Immortal Thor #12: Thor vs Buri

Tyr, God of War, has fallen so all of Odin’s children have assembled to save their brother. The key to Tyr’s salvation is found in the hands of their great-grandfather: Buri. However Buri is also the Utgrad-Odin and will not give up that key without a fight. Thor will have to defeat an elder god and the first All-father if he wants to save Tyr.

[@ITSREIGNING]

It's interesting how each Elder God Thor has met has been more respectful and kind to him than the last. Toranos wanted to fight Thor, Utgard Loki wanted to test Thor, Gaea had a (stern) conversation with Thor and here it seems like Tiwaz just wanted to greet his family.

[@spandansahs8816]

True I wish the elder gods had more stories

[@doncalicula7938]

We should wait how it will end. He did yet not met Oshtur, Chton or Set. We don't know what will happen between them.

[@ThorTalk]

Good observation, though something tells me that the elder gods that went with Utgard-Loki to start the Utgard pantheon are going to break that trend (and Set too if he shows up)

[@Enter_IOP]

I wanna know does rune of ut-gard odin could defeat oblivion? Does that rune-magic which was gifted by the loki is Above to ​odins Rune-Magic please explain @@ThorTalk

[@ThorTalk]

Oblivion is nothingness and only was able to live within Tyr because a piece of him was taken out. That piece was the rune of his soul aka the rune of Tiwaz. When the rune was returned to Tyr, Tyr was made whole and there was no longer any room for Oblivion reside. It’s less about power and more about the nature of Oblivion. If there’s no emptiness, Oblivion can’t be there

[@GuardianGrarl]

This issue was 40 years in the making... and by Buri's wisdom they delivered 300% of his show-stealing presence !! Thor's agape mouth at realizing that back in 1985 he met his great-grandfather and didn't even find out despite the ocean of clues Buri gave was priceless xD Then Thor went "Fall, great-grandfather !" only for Buri to go *Fall ? Who decided that ?? I decide not to fall*

[@ThorTalk]

There had been three Allfathers of Asgard at that point and Tiwaz wasn’t Odin. How Thor didn’t connect the dots… well I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say his mind was elsewhere

[@slickchick5811]

Thor suspected they were related because he said "You have something of Odin in you."

[@slickchick5811]

@@ThorTalk Thor even accused Tiwaz of being Odin because of his father's love of changing shape. Tiwaz laughed and told him he wasn't Odin.

[@BovineDesigns]

The thumbnail of this is so funny. He literally goes "nuh uh" to Mjolnir.

[@turtlecharge8794]

Nice to see you Bovine Designs, do you have any videos in the pipeline? Hope you are doing well.

[@tommyjohnson4294]

Yeah love your videos man

[@AllMacamo]

That was beautiful

[@____2080_____]

I blame Marvel editors for all of this. Al Ewing has potential to be an Allenmore level type of creative force. He understands the nuances and has transformed the Hulk in a way that could last and have the same impact that Moore head on the swamp thing character If only marvel editors, marvel entertainment, allows it to be Thor, who is my second favorite character to the Hulk, has this level of impact with Al Ewing writing the tale. But I see the exact same problems running to him with this Immortal Thor series that plagued the Immortal Hulk. In that Hulk run, we had a set up where the Devil Hulk with team up with Namor, the Sub Mariner and attack the entire civilized world. That arc was never investigated. Now, with this series, I wish they would’ve kept the original artist on this because he was incredible. Even with that, we have these world ending styles of threats only lasting two issues and without any significant fights. All of these characters of the elder gods should at least last 100 issues to allow for the storytelling to paste itself all the way out. Al Ewing is that great of a writer and who needs to have that level of pacing. I know that Marvel comics in 2024 is it the company that can handle that level of proper comic book storytelling given? Its only mission is to fulfill stockholder value promises it made to investors. It’s things like this that make you wonder if it’s time to allow the comic industry to just wither away and die.

[@junenelson4426]

well said

[@camaradiop3731]

THIS is in essence what I told both THOR TALK and Fernando Comics (along with their audience); don't get overly excited about a coming writer, no matter how talented the writer is, because these writers are EMPLOYEES and have to follow the general dictates of their EMPLOYERS. The writers, all of them, are following the trend of a lower level powered THOR, who is, I hate to say this, a joke as an All-Father, in terms of power (for example, weakening rapidly with a small use of the Odin/THOR power). People who defend this nauseating trend don't really have a knowledge of THOR's history and are probably "Johnny come latelys" with the advent of the MCU.

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

​@camaradiop3731 generally maybe but Thor has some crazy high ends

[@CringyColeBrine]

These are amazing, the sound effects bring it all together

[@michaeltaylor788]

Love you're recaps man .

[@alctraz_s299]

It was great to see Buri again. His first appearance is one of my favorite Thor issues. Hope to see more of him in the future just hanging out with his family in Asgard

[@TimothyJ.Lochhead]

Yes the threat of Oblivion Tyr was passed over too quickly. As a type of 'rule', we can look at the number of issues something was hyped-up, and the threat should last at least as long or longer than that. The Tyr/Skinner Box was teased and portrayed in a few issues, so the feeling is the threat and action should last for at least a few issues too. As for Hermod, that was also too quick - but maybe he got away or can be brought back via a rune (if he has one). I guess the rune-trick is potentially something Thor could utilize as well.

[@slickchick5811]

Sometimes its good to resolve stuff without dragging it out. There was still impact...they lost Hermod. the whole Tyr thing never felt like a lot to me.(Like why Oblivion was involved anyway) But it's fascinating Thor's conversation with Ullr...so this means the God of Doom is the only other sibling that is elder on BOTH sides! And a full brother, not half asgardian sibling. Very interesting.

[@TimothyJ.Lochhead]

@@slickchick5811 That's a good point about Ullr! And I know what you mean about getting things over with - though the flipside to something dragging on is going way to quick. In this case I didn't feel things were dragging, and what Thor Talk was saying being too quick because Hermod and Try were both downplayed. When that happens they feel more like cannon fodder than being anything meaningful. Perhaps the publisher is having things rushed, who knows. As exciting as new characters and prospects are, I wish existing characters received better treatment.

[@DavidJohnson-td5ic]

I thought the same way about Tyr's seemingly easy defeat. He had proven that with a wave of his hand, he could literally erase a god (of speed, no less) from existence. So why then does some arrows and a barrage of flame prevent him from unleashing another death wave? Speaking of god of speed, I have a sneaking suspicion he will return before Immortal Thor is finished. Somehow. I hope. Oh, and LMAO at that sneak diss to Jason Aaron (should've included Donny Cates, too).

[@user-xf8pw6do5i]

Al Ewing is obviously a good writer, but writing an epic fight sequence is not his strong suit. every single action scene he has wrote in this series is pretty underwhelming to outright boring.

[@DavidJohnson-td5ic]

@user-xf8pw6do5i I don't know about that. This run started off in spectacular fashion. Thor's battle against Utgard-Thor, along with Beta Ray Bill and Storm was awesome! The introduction and fight with Roxxon-Thor was hilarious and action-heavy. Even the Utgard-Loki story was very well- done and entertaining, as well as the return of Enchantress and Skurge, and their manipulation of Thor which ended up killing The Minotaur. It's only been this story arc (and the accompanying ill-suited artwork) that this run has taken a dip in quality, for me.

[@louisvictor3473]

I dont have a problem with Tyr/Tyr's body puppetered by Oblivion getting kept at bay by Sutr's flammes via Lausa. Oblivion caught Hermod off guard, the others were very highly alerted, and Tyr isn't physically all that impressive among his sibblings, just so much Oblivion had to work with.

[@DavidJohnson-td5ic]

@louisvictor3473 Hermod was caught off-guard, that's true. Just seems odd that Tyr never had the opportunity to unleash another bolt when faced with (admittedly formidable) flames, and an arrow-slinger, which is more a bad look for Oblivion, as it only required two comparatively lesser gods (one of which is a literal baby) to defeat him.

[@louisvictor3473]

@@DavidJohnson-td5ic But he wasn't defeated by them, or in combat, just temporarily stalemated. That is ofc not oblivion itself, just a fraction of it, but even so, all they accomplish was stall for time, locking "Tyr" into a defensive position, unable to make a move but also just taking everything while they were getting tired and running out of juice without doing any actual damage. Had Thor take just a little longer to bring the magical instant win card, the five of them would have died.

[@spandansahs8816]

Finally buri in action

[@uxm4life94]

Couldn't imagine Kirby, Buscema, Simonson or anyone else drawing Thor mouth agape in shock. A weak expression for weak men in weak times. Not the body language of a warrior god.

[@tommyjohnson4294]

Awesome love all the info

[@ThorTalk]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@peccles12]

Gets better and better.

[@ThorTalk]

Can’t wait to see where it goes from here

[@matthewschwartz6607]

Is that the first time that we saw Tiwaz since that Simonson issue? I recently got a paperback of the Simonson Visionaries, and that issue was in it. He hasn’t been used since? I like how Ewing is using The Elder Gods and some of these more obscure characters.

[@StillOnly25c]

Started on buying the Thor Omnibus books, completed my Essential Thor run and working on the last of the Epic collections I missed out on Life is great

[@ThorTalk]

That is awesome! Good luck completing your collection

[@gm2407]

I enjoyed it. Was wondering what happened with this story line.

[@romaricogalvez1024]

The art on this issue is great,however,there’s not much action involved,more dialogue and plot devices. It was nice to see Thor use his wits and not rely on Mjolnir to force matters physically and violently.

[@Coffinhunter77]

Well I guess art is subjective because I thought it looked like anime inspired immature crap

[@omarscarborough4274]

What percentage of Elder god is Vidar ? 12.5% from Odin and unknown percentage from Set and Chthon on his Storm Giant mother Gerd"s side. He also a descendent of Surtur.

[@slickchick5811]

what the heck happened to the wives? Bestla, et al???

[@doomthagoon8512]

This is so confusing. I thought bor was thors grandfather. And what does being 5/8 elder God mean for thor? Does it make hin stronger or something?

[@alphadestroyer3028]

Bor is his grandfather, Buri/Tiawaz is Thor's great grandfather, Bor's father.

[@ThorTalk]

Bor is his grandfather. Buri is Bor’s father and Thor’s great-grandfather. As for Thor being 5/8 elder god as opposed to half, it might make him stronger or might just be an interesting fact

[@doomthagoon8512]

@@alphadestroyer3028 thanks

[@doomthagoon8512]

@@ThorTalk thanks for the explanation

[@alphadestroyer3028]

@@doomthagoon8512 My pleasure.

[@Enter_IOP]

Just have one question rune arrow > rune magic

[@sauron69447]

I wish the Art was better

[@ThorTalk]

Me too

[@slickchick5811]

Balder looks like a weird fairy wizard not the god of light

[@jmrjhulk]

Thor is going to die again soon but will come back stronger more powerful 💪

[@ThorTalk]

Seems likely. Gonna be quite the comeback

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

Thor Talk💪

[@ThorTalk]

Saw that you’re really close to 100k. Keep it up 💪

[@therussiancomicbookgeek]

@@ThorTalk thanks bro🤙

[@Xcoming2]

ooooh noooo

[@tanyagreen406]

Didn't Odin send Skurge back from Valhalla to thwart Thor's death on a bridge?

[@ThorTalk]

He did, but it’s a work in progress

[@omarscarborough4274]

Is Freyja 25% Elder god?

[@ThorTalk]

No, Odin is since Tiwaz is his grandfather, but Freyja’s parentage in relation to the elder gods is unknown

[@omarscarborough4274]

@ThorTalk Njord is Freyja's Grandfather. He is the son of Buri aka Tiwaz. Freyr is her father.

[@ThorTalk]

I don’t know if Marvel has made it canon that Njord is Freyr’s father (he is in the myths, but he’s also Freyja’s brother in the myths), but if so then Freyja would be 1/8 elder god since Buri would be her great-grandfather

[@omarscarborough4274]

​@ThorTalk Njord is half Elder god. He had a child with Gaea named Freyr who is the father of Freyja. Would that make Freyja 1/3 Elder god?

[@chaneladriana6829]

Avengers #18 they gonna get Hyperion to whop the avengers

[@callmestorm23]

I'm guessing Hyperion is going to be Thor's test before he fights Atum. And looking at Atum, he is basically Hyperion on major steroids

[@chaneladriana6829]

@@callmestorm23 he already fought atum but that was a Mbody

[@callmestorm23]

@@chaneladriana6829 He fought the Demogorge. Not Atum. Atum is the destroyer of the Elder Gods. Gaia literally states this a couple of issues ago.

[@chaneladriana6829]

@@callmestorm23 that atum transformed into demogorge

[@user-xf8pw6do5i]

​@@callmestorm23he already fought Atum buddy, Ewing didn't do proper research on that one. Thor literally fought him in the core of the sun, when he needed Atum's help to defeat SET.

[@louisvictor3473]

I dont think Oblivion Tyr didn't live to its potential, beause I didn't see it as Tyr who has been introduced to the ways of Oblivion, just Oblivion itself (albeit in a highly nerfed manner). Tyr's body to have easier access to lower realms of existence than Oblivion's own. Tyr's soul/essence wasn't home, so I don't count it as Tyr, and the complete nothing it left behind in his body is probably how Nothing managed to take over his body. So I didn't see it as a fight against a new player/version of Tyr, but merely as a prelude to a probable later fight against Oblivion (Utgard-Demogorge, perhaps?) more directly, one that Thor and friends can't win by brawl, but only by wits, perhaps by turning Oblivion's own game and tricks agains them, like it is implied Thor did to Tiwaz (granted, Buri seems to have let him have that one to teach him this without saying it out loud, only Thor and Buri would fully understand the fine details of the unspoken parts of Buri's lesson).

[@slickchick5811]

oblivion is a conceptual entity.

[@louisvictor3473]

@@slickchick5811 okay, and?

[@itprocmj]

Blasphemy! You're using the words of the Havamal as a basis for "reimagining" Norse Religion ("Mythology"). ALMIGHY Thor and Teiwaz (Tir) were NEVER opponents. Marvel Comics Thor was NEVER canon. Any Norse Culture scholar should know that very well, so I am not telling you anything new.

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

Art Sucks big time. Storyline jas potential but its being hurried along too much

[@Tyler_Lalonde-]

Al Ewing sucks