Thor vs Baldur - Who was the better villian?

Thor was robbed and Baldur was better...

[@shrey0805]

Actually, the reason behind the wound of thor not healing is that when kratos threw his axe in the lake of nine in the earlier gow 4 jomungander imbuned a poison that forbids the healing factor of gods

[@KOCChristian]

Exactly cause Jomungander poison what killed Thor in Norse myth, why it was added

[@NCWUniverse]

But it still did nothing to bulder

[@aluralovell6829]

@@NCWUniverse Because Baldur is literally immune to everything except for mistletoe? How is this a point against Thor? Literally no one else, not even Odin has that kind of immunity.

[@J3ffik]

@@NCWUniverse Baldur was blessed with invulnerability to all threats physical and magical

[@avocadoj1736]

I've read this theory loads of times, and it's just a theory made up by fans, nothing is official.

[@AntiDegenerate1971]

baldur was so much better not only as a villain but his cinematic fight scenes, dialogues, the performance, the story arc sets him apart....ik many would disagree with me but baldur is the best villain in the Norse series by far....

[@TheNaturex20]

Well I know I don’t disagree

[@GRUSTLER]

Baldur villain and story wise was better.

[@justthatrandomdude5793]

Honestly, I loved Baldur more. He was more fleshed out as well. His grief and tragedy is a lot more felt than Thor's.

[@Rman94]

One way Think they could've done to draw out/improve Thor's second fight was to have him first bring Kratos to the top of Asgard's wall for round 1, down to the city area for round 2, and then the final round in front of Odin's great hall. As for Odin's boss battle considering how much of a leech he is maybe the developers could've had Odin use his spear to absorb Thor's powers(explaining his use of mjolnir) or use a spell to control Thor like a actual mindless puppet. Or hell have him use the eight-legged horse he had in norse lore as a battle mount like Heimdall had that big cat. That would've been a good way to make a entrance during the big battle.

[@TheNaturex20]

This right here would’ve made them 10 times better. I mean it’s not like they have to achieve the impossible but at least make it a little longer with more stages!

[@barbatos8498]

I would prefer for the 1st round to be on the bifrost bridge but overall great idea

[@lordkratosthegodofwar6304]

8:01 Quick side note here, there is actually a reason why Thor cannot heal that wound. Back in GoW2018, when Jormungandr spits out the Axe, there is a tiny prompt that says "Eitr Imbued". In Norse myth, Thor kills the Serpent but its poison, Eitr, finishes him off, making the fight end with both of them dead. Since the axe has a bit of that poison imbued in it, it kinda makes sense for it to cause these wounds(although why tf it didn't work on Odin like that is kinda stupid if you ask me).

[@TheNaturex20]

Oh shoot, I remember Eitr being imbued to the axe but I didn’t know that it was his poison. That makes a lot more sense. But yeah that Odin part has me confused.

[@buildsparkling8911]

@@TheNaturex20 probably because the perk didn't activate.

[@AstralLaVista]

@@buildsparkling8911 that's a good point, we should've got some buff or something on screen during that hit just to make it clear what happened

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

the things are even with the eitr, Baldur has been hacked so many times with the axe imbued with it and compared to Thor, he is just fine like he could heal just fine, like even with the invulnerability worn off or gone.

[@buildsparkling8911]

@@tc-channelhobby4051 i guess it needs to be a deep enough wound for the venom to take effect

[@kjk607]

I'm just glad to see I'm not alone in disliking how GoW Ragnarok ended.

[@TheNaturex20]

Yeah, especially considering how amazing the start was.

[@RacooneggsJr]

In the mythology Baldurs immunity was a blessing, but in gow it was more a curse. Santa Monica took a different approach with baldur which made the story behind baldur even better.

[@TheNaturex20]

I agree with that. They were able to twist transform the mythology and make it correlate to the themes of 2018.

[@lamaansyed5953]

Baldur- *Mentally /Physical Tortured God* Thor- *Literally Broken God*

[@szocikplayerpl9544]

actually baldur doesnt look like the god of light because he went crazy. It has a lot of sense considering his story arc and it is deep thinking how freya destroyed so perfect person.

[@TheNaturex20]

Well he definitely has lived over 100 of years so he probably looked more like his role in his early days

[@presseagainidareyou4704]

He still kind of is, just very subtly Before and even after he was by far the kindest and most reasonable of the Aesir, just like the myth, but in this version that is a very low standard As for his abilities his seem to be based on energy rather than light. He is super fast, so that fits. But otherwise it seems he can absorb elemental power and use it for his own will, like in the first fight he seems to absorb the power of the axe and snow around him to make his frost attacks. While in the third fight he is again surrounded by snow and uses it to enhance himself. After getting blown up by the Crystal at the end of the second phase he is on fire, likely because he absorbed the blast and is directing it outward. By the final phase he is switching between elements probably because of how many attacks from Kratos he has absorbed.

[@Zetr0]

Yeah Baldur's final fight compared to Thor's was far better. There's literally 4 stages to that fight, and you're fighting all over the place. First fight near the river, then somewhere atop the mountain, and then back down, and then literally fighting atop Thamur. It was just a crazy good fight, the scenery was good. Compared to Thor... it was just one place. Baldur's theme, I do love. It has so many parts to it, most favorite being the part that plays when Kratos runs across the bridge to get to Atreus. But Thor's theme, you can just feel the sheer POWER. It's almost frightening when you hear it, his big bulky appearance and the way he just tanks Kratos' hits, he just feels so powerful.

[@joescwayze8876]

Baldur was definitely the better villain because he was so far gone, he couldn't be convinced to be good. Thor died because Odin wanted him to be bad. Haha. So Baldur wins for best villain. 😂😂😂

[@mandalor-8315]

When he called Kratos " DUMB ASS!!! I fell ot laughing

[@TheNaturex20]

LOL yeah that shit was hilarious

[@kommissarrex1193]

The entire ragnarok event was Dissapointing and short. Also a third Thor fight in the middle of the game was missing, and there should be much more epic fight the last Thor and Odin fight.

[@birdfanboi]

“The Fuck You Say?!?!” is my favorite Thor line

[@TheNaturex20]

That line indeed goes hard

[@ididntdoit3931]

“Dumbass” always gets me

[@Rman94]

Maybe Thor's goats Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjóstr could've been his own runic summons he'd use during his second boss fight.

[@TheNaturex20]

Good idea

[@ycarusgamer5187]

​@@TheNaturex20And the same thing with the wolves and Odin's horse in the final fight and him dying by Fenrir/Garm/Horodviltnir in the end,just like the original mythology where Odin's destiny is to be killed by the giant Wolf Just like the Wolf being killed by the son of Odin Vidar, the God of revenge, and Tyr in Ragnarok being killed by the Wolf Garm, where they both kill each other,I missed more Valkyries in the game and others Aesir Gods protecting Asgard,for example: Hermod,Bragi,Idunn,Forseti,Ullr,Meili and finally Vali and Vidar and Odin's brothers Vili and Vê Together with This Hodr would no longer be possible since he is a blind archer and he dies at the hands of his own brother Vali who kills him avenging Baldur's death How I wanted these gods in the game, it's a shame they didn't put them... Who knows, maybe in a DLC or next game,let's hope And pray it happens... 🥺🤧 Like and Bye!

[@sarahjessicafarter7383]

Baldur was genuinely likeable. His attitude to his mother Freya was wrong but that was about it. Thor, by contrast, had a long history of savagely murdering innocents. Baldur's hyperactivity was also funny and he was charismatic.

[@TheNaturex20]

I agree. Baldurs personality adds to the replay ability for all of his boss fights and encounters. He’s definitely a top tier God of War character.

[@ZhaziTheBeast]

I really felt baldur's pain in the first game. imo Freya was the real villain in GoW, she refused to let her son have a life out of her selfish need to keep the one good thing odin gave her, and in the end her actions only lead to pain for everyone involved. It was such bullshit when kratos said "I shouldn't have stolen that choice from you" in Ragnarok. Baldur was choking her to death, so Kratos saved her life, and if he let her die Baldur wouldn't just live happily ever after, He would attack kratos again, then kratos would still have to kill him, meaning the moral of Ragnarok is "If a woman wants to kill yourself, you're a bad person for not letting her." I know that's a popular sentiment nowadays, but it's just plain evil and makes me not care about 2 of the main characters in ragnarok since they're so retarded

[@TheNaturex20]

Omfg bro you are speaking so much facts right now. I know they were trying to make Kratos feel like the bigger person when he said that, but it did come off weird for me as well. Baldur was already deranged and he had to die one way or another. It’s understandable for Freya to be mad to loose her son but it still had to be done.

[@ZhaziTheBeast]

@@TheNaturex20 Yeah, I would've been so much more attached to her if she had a "It's all my fault. Though your hands killed him, it was my spell that made him never have a life." Instead she basically says "Am I at fault? No, it's the Odin who are wrong"

[@jizou1581]

i dont think baldur would have attacked kratos after tbh

[@gameover9390]

@@jizou1581 He literally says to Kratos “I will deal with you later”

[@YoungSweezy]

Some may say, that Baldur was better of the brothers, but looking more into Thor, his tragedy is more relatable, father issues, addiction issues, dissapointed his family, its more human and you can see his grief whole game, every single of his face expression just shows you what is going in his head, but its so subtle, you wont recognize it on first playtrough, because in the first half you dont exactly know his whole story and may think he is just bored or hungover. Also because he is father who can just let lose and destroy same as Kratos, his final interaction with Kratos just hit better. But Baldur is more fun to watch for sure, and same with Thor, on first interaction you can interpret his actions as cocky crazy hobo viking, but in another layer he is destroyed by his "blessing" for years, like he constantly doesnt give a fuck when he takes beating from Kratos, he doesnt even guard, he dodges Kratoses punch in one cutscene just for fun. But its just a second layer - the blessing which is a curse in reality. You cant see what is going in his mind same as Thor, because he hides it. Only in hellheim you learn that he is actually depressed and in his last fight you can see his real emotions after the curse is lifted up. So for me, Thor and Baldur are on par, they have similar arcs and characteristics but just different in some ways and i am surprised that SM studios pulled of two kinds of the "same" tragic antagonist so well. But i must say, that every character in both games were excellent (Except Frey, he was just some marvel side character knockoff, Korg probably.)

[@UnendingCoda]

They should've given us a trilogy. We could've had time to build characters, this felt like a premature conclusion. Not enough Asgard or Aesir. Especially when most of it didn't really add up to much. The game felt so short to me. I don't agree with all your takes but regarding the games I see your point, I feel betrayed, this was THE GAME. This is what Zelda is to Nintendo now.

[@gentlesavage2068]

yeah it is also probably obvious to me that a significant amount of their ideas for ragnarok's story over changed during development, cos of how so many things in ragnarok didn't really play out how they were set up to in the previous game.

[@informationjunkie]

Baldur got 3 awesome boss fights. Honestly, I don't know which one was the best. But Thor only got 1. His opening boss fight had spectacle, & multiple arenas. His final fight during Ragnarok is just a 1 stage field boss (at me).

[@GRUSTLER]

I think the reason God Of War 2018 was more compelling story wise and character depth was because Cory Balrog was involved more into the story.

[@TheNaturex20]

Yeah, Cory’s involvement definitely enhanced the entire God of War story in general.

[@anaknangfilipina5846]

What makes Baldur’s death great is it also calls back to the myth of how he died. Which is Loki and a mistletoe arrow.

[@KingMarkus222]

Honestly you are absolutely right they blue balled the fuck out of us with Thors second fight, hell Ragnarok itself felt rushed and unsatisfying and yea worst of all we didn’t get the hammer. Yea I know what the developers said the axe was basically the same thing as the hammer and we got the spear but you can’t tell me that when you played GOW(2018) and you knew we was gonna fight thor in the next game that you didn’t want that hammer.

[@TheNaturex20]

As much as I would’ve loved the hammer, I’m probably more concerned about how the game was concluded. Having the hammer or not, Thors conclusion, I feel like, should have been approached a little differently. But imagine pining enemies down with the hammer that would’ve been sick. Or even if they just made it a runic attack like heimdalls sword.

[@KingMarkus222]

@@TheNaturex20 yea man the ending just doesn’t feel satisfying, you can definitely tell something was rushed towards the ending. Like I’ve heard multiple ppl say that we should of had smaller missions leading up to us gathering forces in different realms to fight. Cause when you go to fight the light elves it feels like when we spare that one elf we could have gone back and recruited them with Freyr. And when I found out about the cut content with surtr wife sinmara I was like omg that would have been so much better. My think with the hammer is I thought once we got introduce to the multiple Spartan Rage it was gonna be like the blade of Olympus in GOW3. It would be like another Rage boost I would have been cool with that. Yea Thor death just doesn’t feel right like, he was suppose to change sides and join up with us to fight Odin or something. I didn’t like the way they did that either.

[@HAMZA-OLYMPUS]

2:02 this is NOTHING compared to the absolute horror that is GoW4’s ending 💀 And then there is that “Ares retrieves the Blades of Chaos scene” horror music I made a YT Shot on

[@cheems5015]

finally someone who agrees that baldur beats thor in a fight

[@raicattivo]

I feel like Baldur benefits a lot more from being the only real villain in his story Thor has to share the spotlight with Odin and Heimdall

[@TheNaturex20]

I agree, that’s why the Baldur story came off as more focused.

[@ScrodumHat]

i think this is generally a problem with the narratives of the two as well. 2018 has a very focused story with one specific goal and one specific villain, whereas ragnarok’s story goal is less focused, with more villains. it’s not worse in any way, it creates multiple fleshed out villains, they just aren’t all as significant as baldur

[@raicattivo]

@@ScrodumHat yeah it’s kinda wrong to compare Baldur and Thor for this reason GoW4 is a personally driven story where Baldur is the main and really the only antagonist with a character. All of the characters have very specific roles in GoW4 that are meant to compare, contrast and bounce off of the main relationship of Kratos and Atreus Ragnarok meanwhile is more of a sprawling epic about the conflict and ultimately the collapse of the Norse Pantheon to which Kratos and Atreus are really just Catalysts meaning the characters are overall more and less well defined because they get less individual time as the focus is on the big picture

[@raicattivo]

Basically Gow4 is micro storytelling about dad and boy bringing ashes to mountain Ragnarok is macro storytelling about the end of the world as we know it

[@MalosiAudios]

While I love thor and everything he's been through, I still believe Baldur's better overall. He fits quite nicely into his game.

[@brandynlovett4054]

Is having blonde hair considered some sort of luxury in the Norse mythos? That's why Magni got all the glory for lifting giant off of Thor, so they say, even though Modi has red hair which made him look more like his dad. You would think that Thor would favor the son who looked more like him, but no 🤷

[@TheNaturex20]

Hmmmm I never even considered the hair color privileges that they might’ve had. It would probably make sense for Thor to mistreat Modi for resembling more of himself because we see in Ragnarok that Thor is ashamed of himself. He is manifesting that self hatred towards his son. Probably mostly due to the mind fuckery of Odin.

[@brandynlovett4054]

@@TheNaturex20 oh yes, good point!

[@bigbrain4409]

Personally I would give endurance to Thor cause dude took a full blown punch from kratos slipping a tiny bit of full power and was only staggered a little and with that current wound he literally still was equal with kratos during that fight.

[@TheNaturex20]

I can see that, Thor definitely doesn’t have TERRIBLE endurance . But I would still give it to Baldur for is invulnerability alone. Mans literally got his neck snapped and got up.

[@bigbrain4409]

@@TheNaturex20 man was on a mission

[@kago500]

He was not equal. Kratos beat him without much effort. Thor knew it was over.

[@GRUSTLER]

Kratos beat Thor rather effortlessly in their second fight and could have killed him easily. Kratos and Baldur had a more epic brawl all 3 times.

[@adityabharat1445]

@@GRUSTLER if you really look at circumstances they fought that makes sense why thor went down rather easily ......he was literally the only significant force left in asgard besides Odin and he had to fight almost every thing that attacked asgard ...he was alone fighting midgard serpent, Ragnarok and all of army of 9 realms and he fought kratos right after he fought toughest battle of his life with midgard serpent and Ragnarok all while poision of kratos's axe weakening him from starting of game..

[@killachinzzo]

LET ME SEE THE MONSTER INSIDE

[@TheNaturex20]

I WANT THE GOD OF WAR OUT, LET ME SEE HIM

[@Typical-Greek]

Baldur the beautiful? Huh? He's the god of light?????? And his attacks in god of war are on point??????

[@callofhaloinfinite6336]

Imagine how much better the story would be narratively if Thor was the one who killed Odin, or maybe Thor decided to forgive his father at the end of the boss fight, and let his guard down enough for Odin to kill him, because Thor was too quick to forgive. P.s. Happy New Year!

[@TheNaturex20]

See, that would have been fire. Thor did not get his proper conclusion at all. I really wanted to see what type god HE would choose to be.

[@callofhaloinfinite6336]

@@TheNaturex20 I thought of something else. What if, after dealing with Odin, Kratos somehow was in the same position as he was in the mural, dead in Atreus' arms. But because Kratos chose to change himself and not kill Thor, Thor was there to revive him the same way he did during their first fight. Similar to how Zeus thought that the 'Marked Warrior' was Deimos, everyone thought that Kratos' predicted death would be permanent. Fate was right, but it's your actions leading up to that moment is what truly decides if it's as predicted or not. This was a good lesson in GoW 1-3, and it would've been an good one in Ragnarok as well, but this time for the better.

[@TheNaturex20]

@@callofhaloinfinite6336 Yeah now that I think about it, when Angrabroa showed Atreus that Mural it’s obvious they want us to believe that Thor would kill Kratos. But in my head I’m thinking that maybe he doesn’t directly kill him in battle but something else happens and Thor is standing over his corpse for another reason. ALSO would’ve been fire if they took that direction.

[@crudnom7090]

@@TheNaturex20 he did get to choose. That’s what makes his death tragic. His single act of defiance is what ended his life. He wasn’t able to grow past his sins and past, or be a better father to his kids than his own had been to him. Thor is a tragic character that definitely had a gut-wrenching but complete conclusion. Wishing for him to forgive his dad isn’t in line with who he was or the development he went through, and killing Odin himself wouldn’t have fit the story told either. There was no better way for Thor to go out, just a little sad we didn’t get to use mjolnjr

[@TheNaturex20]

@@crudnom7090 now looking at it in that way makes his conclusion a little better. I still just feel like a single stab being his undoing just kinda kills it for me.

[@JeSsE10mCcOy11]

Both are cool tragic antagonists. It’s hard for me to pick a favorite

[@TheNaturex20]

Understandable. They both are pretty badass

[@drolleskate6164]

I think because baldur was the main villain the whole time. In ragnarok it was split between Thor and Odin and since Odin is the ultimate big bad they went more with him rather going all in on Thor I still liked Thor though getting glimpses of his home life and that he isn’t just some mindless monster. he is what his father made him.

[@Riffs88]

I gotta agree with you brother! Baldur was a much better villain and had a better final boss fight. Also I think Thor went to Hel when he was killed because he did not die fighting he even dropped his hammer when he got killed. Just my theory

[@TheNaturex20]

Thor being in hel is a strong possibility. I wonder if the nine realms rules still apply when Asgard is destroyed

[@master_shrek1048]

You know baldur was better like when mimir said baldur got all the archers in ASSgard (sif and thruds home) and he told them to keep shooting him with arrows until he fell from the weight of the arrows which was 456 (squid game number) IF BALDUR CAN TANK THOSE ARROWS thor doesn't stand a mild chance he only died because he punched atreus mistletoe quiver which was completely accidental on kratos part

[@ScrodumHat]

i honestly liked thor as a boss and character more than baldur, although baldur was 1000% better than odin as a final boss. baldur felt really weird to me in the fact that he had literally no reason to fight kratos after getting the curse lifted by atreus, if he had any kind of common sense he would’ve left and came back for freya when kratos wasn’t around, he was a bit of a dumbass. for thor on the other hand, i love the parallels between him and kratos being destroyers and manipulated by their fathers into doing things they didn’t really want to. the interactions between kratos and thor are also some of my favourites in the game, especially kratos’ “you put him last, even in death” it just has great delivery, and the frozen lightning bolt was fucking sick. that being said the final fight with baldur was much better than the second thor fight, but i actually think that’s a problem with the way the developers made the story. having odin as the final boss makes much more sense narrative wise, but having thor be the final boss would’ve been a much better spectacle while risking being too similar to the first fight

[@TheNaturex20]

I think Baldur not having common sense shows how deranged and bloodthirsty he has gotten. Thor does an excellent job as a parallel is great but what I find cool about the Norse saga is that Baldur can be a parallel to Kratos as well. A son who swore revenge on his parent and couldn’t find forgiveness in his heart. But when I look back however I do notice how much depth was added to Thor and I’m starting to see him slightly differently. The dialogue between them is the hardest shit of all time. I just REALLY HATE how they concluded him and it kills me thinking about it. For that, I think the sons of Odin are both in a similar tier

[@simon-peterwilliamson2412]

0:45 that got me lmao

[@My6119]

Freya: I can beat Kratos In a fight right? Freya:😏 IN A FIGHT RIGHT?

[@venjustice6666]

Baldur is like Jack baker if he was a son of Odin and made a god. Personally I’d say Thor was better given the build up for him like Kratos seeing Thor as like a younger version of himself and trying to make Thor change for the better and Thor died at the expense of the change actually working of him standing against his own father and Thor should be worthy to be in the higher plane of existence so that he can reappear in the series to remind Kratos of his success at making even the most tragic change for the better. Thor had to watch his kids Magni and Modi die by Odin sending them out for Kratos and Atreus similar to how Ares took Deimos and forced Kratos to kill his wife and daughter and Thrud being the only child that made Thor go insane over is what Kratos does to Atreus. Gets angry and kills those especially as seen with Heimdall and Baldur also Thor watching his brothers be killed just like how Thanatos killed Deimos and how Kratos was forced to kill Hercules. Thor killed many beings because he served Odin just like Kratos when he served Ares and then served the gods. Kratos’s father Zeus left Kratos to be raised a spartan be left to starve, walked miles in cold, and be beaten till they couldn’t stand and Thor’s father Odin raised Thor as a destroyer to kill everyone for himself and told him he couldn’t change and made him believe that he can’t think and that thinking would only clout his way of doing the things he has to do thus making him get drunk a lot. They both decided to have changed however Thor died accepting the change. Sure Baldur couldn’t feel anything but would you rather feel nothing or be put in dangerous situations only so you can save your own life from your father and feel the pain and destruction and all that when you realize how wrong and bad you messed up. Also yes Thor is canonically stated to be more powerful than ALL the Aesir gods including baldur only to Odin himself of course. Thor also sees himself in Kratos aswell referring to them as “destroyers” also Thor calling Kratos a calm and reasonable person is more than meets the eye. Thor after a few moments of fighting Kratos then reveals he knows Kratos’s ghost of Sparta god killer past and consistently begs for Kratos alto bring out that power as Thor wants to go all out with him and have a good fight and him calling Kratos calm and reasonable is hinting that Thor isn’t scared of anybody or god just like how Kratos isn’t and will fight anyone till his last breath of death and that his rage could be as deadly as Kratos’s given that we heard and seen how powerful and deadly Thor is or can be atleast. Every Norse god and being was terrified and scared of Thor even his own sons were scared of him just like how the Greek gods feared Kratos. Ik Greek Kratos had many many many power buffs than Norse Kratos it’s still crazy that they compare Thor to Kratos from the past meaning that he could be as deadly to the Greek gods as Kratos was and given that Kratos thought he was mortal needed powers to kill a god while Thor during the God of War series kept on doing many many MANY things like killing Kratos then reviving him, destroying the muspelheim trials chanting “You think you can defeat the god of thunder” or even shouting how he’s a god and people should best believe and know that. He does the most deadliest and overpowered things to flex and doesn’t think about the consequences of doing so because he’s drunk.

[@ycarusgamer5187]

Sad that they didn't put Thor's goats in the final fight with the wolves and Odin's horse in the final fight and him dying by Fenrir/Garm/Horodviltnir in the end,just like the original mythology where Odin's destiny is to be killed by the giant Wolf,Just like the Wolf being killed by the son of Odin Vidar the God of revenge and Tyr in Ragnarok being killed by the Wolf Garm,where they both kill each other It's a shame it didn't happen and they changed everything,I missed more Valkyries in the game and others Aesir Gods Odin's childrens and grandchildrens protecting Asgard,for example: Hermod,Bragi,Idunn,Forseti,Ullr,Meili and finally Vali and Vidar and Odin's brothers Vili and Vê Together with This Hodr would no longer be possible since he is a blind archer and he dies at the hands of his own brother Vali who kills him avenging Baldur's death And the return of the dead gods since in the original Norse Mythology they live and save Asgard and become the new Gods who will take care of the new worlds, especially Baldur who returns and becomes A new king of rebuilt Asgard protecting the 9 kingdoms and being the Savior/holy Messiah and protector of Asgard and Valhalla And it would be much better if Odin won the final war and adopted Atreus To become the as Loki and trained him to be the main villain in a sequel alongside the others gods. How great it would be If it were like that How I wanted these gods in the game,it's a shame they didn't put them... Who knows, maybe in a DLC or next game,let's hope And pray it happens... 🥺🤧 Like and Bye!

[@jcjourney2406]

That wizard101 commons music caught me off guard. The nostalgia that rushed at me 😂

[@meso07]

6:23 in mythology Thor is able to revive goats with his hammer and i guess we can all agree that why he was able to revive Kratos

[@TheNaturex20]

Is that a Hammer thing or an Electric shock thing? I personally thought he just did what doctors do and jumpstart his heart.

[@meso07]

@@TheNaturex20 it was probably just an electricity thing, i was just making a joke with goat = greates of all time

[@TheNaturex20]

@@meso07 Your sense of humor must be so advanced and complex, that a simple mind like myself was too dumb to get it. My apologies

[@Andre-vt4np]

There's a theory that thors disintegration looks like Athena's death so basically theres a possibility that thor is now on the higher plane of existence

[@TheNaturex20]

Idk Athena’s death was more like greenish. But if that’s the case, this shouldn’t be the last we see of Thor.

[@RodrigoAReyes95]

If Thor didn't disappear, his big dead body would be there in the fight with Odin, so I guess that's why they make him disappear 😂

[@superboyx2837]

You know I was hoping that it would mirror the first trilogy, with there being 4, 5 and 6. That probably would’ve worked better to have a 6th game

[@runerdude141]

Songtrack “Deliverance” was soooo much better. Heck I didn’t even know Thor had a song until it was pointed out here. Also the fact that deliverance just keeps amping up in power is incredible

[@TheNaturex20]

Don’t get me wrong, Deliverance is fire but I’m sorry. The Hammer of Thor and especially the Hand of Odin just sound so much more intense to me. All great tracks tho.

[@runerdude141]

@@TheNaturex20 maybe I’ll try to listen to it again. But after 100% ragnarok on back to back play through, I can’t for the life of time remember Thor’s theme at all. Maybe just the music that played when he died. Other than that, I guess it wasn’t as memorable. Before that point, I didn’t think Thor eve had a song.

[@TheNaturex20]

@@runerdude141 I can see where you're coming from. I may only remember it from rewatching clips so many times. Like the one when Kratos screams "WHO ARE YOU!" at the beginning.

[@runerdude141]

@@TheNaturex20 dang. Thinking about that scene, I don’t remember music, just the sound of the lightning. But that’s just as epic too

[@christhechilled]

Thor is the strongest Aseir for a reason! Tragic his story ended. Can't say the same for Baldur. That man had it coming!

[@TheNaturex20]

Baldur most definitely had it coming. Similar to Gna, Baldur just couldn’t see past himself and what he was used to. They failed to change and evolve. And yeah VERY tragic that Thors story ended in this way.

[@StareachValcin]

I honestly don't think Baldur deserved the ending that he got. It was almost as tragic as Thor's end.

[@StareachValcin]

@@TheNaturex20 I respectfully disagree with your assessment that Baldur had it coming. Considering that Freya made Baldur numb to feeling in her attempt to stop his prophesied death for her own sake, and just refused to undo it even though she could have, it's no wonder Baldur couldn't just change himself and his relationship with his mother for the better. Over a century of numbness could easily have negative ramifications, even for a Norse god. I would say that Baldur had a tragic end.

[@TheNaturex20]

@@StareachValcin Yeah Baldur did have a tragic end. But keep in mind that mans got what he wanted by fighting Kratos and Atreus. He was able to feel again. But even then he was still tunnel locked onto killing his mother despite getting what he finally wanted. Also considering that he probably would have went after Kratos and Atreus again, I think he had it coming.

[@holty1314]

The Shrek music 😂

[@TheNaturex20]

😂

[@holty1314]

@@TheNaturex20 brilliant choice! Out of curiosity… how would u change Thor’s ending?

[@TheNaturex20]

@@holty1314 Good question. They way I look at it, I think we could end his story off in multiple ways. If they really wanted to kill off Thor, I would’ve wished they’ve done it in a more grander fashion. Like when Thor says no, have him fight back against his father and force Odin to really show his hand as the Allfather, even if it’s brief, make his death fit for a god of thunder. Another way it could’ve ended is Thor not dying at all. I feel like this would benefit the narrative and showed MORE of how these once ruthless killers are changing their Fate, because changing Fate is a HUGE theme in the God of War series. He would also show better as an opposite to his brother who refused to change. Seeing Thor really move past the shadow of Odin and really fix the relationship with Sif and Thrud would’ve been satisfying to see at least for me. But I acknowledge the ending we got also fits into that changing fate narrative so it’s somewhat satisfying in certain ways. But yeah the alternatives are what I would’ve chosen personally.

[@holty1314]

@@TheNaturex20 I agree completely

[@blakecraig7155]

Tbh I think Thor is a better written character but baldur is a better villan

[@TheNaturex20]

Yeah that’s actually what I’m starting to think as well. I was mostly thinking about comparing how both of their story arcs were handled more so than the character themselves.

[@samuelmckoy-johnson5726]

Great video could you do like a ranking on all of Kratos weapons to see which weapon is The most powerful

[@yokotubene]

Thor sucked. He was not the bloodthirsty and powerful killer we were promised from the last game.

[@TheNaturex20]

I wouldn’t necessarily say that he sucked. My main problem with him is his ending.

[@yokotubene]

@@TheNaturex20 Perhaps. But I expected more interactions between him and Kratos. I also expected him to be a more formidable opponent for Kratos than how he was portrayed.

[@TheNaturex20]

@@yokotubene More interactions with Thor and Kratos would’ve most definitely been heat. Thor being more formidable would’ve also been interesting. Because ik this man Kratos was holding back the whole game.

[@adamsin9260]

Bro I just found out your channel and really enjoyed this video already. Great humor also

[@redthorne1129]

Thor wasn't the villain, Odin was. Thor was a pawn, like Heimdall, or really any of the Asgardian gods.

[@TheNaturex20]

True but they still act as opposing forces to the protagonist characters. So I still count him as a Villian or at least an antagonist until the end.

[@chabri2000]

7:50 Thor can regenerate too. The reason that wound on his belly does not heal, is because kratos axe was infused with Jormungandr venom in god of war 4 (2018), and in the myth, is was the venom what killed thor

[@chineseobama6043]

Thor would have definitely been a more endearing and well written villain had there been three norse games, not that there should have been but Baldur has alot more space to himself. Besides Deliverance slaps more than any track in Ragnarok

[@TheNaturex20]

Yeah Baldur 100% benefits from there being less characters at the time which makes his story more focused. Ragnarok soundtrack freaking slaps.

[@bobbywilliams4438]

Highlyyyyy disappointed with the Thor 2nd fight. Those niggas was supposed to shake the 9 realms with their blows, the craziest shit we've seen in the series!!!! Don't understand how they dropped that ball they had more than 4 years !!!!

[@TheNaturex20]

THATS EXACTLY WTF IM SAYING. It had a moment or too where I got a little hyped but overall I wish they took the most anticipated rematch in a more grand direction. Like, cmon now!

[@bobbywilliams4438]

@@TheNaturex20 yes bruh! Like don't get me wrong the game fire, best of the year but bruh that shit was supposed to be the first fight times 1000 my nigga. I mean these niggas going insane flying across the fucking map destroying shit!!!! I swear they need to start having more fan input. It would make the games unforgettable and they make money. We all happy

[@crudnom7090]

@@TheNaturex20 but he was easily the hardest boss fight in the game (not counting the just baddly berserker fights) Thor seriously made y’all sweat far more than Odin did. And remmeber these new era games specifically don’t want to go grand they keep it personal, the weight and power of Thor is felt enough without there needing to be spectacle. The spectacle is the deep emotional resonance cause by this point the game expects you to be feeling what the characters feeling, not wanting to fight Thor and wanting better for him

[@TheNaturex20]

@@crudnom7090 Good point there when you say they wanted to prioritize emotional resonance over scale. But Thor being the hardest boss fight? STRONGLY disagree.

[@somberthunder8908]

Enjoyed the video homie

[@smallthousand]

Nature and I have the same question: what's Kratos from gow3's phone number to bring him back to Ragnarok?

[@TheNaturex20]

LOL, Right??

[@AzzMonkeysauce03]

8:00 true he didn’t heal but only cause the axe has “the big snake” venom imbued in it damn some one already beat me to it like actually damn it

[@TheNaturex20]

Lol yeah I ain’t notice that before y’all told me

[@AzzMonkeysauce03]

@@TheNaturex20 yeah noticed to late when everyone let you know

[@lanceacklen5863]

If bauldar was in Ragnarok it would’ve been diff

[@newhybrid101]

You are missing some details on the Baldur vs Thor debate. I am gonna explain why Thor wins PERIOD. Cory Barlog said Kratos was very rusty in the first fight,he said he was still "shaking off the cobwebs" to be specific. Kratos was also holding back A LOT. By the end of 2018 Kratos is more warmed up again due to the journey and enemies. Then Eric Williams said Kratos was training these 3 years and that he is much stronger than in GoW2018. Thor is FAR above the rusty and holding back Kratos that snapped Baldurs neck. Thor also knows Baldur personally and knows about his curse. He will snap his neck after a short fight Thor was facing a much stronger Kratos that was forced to also try more

[@xavierandrus7489]

Bro I love your video but why you wizard101 music 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheNaturex20]

LOL it takes me back

[@enol1466]

Disagree with one part. Baldur's story is sad yes but in the end he boils down to a screaming maniac who is bloodthirsty to merc his mom. Beyond that we see almost no other sides of him until he's in helheim crying. We do NOT get enough for him to be more than like a low B tier imo. But Thor? We have like a straight hour or so of Thor shit in this game. We have him trying to be calm and reasonable, we have him pissed off about his sons, we have him bloodthirsty and really trying to provoke the monster put of Kratos, we see his somber angry side with heimdall, a softer side with Thrùd, a more sad and subdued side of him with Sif and with Odin, and we see him actually make a change at the end with Kratos pleading him not to fight anymore. I'm sorry but end of the day, Thor is MILES better in terms of character. his final defeat WAS a bit underwhelming yes, he should have gone out in a way more worthy of someone who was so hyped up, I agree with you, however the story itself still hit, and he's still God of wars best villain next to Odin. also I really don't get why you said Odin was bad?... Like if you genuinely said all that deep analytical shit about Baldur of all ppl but didn't recognize the depth of Odin you must have a leak in ur brain

[@TheNaturex20]

You make a good point with Thor having more depth as a character, but Baldur being low B tier is just cap. He is a bloodthirsty maniac (just like Thor) but his motives are completely understandable. Not agreeable but understandable. I feel like at the end of the day, Baldur was a better villian he had a more of a satisfying end to his story than Thors. Thor having all of these scenes showing different sides of him imo makes his death WAY more worse because we never get to see him grow from that other than just saying “No” to his daddy. Tragic in a way but still kinda trash. It just makes me sit and ask what was it all for.

[@goodhoonter9882]

If kratos was the only one to kill balder temporarily in the first half of gow2018 then he was definitely stronger than thor,even when he was killable,he absorbed the elements and resistance of what impact3d his flesh and more agile,I might think of him be one the most unique and one of the most powerful gods in the gow series. Thor is a better anti-hero, and balder is a better villains,it didn't feel like he first bothered kratos for the all father, more like for himself. I love those final versions of his theme but balder ome the best gow themes ever.

[@TheNaturex20]

Hmmm, I definitely never looked at Thor as an Anti-Hero but now that I think about it he could be. Both Baldur and Thor are different versions of Kratos. Baldur representing more of his younger self and Thor more of his current self. But also idk Thor still had his malicious ass moments I would still consider him a villian for the most part.

[@mikekelly592]

Easyyy Baldur, Thor was a villain for like 15 minutes total😂😂

[@Rowan1976]

BALDUR definitely a better villian great video buddy 👍

[@Castiel335]

True

[@shrey0805]

YOU EARNED A SUB BUDDY

[@Georg3e]

So because a fictional character based off a mythology doesn't look like a loose adaptation marvel comics has done... That means he loses the round even those the Norse tales depict thor as a red head..... Right

[@TheNaturex20]

Bro Thor won that round actually. And I said that him having red hair is canon. That’s how I know that the audio was handled poorly on my end because somebody else said the same thing. Gotta get my quality up.

[@Georg3e]

@@TheNaturex20 I wrote that after pausing the video after hearing it. Maybe I should comment after seeing the entirety of it.

[@TheNaturex20]

@@Georg3e oh lol

[@Georg3e]

@@TheNaturex20 subscribed!

[@TheNaturex20]

@@Georg3e Thanks! I’m at 666 now it is time I descend into hell. ✌️

[@cesarmm1]

Baldur wins.

[@28Knuckles]

GOW3 ost not getting beaten those ost made you feel like your were in the shit

[@djaejones8785]

Baldur was better, but I just liked Thor more 🤷🏾‍♂️. Sorry that life isn’t fair

[@nidoinks5004]

bruh your content is funny as fuck I love this shit hope you get the views you deserve, "and keep the change ya bastard!"

[@TheNaturex20]

Strongly appreciated yo, fr. Glad you enjoyed.

[@damianstarks3338]

I like Baldur better.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

Baldur is not just beautiful, he is also the god of light, they should have had him like sentry with the evil side, and also compared to Thor knocking a younger serpent and having an annoying time against it, Baldur knocked an older, bigger, stronger Jormungand with his punches. And also, one of the writers of God of war Ragnarök said that the reason Thor disintegrates is because of the lightning eating him but from gameplay, they just want to remove his fatass off the field. The scaling's are already off saying Thor is the strongest and yet you have Baldur creating more amazing feats like the world serpent knocking with just his punches and destroying the ground as well which is more impressive than Thor knocking the world serpent and splintering the world tree when in reality, the tree didn't splinter, nothing happened, he just sent him back in time and is quite funny that happened in one event and not anywhere else. Yeah, the game as well felt off and rushed, there is even evidence to this as to the surtr quest, Atreus goes onto manipulate Sinamara to start Ragnarök as Kratos with primordial blades into surtr did not work, it's just pretty nasty and Kratos is just following along like a good dog.

[@DanzoLovesEyes]

Wasn't the Sinmara quest cut content?

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@DanzoLovesEyes I know, that's why I felt the game as rushed

[@sadikicaine4881]

Didn't Thor literally knock the serpent back in time? Regardless of it being a younger serpent , I think being so strong that you can send something back in time is a better feat than knocking it.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@sadikicaine4881 the problem is that it only happened in one location and event and that is ragnarok because if he can do this consistently, his enemies would be in the past, present and future. Like his own fight with kratos is already enough, like he can do it jormu but not kratos or anything he killed? Like that kind of change would disrupt everything.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@sadikicaine4881 which already makes me think that surtr is the reason how was that even possible as he is destroying asgard, kinda like the icon of sin to the uac universe but even then, little evidence is still up and not good for debate so how the hell did thor sent that in time but not kratos or any of that he fights?

[@C10H15Ninthehouse]

id give almost everything to thor but i respect your opinion

[@Johnwolf-be4zl]

Felt satisfying to fight Baldur but I felt bad for fighting thor. 😅

[@thatredhead3613]

Idk.... I think Odin is a great villian

[@TheNaturex20]

I disagree strongly yet respectfully. He definitely has good qualities to him.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

He was trash

[@davidbranson1367]

Thor wins in a fight hands down. Thor broke Kratos' shield, while Baldur did nothing to the Guardian shield. A holding back Kratos, who did not fight Gods for decades defeated the invulnerable Baldur. Ragnarok's Kratos is more powerful than the one at the start of 2018, and Thor killed and revived that Kratos! Also Baldur knocked Jormundgandr because the latter didn't fight back, and Baldur caught him off guard. And Thor sent the serpent centuries into the past. Thor wins. Mid-diff.

[@TheNaturex20]

Idk man if Thor is able land blows then I would give it to him but if Baldur effectively uses his speed and invulnerability to all threats physical or magical, I can see him outlasting Thor. It could be Thor mid diff or Baldur high diff in my opinion. Oh and catching off guard or not he still generated enough force to put Jorm down so he still has some power to him. It would definitely take alot of effort to put him down.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@TheNaturex20 personally for me baldur beats thor mostly due to his invulnerability

[@kago500]

Thor tried to fight Jormundgander (the one in midgard) and failed to win. Thor couldn't defeat the snake Baldur knocked out.

[@SmokieByron]

I hear W101 music lol

[@TheNaturex20]

Lol shoutout to that game

[@Deckbark]

Where are Thor's goats 🐐

[@TheNaturex20]

Imagine them dumbass screaming goats from love and thunder

[@Deckbark]

@@TheNaturex20 bro I didnt see that movie and never will

[@Deckbark]

@@TheNaturex20 Thor is supposed to eat their own goats and bring them back to live just to eat them again

[@TheNaturex20]

@@Deckbark good, that movie is garbage

[@TheNaturex20]

@@Deckbark oh you’re talking about the mythology. It would’ve been interesting to see them make an appearance.

[@zvenage7912]

I like thor more icl

[@TheNaturex20]

Can’t blame you. Thor is badass.

[@zvenage7912]

@@TheNaturex20 great video tho 🙏

[@TheNaturex20]

@@zvenage7912 Much Appreciated brother

[@kongsied4279]

Thor isn't honorable, in the first fight he literally snuck Kratos. Thor is also very noble in Norse mythology and is depicted as hero, in eddas there is this kid that ate Thors goat's, Thor did get angry and threaten the dude, but the guy offers to repay his debt by serving him, which was also considered an honor, loki, go to Utgard, where they are challenged are challenged by these giants in a show of strength, Thor is asked to lift the foot of a cat, which turned out to be the world Serpent, loki I believe wrestled with old lady, who turned out to be time, and there were two other challenges I can't remember but Thor definitely a hero in the Norse eddas, Odins spear is literally Dropnear which🤦🏿‍♂️, is the reason Thor, you know... died. Kratos writes in his journal that Thor is by far the most powerful God he has ever faced, he also admitted that he lost, after artreus mentioned that worried about there second match.

[@TheNaturex20]

Thanks for the Norse insight. I feel like the story you tell adds to my original thought of how Thor’s evilness was exaggerated for the God of War plot. Yo, Kratos said Thor is the most powerful foe he faced? I definitely didn’t see that. I feel like they didn’t completely succeed in showing that either due to Kratos holding back the whole game. Compare this to the Final Zues fight where he had to beat this God to a pulp over and over again for he actually went down. I should’ve never commented on Odins spear being weak because that was obviously false. Still doesn’t take away from that lame death we were given for the God of Thunder.

[@kongsied4279]

@@TheNaturex20 yeah you gotta check out his Journal though I still think it was just the writers bigging him up because of his obesity and alcoholism

[@IchorIsSweet]

Heimdall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@TheNaturex20]

Factsss

[@IchorIsSweet]

@@TheNaturex20 Thor did everything in his power to see the god of war, and he never did. Heimdall got to see the god of war just by being *him*

[@TheNaturex20]

@@IchorIsSweet LMAO that’s facts though. Mans had such an unlikeable personality he was considering killing him before he even met him.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

'Cause he was threatening Atreus lmao

[@JesusistheliberatingKing]

Please don’t cuss

[@cheems5015]

dont watch his fucking vids if you dont like it

[@TheNaturex20]

Sorry, I’ll stop

[@keremcemalozcan9516]

Thor is better than Baldur.

[@jefferyblodgett9726]

Do heimdall v hermes**

[@TheNaturex20]

Ngl, Hermes is getting absolutely smoked

[@Deckbark]

You choose to be nothing?

[@Doctor_Pickney]

As much as I love God of War Ragnarok I can't help but feel disappointed with Thor's character. Throughout the 2018 game we keep hearing all these stories about Thor and how powerful, deadly, and ruthless he is. The first fight against him was amazing because it shows off a little of that but afterwards we find out he's just some poor dude down on his luck who turned to alcoholism as a comfort. I'm sorry but that kinda took me out of my investment of his character. If you're gonna build him up as the end all, second in command to Odin in the first game, many players were expecting a massive payoff for that at the end. But sadly it didn't happen. We didn't even get to keep him as an ally in the end because Odin kills him after Thor makes his peace with Kratos.

[@TheNaturex20]

This. This right here… is EXACTLY how I feel about Thors character. While I didn’t mind his character arc and even liked it, there was just not payoff because Odin bum ass just wanted to hog the spotlight at the end. The frustration is real.

[@Doctor_Pickney]

@@TheNaturex20 there definitely should have been a third game if I'm being honest, maybe after the Thor fight he lives, Ragnarok takes place and then Odin starts trying to get revenge on Kratos and Atreus for the destruction of Asguard. I can see Odin kidnapping Atreus at the start of the potential 3rd game and Kratos and Thor are the two characters working together to get him back. And if we're keeping Ragnarok mechanics we can play as Thor and see more of his side of the story as he tries to patch things up with his wife and daughter. Maybe even becoming the next ruler of the realms now that Odin is gone and promising to be a better king than his father was now that he's spent so much time with Kratos and Atreus

[@W.M.O.]

10:34 bruh Odin killed Ymir with that spear, same stab through the heart like thor got

[@theflashoflife8088]

I wouldn’t call Thor a villain tbh Man’s was more of an anti hero In this game maybe cuz Thor has a family now so he different jus like Kratos

[@TheNaturex20]

Lowkey never thought of him that way. Was too find blinded by his bloodthirsty moments in the game

[@conspiracorn1437]

"I can't feel pain!" You just keep interfering with my life." "MOTHERRR!" BOO-HOO what a deep story

[@TheNaturex20]

😐

[@Castiel335]

Did you even play the game?

[@rosewhip5332]

🥱

[@somebody4763]

Thor is cool for sure, but he didn't live up to the stories that were told about him in the first game. Baldur has the upper hand right from the fact that we got to know him earlier, and his overall character is better than Thor's. Baldur's boss fight also felt a little cooler, and the boss fights with Thor and Odin just felt a little underwhelming. They needed more special cutscenes, and their powers should be even more extensive and cool. For example, I think Thor should have been able to shoot giant lightning bolts like Hraezlyr, and Odin should have the powers of the Berserker King.

[@LoneMyth]

Actually you are wrong thor hair is red I mythology. The painting you used is not accurate it was made much later of a artist interpretation.

[@TheNaturex20]

I said that. I said Thor having red hair is actually cannon. I probably had the volume too low so maybe it was hard to catch.

[@RockingRebelYell]

Nah Boredur’s dialogue is bland at best. He has some nice fights but I prefer the substance Thor brought to the table of the role of Destroyers.

[@TheNaturex20]

Preferring Thors dialogue is understandable but saying Baldurs dialogue is bland is cap. I feel like both of their dialogues are of similar quality.

[@colonelbonnie]

I feel like this guy is the degenerocity of god of war