THORFINN VS THORKELL PT 2...Anime HATERS Watch Vinland Saga 1x18 | Reaction/Review

[@sesawe2865]

I love that we spent 2 episodes hyped for Thorfinn's duel... ...and then Canute said "F you, this is MY episode."

[@cannonandrus5554]

Totally unexpected

[@Manchesthair]

“I shall teach you about when you must fight, and against whom. I shall give meaning to your battles. To your life and death. That’s what the duty of a king is.” I have chills.

[@cannonandrus5554]

So crazy he stepped up like this

[@muxi9541]

i dont like it, he changed him self in matter of seconds. Yes his "father" was dead but they didnt built it up. it feels a little out of no where.

[@sagestrongbear]

@@muxi9541that’s what an epiphany is

[@muxi9541]

@@sagestrongbear ephiphany doest change someone just like that, even if it does its just bad writing. dont get me wrong, i love the anime and manga, but this is bad writing

[@whyitmatters6906]

@@muxi9541 ."it feels a little out of no where" you haven't been paying attention then...

[@noona9193]

Canute was like "it's time for my domain expansion"

[@kamuyking551]

I think the conversation about love vs. discrimination is so important here. earlier, during episode 12, when the priest speaks of love, it feels like he's talking about agape, which is defined as "an empathetic, selfless love for others that includes a love for god, nature, strangers, and the less fortunate. it doesn't depend on familiarity, but instead has links to altruism, which is understood as an unselfish, genuine concern for the welfare of others." and basically, that kind of love is very hard for some people to imagine. not because they're uniquely evil or anything, but we do tend to think of ourselves first, and others second. what the priest lays out here is sort of like... a pathway from selfish love, to unselfish love. in the case of Ragnar, he would prioritize Canute and his well being over all else. he would let others die in order to ensure that Canute could live... he would kill another person himself if it meant protecting Canute. but it's not as though these people are less capable of feeling fear for themselves or grief for their loved ones. each and every one of them considered their own lives and families to be important. Ragnar simply couldn't consider these people as equals if he wanted to protect Canute... and so he hurt them, as if they mattered less. prioritizing like that is discrimination. and when you take that discrimination to its logical extreme, you get someone like Thorfinn. his father was killed... just one man. and for the sake of this one person who was so important to him, Thorfinn embarks on a years long quest, sowing violence and destruction, killing countless people, and becoming the villain in other people's tragedies... and he considers it all to be justified if he can kill the one guy that actually matters in his mind. prioritizing like that is discrimination. it puts the spotlight on how Thorfinn has always thought of his anger toward Askeladd as proof of the depth of his love for his father. but his father wouldn't have even wanted this. Thorfinn's pursuit of Askeladd isn't for Thors... Thors is dead, it's not like Thorfinn can protect anyone or build anything this way. no... Thorfinn has done all of this, the entire time, just to soothe his own frustration over the fact that Askeladd was able to get away with what he did. but what does that matter? like, truly, now that Thorfinn has killed so many people, and caused the exact same frustration that he's had to live with, for so many others... what changes if Askeladd dies? just as many people lay dead in the wake of what Thorfinn has joined Askeladd in doing, and all of them mattered to someone at least as much as Thors mattered to Thorfinn. agape encompasses the idea of empathizing with others, and understanding that they're capable of experiencing the exact same emotions as you, with just as much complexity as you. Thors understood this. when he defeated Askeladd's men without taking a single life, it's because he understood that each person in Askeladd's crew was just as alive as he was, and that mattered to him. Thors used to do a similar amount of killing to what these men do, and he was still able to one day realize that it was wrong. he couldn't treat those men as though they had any less potential to improve. this is a type of love that does not discriminate based on familiarity. when Thors said "you have no enemies" what he meant was that, with enough determination, you can step into any situation with the intent to do no harm. violence is a cycle unless you break it... sometimes it has to be you who stops it first. now that Thorfinn has killed this much, any one of his victims could step forward and demand his death with the same emotion that he's had toward Askeladd for the majority of his life. they'd have every right, and they'd have no incentive to understand all the extenuating circumstances that caused Thorfinn to turn out this way. we know how it happened, because we've been watching. but would a person that Thorfinn has harmed have any incentive to find out? to me, a true warrior is someone who knows that their goal should be peace. in truth, peace is the hardest goal you could pursue in a violent world. it's the toughest battle you could possibly pick, especially given what we've seen so far. but Thors had his eyes set toward his daughter's future when he left a life of war behind him, Askeladd once knew to dream of Avalon and the story of Artorius, Canute's goal is to create Utopia on earth, and Thorfinn can still recall the tale of Vinland. for every fight, there has to be a reason... a real, worthy goal that makes the struggle matter. there is nothing harder than protecting something fragile in a violent world, but if you can do it... that's what makes you a legend. you can't be a true warrior without that.

[@farisfaiz7185]

Wow, You just somehow put into words the complexity and nuance of 2 Seasons worth of this show in 8 paragraphs without undermining it.

[@WoWGirl6]

I hope they read this in length because this is actually very insightful

[@mugiwara27]

You put that in words very well

[@gamistry2947]

Man this is soo underrated! You managed to describe the very core philosophy of the show in a single comment! This deserves more likes

[@annie-sc]

Another A+ comment from this guy. This should be explained to anyone who fails and refuses to grasp the "I have no enemies" maxim.

[@annie-sc]

Canute realizes these violent vikings were already forsaken by the "Father", just like he was. He empathizes with them in that sense. He was literally left by his father King Sweyn to die in London. And now he finds his purpose.

[@moshimoshi400]

I love the philosophical conversations that anime brings into our modern day lives.

[@deeegeeekay]

This and AoT do it better than no other

[@Clooger-]

​@@deeegeeekayVagabond would if it had an anime

[@dendyraven8952]

​@@Clooger-and vagabond farming arc is one of the best

[@JoanRaba21]

"Buddy had a dream and now he's him" Brig stop😂😂😂😂😂

[@maxwellchristie4558]

I think Cannon is right that nobody would find the priest’s definition of love compelling, but that’s kind of the point. Once Canute understands what the priest is telling him he becomes furious because he realizes the standard that “god” has set is forever out of reach. He looks at the senseless fighting and realizes they will never overcome their human nature and achieve “true love”. So he rejects god and his trials and hugs Bjorn. It’s actually a really beautiful scene

[@WoWGirl6]

This scene is often misinterpreted. And can be very confusing for some people to understand and understandably so. Thanks for explaining.

[@kriegnes]

i love how its literally just facts and people are like "i disagree". but i guess thats normal nowadays.....

[@CatchCraftInc]

@@kriegnes one man’s twisted opinion of what love really means is definitely not “just facts”

[@kriegnes]

@@CatchCraftInc even tho you edited out the "drunktard" part, you still didnt say anything, other than insults towards a drawing. please let me know what he said that is not a fact. he has to say something that one can disagree with, without simply denying reality, so please tell me, what exactly do you disagree with and how? like do you even know what discrimination means? tbf you might view things differently. but that is not the same as having a different opinion. for example, your favourite colour is an opinion. its very simple, there is no right or wrong. but the way you deal with a math problem is facts. depending on how you see things, you might have a different approach, but the answer is always either right or wrong. even if you hate a certain approach, its still right; its simply facts and while you dont have to use that approach, you still have to accept it as reality.

[@CatchCraftInc]

...what?

[@gdbalck]

Brig just hit the nail on the head. He also got damn close to what is coming with season 2 specifically for Thorfin aka Farmland Saga. Also, remember this Canute when that time conmes.

[@Smiley957]

Spoiler

[@gdbalck]

@@Smiley957 Thorfin gets character development, no specifics, no details. How is that a spoiler?

[@Hirxchi]

@@Smiley957 they already on season 2 episode like 15 or smth on the patreon

[@Smiley957]

@@Hirxchi im not on season 2

[@Hirxchi]

@@Smiley957 dang, then yeah i siggest u aint look at the comments on the vinland shit, they always gonna spoil

[@Real_Genji]

14:26 the reason why snow is love is because people can pick it up, people can use it, people can step on it and it will not complain. It does not care who or what affects it because it is indiscriminate in love. Anyone can pick up an apple and eat it. When a person dies, animals and plants can take the energy of the person and that person will never question it. A living person will deny helping people if they do not know them, hence why the priest liked Thors, Thors helped out the slave without knowing him; he is a true warrior, he wins duels without the need of a sword

[@hinznrrw]

Jackson coming in clutch with the phd in philosophy.

[@ghostofamoment]

This is one of those episodes that stays with you. The philosophy of love vs discrimination is so fascinating, and how death perfects a person. I still think about that conversation with the priest years later - some incredible writing in this show!

[@edwinscs]

Yeah the discrimination perspective make you think 🤔 like it is almost impossible to ❤️ like that, the only one I can think 🧐 about is Jesus Christ like how he died for us

[@kc_h7h]

​@@edwinscsthats the point tho. That's why canut turned his back on god. So basically the priests perceives love as a divine thing. That gods way of loving isnt the same way humans love. So for that reason the world is like hell. Canut realised this and became furious and angry. How dare god put us on a trial and test with no possibility of achievement. People suffer and they always will since humans can never experience divine love. So begging and praying to god isn't going to help. So its time to step up and create a utopia himself. That's what canute is thinking. Word peace isn't achievable by believing in god

[@antoinegriezmann9369]

I'll miss waifu Canute but I'm also here for King Canute

[@Manchesthair]

Canute is Nacute no more and has done a complete 180.

[@Sunkcostfallecy]

He'll always be a waifu to Thorfinn!

[@harshraj9266]

@@Sunkcostfallecy canute in season 2: thorfinn who?

[@daniaaal]

More like little sister canute

[@Sunkcostfallecy]

@@harshraj9266 You mean Cunute who agreed to Thorfinn's outrageous deal that nobody would ever take... Yeah, Cunute loves his husband!

[@jonathanfulton4243]

This is probably one of my favorite episodes of any anime. Rewatching it now with y’all made me realize it also has similar themes to my favorite short story, The Grand Inquisitor. Great vid

[@trent5984]

Discrimination vs unconditional love REALLY resonates with me. Why should I love my family more than others? If I was born under other circumstances, I would love other families. I would be like any person if I was dealt their hand and I would love any person if I was dealt the hand of those who love those people. So my discriminant "love" is just ignorance and bias. It's defined by my limited experiences, but not on the lovability of a person. Think about AoT and you can realize what horrors discriminant love is capable of. Unconditional love has much more power than discrimination to solve climate change, prevent nuclear war, and fix a lot of the mess the world is in. Imagine what could happen in the US if the two parties could feel unconditional love rather than trying to just push the agendas of their tribe. A true warrior fights for the wellbeing of everyone. "You have no enemies." - Thors

[@newtonia-uo4889]

but for that, a person must be willing to let go and just be content with where they are, to revel in monotony, to seek beauty in the simple and the local, utterly impossible because the forces of progress will try to move to such an eden and transform it into something else.

[@kc_h7h]

But I think the point was only god knows true love. the human way of love isn't real love but discrimination. God put us on a trial and test to something we can never achieve. God is cruel in that sense. There's basically no point in life cause true peace and love can never be attained. I think that's why canut turned his back on god. Praying and begging isn't gonna make the world better. God chose to make the world like this and set humans on a endless trial. So its time to step up and create a utopia self. That's what canut is thinking

[@jingleballs9935]

@@kc_h7hnice

[@AidanS99]

This anti-war philosophy mixed with one of the most brutal time periods in history has definitely made one of the most compelling stories, and some of the most compelling characters in any media that I’ve seen in a long time.

[@keyvonlavender1448]

I think it’s also important to know that while Thors knew what a true warrior is, he himself is not one. At the end of the day, he still uses a sword in battle and this lifestyle ultimately get him killed. The point of a true warrior was to inspire the youth and especially Thorfinn, to know the difference.

[@wordienook5406]

The priest's perception of love on a human level is as fascinating as startling; you would never associate this feeling with "discrimination", and yet it does make sense. I think one can be the most genuine and loving person, there would still be some unintentional disparity, because that's how imperfect we are as humans. This end discussion was really enjoyable... You guys would make amazing podcasters ✨

[@DrunkenCoward1]

I remember watching this episode with my best friend and at 9:50 I just went “THIS is how you write a fuckin' king.“

[@LameKitten55]

When the birds see Thorfinn mid air, they where like " ure effed m8"

[@seabass5484]

The love speech and Canute’s awakening might be my favorite scenes from S1

[@sawervogue]

4:22 Best chiropractic reaction ever💀💀

[@Manchesthair]

and ofcourse Mckay being Mckay. Smiling and laughing to the brutal death🤣

[@naomihoyte7879]

14:45 Hold that thought till the second half of season 2.

[@akasa8jp]

This episode is one of the most important key episodes in the entire Vinland Saga story. Some of the most important themes of Vinland Saga are the words of Thorfinn's father. In other words, "What is a true warrior?" This will continue to be a very important keyword. Please don't forget. And the awakening of Prince Canute! 👑This time, he was finally able to become emotionally independent from the three his fathers . Independence from the Father, the Adoptive Father, and the Christian God.🥹 I also really like the philosophical conversation between the priest and Prince Canute. The “love” that humans talk about is a wonderful feeling, but at the same time it is discrimination. In other words, we put different prices on people, good or bad, depending on the relationship we have with them and how we feel about ourselves. In other words, even though we are supposed to be the same human beings, we make a difference in the weight of human lives.

[@hennessyjed5077]

06:29 I forgot how much wisdom my boy, the drunk priest, had

[@yashmathur836]

this is my fav episodes of this show, and that says a lot

[@Haplo-san]

A familiar acquaintant said eleven years, four months, and two days ago: "There are moments when one understands only in those moments." Enlightenment comes from accumulation, but it appears suddenly. Until enlightenment comes to an individual, they don't realize the extent of their accumulation, nor can they comprehend its meaning and significance. Perhaps they've heard from others that "everything is an experience, an accumulation" but they cannot grasp the true essence of these words. Indeed, it is not a statement that can be filled simply by reciting it by heart. The person might feel, "What good is such an experience if it doesn't serve any purpose? How can such an accumulation have any positive meaning, given the pain, death, and betrayal one experiences in life?" In such a moment, an individual's entire past and accumulations surface and become illuminated. Upon enlightenment, it becomes evident that all the paths that led the person to that point were crocheted together with a double-edged Afghan crochet hook-conscious or unconscious choices interwoven. In that moment, all the unknowns vanish, and everything gains meaning in the person's eyes. Even the seemingly insignificant choice of which chair to sit on on the first day of school twenty years ago reveals itself as a pivotal turning point that shaped their present self. If that person had chosen a different chair that day, they would be living an entirely different life as a completely different individual today. Now, let's come to the analogy that Knud experienced during the Middle Ages, where he mentioned that the fog lifted from his eyes, and he saw everything more clearly. It is indeed an apt analogy. While watching an uncertain and dangerous battle unfold before his eyes, he became attentive to the trees, rocks, soil, and the chirping of birds, indicating that all the filters in his mind were lifted. Instead of looking at a small square photograph, he began to see the scene he was part of. However, there is a vast difference between knowing what to do and actually doing it. The prince believed he had everything he needed to take action, and he stood up. He thought he alone held the ultimate truth. To Knud, it seemed as though he had awakened to the reality of the world, while the rest of humanity remained asleep. He was driven by an enthusiasm that is beyond words; he was going to gain followers by proclaiming "I will give meaning to all of you.". But what happens if there's no enthusiasm to take action? "You have become wise. Yet, true wisdom is knowing that you have learned too late at that moment." - Umberto Eco, ll pendolo di Foucault (1988)

[@itsShino6]

I appreciate the consistency of your posts! 7am drops are a good thing to wake up to before heading to work. Some of us go through tough times and I wanted to personally say I appreciate the work you guys put in. Truly inspiring.

[@StudioGek]

Hey thank you so much! The storm always passes. Thank you for taking the time to comment this today🫶🏼

[@emikotagahushi941]

One of my favorite episodes when Prince Canute changes. Hype!!!!

[@ZeroFoxer]

This show went from a really good anime to one of my favourites by the end of season 2 which is funny to me cos I originally thought season 2 was bad when it started.

[@Trixcy]

seems to be that Askeladd was right. Ragnar's death WOULD have a positive impact on Canute in the long run. The prince experienced some real growth as a person in this episode. Thorfinn, on the other hand, has learnt how to fly, courtesy of Thorkell.

[@jwag301]

Easily my favorite episode of the series. I could talk about it for hours.

[@Covaxe]

"Love" is selfish. When you "love" someone you are getting something out of loving them too. The world doesn't get anything out of being there for you, it does it anyways

[@deboditray5834]

I was waiting for Canute's love speech .

[@threeagainstfour]

This episode has my favorite interpretation of the whole Garden of Eden thing. Because man stands apart from nature and alone among creatures is able to understand its place in the world, man has been cursed with that knowledge and has thus been expelled from the garden. So Canute resolves to build his own paradise on Earth.

[@Real_Genji]

Incase you guys didn't know, Canute has the same voice actor as King Floch

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

Never thought id be waiting for reaction videos ever in my life.

[@roligayol8672]

Ragnar only cares for the prince but snow doesn't. The nature treat everybosy equal. That is the different between love and discrimination. That the ideal of this ep. Canute then realizes the examples of love are all around but nobody notice it. So what if a person can love without discrimination ? Answers are what we see, (little spoiled)A guy can keep his dream to protect his mother homeland, the evil viking can enjoy raiding and fighting for themself. They still live and enjoy life cause that one person can love.

[@AR-yd2nd]

The show is now called Canuteland saga

[@Qeops]

One every four days please release these faster the rest is so crazy I need to see

[@hennessyjed5077]

Also, hearing things like 09:18 come out of the same voice actor as Floch’s mouth is hilarious

[@OwihwljA_mjw]

POV: your new and read anime hater then go to their channel

[@StudioGek]

😂😂😂

In the midst of the big fight between Thorfinn and Thorkell, One of the greatest things is disscussed, What is Love?

[@cannonandrus5554]

Baby don’t hurt me

[@Vndlktv]

the way everyone got quiet at 2:15 hahaha

[@drazzc4226]

I enjoy the whole LOVE conversation that goes on in the episode. When I first heard what chanut said I had to sit there for a few minutes and think about it because its actually a very deep theological question. Ultimately no one can express TRUE LOVE because that would mean that you love everyone without discrimination. From my beliefs, Jesus was the only human to have lived to ever shown true love towards everyone. Because hes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit making him God who loves all he has created. Its interesting stuff.

[@abo88jasem]

I think Canute is a largely misunderstood character. And this scene in particular is misunderstood. Everything Canute said, and the whole love theme presented here, revolves around god. What Canute realized is that god does not love all of his creations. God lets the innocent get killed and these warrior to live in hell on earth. Through talking with the religious man he realized, god never loved him or the other warriors with him. He was discriminated against. And to create the world the Ragnar showed, a world of love, he has to start loving those that were discriminator against by god. That is why he spoke to god referring to Bjorn "This man's soul cannot be saved through the trials you set for him!" (what Bjorn needs is love not trials) and then said referring to all warriors "I shall give meaning to your battles, to your life and death.". That is his duty.

[@samuraijosh1595]

Duh what this is a misinterpetation as well. throughout the scene Canute never doubts or percieves God's love as discrimination. the very establishment of the concept of discriminate and indiscriminate love is possible only through the unconditional love exemplified by the christian god and christian philosophy of unconditional love here. What Canute is at angry at God for is God setting such a hugh standard for paradise, that standard being unconditional love. Canute feels that is impossible, and sets out to build his own paradise, rejecting God's paradise. end of scene.

[@suuaadaa]

bring back double episodes 😭

[@cannonandrus5554]

We will!

[@TylerClear]

The love the priest is talking about is "Agape". The loving of all things equally (paraphrasing). This is the love God has for every living being. So humans are incapable of "Agape". That's why the priest was so interested in the story of Thor's and how "a true warrior doesn't need a sword". Very Jesus like qualities. Something interesting here is that Canute's beliefs are destroyed by his revelation, and he now despises God, but the priests beliefs are strengthened by "witnessing a miracle" (Canute stopping Bjorn).

[@We_Love_Eli]

4:22 lmfao yall reaction bjorn is the Goat

[@abilawaandamari8366]

Bro said he will give you a meaning to your life and death, that is so tuff 😭

[@GijsSH]

4:15 omg his fking eyes dude 😭

[@ជួងសុវណ្ណគីរីរាជ្យ]

Nice video

[@idk-ye7ur]

It's crazy hear that someone is such a bum for not wanting to be in a war. Like that a whole bad conflict. ☠️

[@anitbubu3064]

if you loved this episode i think you are gonna love the 2nd season, this one shows a little bit of the points touched later

[@jalonihaden6328]

Next episode of jjk is gonna be wild, I can’t wait for y’all’s reaction 😮😮😮

[@Furqan22134]

Now only missing finale and season 2

[@chlsfd]

the love that the priest were talking about is not unreachable. selfless love can be done just like unconditional love. you don't need to be the "christian" god to attain that. best example was what thors did. he saved his child but also didn't kill others. the discrimination part is just easy to understand. simple example is forgiveness.

[@pettyspeedypetty]

Best ep

[@9709Nick]

Can you imagine these guys watching berserk?

[@TylerClear]

There's a theory that I like but I don't think its real, it basically is that after the carriage crash Canute suffers a brain injury and that's part of the reason he has such a radical change (not the only reason, but part of what changes him).

[@reez0ne911]

HI. Love your reactions!

[@gus6877]

6,18,24 best episodes in my opinion

Love as people mostly understand it is discrimination

[@RacistChinaWhite]

Discriminatory love peculiar to humans

[@newtonia-uo4889]

​@@RacistChinaWhite it cannot be any other way, when we make choices, we are already discriminating, discriminating is merely just discernment. it is impossible to avoid

[@ovider6625]

Episode 18: of appreciating I have no enemies.

[@MrBuddyGuy]

GOAT SAGA

[@mamoooamn8608]

where are guys currently have u started s2? or is this current?

[@StudioGek]

We are on episode 13 of season 2!

[@cannonandrus5554]

On Patreon we’re on season 2 episode 12 i think

[@nicknelsonn]

13:05

[@ElijahLotusShield]

11:16 is he gona join thorkell now? no.... thorkell will join HIM

[@hamidrezai1081]

Sry guys im saying it but this channel is not about anime heters anymore

[@lokizeus114]

Thorkell the best waifu no competition 😔✊

[@pixelskull6984]

📠 😔✊

[@youngvador6063]

I have no enemies

[@shrestha1322]

Bro why just one episode 😭

[@thesuperdak7224]

The reason for confusion on the definition of love here, is that it's coming from a different philosophical source. While it is coming from a Christian priest, the actual religion being portrayed here is Buddhism.

[@whatyouwant4337]

yea what the priest said didnt make sense but are we actually supposed to agree w him or is canute supposed to reject his ideas cuz im honestly not sure

[@popoyeblackstar5087]

ah my favorite episode

[@ToyotomiHideyoshiGre]

Max Verstappen is there.

[@opensesame8888]

I think the priest's view is more like Buddhism and Animism. Because I have been told that only people who believe in Christianity (GOD and Jesus) can get the unconditional love from GOD. But pagans and heathens go to hell. This is what the Christian priests have been preaching in the world. These Vikings were pagans, so I think they were supposed to be abandoned by GOD (in Christianity).

[@themon1100]

why is it a single upload?

[@cannonandrus5554]

We’ll go back to double uploads next week

[@themon1100]

@@cannonandrus5554 sick, ty

[@annie-sc]

From Princess to Chadnute 🔥👑

[@Glitched_gaming766]

I have no enemies (aruarian dance plays)

[@miinnaarrii]

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[@wannabesmoker420]

My favorite s1 episode easily. Loved everyone’s reactions 💯 y’all are binge worthy