at Stade De France…
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[@thogden]

What’s needed to change for the next big match?

[@Hatters_Editz04]

me nobody comes near my face

[@Sperlunk.]

more control

[@mehdihasan7]

Security system

[@torpelaumann1597]

No fake supporters

[@Skankhunt-bl1tl]

Not have it in liberal fucktard France .. pussys

[@sergiosanchez5234]

Thierry Henry before the Champions League Final: “The final is in Saint-Denis, not Paris. Trust me, you don’t want to be in Saint-Denis.”

[@thogden]

FACTS

[@HRZ0N33]

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[@Clarke2316]

Why did they build a stadium there if its that rough

[@enjoyourjoint5012]

@@Clarke2316 the question of millions 🤣

[@johnnydonaghy6096]

@@Clarke2316 was stadium not there first

[@chiara_1310]

I'm from Spain and I was in the Real Madrid zone, although we were able to enter well, the French organization was a failure, I don't blame the English fans because they got the worst of it, but the organization should have done better, to me My friend, some French people tried to steal her ticket, in fact they did, but thanks to other fans we were able to get it back. Many people suffered robberies by the French, and the police did nothing. France was not prepared for this final.

[@jenedonnepasmonblaseanimpo2781]

There are not French, 84 people was arested that night. And only 15 of them was French (with Arabic names), all the others was mostly migrants. They certainly speaks French, but because they speaks French in a lot of African countries.

[@joseantoniocastro1486]

San Denis is a well known "NO GO ZONE". Sharia law zone.

[@simonlewis720]

Je ne donne pas mon blase à n'importe qui we could see they were not French, the French people were lovely to us all day ,, they were definitely migrants, possibly African, all young fit men

[@hoselui]

"French" people? so funny! They were african people

[@moeenuddin6467]

@@jenedonnepasmonblaseanimpo2781 😂 spoken like a true French... when they win you trophies and accolades those Africans are French, but when they bring you disgrace they are Africans. Typical hypocritical French approach.

[@prologos6194]

As a spanish fan the french media are saying the guilty were the Liverpool fans, its totally false. I was there the guilty was people of Saint Denis. Liverpool and Madrid fans both we were the victims. Sexual ban to girls, Parents/ childrens stolen by bands, a total shame, and the french police in the moon...shame

[@ernestodiaz7669]

Literal fue así? Vaya mierda. Yo soy extranjero en España pero gente robando y acosando sexualmente, sea de donde sea, merece ser castigada

[@James-sh8mu]

african migrants

[@aboodylotus8087]

@@James-sh8mu What are you trying to say ? AFTRICAN MIGRANTS WOOOW like can't you just say IMMAGRANTS??? This is so patronizing.... Besides, how you know its Immigrants too ?

[@freedomisslavery6840]

@@aboodylotus8087 He is speaking the truth about what happened. African and Arabic migrant men were the ones responsible for what happened.

[@aboodylotus8087]

@@freedomisslavery6840 Bro look, I get it. But I would be better if he just said immigrants, coz, even thou SOME African and Arabs immigrants were involved in the incident . He can't generalize, coz not all African or Arabs immigrants were involved. He is shading a bad light on em. Stop generalizing man. It's like me saying all white people are racist which is a false statement. There are SOME but not all.

[@ameliecahn7640]

As a french person and huge football fan i am actually disgusted by how the Liverpool fans were treated. The fact that the french interior minister also relays fake news and numbers as well as blaming the english fans is a disgrace. There were actually some huge fan problems during the whole season so that's a problem that the french league must solve really fast if we want to host events like this again. I am really sorry for all the fans that were treated that badly in France.

[@alangthorpe]

We don`t expect anything less from the french, they despise our Nation ( those in power )and treat us with contempt, until your countrymen/women open their eyes to who is in charge they`ll drag your country into an even bigger pit than it is in now...

[@ameliecahn7640]

@Nikodem Lucka the real problem is the lack of controls and sanctions for all of the fans that come to the stadiums to throw water bottles at the players, to harass other fans that don't ask for anything other than watch their favorite team play. We definetly need more sanctions just like there are in England and maybe it might change. But everything was so badly prepared and it ended in huge disappointment for a lot of people and that's not normal.

[@lawrenceroadloonie3847]

@@ameliecahn7640 think he means the amount of migrants and how since the migrants have come that area were the majority are has turned into a mess and is spreading to the capital 👍

[@ameliecahn7640]

@@lawrenceroadloonie3847 you can't blame everything on them. There are also some french fans that go way too far and it isn't a migrant problem. It's really easy to blame people for mistakes that you don't want to take care of

[@lawrenceroadloonie3847]

@@ameliecahn7640 all of the videos of trouble none of them look French to me

[@commentator254]

Sad encounter that was for the fans involved. Should never happen again in the biggest game of club football. Good video update Thogden always on top lad

[@torpelaumann1597]

Agree

[@fikayo.t1400]

One of the worst worked ucl fixtures ever

[@davisongerikeboga5018]

Alaa morio umefika hii mtaa 😂

[@thekurgan3688]

That’s what happens when you let hundreds of thousands of jobless immigrants into a country. France and the rest of Europe will and are paying the price.

[@tonyp011]

yeah but the French sports minister and UEFA have said it was Liverpool fans that caused all the problems when all the time it was hooligans from their own country, even the police have said it was Liverpool when they know it wasn't, but a french police commissioner said it wasn't Liverpool the media and at least one media outlet in france said it wasn't, in fact the one in france as revealed that they were ordered to toe the line by stating it was Liverpool which they say was a UEFA directive and the news media ignored it and told the truth of what happened and backed Liverpool

[@FranciscoCorreia10]

Should have held the final in Portugal again, it was safe and everyone had a good time

[@verucasalt9182]

Russia, Spain , Portugal , Wales …no problems ….until France organised it….

[@Elphin89]

@@verucasalt9182 as if anyone will be going to Russia now🤦

[@franciscoricca8309]

Just make all finals in Portugal forever, Champions league final 2023 Leiria 😂

[@mewsao]

Liverpool fans traveled to Madrid and Kyiv for the last 5 years and nothing happened should speak volume

[@FranciscoCorreia10]

@@franciscoricca8309 100% agree

[@archiewall124]

Don’t go to Paris without expecting to be mugged is my advice 🤣it’s a cesspit for that sort of behaviour.

[@schweezlenewsvan3683]

Oh I know the amount of people wondering where their shit went was mental 😬

[@Wib0]

People think Paris is so great, but it has become a terrible place to visit. Problem is that we are not allowed to talk about all the immigrants in the city. Because this is what obviously happened there.

[@Skankhunt-bl1tl]

@@Wib0 Pretty sad people keep protecting these people as we watch or society crumble before us

[@imsubbingtoeveryonewhosubs6071]

I could literally imagine someone being mugged in Paris I don’t know why 😂 (I’m not laugh at being mugged I’m laughing at the fact it’s the only city the the world that in my head I could imagine being mugged, don’t take it the wrong way)

[@Youngcarter354]

@@Wib0 I mean not all the immigrants are bad right because a lot of them represent France international football team?

[@notdoom4858]

I turned 13 the day before the game and got a ticket as a present and I went expecting it to be the best day of my life and it was the worst. Got attacked by police for no reason what so ever and missed the performance before hand, aswell as that we lost 😔

[@schweezlenewsvan3683]

I’m sorry to hear that pal 😔

[@GARACHOAMP]

Hala Madrid

[@unnamed3086]

@@GARACHOAMP grow up

[@ab.1112]

U deserve it

[@GARACHOAMP]

@@unnamed3086 i am by Evert sec

[@cameron156]

Thanks for speaking out. It's time we have a serious conversation about the state of UEFA, they are not fit for purpose.

[@lewisod_]

It was the same with europa league final, I was there , the stadium was terrible people falling down 10 rows , no water in 30 degree heat UEFA is a shambles

[@thogden]

It was pretty bad I know

[@alexanderkenway]

The audacity of UEFA/French officials to shirk all the blame on Liverpool supporters is disgusting

[@hisztorry]

Lol they are right.

[@Fuzzysssssss]

@@hisztorry you are discusting too

[@jacknelson927]

There not right how is it okay to spray tear gas at children and other fans with tickets huh moron

[@jacknelson927]

No fan should ever experience that ever and ever at a football game in a final also biggest game of the season yet fans getting attacked by useless police in France

[@verucasalt9182]

Even Spanish fans had problems . They were people trying to mug them, steal their tickets and fearing for their safety while police did absolutely nothing. Tennis player Feliciano Lopez was there that night and have said how a tall strong guy like him felt threatened buy all those mugs running riot causing mayhem and there was no security protecting legit fans .

[@andrewwright4195]

They even killed real Madrid fans

[@nathanmerritt1581]

@@andrewwright4195 that absolutely never happened! Stop going overboard!

[@andrewwright4195]

@@nathanmerritt1581 I seen the video it on Twitter I retweeted it

[@nathanmerritt1581]

@@andrewwright4195 do you believe everything you see on Twitter or internet in general? Stop deceiving yourself with fake garbage!

[@andrewwright4195]

@@nathanmerritt1581 if you watched it it shows 8 men kicking the shit out of 1 guy then they ran him over and left don't think that fake mate if u watch it u can see it

[@TheSadCatt]

Champions league finals shouldn't be held in such shithole grounds and stadiums

[@Tagikakibau]

You've won the internet for today Sir.

[@M_Sp_]

French government finding excuses by blaming the club with a manager that is the master of excuses... ah i love the irony

[@andrewwright4195]

Until uefa do something people shouldn't watch champion league or buy tickets but people will always buy tickets that the problem

[@mzy12]

Well summed up Theo 👏 So chilling seeing the videos, especially because it’s Liverpool fans and knowing that a lot of them would have thought back to Hillsborough. I can’t imagine what it was actually like experiencing it 😔 UEFA should be ashamed of themselves because they have absolutely made a mess of the Europa and Champions League finals 😡 I did wonder why it was branded as “Paris” when I remember at the Euros the Stade de France was called “Saint-Denis” because the Parc des Princes was branded as “Paris”.

[@schweezlenewsvan3683]

Couldn’t of said it any better it’s a disgrace how they treat these fans who spend their hard earned money to support their team and this is how they get treated. The fact the people in the stadium blamed the Liverpool fans on top of that for being late I’m not even a Liverpool supporter but that is just not how you treat people on a day they’ll remember for the rest of their lives.

[@chuggington4791]

yeah they shouldve just let the fans in and let them die in a human juice press like liverpool have already experienced (twice). tear gas is a norm, it exerts force whilst using the absolute closest to zero chance of long term harm. if people arent listening, you need to get on top of things.

[@me5969]

Year has is not normal, apart from by police forces that have poor crowd control experience. I seen a video of Liverpool fans just singing outside the pub and the police all just turn up in riot gear. To the untrained eye this may seem reasonable but the British police, after dealing with over 20 years of probably the worst football hooliganism, learned not to act like hooligans themselves. Granted there's a few CR1s I believe the category is. That is to say it's when they do get the riot gear out but by and large most police forces are competent enough to not need to tear gas kids. Besides there's videos of them just randomly walking up to people and pepper spraying them. That's not crowd control. Granted they were clearly caught off guard by the locals and I'd be incredibly surprised to discover a fan base consisting largely of scousers and Irish didn't retaliate after watching their kids get battered but it's still poor policing to be in that situation at all. It's small wonder that they're now trying to blame Klopp for it. You don't do that if you have a valid reason to launch tear has at families

[@ellince7327]

Muchos fueron sin entrada esperando comprar una entrada de reventa y les vendieron entradas falsas. Eso pasa por ir sin entrada 30 mil personas. Es horrendo imy no tiñen que ir sin entrada.

[@schweezlenewsvan3683]

@@me5969 I 100% agree with you there I don’t understand the violence they use against innocent people trying to watch a football match.

[@santitortosa2700]

Los Franceses mienten, la afición del Liverpool sé porto de manera ejemplar y la policía francesa no los protegió los gasearon habiendo niños una vergüenza, no sé crean nada de el gobierno Francés mienten más qué hablan

[@Azog150]

Thanks Thogdan for this. It is really depressing to see so many people letting club colours blind them to this. Fact is this could have been anyone (there were issues in the Real Madrid end as well) - especially English clubs whose reputation as English fans precedes them. Awful event. I would just like to put a word out as well - I was one of the 50,000 fans watching the match in the fanpark 10 miles from the stadium (which is where most of us ticketless fans gathered) - and even that was badly organised with 50,000 people entering through just two narrow bottlenecks (only 1 could enter at a time), with absolutely no attempt as a stewarding or queuing system outside. I would just like to say, as backed up by the Deputy Mayor of the 12th arrondissment where the fanpark was situated who wrote a letter praising Liverpool fans that day, that if it wasn´t for people being so patient and good natured outside of that mess trying to get in it could have gone badly wrong as well. As with the stadium, the good behaviour of the vast vast majority of fans potentially prevented deaths and serious injury that day, due to terrible organisation. To then be victim blamed, and for people to jump on that victim blaming due to football rivalry, is beyond belief and has quite frankly left me furious.

[@nenu]

There are ways to do things... it was not a problem of timing. When the River-Boca game had to be suspended in Argentina, the City of Madrid offered itself to hosting the game, and it was a huge success, no issues. Maybe is the experience of policing Madrid-Atletico events or something, but good policing makes event safes, bad policing makes events unsafe

[@tonyp011]

yes but this fixture could not have been held in Madrid or anywhere in Spain, because it would have created an unfair advantage, plus that was the real reason why Wembley didn't get it as Madrid would have complained as would Liverpool had it gone to Madrid, but Paris was the wrong choice despite it being held 41yrs ago between the two sides but it was at Parc des princes, while this one was Stade de France and there was no reported problems before, during or the end of the game

[@nenu]

@@tonyp011 I am not making a case for where it should've been held. I was making the case that claiming that this happened because Paris had only 3 months to prepare it is a lame excuse given that Madrid only had only 4 weeks to organize the Copa Libertadores final in 2018 and it went pretty smooth

[@joluelet]

@@tonyp011 3 months ago it wasn't clear who would reach the final, so that argument is invalid.

[@carlislepanting5219]

Belize central america I'm from and i agree totally !! Hala Real Madrid y nada mas

[@borjamarilosantos5300]

@@tonyp011 because England is a Third world country but Spain is rich and people very polite maybe thats the reason they didn't play in your country

[@danielfleming9367]

You are one of my heroes Thogden, I admire your dedication to Football KZbin and its one of the things along with Football and Wrestling that is keeping me alive and giving me a reason to live if being honest

[@oj_editz8679]

Keep up the good content thogen

[@davidbarriuso4707]

I was there and 30 seconds after getting out the car my phone was pickpocketed but then handed back to me with a warning. Some more people tried to pickpocket me on the way back from the stadium. Police were violent and awful, security were understaffed in the stadium. I saw people getting mugged and beaten up, this event was so horribly prepared and both sets of fans were exemplary and did nothing wrong

[@dionmacfarland2672]

Keep up the hard work

[@jackhoward4666]

What a video bro, love how professional you're and such a detailed well explained video 🔥

[@johnnyfrisco5354]

Top report... Thanks for this information... Learnt more than from the mainstream media...

[@eoghandowney537]

Would have made more sense to move the champions league final to either Portugal or the Allianz arena in Munich. As a Liverpool fan. Seen the footage. What the authorities did was an absolute disgrace.

[@lchan80]

Stade de France has been hosting many events. This was their third CL finals since 2000. The Euro 2016 Finals were not that long ago. The French national team also plays there regularly. The bad neighborhood did not just come up in 2022. The police and organizers have plenty of experiences handling big matches in the stadium. So three months of preparations were no excuse.

[@jmacmcfc4662]

immigration

[@ThomasA1257V]

So what’s your point I dont get it your talk good and then not

[@itsmartinside7248]

You said it

[@ChubbyChecker182]

very well put together video, no guff, straight to the information. Well Done.

[@tombennett9790]

Thanks for sharing. Whole thing was a disgrace. I hate how they tried to shift the blame over to the fans.

[@Wib0]

They should've reported the truth; that it was a large group of the 400000 immigrants living in tents in Paris that have been violently trying to see the game. But we have to look away from those problems according to our elitist leaders and media. And so they lie and we get the blame.

[@williambeck1574]

Like Liverpool fc blamed everyone but their own rats for fans after murdering 39 juventus fans, jft39 murdering red cowards

[@pgc8410]

Been to 4 Ireland games there, Saint-Denis is rough as. Get in and out of there asap

[@JMS070]

First of all , bravo thogden for revealing your experience since many people are getting the wrong info about this situation and whatever you said was right

[@josiegalvin6138]

Always coming in with banging vids.keep it up you legend

[@brokula1312]

Ah yes....diversity is our strength...more immigrants please.

[@boltontillidie3347]

I know what happened now just take em here we will have them put em in 5 star hotels

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

We need more migrants and then give them free stuff will solve all of the problems.

[@abx_fifa]

What I saw this March was the fact that there were three finals: one in Sevilla one in Tirana and one in Paris. And I can tell you because I live in Tirana, our police handled everything well, and it was the only final with no problems

[@torosalvajebcn]

what problems happened in Sevilla?

[@abx_fifa]

@@torosalvajebcn yea for the water

[@abx_fifa]

@@torosalvajebcn it ran out

[@keyon_ree]

@@torosalvajebcn I think Rangers fans got outnumbered and attacked by a lot of Frankfurt travelers, or vice versa.

[@georgehowe5608]

@@torosalvajebcn a number of issues. From a lack of water, to binning items that UEFA had put on the approved list. I also have no idea how Sevilla ground can be classed as a category 4 approved UEFA stadium. Continental police need to get the image of English football fans being hooligans out of their heads. This isn't the 80s anymore. Continental policing has a habit of resorting to tear gas or batons before any form of dialogue.

[@EightFrancs]

It genuinely seems that the French poliece, French government and UEFA did everything possible to cause maximum harm to Liverpool fans and Real Madrid fans also. An absolute disgrace.

[@mohammadzaman3767]

And then place the blame on the fans

[@Villi23]

It should. Not have been in stade de france it should have been in parc de princes

[@garygee5365]

Diversity what a great thing.

[@LFCBenH]

This is brilliant this mate, absolutely spot on 👏🏻

[@simonlewis720]

Thank you for telling the truth, it may stop some of the idiots blaming this on liverpool fans again

[@schweezlenewsvan3683]

I don’t even like Liverpool but the fact they blamed you for being late when they wasn’t even letting you in the stadium and then using pepper spray and tear gas against innocent people who spent their hard earned money is just not on.

[@verucasalt9182]

In Spain the media are not blaming Liverpool fans but all those local thugs and the poor handling of the police . Real Madrid fans were targeted too and feared fir their safety too. .

[@Wib0]

@@verucasalt9182 A looooooot of the 400000 immigrants were around the grounds trying to get in violently. Most people see the blaming-game but they don't see that this is what you get when you help all people instead of the ones who truly need to flee somewhere else.

[@nelsonrios7929]

For being considered such a prestigious country, France has a lot of violence problems. At the beginning of the season Olimpique Marseille and Nice had fan violence in the stadium. This past weekend there was also violence at the St. Etienne relegation qualification game not to mention the events mentioned in this video.

[@victormalzac7811]

Yes, it's true that especially in French football fans are very violent, I don't know why

[@Wib0]

Maybe there are 400000 illegal northern african men sleeping in tents along the Seine... in paris? They were very obvious trying to get in pretty violently?

[@Kumorini]

It's because of the Muslims and North Africans, I'm not afraid to speak the truth like the guy in this video.

[@unlockedaccount]

@@Kumorini racist

[@Poodz_]

@@Kumorini Blunt but probably true. Many nice people from these places but not so much in Saint-Denis. I'm glad Thogden is said the truth it was 'local lads' who were the problem and not the Liverpool fans.

[@rudyclarkejohnson4625]

Loving the content thogden!

[@KyleDon]

great coverage theo 🙌

[@CharlieRealbedfordfrost]

I be honest as a Reading fan I was just hoping to see a amazing final but again crowd issues came up I was so horrified I even started to panic not Hillsborough again I feel for the Liverpool and Real Madrid fans fifa needs to punish fance for there part the police took matters in to there own hands without realising the truth about the situation hope everyone is now safe

[@timetoblametheref1884]

I've been wondering for a long time I thought I was late to watch on TV but when I saw there was a 30 min delay I felt relieved and confused

[@stephenlechuga1124]

You have a huge influence! 100% agree 👍 with you

[@TheAnfieldLark]

Good video and fair analysis

[@rstevens7711]

Enjoyed watching this. Just one point, I know your ticket was through the app, but most of the lads I've spoken to (all Liverpool fans) had genuine paper tickets. You'll have seen the story of Andy Robertson's mate having problems with his ticket getting scanned. I've also spoken to someone who went with 6 mates, all got their tickets through the club. None of their tickets worked and they were told by stewards to climb over the turnstile to get in.

[@thogden]

My ticket didn’t work either and the steward told me to climb under the gate, which I then proceeded to do. When the UEFA ticket system failed, I genuinely believe half the real tickets just didn’t work

[@rstevens7711]

@@thogden That's really interesting you say that, and I wonder whether your ticket 'failure' is being recognised as fraud and has led to the ridiculous claims made by French politicians about numbers of counterfeit tickets.

[@liverbirdmighty9271]

My friend who got UEFA ballot but in Liverpool half (he bought it even before the Villareal match) said his ticket could not be read either and yes he was told to climb the gate.

[@ThomasA1257V]

So all the people who climb were not illegal, thank you

[@ThomasA1257V]

@@rstevens7711 no one understand its incomprehensible

[@mikestravelshow]

So UEFA knew all along that this area was known for crime. An absolute disgrace 😤

[@davek834]

The scousers fitted in just fine

[@qgdag3758]

i just love how you say what you have to say in interesting way and you dont bullshit like other youtubers. Respect.

[@boxedbyj3043]

Your vids are so good

[@miloslavcermak8244]

its crazy what happened but more crazy is that i found out that for summer olympics in Paris 2024 they have in plan to built olympic village in Saint Denis. They saying that it will help city be more safer but i think that athletes will have different opinions to stay there without good security.

[@orangecobraEU]

no way 😂

[@m1chbeck]

I've been in block R (closer to the Madrid end) and can confirm all what has been said in this video. It's BECAUSE of the fans this didn't turn into a catastrophe. F**k the French police, let's hope UEFA is eventually on the side of those who saved their product against the Super League...the fans.

[@Shithead63]

Thank you for your candor.

[@isaiahnych]

Thogden behind enemy lines for us. Content📈🤘🏼💯😂

[@lfc4life76uk]

Should never have happened, absolute disgrace. What is still not going to help though is the fans of other clubs, even after hearing your first hand experience will still blame the Liverpool fans for this

[@milano9796]

Highly appreciative of you speaking out about the truth of what happened. Every fan whether it be real or Liverpool should be able to attend a match without being anxious about safety. Thanks 👍

[@SwedishNationalist]

Not the full truth still. No one is really talking about the democraphic of young men who caused the whole thing.

[@Skankhunt-bl1tl]

The truth lmao 🤣

[@Daniboi971]

The truth lol! He held back a key detail

[@JoshKEditz]

Vey well explained Theo... You've smashed it and I'm looking for to your future content 😉

[@k1llzz815]

Ur reaction on nottm forest in the premier league? Love the videos bro❤️

[@djtzuyu8518]

The fact that Olympics 2024 will be held in Paris , France !! This event is also very very huge , I hope they ensure all of the security measures so fans could enjoy properly ~

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

@@samuelpinder1215 You never know some Arabs might turn up to cause caos.

[@orangecobraEU]

french gouvernement sayed they will "clean" paris before olympics, not allowed cars in certain areas, kick away homeless poeples, some zones you couldnt walk, they will use drones, and ai face reconation, this would be more chaos, the real problem is police, who made chaos, they sayed they will triple that

[@stuartogden1660]

Brilliant video

[@patrickbarton4190]

It would appear that more staffing and policing should be brought in along with more control measures to ensure fans are able to get to the ground safely and enter safely as well.

[@stupidmg]

UEFA held the Euro 2016 final there... it's not like they haven't held big event at that stadium before... It's absolutely mind-blogging what happened on Sunday

[@orangecobraEU]

this is because french team was playing, they wanted to watch the game

[@nicolavallely8076]

Hi Theo,thank you for putting this on show,the truth. In my opinion there should be family zones where children and families can enter safely. A reorganization of ticket allocation,more for the fans and true supporters. Limiting alcohol sales Your opinions matter. Ask fan groups and clubs where they want the final Up the TDL 🐻💞

[@yourweird4101]

why are you not at a million subs. You deserve it

[@wolfmauler]

I immediately thought of you Thoggy when this was going down and curious to hear your take 🤔

[@maxfreeman6974]

I was at the game myself and had similar experiences with police and stewards on route and at the game. Awful planning and even more poor execution

[@sannev8407]

Very easy to blame the police

[@maxfreeman6974]

@@sannev8407 it’s true tho they were either providing useless security checks or standing on the main road

[@sannev8407]

@@maxfreeman6974 Useless security checks? Can there ever be enough security checks? The only one to blame are the facilities around the stadium failing to reach their goals AND fans trying to break in without any tickets, they are the only ones who put the other fans in danger. The police can't ask everyone 'are you guilty'? before reacting.

[@maxfreeman6974]

@@sannev8407 yes I totally agree but they can had to have a ticket checkpoint before the overcrowding and multiple security checks instead of one in the worst place possible on that ramp

[@sannev8407]

@@maxfreeman6974 Yeah I can see that, but then it's the fault of the bad organization and in this way, the police are also a 'victim' of this bad organization.. they may have reacted a bit too harsh, but my father is a police officer, and I can tell it's not easy to react exactly the right way in a very short timespan, and in this case, when locals are everywhere through the crowd, stealing pockets and trying to climd over the fence, and people are pushing each other at the fence. So sometimes you just have to do something and you do wrong things. I don't mean they did right to spray kids in the eyes, but in my opinion it's not right and very easy to blame the police and the city of Saint-Denis entirely for what happened, while it's the organization's fault... it's 'just' a very bad combination of mistakes that led to this situation

[@xera761]

I'm French and I wanted to go there because it was one of my only opportunity to go to such a big game but I'm happy that I didn't go there after all these events. The French police is known to be very violent

[@ecaeas4439]

Credit to French people for calling it out. A few English people were in denial about the euro final at Wembley. I'm not sure how it Is in France, whether the police are better or worse depending on the district / city / region, but that's the case here. The metropolitan (London) police are by far the worst and most dysfunction, and other police forces in different regions are usually much better - especially when it comes to policing football matches.

[@Wib0]

Are people around you talking about all the immigrants storming the grounds and pickpocketing fans? Or is it truly only the UEFA to blame?

[@nicholasleow6692]

@@Wib0 UEFA did not do a proper job in dealing with the farce

[@thomasagyarko-poku6673]

Very sad but I hope the families are OK

[@llilucc4425]

i was there with my dad at stand X and even before the match started OUTSIDE the ground itself we still got tear gassed, we didnt even get through the first ticket place n they still tear gassed us. later we did see like 3 liverpool fans who had fake tickets though so i do think there were a bunch of fake ticket holders which caused some of the disorganization. still terrible orgasnized in general by eufa aside from this, especially the violence used by the police

[@PizzaLord]

I went to the CL in Paris as a red and was on the receiving end of the chaos. Was also at the CL final in 2005 in Istanbul as a red and had no problems at all. So why would you think holding the final in the same stadium would create the same problems as paris?

[@sk0nz]

Lfc brag about there was 150.000 liverpool fans in paris.....well they dont even fit into the stadium, wtf are they doing there? Will be the same in istanbul

[@phazaron8959]

A Leeds fan here. Was just embarrassing and obviously think that France shouldn't hold any big game in a competition til they accept this disaster and apologize Liverpool fans who faced off these events. Whenever I encounter the videos contained what was going on, I assume that they were being filmed in 1980s.

[@Alexgg63]

FRANCE>ENGLAND FRANCE IS SAFER THAN ENGLAND

[@sannev8407]

Why should they apologize to Liverpool fans when it were a bunch of Liverpool fans without a ticket climbing over the fences and running inside, blocking the entry for other Liverpool fans?

[@keri_av6463]

@@sannev8407 You have no proof that that it was Liverpool fans, and are defaming them, probably because you have an agenda. Lots of people have come out and said it was the French locals who were a large cause of the problem and if you watch a lot of the videos of people jumping over the gates, none are in red

[@sannev8407]

@@keri_av6463 Oh sure, suddenly I have an agenda 😂 I wisely don't watch any of social media video's because they are misleading and put EVERYTHING out of context. I also said from the beginning it were mainly locals, but also Liverpool fans without tickets or 'false' tickets brought on the black market who put the majority of the Liverpool fans in danger. So I never defaming Liverpool fans, apparently you feel very offended for no reason. It's just reality, mate. There are also people who said it was the police's fault while it wasn't... It's not the police's fault, it's not the city's fault, it's the organization's fault. End of discussion if it's up to me.

[@TheSm1thers]

@@sannev8407 You don't want to watch video evidence cos it's misleading?

[@ivanlulev4669]

Great analysis Thogden! The Ataturk stadium is very far from Istanbul so going to there is not an easy job.

[@tanermimoglu5579]

Yes your right Ivan but at least the only problem is to go there but other than that i think there would be not that much problem as the final Paris and they should just done it on Istanbul rather than picking Paris, because we are more hostable City i dont know if you ever went to İstanbul.I hope anything like this does not happen again.

[@ivanlulev4669]

@@tanermimoglu5579 Hi Taner, actually I`ve been to Istanbul many times and one thing is for sure I feel much safer than in Paris. I hope I can be in the final next year so I can share my experience :). Greetings from Bulgaria!

[@dunedincfc6734]

It seems that Diversity is also the Strength of France.

[@blensblenny2683]

😂

[@mohammadsajidusshakerin7163]

In my opinion, Allianz Arena or San Siro would be a better option

[@abousouheyl3586]

Et ça change quoi de donner son avis ?

[@mohammadzaman3767]

@@abousouheyl3586 It changes the world

[@someone7509]

The match was crazy

[@chrisbloxy1912]

Thogden I'm glad you explained why I wasn't in Paris I was watching it at home in TV and the time kept on getting delayed they were postponing it it was supposed to start at 11pm for me but it started at 11:36 pm I was wondering and I'm glad that you explained why

[@dawsonlegends]

Hi thogden💪

[@ExilesEdits]

What needs to change is Newport Bolton needs to be the final. Nah tbf I agree with what you said

[@OkanMlkc]

Turkey knows how to deal with big organisations. Proved it many times with no problem. Next year will be the same. No worries.

[@timdawn705]

I totally agree! Not fair at all dragging Turkey in to this. I've been all over the country and have never ever felt threaten as a tourist even in the "unsafe" areas. They did perfectly fine in 2005 as well.

[@liverbirdmighty9271]

I was in Istanbul in 2019 for the Super Cup. I had no problem. It was a very good organization with plenty of boards telling people which 1st check point to go based on sections. That way the crowd already divided at first checkpoint. When we passed the first check point we were dispersed again based on gates. So again split up between upper and lower stands. Yes there were lines for each gate but I felt no harm whatsoever. But yes, heavy police presence but everything was very orderly I was a woman solo. And at no time I felt scared. (It was in besiktas, tough not attaturk)

[@jackpresley3254]

Maybe it should be held in Germany 🇩🇪. Either Allianz Arena, Munich, Westfalenstadion Dortmund or Olympiastadion (Berlin) next season

[@rizzzzzzz2580]

one thing i can recommend to UEFA is have a backup venue so it would be equal to the original venue planning

[@niallmaca5670]

The Ataturk is in the middle of nowhere for starters so there aren’t really locals. Secondly the Turkish people were wonderful hosts in 2005. No reason to anticipate problems.

[@davek834]

In 2005 all the problems were in golden sands Bulgaria,

[@liverbirdmighty9271]

I was in Istanbul for the 2019 Super Cup and the organization was good. We had directions which first checkpoint to go to based on the section. So yes before the first check people do walk about quite far to find their check point. But it dispersed the crowd and made it easier and prevent congestion in the inner ring (secomd checkpoint). And there were lots of police. As a woman traveling alone, I felt safe

[@frostyere1440]

thank you for posting this im sick of seeing people automatically say we caused it! no doubt uefa officials wont admint wrong doing jsut to get out of any compensation to liverpool and madrid fans who were attacked and not allowed in 5000 liverpool fans ddnt even get in at all and for uefa to say fans turned up late when they queued for over 3 hours! shambles france should be stripped of any future event for a number of years

[@alirawjee8802]

6:29 Thogden you forgot to mention the WC Final this December

[@diegolanagran5818]

great job men!!

[@torosalvajebcn]

Ok, my 5 cents on the subject. Since Real Madrid owns the Championship (14 titles), and Madrid is a clean and civilized city with great stadiums (Santiago Bernabeu), why dont we celebrate every year the final there?

[@kevinfranco871]

The point is to make the cities money and uefa money, they wouldnt like that

[@conorwells9129]

I dont know about you, but having the final every year at the Bernabeu would be pretty boring.

[@stephaneherringtoniowritin4986]

And RM dont run UEFA?...🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@davek834]

Don't think that would work, the final is supposed to be a neutral venue, selected by UEFA for those with the biggest brown envelopes, anyway if you are going to pick a permanent stadium for the final ,pick one closer to a beach ⛱️

[@spinynormanbest6410]

Manchester, only 30 miles away😗😗

[@jazzzzzz5626]

I think France have a huge problem with fans not to long ago saint esiten ( don’t know I spelt that right ) their fans run on to the pitch and even attack their own players because they got relagated as usually tear gas was shot and flares was in the air fans in Paris or France in general don’t get the same kind of treatment as English fans get .

[@OptLab]

not much different from the ones with the Vieira event. But still wrong its true

[@roverlutionary619]

Well said thogden

[@Ben-tx1qz]

I would have loved to see it at the Olympiastadion. Great stadium with lots of space

[@saadkhanimran8327]

As a Candian watching the game from my living room, this is absolutely disgarceful by the French police. No fan should the game of their life, be turned into their worst experience, Escpicially the young and elderly. I really appreciate your explaination of this horrific incident and if I were the French government I would offer you that job.

[@saadkhanimran8327]

@@samuelpinder1215 Canada's government > France's government

[@saadkhanimran8327]

@@samuelpinder1215 True

[@nedkelly5307]

Those so called "locals" must've thought an Algerian team were playing in the final.

[@emilfrederiksen.1622]

Yeah they most have thought Algeria was playing against Mali or something alot of them wanted to break in.

[@ambroiseperret6460]

As a French i would like to thanks you , for giving reason a clear voice people are trying to hide the real issues that ST-Denis became an horrible place French media and politician preferred causing a diplomatic incident by accusing the liverpool fan , rather than treating the real issue.

[@jmewhyte]

What needs to change is the subtitles where you wrote there instead of their at least 3 times. Good vid though!

[@SAM-lf5cr]

What A Disaster!

[@derrygowley]

If the stadium is in a high area of crime, surely close off surrounding areas, even a child would know that makes sense

[@ortracing2983]

The way it was settled was horrible this reminds me of 1989 Hillsborough in the FA Cup semi Final where fans were killed by getting crushed

[@harrywright1568]

Me and my mum went and had to turn around as the crowd was too busy and everyone was pushing up, which reminded my mum of hillsborough which she was at, awful policing all day with Awful planning…

[@Bwfc56226]

Actions like this from Uefa clearly lying will help support the idea of Perez’s Super League if they don’t get a grip of it. Absolute shambles. For me Uefa are trying to do it on the cheap, not wanting to take responsibility & also probably not helping foot the costs of security at the stadium. Same with euros

[@RB2S123]

hey thogden, I know u will be coming for the qatar World Cup. during the wc the prices of hotels will be insane. my house will be completely empty since my parents will shift to india for a few months. if u want u can stay at my place for free.

[@amc5966]

Well said Thogden.

[@jvanderl5779]

Spot on!