Thor-Smashing Coins into Awesome Rings (w/ Alex Rangel)

[@randominternetbro6562]

Do keep in mind the difference between quenching and annealing steel and something like copper. Quenching steel will harden it. Of course, quenching copper in this case would soften it. Other metals that are softened by quenching are some aluminums, zincs, nickels, etc.

[@jessetheunending9357]

I came looking for this comment. Thank you

[@stich1960]

Oo I learned something today

[@dougsinthailand7176]

Right. Copper gets work-hardened and iron doesn’t.

[@nilsschenkel7149]

@@dougsinthailand7176 Work hardening is nothing else than introducing fault lines in the cristalline structure of a metallic workpiece, and you can do it with any ductile alloy.

[@minefreak2000]

Thanks! Only really working with steel the video was very confusing to me

[@PigCake]

I want one person to harness all the skills learned throughout the years on this channel and become the one true rogue

[@TheRealAlpha2]

I've always said these channels could result in some sort of super spy skills.

[@AdrianChazz]

​@@TheRealAlpha2 I mean... That's the reason 80% of us are here... right?

[@dougsinthailand7176]

His names Brian.

[@JayAlastor]

i believe brian and murphy are true rogues of elders trying to teach the true rogue

[@octakhan4673]

Don't venture into the dungeons of doom!

[@timothyhayes9724]

"you don't want to turn into a Smurf?" That is some really niche science knowledge and I love it. For those of you who don't know, silver build up in the body has been known to make people turn blue or purple. The condition is call Argyria

[@wtechboy18]

for people who are confused by the quenching/annealing process: Non-ferrous (no iron) alloys tend to react very differently to heat treatment compared to ferrous materials. Steel hardens if you heat & then quench it, while it gets soft if you heat it and let it cool slowly. Non-ferrous alloys like this coin do the exact opposite - slow cooling hardens, quenching softens.

[@pypeapple]

Thank you! I was wondering about that

[@insederec]

Not strictly a ferrous property, moreso that there are some, usually cuprous alloys, that do not harden by quenching. Gold and silver will both harden by quenching.

[@SocketSlinger]

Ty I was hoping someone would make this clear for people that didn't know. That information is very important with many different projects.

[@spiranomad]

The deburring tool, as simple as it is, ends up becoming such an essential toolbox addition. You don't realize how much you need one until you have one.

[@Lookinglost]

Gentlemen, I'm so glad to see you post a full video again. I was beginning to wander if you'd been captured by the Changelings.

[@killshotminer]

Always nice to see Alex Rangel, as an old fan of Scam School, I still remember and love the trick he did with the cut deeper force where he got really lucky to have the card in a random spot in the deck, or when he showed off the escaping the rubber band trick

[@MorganaDarkgoddess]

I love the episodes like this one, where you're actually learning something. Those rings are beautiful!

[@braydenchadwick9836]

Especially when they know everything about what they’re teaching, I loved the bbq guys when he was on

[@TheSelphir]

I would REALLY love to see you guys work with Alex Steele one time. That man knows all things forging.

[@TheBigburcie]

And Alec would definitely be down to making something dangerous/ridiculous.

[@yunglimez7653]

the collab i didn’t know i needed

[@upinarms79]

Hey, great to see Alex on MR finally. He's a man of many talents it seems, and a good instructor. I've always wanted to try making coin rings but I just don't have the kind of patience it takes. This method seems faster than some I've seen that just use a mandrel and a whole lot of tapping. Alex talks about coating it with clear powder coat for protection, but I have to wonder if polyurethane would work as well and whether it'd last very long. Good work guys, it's good to see you back, especially with Alex.

[@alexrangel3177]

Aww, thanks for the kind words!

[@upinarms79]

​@@alexrangel3177 You're quite welcome. You're on of my favorite magicians to watch on Scam Nation. Don't be shy about being on MR. You're a good performer and you have a lot of fans around here.

[@CallousCoder]

Oh man, this is so cool! I’d love to give this a try. Always admired blacksmiths. Forged in Fire is also the only TV show I watch. The craftsmanship is really orgasmic, just like tiny fingers are.

[@TheSummerChu]

They're back! I've missed the standard videos, it's all been shorts and promos for weeks now.

[@marksis]

Summer vacation? ;-)

[@wesleyrussell8386]

My grandpa was in the merchant marines in WWII, going all over the world and ending up with a few silver florins from Australia. He took one and made a ring out of it- story goes, he would tap the edge on the bulkhead of the ship until it flattened out, then carved out the middle with a knife. Similar product, very different method and with a different result; the outside was a smooth silver and the inside had the words from the coin. Forget exactly what they are, something like "1 silver florin" and "god save the queen". He died not long before I was born. When I was in (high school?) I found another of his silver florins and along with wearing that ring he had made, I decided to make my own the same way. Not exactly the same way- I tried to tap it against the concrete floor of the garage and mostly just dug divots. Took a hammer to it and made quicker progress. Tried to carve it out with a knife, wasn't having much luck, took the dremel to it. Eventually had a ring made out of a florin just like the one my grandpa made. Proposed to my wife with the one I made, they still wear it on their middle finger (I had made it to fit my finger 15 years beforehand, it was a little big :P) EDIT: lmao somehow I typed grandma first time around instead of grandpa. Bet there's some other fun easter eggs in here too

[@alexrangel3177]

Beautiful method, "spooning" takes hours and hours and hours. Which is why it was very popular in the military and not being funny, prisons.

[@InnerSilence123]

0:35 when you said "a rapidly decreasing currency" the first thing that came to mind was "what? you cant make a ring out of bitcoin..."

[@Tunkkis]

I go to a trade school to become a machinist and I can agree, those deburring tools really are fun to use.

[@justinbanks2380]

I love how knowing he's a magician and having watched him before, he's guiding the guys like he's doing a magic trick. "Okay put the coin here. Great. Know Brian, put your thumb here and tear this off..." 😂 Still waiting for something to disappear, lol. I love you Rogues. And it's always great to see Alex! He is quite the Renaissance man it would seem. But regardless of what role he is choosing. Always a pleasure to watch. Great teacher and showman.

[@alexrangel3177]

Appreciate you sir, ✌️

[@robertfrank16]

I've missed the Modern Rogue!

[@AdrianChazz]

DUDE! I love that Macuahuitl you've got hangin back there, huh! *_Cuz I'm A Prehispanic Rooooguee!!_* Unrelated note, here's a toast: _To all my fellow rogues, acquainted and otherwise, it's been quite a journey, lot's of lessons learnt._ _May the Duo keep reuniting us for many years to come!_ _Here's to adventure, to mischief, to rogues.I know we'll meet again..._ _-Cuz we're the Modern Rogues._

[@Chris10095]

As a coin collector this process pains me but man the ring looks amazing!

[@scott_hunts]

At least it’s not a Morgan or a peace dollar.

[@Tunkkis]

@@scott_hunts And then, at the very end, he does confess to having made a ring from a Morgan silver dollar.

[@scott_hunts]

@@Tunkkis yeah, that part hurts

[@mavericktheace]

There was a lot of excitement in Jason's eyes when Dawson's Creek came up.

[@stiansberg7869]

Great teacher. Very pedagogically presented.

[@the___dude]

That scene from Hacking the system made me feel old lol. I remember it being one of my favourite shows back then. It's amazing how far these guys have come

[@Mussoi7000]

finally, i missed seeing actual content in this channel

[@djafk]

9:48 For some reason, I was waiting for him to make the coin disappear lol!

[@suzz1776]

Pro tip: when u anneal it, turn the lights down in the room so you can see the colors turning better. (My mom taught me this and she is a professional enamel artist and metal former)

[@sstorholm]

A correction, allowing it to cool slowly would make it even more ductile, quenching is actually suboptimal for annealing. The annealing happens when you heat a metal over its annealing temperature, where the grain structure resets. This applies for most metals. Steels are the weird one out here, as they have several different grain structures depending on temperature due to the carbon added to the iron, so when you harden a steel, you’re freezing a certain grain structure in place by quenching, and then tempering it to regain some ductility by heating it to a lower temperature and allowing some of the grain structure to change into a less fragile grain structure.

[@llaneelyort5599]

For those working with metals...NEVER touch your face or rub your eyes after working with metal. Micro slivers (transfer from fingers) of metals can easily become embedded in the eyes.

Seeing a magician handle a coin I cannot stop thinking about when the coin will vanish or transform.

[@keepermovin5906]

It transforms into a ring, pretty cool trick.

[@onlyKentrop]

It was the tap of the mandrel as well, my brain just went "Oh, this is a magic trick, and it's a hardware wand..."

[@charleslambert3368]

IIRC a lot of cultures traditionally considered blacksmiths to be similar to shamans

[@scottg5771]

As a coin collector, doing this to silver coinage bothers me. Doing this to a "gold" dollar bothers me less.

[@justinbellio2285]

Nobody's doing this to high-end collectible silver coins. They're doing it with walking liberties that were made in the millions and are being sold and traded right now for just there is scrap silver weight value .... They're not pristine mint collector's pieces

[@johnwallace2319]

Finally a new episode!

[@JudithOpdebeeck]

this has got to be the best thing he ever taught on this show

[@alexrangel3177]

The best!

[@slug..]

What a genuine awesome person he is such talent

[@alexrangel3177]

Hey thanks man!

[@GryphonBrokewing]

Hmmm...wonder what the old metal tokens used in video game arcades of the 1980's and early 90's were composed of? I wouldn't be able to do this with coins, but those tokens were never legal tender outside the arcade and can't be used now...

[@mitchellgoodloe5262]

Next time, Thor-smash awesome rings into coins and purchase goods with said coins

[@ccortez392]

We did this in my high school welding class. We used 50 cent coins though.

[@leppeppel]

Gasp! A MR video that's not a goddam short!

[@jakeperkins7871]

HEYYYY, great to see you guys back

[@Mr_Phox]

They're back!

[@scorelesssteve]

Really interested in this skill any link on the tools used and pvc used?

[@Hydro-od2rt]

I’m confused about the annealing I’m a jeweller and work with things like brass in school and they told us too wait till it cools off on so it dosnt sizzle in water befor pickling it

[@mytube001]

Love the guy's accent. "Haymer", "saynded"!

[@alexrangel3177]

🤣

[@mikedreagon7756]

In the video they made it for around a size 10 but how would you make one for a smaller finger? Would you get a smaller punch?

[@alexrangel3177]

Same punch size but when you got to around halfway to your target size, flip and bang away. If you're short, you can start to work your coin around the mandrel.

[@aaronyoung8301]

Back in high-school I used washers instead of coins and did the whole thing cold. It was more "hit this until this thing happened, hit the drift on the edge of anvil, hit flat and keep working until even" It took a bit of guess work and there was a possibility of it splitting, but they all came out nice.

[@justinbanks2380]

@Alex Rangel what is the name of the fancier punch you used? This has been on my list of things to try for a very long time

[@alexrangel3177]

Sorry, thought I replied. This was a Jason's Works center punch. Easy to find him on Etsy. ✌️

[@justinbanks2380]

@@alexrangel3177 awesome! Thanks for the reply! Always great seeing on videos, knowing you're a magician, the whole time I was expecting something to disappear or something. The way you'd hold the tools or present the coin. The way you'd direct them, like, hold this here. Great. Now put your thumb here and tear that off. Great. You are always a pleasure to watch. It seems you're also quite the Renaissance man. I hope to see you again soon, whether magic or other wise.

[@alexrangel3177]

@@justinbanks2380 ❤️

[@Castheknotted]

I do be missing these episodes

[@estivon2464]

My grandfather used to make these

[@erikjansen3839]

8:37 that's most likely High speed steel as there is no such thing as Carbide steel and Tungston Carbide is very much the wrong material for a small bend blade like this

[@GrumpyTy34er]

I’m assuming you just need to remove enough material from the center so that you can fit it over the mandrel? Edit: ended up buying the punch set from Harbor Freight. First ring isn't perfectly centered but good enough for me; I tried just drilling out the center but it didn't work. Also, if you see an aluminum mandrel online, don't get it; get a steel one if you want to use it to make rings like this.

[@devilbub8709]

15 seconds in and Jason is making a Batman reference. Only good things can come from this

[@ckontny123]

Where did you get the better tool to cut the hole?

[@alexrangel3177]

That is a Jason's Works center punch. Great guy, super high quality punch.

[@UnlikelyZebra]

Annealing is typically done in steel by getting the work piece as hot as you would for quenching then letting it cool, not submerging it in oil or water. Am I crazy or is he just straight up wrong? I'd perform work on the piece and occasionally heat it up to as hot as my torch gets without melting then let it cool naturally in sand to anneal work hardening materials like copper.

[@alexrangel3177]

Depending on the metals you're working with. For ferris metals, you would be correct. For copper and silver, the Mason jar bath is the way to go.

[@kennyxkazuki713]

I have almost no idea what I'm talking about, but Isn't quenching what you do to harden something, and leaving it out what you do to soften it?

[@alexrangel3177]

Depends on the metal that you're working with. 💪

[@Banzai_AWOS]

@@alexrangel3177 yeah with ferrous metals and alloys because the "crystallization" is different, however most non-ferrous metals, like alloys of copper, aluminum, or nickel, and some high alloy steels such as austenitic stainless steel (304, 316), produce an opposite effect when these are quenched: they soften. you can look up heat treating on wikipedia to check it out

[@TheMapleMandalorian]

FINALLLYYYYYY!

[@kevinbihari]

Could be me, but that is not THE definition of annealing right? I thought the atoms had to realign themselves so you heat it to above the crystalisation temp, keep it there and let it very slowly cool down. This would be hardning

[@WalterRiggs]

Yay! Not a short!

[@stephencunniffe823]

By God he is one talented man.

[@alexrangel3177]

Appreciate you!

[@justinbanks2380]

Yeaaaah... Jason saying it's going to be fine is one of the most ominous sounding things I've ever heard... Have no idea why, but yeah... 🤣

[@mbg8733]

He said that when hardening steel, you just let it cool slowly in air. That would be annealing. Hardening is done by quenching. And you could not harden the coins in the video by just laying them around, that would also soften them. You would work harden them to make them harder.

[@digrat]

"It's like a glass of farts." lol

[@JWelk92]

I made a ring out of a quarter once. not nearly as nice though. kinda wanna make another one now

[@rosanapancino4343]

THEY ARE BACK

[@CGrahamWorks]

Shout out Dawson Creek!!!

[@collinvauk1937]

So glad y’all ain’t dead. Welcome back

[@otherrestrained4405]

quenching and annealing are contradictory of eachother

[@Tactical_Hotdog]

Whoa whoa whoa, stop stop stop 5:45 what did Brian do to his hand? Where's the injury counter?!

[@ModernRogue]

oh, that one's fairly mild: my bike slid and I skinned my hand. -BB

[@thejackofclubs]

how have they never seen a deburring tool

[@Reddotzebra]

With how often the injury counter is reset, are you really surprised? XD

[@Tactical_Hotdog]

Maybe they've never had the need to use one? I've never seen one either.

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

@@Tactical_Hotdog I've never had reason to use one, nor have I seen one in person, but I certainly have seen them used in numerous videos that would be right up Brian and Jason's alley.

[@leppeppel]

Huh, I literally just learned liver of sulphur was a thing this morning reading about phlogiston theory.

[@alexrangel3177]

I also read minds. Hashtag Banana Chex.

[@Zane.Wellnitz]

Quenching anneils certain metals and hardens others

[@JakHart]

"You have tiny fingers." Coming from Alex, this just might be a compliment.

[@ArgonZavious]

With the number of people turning out of mint coins to rings, i bet the collector price of em is going up...

[@rhoemberg1969]

Annealing Annealing and Anneal again !

[@vishaallalchand4124]

How do you make it smaller without making it look uneven if it got too big?

[@alexrangel3177]

Start your "upside-down" fold sooner.

[@BarteldsJunior]

@@alexrangel3177 how does different materials affect the process. Like using Euro-Coins or more ancient coins? (You mentioned brittleness and more careful but anything else?)

[@alexrangel3177]

@@BarteldsJunior the big thing you want to look out for is ferris metals. They become way too hard to fold.

[@BarteldsJunior]

@@alexrangel3177 ah ok. Thanks for the quick answer :) appreciate you taking your time to answer questions in the comments

[@alexrangel3177]

@@BarteldsJunior of course man, good vibes to ya.

[@PrincessTS01]

id love a ring of power

[@TruFrag]

as someone that makes rings I just kept yelling at the screen Use a Dremel!

[@shychi7772]

Crazy cuz some of those coins worth thousands

[@willthewise420]

Lookie who posted thanks Mr crew for the content as always

[@meatwilliams]

Modern rogue--you guys have totally vanished from my suggested feed--what’s with that?/ I just went searching for you. Glad you’re still going.

[@themagentleman6735]

Why did Dracula not want to attend the business meeting? He was afraid of the stakeholders.

[@isbilen1000]

Heck yeah, another tutorial from my favourite rogues, on how to commit federal crime!

[@Dyecast568]

I think you guys may have offended the KZbin Overlords. I haven’t gotten a notification about your stuff for a very long time. Apparently you have been posting though

[@zalbercook]

I'm telling you guys it sounds like you're Stephen Hawking doing your credits

[@fop6033]

Hey Brian, I see you wearing a garmin watch...I definitely sent you a friend request!

[@MrRowskey]

I wonder how he feels it compares to his old Pebble.

[@erichutchins4325]

All you had say was Alex rangel

[@Ghostorias.]

Yes just let them play with blades... what could go wrong?

[@talsgi1577]

Make an episode all about chess!

[@jelkehuisman]

Am I mistaken or does Brian have a Pip-boy background on his watch? XD

[@ModernRogue]

I do! It even shows Pip Boy as "critical" when I don't walk enough steps.

[@jelkehuisman]

@@ModernRogue that's awesome. I considered buying a smart watch just for the pip boy background aswell XD

[@enigma0z]

What happened to the audio on this video? Everyone's voices sound like they've been processed weirdly

[@jjosua]

What Alex said about annealing was pretty far off. When you quench (dunk in water, brine, oil) you harden the metal, letting it slowly cool down is how you anneal it.

[@violentmagician1]

How is quenching the same as annealing?

[@mossdavis4447]

It depends on the metal, ferrous metals like steel harden when you quench them, copper and nickel and silver and the like all become softer and more pliable when heated and quenched.

[@mrboberson7424]

After some really brief looking around, looks like quenching silver will anneal it; though, quenching steel will harden it.

[@gray7223]

no, quenching hardens ferrous metals only, so what he's saying is correct.

[@Dman0001]

Yeah I caught that. Now the reverse is true yor copper and gold. They harden when hammered and heating resoftenes

[@jerrysanchez5453]

That's not how annealing works with steel

[@alexrangel3177]

But with rings and peanut butter, it works great!

[@nrvanderpoel76]

3

[@tempest4170]

In the first minute gang, rise up

[@fictionalortrue541]

Rise like leavened bread!

[@TheRealzPope]

What about first sixteen minutes…

[@tempest4170]

@@TheRealzPope I guess you can stay

[@suxialu5358]

hello

[@alittlewooper9276]

is it just my ears playing up or was the audio a little weird?

[@eminatorstudios]

noise cancelation on the post edit of the audio can do that sometimes

[@pedrocarrijo8594]

Tks for adding the brl, all Brazil Thanks you.

[@yomamaso100]

Smithing : 100

[@-s0m1k-]

Guys, something’s wrong with your microphones. Cool video, but it is quite hard to watch because of problems with voice recording. Hope it won’t reappear in the future)

[@jessehavok4181]

Crazy how you guys just commited a felony and showed everyone on the internet how to do it.

[@alexrangel3177]

Hey Jesse, so many believe that old myth. But defacing currency has to do with counterfeiting. Actually making art and jewelry is protected under the law. Thanks for watching though.

[@ModernRogue]

Along those lines: remember that Disneyland has those machines that will squish a penny into a keepsake. Same idea.

[@jessehavok4181]

Ah. Good to know! I loved this video, btw. I don't think I'll ever make coins into rings, but it taught me a few things.

[@JakHart]

Jason just got way cooler in my book, when he mentioned Pacey.

[@kamstr1987]

is this technically defacing currency? I feel like it's more of an improvement.

[@amol6785]

Yo