Thor’s Endgame: How A Russo Restored The God of Thunder

In the first of many videos on Avengers: Endgame, we chart the development of Thor across the MCU and discuss how The Russo Brother's controversial decision to introduce us to 'Fat Thor', represents an excellent turning point in his character arc.
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[@SuperFlik]

The way Hemsworth says "I'm still worthy" gets me every time

[@finleytobinjones]

my eyes fill with tears everytime...

[@b.e.z6831]

What is crazy that when cap picks it up he says. "I knew it" he thought cap was more worthy than him

[@MegaManXPoweredUp]

@@b.e.z6831 To be fair, Cap is considered to be the hero everybody looks up to, as a pillar of morality and heroism. He's the leader, therefore Thor likely thought that if any human was able to lift Mjolnir, it would be Cap. Plus, he was likely suspicious that he could ever since the party in Age Of Ultron

[@multivitamin425]

Hemsworth ---> He's worth

[@b.e.z6831]

@@MegaManXPoweredUp yes thats what i was talking about

[@cucumbersprout7491]

i just realized, when he says that he went for the head, no one knows what that means. Nobody was there, right next to Thanos, when the mad titan mutters “You should have gone for the head.” So it is only meaningful to him.

[@CMW003]

thanks, I needed another reason to be sad watching endgame

[@JD43232]

I thought this was common sense

[@skatemo100]

Captain America regained consciousness during this scene as he asks Thor “where did he go?” after Thanos leaves.

[@theoceanman6221]

@@JD43232 bro you're so smart, how do you get so smart? How did you figure that one out so easily while the rest of us were clueless? Thank you so much for putting your opinion into action and telling the world you were smart enough to figure it out before anyone else, nice post Kanye, very cool!

[@JD43232]

@@theoceanman6221 Now you are just guessing where my headspace was when i wrote this. You are the asshole now my friend!

[@zacharyvalko7699]

I still think my favorite moment in the Thor and Frigga scene is when Rocket asks what Thor is doing, and Frigga just responds with "Sometimes it takes a second." She has no doubt that Thor is worthy. That moment always hits home for me.

[@caskett2585]

Bro. You just gave a new meaning to the line. I was always sure it meant she didnt know but now im here thinking she probably never doubted. I thank you for this golden line.

[@FirstCelestialEmperor]

@@caskett2585 Yeah I always watch this scene. It fills me up with motherly warmth. You can see how Frigga has full faith in Thor

[@ThejollyFrenchman]

"Let me do something good, something right" is such a heartbreaking line. He's done so much good and saved so many people, but the shame of his failure has poisoned the memory his every accomplishment. Despite the pep talk from his mum, he still thinks that the most valuable thing he has to contribute is his own death.

[@doesntreply]

His whole arc in the movie just hit me to my core, I relate to his pain so much, especially with what you point out here, sometimes we feel all we have left to give or have control over is giving away our life and we forget everything else, all the good, and even advice or help from people we love. I think it was shown so well in the movie, still makes me cry everytime I watch those scenes, you can see the pain in his eyes, and it's heartbreaking.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

i dont think thor thinks snapping would kill him. and i dont think Tony thought it would kill him either. but the strain was so great that it did.

[@doesntreply]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It's heavily implied that whoever does it will die, the reason Bruce takes it is because of the gamma connection and he thinks that gives him the best chance.

[@TehRandy1]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It was never about Thor dying from doing the snap. He just wasn't mentally stable enough to be able to do what he needed to do; undo the snap. Thor in that state would want to bring EVERYONE back (his parents, his people, as well as everyone who died due to Thanos even before the snap), which would've failed as we've seen with how Banner struggled up until he gave up on bringing Black Widow back. Once he gave up the hope of bringing her back to life, he was able to snap his fingers. Thor would have kept struggling up until it burnt him into ashes. So he would have died, AND failed again. Tony wasn't going to let that happen to his friend. Banner was the only one who was both mentally stable enough, and physically powerful enough to do the snap properly. Tony was mentally stable enough, but he was just a normal human so he wasn't powerful enough to survive the damage. It's such a multi-layered scene that was done so well without outright explaining itself.

[@hism12345]

SAY THANKS TO YOU MOM

[@gavo7911]

The “I’m still worthy!” line still chokes me up. As someone with a lot of self-esteem issues, seeing the smile of pure happiness come across his face as he realizes that he IS indeed still worthy just makes me feel great.

[@kimberlywilson7929]

And to think he ever doubted shows his vulnerability. Such a moving moment

[@rightventure6535]

the “still” will play out in Thor, Love and Thunder

[@O1OO1O1]

If anyone reading this feels similar, check out Louise Hay's mirror work.

[@drmattconrad77]

When he said “I went for the head” the despair in his voice is heartbreaking.

[@smrttgrl]

In my theater cheered. I was shocked and it didnt feel like a win. It felt like we lost again

[@MrSeals1000]

@@smrttgrl In my theater, there was cheering when they pinned Thanos down. The moment Thor chopped off his head and said his line... the room became filled with an eerie silence.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

Yet people had the audacity to laugh at that scene smh

[@MrSeals1000]

@@madtitanthanos7898 I wouldn't really hold it against them. The scene directly before it was *seemingly* triumphant. So what Thor said could easily be taken as a quip, which the MCU is fairly well known for. Especially since his delivery isn't over the top, and the true meaning of what the scene meant is moreso in the subtext. Which can be one of the easier to overlook things when watching a movie

[@madtitanthanos7898]

@@MrSeals1000 yeah but the beginning 20 minutes had almost NO humor. Besides MAYBE when Tony mentioned to Pepper to not post the message on social media. But that wasnt even supposed to be funny to me.

[@JapmeetSingh]

"The film makes a point of showing that being depressed or unhappy never means you're unworthy". That sentence gave me goosebumps.

[@FullFatVideos]

Japmeet Singh ah thanks dude

[@beanbean8375]

As someone in a slump, I needed that.

[@wyndgrove9452]

Such an important sentiment, and it's great to see it get an audience.

[@zechrojas2202]

Is that before or after he's constantly made fun of for it? They turned depression and PTSD into a joke.

[@jd0192]

Zech Rojas no they didn’t. They represented it realistically. Lots of people turn to humour in the face of extreme trauma, and lots of friends and acquaintances have no idea how to deal with it. Just because your experience (or, it sounds like, lack of) isn’t exactly like this doesn’t mean it’s a joke.

[@Mgats28]

“ Being depressed or unhappy never means you’re unworthy “ DAMN! That hit so hard

[@breaux2806]

After I lost my family I fell to the same vices that Thor did. Alcohol, humor, etc. I used to be huge, swung 20lb sledge hammers every single day at shipyards in the gulf of mexico, and I had long blonde hair. My work nickname was Thor. Unfortunately that very same hammer shattered my shin lol I've since gained weight and struggled with depression, anxiety, and PTSD for so long. I've recovered so much over the years, I'm strong again but I still have the belly. So when I saw Thor in Endgame and his whole character arc I cried, hard.

[@suzannetodaro5494]

I am so sorry you hurt your ankle which lead to weight gain. It will get better with physio and a planned exercise and food regime. Good luck, but from your description you sounded like a cousin of theirs lol. Just like that huge blonde mechanic guy in the 80's film "Night of the baby sitter" the little girl in the film called him Thor too ;)

[@pastybean4482]

Is your shin damaged permanently

[@taufikahmedniloy5621]

I hope ur in a better place man

[@breaux2806]

@@pastybean4482 I can walk on it and move around normally now, but if I work long hours on my feet I can feel the fracture still. Feels like a dull toothache running from my ankle to my knee. I ride bicycles a lot for exercise since I can't run for long periods without the pain being too much

[@breaux2806]

@@taufikahmedniloy5621 thanks man, I'm in a much better place now. Just got a new job and a new place these last few months and I'm still losing weight. Hell, by the end of the year I'll probably have my old body back if I keep it up

[@Life4Metalcore]

That edit with Thor’s hammer at the end was masterful

[@FullFatVideos]

thanks man! :D

[@jonathandavidlopez]

Should’ve included the hulk catching it

[@Jpeg.g]

The commercial right after that literally said “ dam that was good”

[@kimberlywilson7929]

It was!

[@nealbarrett4500]

That was a super RAD super cut. Excellent work dude!

[@ginsengaddict]

In all honesty, though, as someone who goes through depression intermittently, seeing the MCU have the balls to tackle the subject matter was gratifying. I wasn't aware anyone took issue with Fat Thor; for me, it was a perfect culmination of everything the character has been through to date: lost his girlfriend, lost his dad, lost his identity-defining prop, lost his childhood home, lost his brother, lost his best mate, lost half his people and lost his self-worth when he failed to stop Thanos the first time. It made sense to me that the character would want to check out emotionally, because I've been there. So the look of elation when Mjolnir comes to him and revelation of what that means? That despite all that's happened, he still has value as a person? Still "worthy"? That's some Pixar-level tear jerker material right there.

[@FullFatVideos]

ginsengaddict Pixar tier is apt, this arc is underrated

[@zechrojas2202]

As someone who struggles with PTSD and depression it pisses me the fuck off that the movie had almost all avengers making fun of him for his pain. I can't stand how they portrayed him.

[@kobolddark]

Same, including the depression. It never 100% goes away and we really shouldn't ever forget that part of it. Fat or buff, Heavy lies the head that wears the crown.

[@theguyfromwalgreens]

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I agree 110%. Let's not also forget the loss of his mother in The Dark World. The loss of every single thing you mention would take its toll on anyone. He had Thanos within an inch of his life, but wouldn't finish the job because of his overwhelming arrogance...his ever-looming achilles heal. Being that he is the cause of the loss of half of the population of the universe would tear anyone apart. Anyone with a soul anyway. Hell reading this has me wanting to have an Avengers marathon. I'm trying to get the fam to watch, but I know they don't have the patience to have a marathon of Avengers. Plus it's hard for me to really get into anything with it being football season.

[@priamneville5899]

I just wanted him to do his big lightning stuff in Endgame... For the god of thunder to rule the sky-battle. It made sense he couldn't, given his clear loss of physical ability and weaker lightning, but still... I wanted that for him.

[@w-james9277]

For the first time... Thor actually looked like a Viking god and NOT a Calvin Cline model.

[@ch0getsu]

i get that refrence for everyoe who does not Chris hemsworth is a model

[@stellarhyme3]

@W-James He's not supposed to look like a Viking God, he's supposed to look like a Space God, ala how Jack Kirby drew him in the comics. In the Comics the Asgardians are Sci Fi Fantasy Space Gods who the Norse game to worship. They don't need to mirror those who worship them.

[@jeremybrown9611]

Thor has always looked like both but mainly a pretty boy God I guess cause that version sells better. Don't get why dudes always bringing it up, something things will never change

[@w-james9277]

@@stellarhyme3 Based off of the Viking gods which were more mythical, worrier badasses. I never liked Thor because he had a six pack. I liked him because he was an interesting character... and a badass!

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

@@w-james9277 Oh shut the fuck up

[@sharkeyburke5925]

Thor's humor was so effective at deflecting that even the audience couldn't see the pain. Honestly, the Thor 2 recap scene really broke me cause I have been and have seen that person in the group whose life is in shambles and all everyone can do is awkwardly laugh or avoid eye contact. I really related to Thor more than ever in this movie. Especially the Mother's pep talk scene. Not to mention that fat, long-haired Thor looks far more like an actual Norse God. He looks like a true Viking during the final fight.

[@Thed538dhsk]

I 100% agree! I liked how for endgame we saw beer belly Thor but instead of transforming to super sayian Thor in infinity war and end of ragnorak but rather a true Viking Norse god Thor! He looked more like Odin a wiser god. It’s cool to have different portrayals in each movies keep them fresh and fun

[@chelsbells27]

I can't agree more - well said!!!

[@hardygal2]

I AGREE WITH THIS

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Agreed with everything you just said

[@ebonyPM]

Ragnarok was made as a comedy but it became tragic comedy for me after watching it again after seeing Infinity War. Thor was actually in complete denial the whole movie about all the losses and bad things happening to him. It made the scenes with his mother in Endgame so good. They were even set in the same tone. With a lot of jokes that seemed less and less funny the more Thor started cracking and his facade started really breaking. He will fit nicely with Guardians because they are my favourite self made family in whole galaxy and he really needs this right now. Btw I had trouble to see this things during first watching Endgame because there was too much happening and because I was distracted by his beard. Didn´t even mind the belly, but the beard got to me every time. :-D

[@dannypalin9583]

Rocket shouting at Thor and more or less telling him to snap out of it is the best way to show how not to talk to people with depression.

[@efoxkitsune9493]

And honestly, would you expect Rocket to react any other way? He is the embodiment of not dealing with issues in a healthy way. It was kind of the only way this interaction could have gone imo. I still love these two working together though lol. I really hope we get more Rocket in the next Guardians.

[@dannypalin9583]

@@efoxkitsune9493 I honestly like that. It shows that although Rocket has matured over the five years, he's not completely above handling something poorly.

[@efoxkitsune9493]

@@dannypalin9583 Agreed. Rocket is a great character.

[@ryhk3293]

Nah. Depends on what you're trying to accomplish. External motivation can definitely accomplish short term goals, especially immediate needs requiring immediate action. Given, this is not a good way to deal with someone's deeper issues of internal motivation in any meaningful way, but that isn't necessarily what you need from a person.

[@logancook1419]

@@ryhk3293 yeah, but the way rocket tried to motivate him wasn’t very good. I don’t have depression personally, but I can imagine that being slapped in the face and told to get my shit together wouldn’t really motivate me as much as being told that someone believes in me and that I can do whatever it is I need to do.

[@drjwww]

Very late to this, but... One small thing to add to this about the use of humour in Endgame: did you ever notice that Thor really doesn't have any response to being mocked by Tony, Rocket or Rhodey. Their insults kinda just wash over him. There's a reason for that, I think. Whatever they say, however unkind they may be, they're being nowhere near as hard on Thor as he already is on himself-- and has been for five years. Their insults are just white noise to his own despair and self-loathing. The irony is, the only one whose words cut him is, of all people, Hawkeye (when he rebukes Thor about being able to save Natasha). Man is rebuking God with a "You weren't there, man!!!" response. When Tony effectively rejects the idea of Thor wielding the gauntlet, at least in his current condition, you can see it hurts Thor, but I wouldn't say it cuts him. Why? Because he sees (and we see), very briefly and in a really subtle note, that Cap agrees reluctantly agrees with Stark. Cap is clearly still the Avenger Thor respects, maybe even admires, most, in part because of an ethos shared between them as soldiers/warriors. While that stings Thor, it also enables him to accept that Hulk has to wield the gauntlet. That's part of his growth, too: accepting his own limitations. That's pretty much a new thing for Thor-- not just realizing his limitations, but *accepting* them.

[@SgtIronbeak]

He rises at Rhodey's one joke--only a little, because he's trying to do something this time. He's *trying.* And Rhodey's there, giving him another beatdown. A funny quip, but you can see the frustration as Thor neither confirms nor denies the statement--just the frustration of a man trying to do his part after five years of self-loathing.

[@siddharth_0771]

Lmao those are buddies. They will mock each other.

[@cacarot6020]

He didn't care because his ego was gone and his pride shattered, I truly related to his pain, I don't think he loathed himself, he just lost the will to go on during those 5 years , but when rocket said "we have beer at the ship" he found a excuse to go along without compromise

[@bootysnatcher4207]

I think being denied the ability to use the gauntlet showed Thor that people truly see the current depressive, self destructive state he was in. Thor at the end of Ragnarok and Infinity War could’ve survived the snap. However, that was due to him having control over himself and his will to keep going to bring an inner peace. In Endgame he no longer cared enough about himself to continue fighting through the effects of the snap. Having the others make that point subtly to him reassured him that he does indeed still matter to those around him. (Sorry for any grammar errors, it’s late and I’m tired af)

[@FionaPGT]

Another interpretation is that people who are depressed are usually self depricating as well and one would usually agree with said "jokes" and see them as simply observations instead of making fun

[@bhavyakabade]

He's hurting deep inside His laughter and jokes are a facade He's gained a few pounds He plays fortnite He's useless Jeez this felt like a personal attack

[@dvt1393]

So true. I never would have thought that Thor would ever be the most relatable superhero for me, but as someone who has dealt with both PTSD and depression for most of his life, his portrayal here was like a mirror to my own life.

[@theinimitablejora522]

No, not attack. We're not being attacked. We're being sent the most realistic message of hope modern movies have ever given us. We are still worthy.

[@Fallenscion]

The people who hate who Thor was in Endgame have never known a veteran with ptsd

[@kobaltmyst8074]

maybe it is, but also "Being depressed or unhappy never means you’re unworthy"

[@siddharth_0771]

So true. He changed himself to overcome pain in Ragnarok

[@philgaimz9847]

I love how Thor just straight looks like a Viking during the final battle

[@user-cn8xi4el6h]

He is a viking

[@chupapi7620]

@@user-cn8xi4el6h no he is not, its just that the vikings thought they were gods

[@user-cn8xi4el6h]

@@chupapi7620 yes im making a joke out of that im saying he is a viking when hes obviously not

[@FullFatVideos]

He looks soooooo good

[@strategghost1270]

Other than (plausibly) his beard, what part of him looks like a viking? Certainly not his weapons, not his armour, so... what? That he is blond?

[@usayeed727]

I was totally fine with fat Thor. It really showed how much he’d suffered and reeled through his utter defeat. It showed how much he’d overcome.

[@alfredgarcia6844]

Those are my exact thoughts as well

[@siddharth_0771]

True. This movie doesn't have much actions but have character development which matters most.

[@ShibuNub3305]

And he looks sick!

[@dexterthielhelm4342]

Personally I felt it was a tad bit overdone, especially with the cheesewiz joke. I mean I like how he lost his Physique and it makes sense, but then again I can’t see the emotional hits hit as hard without the beer belly

[@siddharth_0771]

@@dexterthielhelm4342 why will he be emotional if he is a drunken man for 5 years? He drinks beer to forget everything but when Hulk took the name of Thanos he became emotional. Drunken man are often dumb and cringy.

[@sbeveguggenheim4935]

I've struggled with depression for most of my adult life and when Thor said "I'm still worthy" I just straight up started crying

[@ForeverSweetx3]

Me too!!

[@VulpesChama]

"He got a massive hammer, that can easily be interpreted as a phallic symbol." You want to know something funny? Thor is not just the 'God of Thunder', but was aslso associated with all kinds of stuff... including fertility. Yes. That hammer cannot just be interpreted as a phallic symbol, it actually be should interpreted as a phallic symbol. Just like it should be interpreted as a symbol for all craftsmen, as he was also considered their patron god. - Aside from that, the Endgame Marvel-Thor is the most norse-God Thor we've ever got.

[@nyceric95]

Are you Thor, the god of phallic symbols?

[@RudCh01]

"The hammer is my penis" -Captain Hammer

[@ShibuNub3305]

Imagine being beat to death by an immortal space-god with an Uru Dildo

[@antona.1327]

1. Sif, his wife, is associated with fertility and motherhood. But since the MCU butchered any chance of Thor and Sif as a couple (thanks, Taika), this fact is obsolete in this context. 2. Mjolnir represents heart, not what's in your pants. That's why people wear it as amulet close near their hearts. 3. Norse Gods weren't fat halfwits who were unloyal to their brethren (cough, Warriors Three, cough) and were allowing themselves to be the butt of jokes. CB Thor is how Norse Thor would look and be like, brave, strong, and serious like a nail.

[@CaptStoveRogers]

“Thor: The Dark Thor”... I see we have a Weekly Planet listener on our hands! Amazing video man, Thor’s arc is the best in the movie and I defend it to the death all the time. The look on his face when Mjolnir comes to him and he says “I’m still worthy” is just beautiful.

[@MrSeals1000]

The vocal emotion in the lines "I'm still worthy" and "I went for the head", are what absolutely sell his character to me

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

Stove501 This is my absolute favorite scene in the entire movie, the discussion with his mom and Mjolnir coming back to him were by far the best scenes in the movie IMO.

[@eibun2011]

Weekly wackadadoos

[@JobiWan144]

Huh? What's that?

[@trevorphilips9065]

Too bad he's a joke through out the movie

[@T2-C2]

I personally loved Thor in Endgame from my first viewing. This perfectly communicates what I loved and appreciated about it.

[@enkiimuto1041]

My only issue is that Watiti's style kinda downplays heartfelt moments. After finally having thor embracing that I'm a bit concerned.

[@arsenal.618]

💯💯

[@ocarinaot452]

"Thor is just delighted" *Kick to the face*

[@mysterium368]

Dimentio? Cool.

[@ocarinaot452]

@@mysterium368 thanks!

[@ryanmann9842]

I thought that was a curb stomp

[@3Rayfire]

@@ryanmann9842 No, no, a curbstomp is to the back of the head. (read that in the voice of the Spaceball who corrected Lonestar on proper Vulcan Neck Pimch application).

[@FullFatVideos]

Hahahah the face kick does get a chuckle out of me

[@vedarovski4110]

I just realized Thor and Thanos changed exact oppositely. Thor was emotional and vengeful. Now, he is focused on the mission. Thanos(Older) was focused on the mission but now he(younger) is emotional and vengeful.

[@benobrien2030]

I absolutely love the idea of fat Thor, I mean it’s what you’d expect from most people never mind someone who had never suffered a defeat, was literally a god and had everything he ever wanted. Then to go from that to losing pretty much everything, his parents, both of which right in front of him, and his brother who he had just reconciled with and was close to after constantly fighting, and losing his best friend too, again right in front of him. To go from him literally being perfect and having the perfect life, how was he meant to deal with that. I also loved the way he looked with the braided beard and shit, looked like a proper Viking, it was amazing, I prefer it over the look of infinity war Thor.

[@antona.1327]

Heimdall was his best friend? The dude was a stranger to Thor in the first movie. Speaks volumes of how badly the MCU treated Thor if you can't even reference his actual fiends because you know he never said anything about their demise (thanks,Waititi). AlsoVikings didn't braid their hair,there is no evidence for that.

[@john-olivierlukama1548]

​@@antona.1327 "a best friend?" "Stab through the heart"

[@KevinACarroll1996]

When I first saw Endgame I found fat Thor amusing, but was didn't see the heart that he had in Infinity War with Rocket. But afterwards I read a comment from someone on Reddit who said they loved it and explained why. If I remember correctly the commentor's mother had passed away a few years earlier and he had become depressed and gained a lot of weight, his friends would make jokes about his weight, and to cover up his pain he would hide behind humor just like Thor in Endgame. When he fist saw fat Thor being used for jokes he didn't really like it because it seemed like it was just jokes about how Thor is sad and fat now, but the heart to heart between Thor and his mother brought him to tears because that's exactly what he needed, but never had the opportunity to hear that from his mother again. After reading his comment I viewed Thor in Endgame very differently and he went from being disappointing in Endgame, to being my absolute favorite.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

People need to realize that we all deal with PTSD and depression in different and similar ways. Thor's character in Endgame was the best.

[@kaimemes]

Kevin Carroll damn I send my love to that man

[@jacookie9707]

Beautiful story. I think everyone can give a nod to a marvel movie that gave them something they needed

[@radicallyindepedentauthor]

I just had to tweet this comment. Beautiful.

[@LazGato]

Goes to show that sometimes we need to see things from a different angles in order to appreciate it for what it actually is.

[@taylorhughes4130]

At first i was mad because they were making jokes about someone who clearly had ptsd but the way you articulated that was perfect. Thank you!

[@FullFatVideos]

Taylor Hughes no problem Taylor! Thank you for watching :)

[@urdnotstark8270]

Hot Take; Thor's best look is his top knot and braided beard while dual wielding two of the most powerful weapons in the universe. He honestly looks like a barbarian ripped straight from a DnD Campaign Edit: wow! Over a thousand likes? I guess my take isn’t that hot if this many people agree with me?

[@HGmolotov]

Or like an actual viking

[@smrttgrl]

He looked FUCKING AMAZING

[@carluyabut2824]

A proper viking god

[@josharntt]

@@HGmolotov Well, at least an actual movie Viking

[@Liliputian07]

@@josharntt well, hey, no horn helmet

[@sahelanthropus-1777]

"You are unworthy of the loved ones you have betrayed" this memory must have echoed endlessly in his thoughts while he wallowed in rage, shame and powerlessness after his failure to stop Thanos. In his eyes he was no god or king, beings such as his father would never have allowed half the universe's life to be wiped out indiscriminately.

[@vedarovski4110]

Frigga and Thor scene was what Thor needed. It was satisfying to watch.

[@thehappyheartwanders]

"Hemsworth keeps going from strength to strength". So true! He gets better with every film. The way he keeps the pain brimming under the jokes in Endgame is truly a masterclass. I can't wait to see what he brings to Thor 4.

[@GoldenEggWitch]

Personally I was perfectly accepting of fat Thor. Even though on a physical level I can’t relate, on an emotional level it makes sense and I relate. He’s a sad sack just like me and it was so pathetic yet so endearing. He uses his humor to hide his pain even though he feels like shit. I love it.

[@ejewart1450]

I agree. Fat Thor isnt really fat Thor. Hes depressed Thor. Hes PTSD Thor. I think thats why out of all the Avengers, Tony relates to him most, having suffered with PTSD after the first Avengers. When Thor tries to take the gauntlet its Tony who meets him on an emotional level and manages to communicate with him. The weight is just a way to physically express the fact this guy is not ok. It would have been a much more visually darker path, but it would be equally fitting for Endgame Thor to have self harm scars. Fat Thor is not fat Thor. The point is not that hes fat. The point is he is broken. When Hulk says Thanos' name, thats a PTSD trigger response there. You can see in Thors eyes he is reliving the snap. He is actually psychologically triggered.

[@readwrecks]

I never thought of the moment when Cap is revealed to be wielding the hammer as a character moment for Thor, but you guys are absolutely fucking right. That was awesome.

[@21700r]

As an overweight person who struggles daily with depression, Thor's arc in Endgame was fantastic to me. Yeah, some of the jokes made were in a little poor taste, but they were meant to be, because they're made by other people who are in pain, lashing out at Thor because he's "given up" to a greater degree than they have, or because he reminds them of when they were in that dark place, and there's something honest about them being harsher than they probably intend to be. I love Endgame, I love this storyline, and I'm very happy to see it given the credit it deserves

[@KanuckStreams]

8:50 As a person with chronic Depression w/ Suicidal Ideation, that quote is all to real for me. Throughout the whole video, you describe and highlight how over the span of the MCU timeline, Thor developed (in my eyes) from a "pretty cool hero" to someone that I CONNECTED with.

[@JiZz2Xtreme]

"You're a dude.. This... This is a MAN.." "Stop massaging his muscles.."

[@madtitanthanos7898]

When I saw Endgame Bro Thor in New Asgard I was aw crap really? But as soon as Thor had his conversation with Frigga and Tony I immediately understood. "Just let me do it... just let me do something good, something right." That line was very emotionally powerful. Thor feels everything he has done so far was a mistake and now he has a hcnace to make it TRULY right and even risk his life and he WANTS it. My God almost any other Director(s) wouodve ruined Thor but the Russos made him better.

[@wojteksowinski248]

26:54 Are we all just gonna ignore that amazing edit?

[@bryanamegah8858]

Now that was really cool.

[@antonlung2221]

that was beautiful!

[@Elbaz8]

@@antonlung2221 Yes,that was sweet!

[@yikelu]

The first time I saw Fat Thor revealed, I loved it instantly because I knew exactly WHY (partly in thanks to y'alls previous video). You feel the full weight of his failure in that moment, no pun intended.

[@kefkamadman]

When I first saw this movie with my friends, everyone was dumping on Thor's portrayal. Not me, I saw the hell the character was going through, and through all 3 movies, I saw his arc. I saw his fight with his own inner demons, and damn if I wasn't inspired to try to deal with my own depression.

[@thekodex1186]

At first I had this view, but because it was mainly used for comic relief and was the conclusion to the infinity saga. Looking back, it really does make sense and I am much more accepting of it, and his Vengence in the final act was legendary.

[@veggiet2009]

Man.... I forgot how I cried at that "I'm still worthy" moment. I didn't understand Thor's portrayal from the get go, but I did like him in the film from the start, it is simply refreshing to see different takes on a character, especially when they can be woven into a single narrative and they didn't have to go to a "what if" alternate universe to portray him like this.

[@thedoctor4583]

Thor is Like Shapespear's plays. Comedy: Thor: Ragnarok Tragedy: Avengers: Infinity War History: Avengers: Endgame (cause they travelled back in time to all the historical moments in the MCU)

[@MarionBaggins]

And Romance: Thor and Dark World WOW, just imagine it if they got a Shakespearean Actor to play Thor...Oh Wait, they nearly did... And they casted that actor to play Thor's Brother...Tom Hiddleston You Were *So* Close!!! (Top 3 In Casting)

[@logancook1419]

Romance: Love and Thunder

[@Carstuff111]

Fat Thor, in the end (no pun intended) was one of my favorite characters, as well as Professor Hulk. I admit that it is the MCU that made me actually like Thor as a character, and I personally think seeing him as "dad bod" Thor, was brilliant. The man was beaten, torn apart to his core losing his family and friends, his home, everything. He let Thanos snap, and that was the biggest fail of his long life...... The brilliance of showing that, even a "god" struggling with that level of depression, is hell. End Game genuinely, gave me a whole new out look on the MCU as a whole. It was so brilliantly done, and I loved every minute of it.

[@mokobaby6181]

When he met his mum again, that was emotional , heartfelt. It was a nice touch

[@WittyBitty]

Also, note how Cap and Iron Man stood calmly in the background as Thor called lightening to himself. 25:23

[@kimberlywilson7929]

I still get chills

[@jdamvp_821]

This Thor represents the Norse version of Thor very well , so anyone that complained that marvel messed up they didn’t

[@stellarhyme3]

Except that the Marvel Version of Thor is not the Norse version of Thor, it's the Marvel version which is all Sci Fi Fantasy Space God stuff. It's not muddy, grimy, Viking stuff. In the comics and in the MCU the Asgardians are just Aliens who were worshipped by the ancient Earth bound Vikings. The Endgame Thor is still the Space God Thor, he's gained some weight and grew a beard but he's still an Alien from a highly advanced race of being who ancient Earthlings thought to be Gods.

[@tristanwalker3724]

StellaRhyme3 uhhh, jason aaron’s run expliciy shows thor’s young days being a barbaric norse deity, that aspect is integral to thor especially in his “modern day marvel” self

[@Zoopadoopa23]

@@tristanwalker3724 yeah but even then Thor was a ripped pretty boy.

[@NeoSoldner]

Really? In Norse Thor he's a useless loser who embarrasses himself constantly and gets one-upped by an African lady at every turn? LOL

[@nik021298]

@@NeoSoldner that is not so far from what we saw in endgame is isn't it?

[@danielscholz5831]

Dude I gotta say take your time on your videos. If there's a problem just ignore it for the time. Your one of the best writers on essays on KZbin. Thx for the great videos on probably the best film saga period. Keep up the great work

[@jtbsmusic]

I feel that after the way Infinity War ended, this was the only way, logically, that Thor could end up. Yes, I do think they could've eased up on the fat jokes, and maybe had more heartfelt moments between him and the other OG Avengers, but I thought Hemsworth's portrayal of Thor in this film was absolutely great and probably resonated was a large part of the audience. Especially those who struggle with anxiety, depression, or have PTSD.

[@Thorozak]

I also feel like if they asked him or spoke to him about anything, Thor would have ignored or humored his way out of it. It took his mother to do that, which is fitting.

[@zechrojas2202]

My issue is that right up to the final battle he still acts like a drunken buffoon wearing dirty clothes. They were far too heavy handed with the fat jokes and depression jabs.

[@kossend1]

Or maybe...they were depicting reality, in that that is how a lot of people view/treat people struggling in that way. Maybe they were going for a warts and all depiction of the experiences of some people

[@kecrazy0305]

I thought the direction they went with thor and how they finished his arc was perfection. chefs kiss.

[@JG-kl6en]

Thors scene with Frigga is probably my favorite scene. It makes you tear up and smile because sometimes you just want your mom to tell you everything will be okay.

[@apotatofarmer2871]

Honestly, if Thor transformed back into fit Thor at the end it could've been incredibly insulting.

[@shanez1215]

A Potato Farmer Plus, it just sends the message that he wasn't really worthy to fight Thanos unless he was swole, and it disconnects the character from the audience, since they can't just get zapped by a bolt of lightning and get the body they want. That's why so much care was taken in Cap 1 to make him relatable and a good person, so we understand why he was chosen and aren't dismissive or jealous. I think they did it perfectly.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

Yeah, if he had lost the weight then truly everything we saw of him before that moment would have just been one giant fat joke instead of the incredibly bleak look at what happens to people who have lost it all and wallow in their pain.

[@laramineville]

I see a dose of fatphobia in people's despise for "Thick Thor", as in they simply cannot buy into the concept of a fat superhero. Thor of all heroes doesn't need the physicality to be one, as he's an alien god (a fat Black Widow or Black Panther would've been a bit of harder to swallow). One thing I was thinking during his introduction in the movie is how much "depression food and drink" must he have ingested to become that fat, as his metabolism must be more resistant to earthly foods (as Cap once explains his is).

[@apotatofarmer2871]

@@laramineville Yep. I also feel that fatphobia when people think that it's just a joke. People don't even take the time to recognize that there's a story being told there.

[@zechrojas2202]

They were literally making fat jokes about him the whole movie. They wouldn't even let him wield the gauntlet because he was drunk. It's not because he was fat but because how they treated his depression and overweight condition like a running gag. It got really old really fast.

[@ColeTrainWayne]

I LOVED the braided beard when he was in his black chainmail, I kinda hope he keeps the Viking look, but I kinda hope he keeps the beard but trims his hair a bit

[@darksteel913]

Having suffered from PTSD and still working on the recovery from it. Thors arc in these 3 movies is perfectly done. It is exactly how we feel. Exactly what we go through.

[@Satherian]

Honestly, Thor's arc is the best and the scenes with his mom always get me to tears. *Especially* when he summons the hammer

[@brot3am292]

I don’t know why, but seeing Thor smile as he sees he is still worthy makes me smile and tear up every time.

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

honestly I thought endgame did a great job with Thor and was really confused when some people hated it

[@joebarthram596]

As someone who struggles with weight and self-worth, I loved the job the russos did with thor in endgame.... Only one of two jokes at his expense were a little much for me, but overall I loved thor in endgame

[@valaxius]

@@joebarthram596 except the russos didnt do anything with thor in end game. the writers did. people gotta stop giving russos so much credit when its the writers not the directors who come up with the story.

[@darksideofevil13]

@@valaxius Seriously I've never understood this. And everyone does it. Same goes towards all the other major directors.

[@darksideofevil13]

Because the whole movie Thor's depression and weight aren't treated seriously. They're treated as a joke.

[@valaxius]

@@darksideofevil13 I agree. I didn't like that either.

[@jamiehayes9626]

26:54 can I just say, I absolutely love what you did with Thor's hammer there. Him throwing it in his first appearance for it to then travel through the subsequent movies, only for it to land back in his hand in Endgame. Absolutely brilliant.. I almost shed a tear (as if Endgame wasn't saddening enough) 😍

[@1TutorialBoss]

Detail I just noticed about Thor. Thanks to the mechanical eye, he now has heterochromia

[@tonatiuhcortes9968]

I NEVER NOTICED HE WENT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE HEAD IN THE FINAL BATTLE OMFG THIS JUST MADE ME LOVE IT EVEN MORE THANKYOU

[@yudadicki7764]

I remember when the first time i watched this myself, and the moment the fat Thor appears and deliver all that shtty jokes, i cried. As someone who came frome a broken home, i saw my parents fight a lot when i was a kid, they even asked me to choose which want to follow when i was like 6/7yo. And it's continued until i become a highschooler, because that's when they choose to finally broke up. I was depressed, i gained a crazy amount of weight, from 110lbs to 150lbs. And i joke a lot, at that time I don't know why, i just found out that's what i want to do. But at some points my joke's went to far, some of my friend were mad at me, but i just don't take them seriously, i just don't care at that time. That's why the moment fat thor appears, i cried. A lot. It hits me harder than my parent ever did. And just makes me realize that the whole time is just me being depressed and trying to run away.

[@user-lp3ew1xb5u]

When you get into your 40s - you will relate more quickly.

[@corvus9829]

In my case i will go to the gym for the rest of my life, so no beer belly for me lol

[@JiZz2Xtreme]

depending on the person's race, income, and location.. white people tend to relate older as others tend to relate their entire lives b/c they havn't been blinded by money, greed, entertainment, and distractions

[@0Nathre0]

HFHFH fu :p

[@KaiserDaChoom]

@@corvus9829 sure you will mate

[@ForestRaptor]

Loved the characters arcs and all of it on first watch. The "Aw it's stupid he is fat" I feel like people kept a very surface level understanding of the movie. It happens a lot it seems. People need to be "force fed" information and intentions.... where there was a time where those could be surmised and imagined by the audience.

[@deepblume6611]

Theyre called passive viewers, we shouldnt take thier complaints seriously

[@LazGato]

Alot of main stream audience are just to dumb to ever try and put some thought and meditation into things. They just want flashy lights and cgi effects.

[@kykywox]

"Thor the Dark Thor" Not once Twice. xD

[@kossend1]

I'm glad someone else noticed that too

[@magnusanderson6681]

Its intentional. Thor, the dark [Thor movie]

[@kossend1]

@@magnusanderson6681 the title is "Thor: The Dark World"

[@mylovelybeard]

Twat mistake. I imagine he's commenting on the three movies he watched. I doubt he watched Thor or Dark World. He hasn't seen the full character arc. He barely mentions the first two movies. I imagine he's ill placed to review and comment on the Thor character development in the MCU.

[@stinkingyeti]

As someone with Depression and i'm also carrying a lot of excess weight. That "I'm still worthy" scene, well, it damn near shattered me.

[@willstrickland9952]

People dont understand depression. Or never gained weight by being sad and lazy. It made total sense to me at 1st viewing

[@potitishogun2961997]

That Mjölnir edit at the end was glorious

[@lordodysseus]

Iron Man was my favourite character in the MCU until Civil War. Then it bounced from him to Cap and back again from scene to scene. Then during Endgame it was Thor. At least until that epic moment near the end. "And I...am... Iron Man."

[@Ryan-qs3pc]

First, I wanna say this channel has some of the best movie essays on KZbin, hands down. LOVE your channel

[@abriaangel9986]

The belly was jarring at first but by the end fight scene I was like "Shoot, I don't mind a lil belly".

[@jackdailey5238]

As dumb as it might sound Thor conquering his depression and letting go of the past (with stuff like giving away the leadership of the Asgardians) helped me conquer my depression

[@MateusAntonioBittencourt]

I straight out LOVED how they handled Thor in Endgame. As someone with depression I identify. Sometimes it's so hard to do things... and so easy to joke about to mask the pain. The moment he got Mjölnir and was happy he was still worthy brought tears to my eyes. Thor Arc is amazing... and I got really disappointed after I left the theater and saw people hating on the character, and how he was handled. I'm glad someone people are finally realizing how great Thor was in character in Endgame.

[@datdesrosiers8418]

Aeternalis Armentarius he asked who joe was

[@helenl3193]

Same! I loved that he didn't change back to the buff Thoreal of previous films - he was worthy no matter how big his waist was! It underlined that being a hero (and/or good person) is about the attempt to fight for the right causes, and to continue to do this even after failures. Because failure is a part of the process - you learn from it and move on as best you can. It also echos the lesson from his mother - we all fail at being the person we think we're supposed to be, but we can succeed and even achieve greatness when we truly recognise and accept ourselves. Once you do that, you can get past your ego issues and see ways that your perceived flaws might actually have value. When we met him in Thor, he was an arrogant boy who fought for sport and glory. Now (IW & Endgame) he fights for a cause that is bigger than himself. I'm really looking forward to his next appearance, and hope that they will do justice to the developments in his character! 🤞

[@helenl3193]

@Aeternalis Armentarius that's a massively personal question! Why on earth did you think it was appropriate to ask a stranger to discuss the details of their mental health here? If someone had mentioned having cancer, say, instead of depression (both medical diagnoses) as part of contextualising their opinions. Would you think it was acceptable to ask them where they had cancer, or what stage it was, etc? (if your answer to that is yes, you're wrong.) Prying into people's health issues, mental or physical, is inconsiderate and often emotionally draining for the people involved. We don't want our every conversation to revolve around our ailments, or to become just 'that girl with the [illness] / [in the chair]'. Talking about the details can mean reliving them, and bringing up painful memories. Plus it gets tedious fast! I'm disabled and the number of complete strangers on public transport, who think it's acceptable to just start asking me about "what happened?", or make sweeping statements and wild assumptions like "you're on the mend though, right? You'll be back to normal soon..." the implication being I'm less than normal in my current (permanent) state, that I must aspire to improve. That staying the way I am is undesirable and makes people uncomfortable. Stop asking, it's none of your business. No one owes you an explanation of their health/experiences. If they choose to share, great, get involved in a respectful and meaningful way. Let them lead it though

[@Hadrian1616]

Rene Russo healed his spirit, then Mjolnir healed his confidence. Great video guys. Chris Hemsworth's acting is on point and so versatile. I enjoy your channel so much.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*_Can't wait to let NoobMaster69 appear on our movie screen as the main villain for the next Thor movie._*

[@stimulanttree]

And then the best ending being Thor ripping NoobMaster69's arms off and shoving them up his butt. Saying something like "I told you I'd do this"

[@magnusanderson6681]

@@stimulanttree but it is bittersweet because this is only after NoobMaster got the Victory Royale

[@dracu9833]

heard the theory that deadpool is noobmaster69

[@Rikorage]

26:55 This was awesome. Can't wait for his next solo movie, and him with the GUARDIANS, BOIIIIIIII!

[@stevestolarczyk8972]

Thank you so much for not only appreciating the character they’ve put together, but being able to communicate what makes him so remarkable.

[@bloodyneptune]

That lightning-makeover at the beginning of the 3rd act is one of my fav bits of the movie, and the best I think he's looked as Thor so far. That was a _Viking God_

[@justincredible9302]

Oh man Thor didn't disappoint me at all in End Game, I loved every second of the movie.

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

Thor Ragnarok Avengers: Infinity War Avengers: Endgame This was pretty much Thor's trilogy! Nothing against Thor and The Dark World but I felt after the first Thor film the writers really didn't know what to do with him, but Waititi and the Russo's gave Thor the arc he deserved!

[@SuperSupermanX1999]

I always got the impression that they weren't quite confident enough with the earlier films. He's such an out-there character that you have to do some truly bizarre stuff with, but they clearly didn't think audiences were ready for that so they did stories about Thor on Earth instead. After the success of Guardians 1 they realised "yeah, we can get away with doing some weird shit. Let's go all out!" and it really paid off.

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

@@SuperSupermanX1999 Most definitely!

[@Fordring1776]

Thor: The Dark Thor*

[@goldenwolf7154]

I agree.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@SuperSupermanX1999 The key insight was seeing Thor had lived as a rich frat boy for 1500 years going from victory to victory.

[@samuellrodd1214]

“Go and look in your own closet and sort your shit out first” I’m gonna be using that a lot.

[@Raasclark]

Around 15:00 to 15:30 really resonated with me personally. I truly hope it does with so many other people out there. Excellent essay dude 👌

[@Prince_Luci]

Fat Thor was a personal inspiration. I really appreciated that he didn’t just ZAP his abs back to fight thanos. Depression and weight gain are serious issues even if you’re a god and the moment he gets his hammer back and he stays heavy personally felt right to me. I felt it was only natural that he learned he could still be a hero even if he wasn’t ripped anymore.

[@papier9239]

"Thor: The Dark Thor" 25:55

[@GriffinheartPlays]

First time I saw Fat Thor, I loved him. I just saw myself... a depressed fat man who's in need of a new reason in life... I can relate to that a lot

[@gattafonijp]

Your two videos about thor are A MUST WATCH before Love and Thunder!! What you did was amazing! Truly amazing!!

[@tylerlarson6922]

Man, you do such a great job examining the emotional connection behind the character development. For this video, the other Thor video, and the Star Lord video I have always gotten choked up. Thank you for your videos

[@nickreed3924]

I've been saying that ragnorak to endgame has been the greatest trilogy for thor and afterwards I've been saying my favorite avenger now is thor. I couldnt quite figure out why until now. You explained it perfectly.

[@IoanCenturion]

*Thank you!* I've been seeing so many people complaining about this, and now I've got a fantastic video to point them to that expresses my exact thoughts. Liked and subbed.

[@Sp1990-x8u]

Great video! it really shows why Thor is one of the best characters in the MCU and one of the most underrated

[@maximilianjohandson3382]

It's so insane how good those movies where. Truly cinematic history.

[@rohanalias9053]

I agree

[@matthewparker9276]

I knew I had a problem with all the complaints about endgame Thor, thank you for explaining why. Also bogan Thor fighting Thanos looked awesome.

[@Marg_Sabl]

Ok but you didn’t have to flex that hard with that Mjnolnr montage

[@firefighter4532]

I’m personally soooo glad Thor in Endgame was a surprise

[@efoxkitsune9493]

Agreed!!

[@HypernovaBolts11]

Dude that cut about Mjölnir being thrown and coming back, YES!

[@jacob_urboi]

This video didn't age that well with the new Thor movie.

[@Serevarno]

Just completely left out him losing his mom and three of his closest friends.

[@wcapewell3089]

He covered that in the other episode.

[@AetherLiger]

I keep Hearing "Thor the Dark Thor" instead of "Thor: The Dark World"

[@CreepFreak541]

Is no one going to mention how amazing that Mjölnir throw editing at the end was?

[@jollimaiahtacksworth]

I really love it when people get analytical about movies and tv series, ur channel is perfect for that. subbed.

[@joseramirez-hh2sw]

14:10 I thought no one understood just how brave that was. Edit: also thank you