Thought Slime Doesn't Care If The Left Appeals To Men Or Not

[@brianrenald9276]

Ive said it once and I'll say it a billion more times, if you ever want a leftist to talk like a right winger, bring up men's issues

[@cc-bk3tx]

TRUUU

[@csours]

No, it is impossible for men to have issues in our current social structure. (can you tell if I'm joking or not?)

[@brianrenald9276]

@@csours I can't tell if you're joking, but In an ideal world I should.

[@user-kq5ci7ol8o]

@@csours The fact that if you hadn't added in that last part, I would have had to ponder whether or not you were serious saddens me, but hey, the left as a whole aren't like this, so hopefully the vocal part of it that's like this rn will get past this eventually

[@oddjam]

I am the only good leftist and I absolutely would not do that.

[@lazyhammerwieldingpenguin2247]

This discourse has been pretty revealing. It really shows how many people on the left hear the idea of "we should make the left more appealing to men" and hear "abandon your principles for political power" instead of "show people how capitalism and social hierarchies are making them unhappy."

[@izzytwinkles]

Yes! EXACTLY. That's so weird.

[@Molly-jh4kz]

Alternative theory being unappealing to men is one of many "leftists" principle beliefs. So for thought slime and his ilk "we should make the left more appealing to men" and "abandon your principles for political power" are genuinely synonymous.

[@NegitoroIsBestShip]

Comment of the day

[@oolacilesbotnet6564]

Actually a good point being made here but Vaush, specifically, definitely did abandon his principles (if he ever had any that is, which, at this point I'm not sure he ever had)

[@erikbuchanan4648]

Besides just being an idiot, Thought Slime actively hurts the left just like other fringe leftists. The left has people like this and the right has Maga.

[@pangean2986]

Media oriented towards men has been filled with themes of emasculation under capitalism for decades. All we need is to show them that this unhappiness doesn't have to be directed at vague concepts like "society" or "modernity" and point it at the real issue of capitalism. Men are victims too, the system is just better at convincing them not to believe that.

[@motionpictures6629]

Capitalism is pretty new and the problem is far older. You can't make a 300-year-old concept responsible for an at least 6000-year-old problem.

[@Badbufon]

@@motionpictures6629 yeap, the other day i was learning about Sumer and reading their old tablets, and it was the same shit as always. that's 6000 years ago. "no capitalism" or "white guy bad" are such a lazy and narrow minded concepts that don't accomplish anything other than rearranging the same problem around. we have been feeling this unhappiness and scamming/exploiting/killing each other since at least the dawn of civilization

[@HirokuDev]

"Men are victims too, the system is just better at convincing them not to believe that." Flawless, thank you for adding a new concise point to my collection

[@Terminalsanity]

@@motionpictures6629 Sure you can, people were practicing capitalism long people gave name to it and it directly ties into the establishment of the patriarchy. Strictly speaking prior to the industrial revolution societies were heavily dependent upon heavy manual labor and men as a group were able to provide/produce such labor to a greater degree than women could hence as a group they leveraged that social utility into social dominance. Dominance that first started to wane considerably during the industrial revolution when the social utility of heavy manual labor waned considerably and has been waning ever. Since said dominance was predicated upon the social utility of men, any one man's social value more or less became based upon the value society deemed their labor and/or their control of the fruits or labors they amassed consequently if a man fails to measure up he's effectively deemed useless to society and fully disposable and that there is how toxic masculinity came to be. Capitalism, the patriarchy, and toxic masculinity are and were very much interrelated thousands of years before people even conceived of the terms to describe them.

[@motionpictures6629]

@@Terminalsanity no, they did not practice capitalism. They practiced feudalism or mercantilism. Both imply monopolies, and monopolies are incompatible with Adam Smiths capitalism. Capitalism gave oppressed people more power. You can be a hated member of a minority, as long as you supply some value to someone in the world in free market capitalism you have the means to survive. That wasn't the case in our previous economic systems. One was totally dependent on the good will of once neighbors. Karl Marx was a fan of capitalism, he saw it as the next Hegelian wave that would make progressive utopia possible, because capitalism was far freer than any economic system that ever existed before.

[@dylanb265]

A lot of people think that hatred or prejudice is only evil when it’s aligned with systemic oppression. These people are wrong. Prejudice rots the soul and its biggest victims are its proponents.

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

This

[@csours]

A lot of a person's mentality is framed by the biggest fight in their life. If you are fighting for your rights against a system that does not protect those rights, then your mental framing will be against that system. The cognitive shortcut that is most harmful here is to substitute that system for the members of that system, and to feel like the people in that system are your enemy. In other words, that hatred and prejudice is not just sometimes present, it is expected, unless you have made positive efforts to recognize it and dispel it.

[@ukyoize]

Person who created "prejudice + power" bullshit made world so much worse

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

I honestly think, at this point, that those people are either just racist or stupid.

[@bernardfacebook7821]

@@csours It's crazy to think about how the human mind takes shortcuts like that and ends up making fools out of otherwise smart, rational people. I feel so sorry for people who have come up against hate for all their lives and ended up succumbing to it rather than coming out a stronger, more positive person. I can understand and relate to the hate they have against our system and the people who uphold it, but I truly believe it makes them weak both politically AND as people.

[@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug]

Lets instead appeal to the people who already vote for us by virtue of their poor treatment from the Right. That will definitely work out in election results.

[@stepaion438eldon8]

Bruh why do you sound like an Average DNC Strategist before the 2016 election explaining why picking up suburban moderates is more important than doing things for minorities since they "VoTe fOr Us No MaTtEr WhAt." Bernie Sanders already had a ton of these dudes that like Andrew Tate but were working class where he failed was with older black people and black nonvoters, perhaps that should be a higher priority for the left to support since they actually decide elections in swing states and can turn red states.

[@oolacilesbotnet6564]

you're so election cucked by Vaush it's precious

[@andrewjacks2716]

Or, if you don't care about election results: have fun organizing a general strike without half of the workforce

[@bedelian]

Vote? Wait, you want to actually affect change in the world? Why? I thought the goal was to complain and establish yourself as the most left person.

[@XMysticHerox]

Your mistake is coming at this from a "I want to make the world a better place" standpoint rather than the "I want to signal how great and left wing I am" approach TS takes to things.

[@litkeys3497]

The worst thing you can do is make a good point badly. Anyone publicly espousing leftwing positions has a RESPONSIBILITY to argue as best they can to as many people as possible. ESPECIALLY to skeptical members of culturally dominant groups. What is so hard to understand here? Are we trying to win or not?

[@cjohnson3836]

People who make their money complaining online to other people don't want an end to the things they complain about.

[@otto_jk]

Thought slime would make a good non binary Igor if there ever was non binary Frankenstein

[@hand13932]

@@otto_jk nonbinary frankenstien would fall in line with the original and what it represented as a social statement

[@Shadowcam00]

No. Thought slime is not trying to win. They don't want an effective movement; they want a club that they can maintain clout in; this is aesthetic roleplayer behavior, and the left is infested with it.

[@hanshintermann1551]

Plenty of people on the left unfortunately care less about winning and more about patting their shoulders.

[@embluvya]

Vaush was so right when he said that wokescolds see politica as a social club. Doing what it takes to win never even crossed their mind. This is a hobby to show others how virtuous they are, not something designed to shape society or make people's lives better.

[@Cataphract3]

It does come across as a fundamentalist religion at times. The goal is first to maintain purity not to gain allies or converts

[@RatPfink66]

@@Cataphract3 that's a lot scarier than a hobby, tho.

[@TheGabrielPT]

the online left has zero pragmatism, more news at 7

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Münecat made an hour-and-a-half long video about the manosohere and the first ten minutes she’s talking about how The Left needs to take self-improvement for men away from the Right. Just in case the video essayists want to start a fight among their own

[@asherroodcreel640]

It's funny how they made that a thing, I wish stuff could just be left

[@alfsmith4936]

Münecat needs to tidy her room.

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

Münecat does great work.

[@Molly-jh4kz]

As I recalled the remaining 80 minutes of that video contained a lot of her blaming and mocking men for being duped by right-wing grifters.

[@davidallen4388]

@@Molly-jh4kz I mean, as a man I will mock other men for falling for grifters. I've poked fun at (and subsequently pulled people away from) those insanely stupid views that get peddled by those charlatans in the manosphere, and I'm not about to pull the mockery, it's completely necessary for people to see the absurdity inherent in the situation.

[@notrdy4thisjelly546]

Being relentlessly smug is also a great way to appeal to people.

[@lberghaus]

It works for Tucker Carlson though

[@callowaymotorcompany]

@@lberghaus mostly because is isnt smug about the people hes trying to appeal to

[@sidneydavidson993]

That's how I get out of traffic tickets

[@MrMiddleWick]

I don't like the assumption that leftism is against the men interest, we're here to make things better for everyone

[@spacecatet1754]

Certain people on the left have a tendency to look at the power imbalance that exists between men and women in a way that prevents any charitibility towards men. It's strange

[@ezzyelder3385]

It's about having messaging for young men. The left broadly doesn't do that nearly enough as we should.

[@asherroodcreel640]

@@Ass_of_Amalek actually I'm confused too, or what your going to next will be super dumb

[@stirlingmatheson2005]

Thought slime looks like a Batman villain

[@Molly-jh4kz]

I don't think thought slime is here to make things better for everyone. He's here to make life better for the good oppressed people and worse for the evil oppressors.

[@givemeawand]

I don’t get why people don’t want the Left to have as large an appeal as possible.

[@SA-mo3hq]

Politics as High-school cliques. They don't want dudes in their social club.

[@ActuallySatan]

It's because if we get what we want, the lefties who have formed their identities around being contrarians towards powerful groups instead of making the world better (like the Red Planet crew) wouldn't be able to do what they do.

[@FLE3TING_2NDS]

Some just want the left to be a social hug box for those born into the right position rather than an effective political movement

[@eden4519]

bc they see leftism as a exclusive club for them and their friends

[@mrsnrub282]

Because then we might win and then actually have to do something instead of whine about it on the internet.

[@TheBasedGreeg]

I could’ve told you that. Dude’s too scared to say “nanners,” without an apology video, they’re not built to work to change systems

[@ezzyelder3385]

They're not built to work anything

[@warlordofbritannia]

What is “nanners” anyways? Is it some ironic insult?

[@thatlemonguy1107]

@@warlordofbritannia Nanners comes from "bananas" used to refer to crazy behavior or people. Thought Slime was apologizing, in effect, for saying a form of the word "crazy"

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@thatlemonguy1107 Why would he apologize for that? I mean, was he calling someone rather sane “nanners”? I feel like I’m missing some key bit of info here 😂

[@alfsmith4936]

@@warlordofbritannia It's retarded, right?..

[@TrepidDestiny]

They just committed the literal definition of gatekeeping. "You're not left enough so you can't join the club and I don't want you!". Mildred seriously needs to take a step back, maybe do some introspection into their hate of men, because this sounds like projecting self hatred onto an entire group.

[@cjohnson3836]

This is the peculiar thing. This is the first I've seen this person because I'm not chronically online. Do they do anything other than sit on KZbin? Like, are they involved in govt lobbying? Have they ran for local govt? Have they played a role in campaigning for someone? Have they tried to even get signatures for a local resolution at a town hall? Because here's the thing, if you're not doing those things, you're not qualified to be saying who is, or isn't, "the left". The internet is full of fucktards claiming what "the left" is supposed to be while doing absolutely fucking nothing of any tangible value for leftist causes.

[@hanshintermann1551]

"because this sounds like projecting self hatred onto an entire group." Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

[@nocturem]

Its not just gatekeeping its a 1 2 combo of fatalism and sour grapes "men we couldn't reach weren't ever reachable or worth reaching" Its a defensive "I don't wanna introspect on failures so I reinterpret them as both inevitable and good actually so I never need to change"

[@fabiometalsinger]

@@nocturem these grapes weren't even ripe, that's why I didn't picked them from the tree in the first place

[@dinosaysrawr]

It's like, Mildred, my human, you are AMAB yourself.

[@shimmerence]

men are literally half the population, you’re going to need them in a progressive movement. i used to really enjoy mildred’s content but i can’t understand why they would use this framing

[@karenholmes6565]

The very idea that capitalism serves ANY of us is just absurd. Not even the majority of white men are winning under capitalism.

[@oddjam]

I did as well but they've really fallen off.

[@Badbufon]

for a "leftist" he should know a thing or two about othering and dehumanization lol

[@GayTier1Operator]

how can you like their content

[@asmodiusjones9563]

Mildred’s problem, as with many leftists, is that they conflate sex (and race) with economic status. When they say “men” what they’re really talking about is rich men. While what everyone hears is “men”, that is, all men. “Men” includes the 18-year-old wage slave as well as the 45-year-old who inherited several multimillion rental properties. But they have nothing in common. A rich white man, rich black man, and rich woman of either race have significantly more in common with each other and have similar amounts of privilege compared to a poor or even middle-class white man. If you listen to both Mildred’s speech here, he is referring to the men who “have stuff,” that is, are rich. But Vaush is responding by applying his comments to all men, including high schoolers. They are talking in circles around each other (although Mildred carries the blame for being unclear and imprecise in the first place).

[@enlightenednormie242]

"useful as an ally" is a counterproductive phrase because the minute a person hears that it completely shuts their receptiveness off, as it very much sounds like the overall utility of that person/group is being considered rather than their humanity🤷 The Objectification vibe goes hard with that line of dialogue.

[@kertchu]

Very well said, that felt wrong to me too

[@andys9649]

Exactly 💯 💯 💯

[@JoseSerrato0420]

And then those allies get dragged to either extreme leftist groups or to the far right, both through minority spokespeople they've been told not to question.

[@trianglemoebius]

"it very much sounds like the overall utility of that person/group is being considered rather than their humanity" It very much sounds that way because it IS that way. Not to reasonable leftists, but to people like ThoughtSlime that's exactly how allies are viewed. I'm no debater, but I've had my share of conversations with people like ThoughtSlime and they always fail to realise: Yes, the only good reactionary is a game-ended reactionary, but even better is someone who ISN'T one. Either they got out, or never joined up in the first place. They really do have the ultimate in "with us or against us" mentality, to the point where everyone who hasn't always agreed with everything they see is secretly a fifth-column, and thus in the "against".

[@funkydanieluk]

Whenever left wing people talk about men's issues....they will start with "the right is having success is speaking to young men! They are recruit! Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson get lots of male followers and men aren't supporting us!" This is a mask off moment. The people saying this have no empathy for men, they are just useful as political tools. If the right was failing to appeal to men as well, men could just be ignored.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

People who decide to just automatically align themselves against "all the men" seem to be completely unaware of how many gender-non-conforming people are forced to live as men for various reasons. Imagine being one of those people and having to deal with all the BS from both sides. Must be rather crushing.

[@e.h.5680]

Oh yes, that's the issue here. There may be a small percentage of "us" in "the enemy". I wonder why I should look at that POS - with how disgusting he looks - revealing his intentions towards me - a man - and not go to an all out war to not let him take my power. His intentions are hostile, which removes any empathy I may have had towards his (his? Who TF knows at this point) cause. I completely understand why the Right wing would resist these creatures.

[@inurokuwarz]

Imagine not even knowing you're GNC because nobody will even explain that's an option because of how you look.

[@p2jnyoom]

@Ian Wazowski I believe you're wrong here. It's not misogynistic to bring up GNC people, and even more so if the conversation is on how the conforming groups harm them. Look from their eyes: the men bully them into conforming (usually because they're insecure about their masculinity and are reacting harshly to those more secure in their), and the women bully them out of spaces where they can escape the men who would harm them because they're men. If you're trying to escape from a lion that will maim you if you don't leave, and I'm preventing you from getting to safety so I don't get hurt, you are going to get hurt. Either the lion will harm you, or I will indirectly harm you by making it so you can't not get hurt by the lion. Yes, by all means, give the power men have to all other marginalized groups. But to keep men from the very few things marginalized groups hold over men, or to not eliminate the inequities born from the initial position where men have more advantages, or both, will lead to more harm than good long-term. They will violently cling to the image of masculinity they have because we didn't give them a better and healthier masculinity. We need to uplift everyone to the level of power men have, and we must eliminate the differences between men and non-men. The same goes for any other power imbalance.

[@NatsumiTakanawa]

So true! I've been saying this for so long. One can't say things like "we can't assume someone's gender" (which I agree 100% with) then go on to treat anyone who's male-presenting like crap or an automatic predator without proof. Also, how would we not know that someone isn't a closeted trans person or could possibly come out as non-cis later down the road of their lives (and yes, I've actually seen plenty of non-terfs accidently treating closeted trans people like crap because they were male-presenting at the time due to life circumstances). This is unironic gender essentialism and it becomes transphobic. Not progressive thinking AT ALL.

[@NatsumiTakanawa]

@@ianwazowski5607 - I spotted a psyop.

[@no_siema_co_tam6650]

Appealing to male issues is literally how i introduced the idea of feminism to some of my male friends. Instead of going up to them and saying "hey, sexism bad", I listened to their problems (dating, body image, career expectations), and explained that a lot of those are caused by patriarchy and rigid gender norms. And told them that feminism can actually help everyone including them. You'd be surprised how well it worked.

[@demodiums7216]

I hate to be this guy, but there are way more societal expectations placed on men than women. Outside of very conservative areas...women are basically inherently valued just for existing. For men to have value they must be successful. They are expected to do the most difficult jobs and have a worse life by almost every metric (at least in 1st world countries). I agree that some of the pressure on women to look a certain way is unfair...but men are openly mocked for their looks all the time. No one cares when a man is mocked for being short or bald....which they largely cant change....while the main negative comments women will recieve pertains to their weight....which they can change. Just food for thought.....

[@rohamcsigusz]

Once i begin to talk about men's issues from a feminist point of view they suddenly visibly become amicable to feminist arguments. Like its making them think and listens and engages with the conversation. Even the Tate fan had to agree to some feminist explanations that were made with a focus on men's issues in mind.

[@helvete_ingres4717]

FYI 'listening to their problems' in order so that you may tell them those problems can be solved by subscribing to the ideology you're selling isn't actually 'listening' to anyone. It's a slimy move identical to how recruiters for cults operate, that's why they always start out asking how you're doing in life, if you feel there's a void in your soul that nothing can be fill, THEN they whip out the stuff about thetans

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

@@demodiums7216 Historically women were barely seen as people, where legally property and weren’t considered citizens. People thought educating women would damage them since their brains were too small. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Iran exists for women but there is no equivelance for men anywhere in the world. But sure, men are the oppressed gender and women are seen as more valuable almost everywhere

[@hyperboliccancers3269]

Who lies to their friends like that?

[@gothgammy666]

I’m glad you feel like women aren’t above reproach, that is what real feminism is. It’s equality not superiority. Men lose nothing from feminism. I think that can be a challenging to understand for a lot of people including feminist women.

[@warlordofbritannia]

If anything, men gain from feminism via the deconstruction of toxic masculinity

[@boserboser6870]

Its definitely one of those trust things. Interpersonaly i think 90% of people get it (unless ive just been in the most ideal spaces possible). Its when online in the land of dogwistles and bad faith that people seem techie.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Most men lose everything with feminism.

[@Kropothead]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Sure, if we replace the actual meaning of the term with whatever goofy bullshit you imagine it means. In real terms, no. That’s stupid and wrong.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@Kropothead It's funny how you can't even explain how men losing their families, jobs and careers thanks to feminism benefits them in your goofy mind.

[@Robbay363]

As leftists we really need to move past the modernist perspective on these issues. Gender dynamics are more complicated than "oppressor group/oppressed group".

[@dynamicworlds1]

It's such a 2nd wave feminist way of looking at it. Weren't we supposed to be long past that?

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Then you are not a Leftist, but a Reactionary.

[@ShimSladyBrand]

Asking an online leftist to have more nuance than a third grader is being completely unrealistic, shame on you

[@skytiger215]

The Left Wants to Lose: The T.V. Series™ has been renewed for far too many seasons.

[@Ryan-sc2vd]

Banger comment

[@Colddirector]

I would say the the left loves to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory but let's be real they self sabotage well before they're ever in danger of winning.

[@emperoremperor1486]

The seasons since last year have been really great tho. Who knew bringing back the corpse of the USSR could cause so much self owns.

[@uninstaller2860]

I'm waiting for the spinoff series

[@Kickiusz]

At this point, I'm starting to think it's a fetish.

[@titaniawallace4223]

"We should make our political movement smaller and have less power actually" cool and good

[@ShimSladyBrand]

Based

[@animationtime7265]

The worst part is that if someone tries to leave the right for the left like I did and they end up finding someone like slime who says that it must be immediate change or you will be removed from these spaces. They sure as shit aren't gonna come back.

[@eMorphized]

This is why every group needs a process to convert people. You can't just chuck someone in holy water and call them a Christian.

[@aidenbutterfield754]

It’s like some people don’t see leftism as a movement for actual change, and instead just see it as a niche internet community. I swear I’m reminded of like the Star Wars fandom a couple of years ago, and all the white guys who tried to keep “politics” out of the fandom, when they meant keep minorities and women out. It literally feels like the same thing, the only difference being that there language is less coded, and there control is over something that’s actually important.

[@mikeyahl7363]

Star Wars was literally my one & only special interest/main personality trait my whole life. After Kelly Marie Tran got bullied off Twitter, I legitimately banished the entirety of Star Wars from my life for a while because I just *could* *not* handle the toxicity

[@Badbufon]

@@mikeyahl7363 you guys are brining me Last Jedi reviews PSTD, i am pretty sure those fuckers are still seething at the sight of a female character that is not Carrie Fisher.

[@nicolasnamed]

Yeah, exactly! I hate when people treat leftism and being progressive like a Fandom. Literally disgusts me.

[@mjangelvortex]

@AggravatedFruit Some did and others only cared for Leia because she was hot and wore that bikini. Carrie Fisher herself brought up how some fans would make creepy sexual comments towards her.

[@Badbufon]

@AggravatedFruit i know they liked her as a damsel in distress and as a sex slave in the classic films, but they were probably seething about her being too old or some shit like that in the newer films, but as always, the cacophony of bitching were targeted towards the younger feeeeemales. i know as a fandom we didn't get the point that space nazis were bad, but man the problem was deeper than i thought.

[@seanryanmaddy3966]

I want to say it not just it not just young men with these issues of social intelligence and comfort. I'm 33 , and I am going through this right now. I know I'm don't how to navigate social relationships outside of work environment. So I don't date, because it just something I'm not equipped to do, and i know if I fuck up it can be very bad for me so I don't try, but I want to its a very alienating feeling. So keep everyone in mind when thinking about this

[@halleffect5439]

At least you reconize it and can improve. Im at the same age than you, finding myself in a similar situation. We have to improve, because society fail to give men/boys the nesseccary social skills.

[@seanryanmaddy3966]

@Hall Effect it true that is helps to know this but how do you learn properly in an environment that isn't exactly conducive to make mistakes. Plus, the starting point sucks, as a guys you have to assume that anyone you are interested in , probably isn't I to you. Not doing g so is just a path trouble. Better yet there is a good chance that they may not take to being hit on very well, low as it is it still there. And then there is the fact that almost all women are automatically on edge when they think a guy may be into them unless they are also into them, some times even then. None of this is an area where failing doesn't come with some risk. So in my case I just don't play even though I want to, because their is no safe way of learning

[@AbuBased731]

It's 0vER for old-Çels LoL

[@AbuBased731]

Just wait until your prime Bro!

[@Sorenzo]

I had all those problems that Vaush talks about that lead people towards misogyny, and the beautiful thing here - for the left - is that feminism actually can solve all those men's problems. Once equality is properly understood, feminism is an amazing way to make men happier in life. But for this great fact to benefit feminism and the left, more feminists actually have to understand it, which means understanding men's issues. Because it really is true that young men don't feel privileged over women in our society. They feel women are the ones who are always allowed to judge us, they're the ones who get to decide if we're cool, if we're weird, if we're too nerdy, too fat, too stupid, etc. Of course, girls often feel the same way about guys, but that's precisely why feminism (the pursuit of gender equality) is the solution - not because it simply alleviates male power over women, but because it liberates us all from the paradigm in which our worth as people is determined by how much our life looks like a Hollywood rom-com.

[@asherroodcreel640]

Woman have nice skin it keep the rats off and away from the cold

[@billjohnson6863]

I don’t think men will really get into it until women seem like they want real equality. It’s kinda hard to trust feminists when they talk a big game but still want the man to pay for dinner.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

That's just useless platitudes until feminism legalizes sex work.

[@Terminalsanity]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Feminism isn't what made or keeps sex work illegal, Skip.

[@verager2493]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Intersectional feminists are the ones fighting for sex work, keep up

[@GeorgeMerl]

Gotta put a trigger warning before exposing us to thought slime

[@asherroodcreel640]

Naw that's nanners

[@toddpacker4683]

@@asherroodcreel640 you bigoted fuck!

[@sacwingedbatsatadbitsad4346]

@@asherroodcreel640 As an autistic person, I expect the 20-minute apology video on my desk by 5.

[@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213]

*ToxSlime *TankieSlime

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

@@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213 Thought Slime is an Anarchist, and you are literally mentally handicapped; now Anarchists, Stalinists, "Tankies" and even (some, nowadays) Social Democrats would indeed give you the Healthcare you need, but I'm not sure about neo-con Voosh, he sounds more like the "Final Solution" type to me.

[@LoveLearnShareGrow]

He actually makes some great points in that video, but I was also overcome with annoyance by the anti-male stupidity in the first 2/3rds. And then in the comments I got in an argument with some moron who literally believes there's no such thing as good advice, so leftists shouldn't make videos giving people advice because that would be dishonest. Just real brain-dead stuff.

[@Ryukuro]

There is objectively good advice. It's mostly vague concepts but it's out there.

[@joanmoriarity8738]

Is it anti-male, or just anti-asshole?

[@verager2493]

These are people who think that any and all arguing is pointless, and we shouldn't do it. They argue against the concept of convincing others because debate man bad (and debate (anything but man) just doesn't exist, conveniently...). There's a reason they all circled the wagons around a video that supports abuse.

[@Badbufon]

to be fair, leftist advice is the preachiest and most self absorbed stuff you can find around... and often degenerates into a set of self-flagellation rules for penance.

[@chanterelle2998]

I wonder if they thought what they said to you was 'good advice'. Maybe they thought it was a fact instead of advice, and advice is bad because it's idealism, lmao.

[@pr3cious193]

Didn't know I was so powerful, thanks Thought slime. They're a perfect example what happens when someone's more interested in preaching down and feeling high and mighty than effecting change and making actual progress.

[@Scar-jg4bn]

Aka, 90% of the left nowadays.

[@tylerlerner4808]

That’s a pretty nanners accusation to make.

[@TheOnlyCathyCat]

@@tylerlerner4808 ... right that's it, I want a half hour apology video NOW!....

[@kasane1337]

@@tylerlerner4808 I'm sorry, Tyler, once you use slurs like these you can never be part of the Left again. Please pack your things and leave.

[@nate.draws.things]

That's what put me off their videos in the first place, before I even found out about their bullshit. TS just gives off this air of, "Look at me, I have all the correct opinions and I will preach them down to you." Idk, they just kinda seem holier-than-thou for no reason lmao.

[@mashiromoritaka6299]

Sometimes I think about becoming a KZbinr to appeal to young white men, to teach them to listen to people and to try to de-radicalize them. Rn I don't do any kind of progressive actions on social media, so it should be a net positive right? To try to be a door of entry from the radicalized online area to a more neutral/liberal space.

[@TheDynamicJAB]

Go for it

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

Do it bud. That’s pretty cool

[@hand13932]

a large majority of "real people" conservatives ive met have a lot of questions that they feel mean for asking. leads me to believe that a lot of people are only conservative because they are literally just unaware of the actual positions of the left

[@alansmithee9769]

yeah a buddy and I have been occasionally talking about finding out where to start. I think kinda finding ways to signal boost and support male creators in a variety of genres who try to build accepting spaces because there are tons of spaces guys might go to but if all the voices are all shitty then that's all they're going to hear. You need like people who run channels about stuff like media or sports or even stuff like whiskey to be willing to sit down and take stances on things, push back on shitty attitudes in their communities, etc etc.

[@gremlinqueen6657]

Honestly if you think you have what it takes go for it

[@keithpatschke4730]

Allergic to winning should be the definition for people like this

[@Bnio]

It's like people who only get attention by complaining. After a while, they can't even grasp the notion of praising something.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Obsessed with "winning" is literally Trumpism, your origins are showing.

[@maxcheese382]

I think it’s super important to note that while in this community we understand gender as a spectrum and a social construct it’s an undeniable fact that most men identify as that because they were born male and told that that makes them a man and they should identify with the title of man. So when people say stuff like “men do most of the killing and assault” it appears to be an essentialist statement about the nature of males. It comes across as being attacked for an immutable characteristic. I know that the data is correct but it’s a way of ignoring the root cause of those issues (bad ideals of masculinity) and alienating that group. When people do this with a race leftists are the first to point out intersectionality and other driving factors apart from race. It’s not a direct comparison because I think the motivation is very different but it just isn’t helping anyone.

[@fillershmazman3030]

Thought Slime has a superpower - having the greatest face every time you pause the video

[@AbonZel]

The idea that if you can't get someone on your side by saying "Misogyny is bad," and if they don't get on your side, they're a lost cause ignores the most obvious point that anyone knows if they've talked to conservatives: They already say the same thing. "I don't hate gay/trans/black/Hispanic/Muslim/etc people, I just have some concerns." I know things are a lot more mask off these days, but a lot of conservatives say stuff like this. Yes, their "concerns" are ridiculous, but you can't appeal to them by saying misogyny, racism, etc is bad because they'll agree with you, they'll just disagree with what constitutes those things.

[@JebeckyGranjola]

Sure, if you just SAY It's bad, that won't work. That won't work for anything. You have to show them how it's bad. But this is what I struggle with: How do you convert people who don't axiomatically value doing good for it's own sake? Are those people unreachable? There are lots of people who only value self intrest and they genuinely don't care if something is bad for other people.

[@iz2333]

@@JebeckyGranjola Everybody believes in good, this idea that right wingers are all purposely malicious is just wrong. The vast majority of them have just accepted certain political ideas as inherently in line with their values. You need to find out what these values are and then try to show them how the right failed to live up to them.

[@alansmithee9769]

yeah you've gotta find ways to show them that their concerns aren't justified

[@niluscvp]

@@JebeckyGranjola their direct community/surroundings is how you talk about issues. Old grandma with poor health and financial insecurity alongside it for example is a good gateway to talk about how healthcare should work in the bigger picture. The direct link to them is how you get them to understand because they do care, it just has to be close at home before they see the connections and where you are coming from. Also talk in a style where you respect them regardless of their dumb takes, everyone does some thinking about issues and disrepsect puts people on the defensive because you dismiss them as a person.

[@JebeckyGranjola]

@I Z You're misunderstanding me. Everyone believes in "Good" because they justify that whatever they believe in is what they consider good. Jeff Dahmer thought that eating people was good. I specificaly said, "good for it's own sake." In other words, that helping other people is good. As I said, many people don't believe that. Ever hear of Ayn Rand? She explicitly argued against that. That is the principle belief of Right Libertarianism: that each individual should maxmize thier own gain and owes nothing to anyone else. That is what the majority of Conservatives I know believe, not in Traditionalism. At least that is a crude notion of equality. Traditionalism is arguably worse, it believes there is a natural order where some people are simply better and more deserving than others. Of course they don't think they are evil because thier belief is founded on bad things happening to bad people.

[@ajplays-gamesandmusic4568]

The problem with ignoring the problems of men is that, while wealth doesn't trickle down, shit does. If men are the most privileged and powerful... and even they feel disillusioned... when the "privileged and powerful" feel pushed to their limit, they are in a position to cause the worst chaos (either out of spite, or as an accidental bi-product of them playing out their attempts to solve the problems, as they see them).

[@fifiadan]

Low-key an Andrew Tate point

[@princessjello]

Thoughtslime's arguments are giving "there are kids starving in africa" vibes. I don't really like that.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Maybe because you don't like facts, but Myth, therefore a Rightist.

[@Empyre18]

Ironically, conservatives frequently argue against feminists by turning that very argument around on them. “Why are you complaining about mansplaining or MeToo in western countries when Saudi Arabia exists?” and that sort of thing. More proof that something about this topic makes leftists mutate into right-wingers on this topic at the drop of the hat.

[@vintagenapkin137]

@@nektariosorfanoudakis2270 ^ leftist. Thoughtslime is not using fatcs. Thoughtslime is using facts from a Jordan Peterson clip just tweaked to support their overall and bias opinion about men. "men are more likely to me murdered by men, bullied, work shittier jobs, fight wars, get paid less, ect. just search Jordan Peterson debates feminist in interview. The myths are usually coming from the left. overpopulation, vaccine prevents covid 19, mask work, ect. The guy(Fauci) that said aids was contagious in that 80s is their god

[@witchofskye1961]

ThoughtSlime, more like THOUGHTLESS Slime, amirite

[@asherroodcreel640]

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[@lindstromstone7535]

GOTTEM

[@marthancrowl1674]

Urite.

[@Kropothead]

You are not wrong.

[@FornicateWithRaptors]

Im wide awake and my tummy ouch, thank you varsh for the company

[@newflesh666]

hope your tummy feels better soon

[@MK_ULTRA420]

I hope you live in China

[@Gyati]

I’m praying for your stoumach to get better from you 😭😭🔥🔥☝️☝️🇺🇸🇺🇸🚬🦅🦅☝️

[@JassZoigel]

Stop fornicating with raptors. It's probably a disease vector. No but I hope you feel better

[@electron6825]

Your tummy ouch? Well stop eating chocolate off out of the trashcan

[@xanosghoul]

Why do they look like a deep lore Adams family character

[@asherroodcreel640]

He did chose Mildred

[@glitchedoom]

It's their aesthetic. I honestly enjoy their appreciation for classic horror, too bad about everything else.

[@SpacersChoice]

mildred. nuff said

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Love how tought slime talks like if society don't see him as a man too

[@ericcolbear2373]

If you want to appeal to young straight men for our movement, you remind them that under patriarchy, the societal roles that you play is a wallet with legs. Only men can initiate dating, men must pay the entirety of every date, you're expected to be the breadwinner in the relationship, you're expected to be hyper-competitive in order to make more money, and when the divorce happens, you're expected to be the bank account for the ex and kids. Once you breakdown the idea that their worth in society is just a credit card, all of a sudden it becomes really obvious that Andrew Tait stans are just born bigger wallets telling smaller and empty wallets how the wallet system is good.

[@munchkingod6]

I used to really like Thought Slime and then the more I watched of their content the more I sort of came to hate them. Such consistently smooth brain positions.

[@asherroodcreel640]

The religion one broke me, both Francis fukuyama and dumb

[@alfsmith4936]

Same

[@Kropothead]

Yeah, same. They’ve kinda turned out to be a garbage human being. Like, pretty bad.

[@Molly-jh4kz]

I used to like thought slime and then I interacted with their community. I tried talking about a hijab laws in Muslim theocracies and the burka ban In France. It went poorly.

[@petertruth2724]

I agree, starting to feel the same way about Lance from the Serfs

[@mansnotbot4160]

The boys who bullied Thought Slime in school REALLY did a number on them.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Compared to the Neolibs/Neocons/Neofascists who bullied "Vaush" into becoming part of the ideological apparatus of the (not even Left-wing of) the Democratic Party, this is probably nothing.

[@stagnudemorte9191]

can confirm, i do not wipe my asshole. i am not a peseant. i have a bidet like a real man. the one i bought for my wife even has an airdry function.

[@asherroodcreel640]

How'd you pry her off it?

[@normtrooper4392]

👑

[@dynamicworlds1]

Look, we don't live in a civilized country here. Try not to judge us on the small stuff

[@off6848]

If you have a wife you’re not on the left lol

[@asherroodcreel640]

@@off6848 Had, they got sucked into the toilet

[@cobaltmn5716]

18:50 I don't want you to prioritize my comfort over others. I want you to stop saying that my problems don't matter because other people have it worse.

[@SilverstringsMusings]

Thought Slime has absolutely rancid vibes.

[@agencymenace1090]

Ngl ThoughtSlime really reads as that one wife guy but with smth darker yk? Super soft and dumb on the surface but like a rapist deep down.

[@Madgod52]

Hence the name, most likely

[@oolacilesbotnet6564]

Poppy vibes

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@oolacilesbotnet6564 Oh hey, you're back!

[@oolacilesbotnet6564]

@@sluttyMapleSyrup I'm still around just I'm usually banned everywhere so I gotta use a VPN to get around the bans

[@LimeyLassen]

Is TS goin through it or what, they look kinda rough

[@DavySolaris]

mildo's just one of those people who is *always* going through it

[@iz2333]

Just an overall miserable person

[@doovstoover9703]

I can't tell from the lighting if it's an ill-advised makeup choice or if they just haven't slept in a week

[@Fly1nghotpocket]

if it wasn't for leftists taking seriously the issues and insecurities faced by men, I would not have accepted that I'm trans. It's not that I wanted more than I deserved, it's that I just needed the groundwork to actually feel okay and be comfortable with my femininity/womanhood, the only thing I'd ever known was toxic masculinity. nobody ever took these things seriously and i only ever felt talked down to in leftist spaces. It wasn't till I came out/started presenting femme that anyone actually cared and that still stings 3 years into transition. I don't want to come off as though I'm dickriding vaush, but he seemed to be the only one who really cared enough to say like "yeah it's okay to be femme, it's okay to cry, he's what you're doing that's weird and creepy and I'm not gonna take a shitty tone about it" in a way that encouraged self reflection over shame. just my own perspective.

[@cloakedwanderer4283]

This is so frustrating. I remember around 2016 when anti-feminism became popular that some KZbinrs were making the argument that men couldn’t be privileged considering that the vast majority of victims of workplace accidents and deaths of despair were men. They therefore concluded that feminism was wrong. That was the perfect opportunity to make the counter-argument that in fact, feminism wasn’t wrong but that the current socio-economic system hurts both women AND men (especially working class men). Unfortunately few made that argument back then and it seems like not much has changed since then.

[@JonathanMandrake]

Yeah, problem is that both the terminology and some activists make it incredibly easy to make "Feminism hurts Men" believable. Feminism being about the equality of different sexes and genders isn't really clear from the name, and a lot of the vocal Feminists promote that idea that Feminism only cares about Women or something similar. The Patriarchy is also not very tangible, so them wanting to destroy it can easily be shifted to them wanting to make it harder for men and that all men are to blame etc. Most Men have no real power, the only thing they can change is how they treat women in their day to day life, and when you're doing everything right in that regard, a lot of Feminist messaging can be very hurtful because it's simply unfounded and unfair. Additionally, there's certainly a number of problems men have that deserve more attention, and even with the attention we get, it's often still blamed on us, for example toxic masculinity. The resulting public image really isn't great from a male point of view, and it can easily feel like "Feminism cares about male problems too" is said without really meaning it. If we want to win over men, we need to show them that these problems they experience are problems Feminism can solve, we need to actually start solving some of those problems and we need to view men much more positive. We also need to be more willing to condemn double standards that harm men, be it on social media or in movies. Any teacher having sex with a student should be treated equally bad, yet female teachers are treated much better at least when it comes to how they are publicly discussed. Men being unfairly stereotyped and the like are still a massive problem in the film industry, Wonder Women 1984 being one of the more egregious examples, yet there isn't all that much public condemnation from the left. Sorry for the rambling, but I'm really annoyed

[@hollytastic]

Men in the medical world definitely do have assumed competency that women don’t have when it comes to older populations. It’s not as bad with younger patients, but downright terrible with the elderly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had an elderly person assume that my male colleagues are doctors while I must be the nurse (when we are both nurses).

[@Bleilock1]

Od much rather have a male surgeon compared to female one Unless that one female surgeo is onown to be good

[@fruitygarlic3601]

@@Bleilock1 Are you worried the female surgeon will look at your body in a weird way? They're both surgeons, and so have to meet equally strict requirements for operating on people. Do you think: regular woman < regular man = unusually good woman? It's not just sexist, it's also an unreasonable and impractical opinion to have. You must take whatever surgeon can treat you.

[@Bleilock1]

@@fruitygarlic3601 im worried she will collapse out of exhaustion during the proceedure Women are physically weaker Its very common in medicine practice Women themselves avoid being surgeons because they know its too hard for them Does that make you insecure/hurt your ego?

[@timesup4200]

@@Bleilock1 I wouldn't let a problem that only affects a small number of medical students influence my judgement too much but that might just be me

[@Bleilock1]

@allergy5634 to become a surgeon* Exactly Thats why there isnt a lot of women in that field They have hard time handling it (men too, but we are mkre physically resilient)

[@mistyhaney5565]

This is why I avoid left social media. What are you trying to accomplish by attacking allies? This is how we lose; by eating our own. I don't get what you are actually trying to achieve, convincing someone that prejudice is fundamentally wrong, or convincing those who are being discriminated against to behave in a way to make those who are prejudiced more comfortable.

[@Theendgamelv3]

Appropriate make up for this take lol. Yes men, especially white men have more privilege. No one denies this, but to never try to reach out to them or young boys is dumb. You NEED a tent pole. You need to move over as many men as possible to your position. Uplifting men isn't making them more powerful, it's to make them feel better about themselves. Last time I checked, men are human too and have issues. Talking about said issues does not take away issues from other groups. Cast a ton of men aside, where are they gonna go to, the other side politically. MLK got a lot done as Vaush pointed out by also trying to appeal to white people. You need the political power of the majority. People like Thoughtslime push some to the right and he doesn't care. He would go "No loss here" cause he believes those people are loss causes. This is why Anti-SJW content was big and is growing again.

[@cjohnson3836]

The left is horrible about this. Literally zero comprehension of political strategy. Probably because most sit on twitter all day rather than actually working on local political campaigns. We can find any number of examples. "If you're white you don't have an opinion". "If you don't have a uterus you don't have a say in abortion". While it is easily understandable the frustration and anger leading to those types of statements, they're also fucktastically stupid. Because 49.3% of the US population is male, and males can vote, males absolutely do have a legally protected opinion on all the issues. Like it or not.

[@bratdfortd]

They act like they're debating a 65 year old white pensioner when they're actually debating a bunch of depressed 23 year olds

[@harrydresden4661]

"Often to not men" but the majority of victims at the hands of male agression are other men.

[@HirokuDev]

Finally someone said this. I'd watched TS's video when it came out and I had to take a break after he said that. This isn't something he's ignorant of, he's just being extremely intellectually dishonest here.

[@JebeckyGranjola]

@Hiroku Dev Probably. But it is true that women are generally victims of men moreso than the other way around. I've often heard MRAs argue that men are more often the victims of violence on the whole, and that is true but it's weird to frame that as oppression of men. Oppression of men by men?

[@aliichi]

@@JebeckyGranjola This is a big reason why so many of us are tentative about supporting this. Already we see guys taking this advocacy and making it out that they are the biggest victims of us all. STILL.

[@HirokuDev]

@@JebeckyGranjola That's Vaush's whole point though. It's not "well men were the true victims all along" MRA bullshit, and it's not "men are pure winners in this system" Mildred bullshit, it's that the patriarchy is oppressing women, and it's oppressing men. Male culture says processing your emotions openly is wrong, but processing them with violence is good. It wasn't women that decided that, it was men. How is that not men oppressing men? Why is that controversial? It's in everyone's best interests to create equality, because this system fucks all of us. Women especially, absolutely, but still all of us.

[@harrydresden4661]

@@JebeckyGranjola I think there is a term for that but i am a non native english speaker so im not sure what it is. Its when a black guy supports a super racist conservative. Self inflicted racism? Internalized racism? Something like that. Just with sexism? Or maybe misandrism? I dunno. But globally, especially if you take wars into consideration, male on male violence is far greater than male on female violence. The lowest is female on male violence but this does happen as I had to find out the hard way.

[@motionpictures6629]

The French Revolution would never have started without the support of Marie-Joseph Motier, Marquis de La Fayette and Louis-Philippe II. Joseph de Bourbon, duc d’Orléans, the second and third-richest people in France, both in support of the revolution.

[@normtrooper4392]

No revolution can succeed without some buy in from the people with power. That's because powerless people can generally not change anything about their society

[@nackskott12]

The French revolution is a really good case study of how revolutions function, the more I learn about it the more I realize that a lot of lefties don't actually understand revolution. There's what you pointed out, the fact that members of the privileged classes are needed to get necessary political power, but there's also the fact that most revolutions are only a step towards a better system. Immediately after the revolution with the executions, coups, and then the appointment of Napleon as emperor, people who lived through that period probably thought the revolution was pointless. They swapped out one set of tyrants for another. It wasn't until like 3 generations later that France actually managed to achieve some form of long-lasting democracy, and it couldn't have happened without the revolution having occurred. A lot of lefties talk about revolution as if it's a way to skip straight to socialism but thats so unrealistic, it's never happened and will never happen that way. It takes generations of reform afterwards to fully shirk the old system.

[@normtrooper4392]

@°𝔫𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔰𝔨𝔬𝔱𝔱° the road to a better tomorrow is extremely bumpy. If you think about the number of times the French Republic crashed only to rise again, it's something of a miracle that a republic even existed

[@owabowa]

That's because the French Revolution wasn't about getting rid of hierarchical systems on the basis of power, status, wealth, and so on. It was on the basis of giving rise to new forms of classes because the old feudal system was on it's last legs. Many of the upper classes had no problem with the revolution, as long as they could keep their power and status, albeit in a new system.

[@tonywoutrs]

When will they learn that Intersectionality doesn't mean essentializing entire demographics. Guys with low self esteem and social ineptitude don't care about how they potentially could outcompete other groups if they weren't socially inept. Who wouldn't sacrifice that in exchange for a healthier and purposeful life.

[@freakishuproar1168]

As a leftwing person, it never ceases to amaze me how my fellow leftists can simultaneously hit the nail on the proverbial head AND YET present that as a snarky faithless criticism, archly citing it as if it were something we shouldn't do. When Thought Slime said that appealing to cishet men would be like if we [the left] tried to appeal to billionaires, and Vaush immediately and unironially answered "yes". Thought Slime represents everything that is wrong with leftwing politics, in that he's both absolutely right and wrong at the same time. He seems to understand what'd it'd take to oust the right, but internally rejects those solutions for weird partisan reasons.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Cishet men aren't being oppressed by toxic Feminism or Matriarchy, nope, still wrong. If you allow yourself to be bullied by the Right into submission over and over, you are effectively no longer Left-Wing from some point onward. "Vaush" isn't at all a Left-Winger anymore, and that's not "gatekeeping" but Scientific Fact. Not being an open Nazi, but something of a "reasonable" Bushite/Clintonite/Reaganite instead, isn't "Leftism".

[@MrGksarathy]

There was a time I liked Thought Slime, and people I still like like them, but his behavior with regards to Xanderhal and this shit made me drop them a while ago. A shame, because I did like their style of content.

[@cjaymeme]

Their content was generally pretty good from what I saw, and then they just sort of... went off this Twitter deepend. They've fully returned to the Tumblr SJW stereotype that people dunked on 7 years ago and it's very worrying. It doesn't help that they have every prime trait for some troll to make fun of. It's like they were grown in a lab to be the punching bag of a 2016 skeptic channel.

[@jacobnoelle8428]

@@yotubeification respecting their pronoun but not their position.

[@karenholmes6565]

They are a dishonest turd. It is really hard for me to accept people with a white savior complex into my political circle. And that is what they have, a white savior complex.

[@MrGksarathy]

@@yotubeification Yeah, I tried to edit my comment but didn't catch all the wrong pronouns.

[@sewasify]

@@yotubeification TS is any/all

[@cosmiccynic2757]

I'm tired of gender issues being discussed in an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy. The dynamic between the sexes in western democracies is more complicated than that. True, men undeniably have some privileges, but they are also more likely to face some problems.

[@JL-jz3]

I can name like 5 men who, in 2023, have been outted as awful specifically towards women. The Andrew Tate sex trafficking thing happened, Justin Roiland is probably going to jail, and all that shit with that one streamer and the porn deepfakes... it's just one after the other and it gets exhausting to hear about these things as a woman. Yes, not all men - I know so many amazing grown males who are excellent people and respectful of women - but all these other people coming out as dipshits is just tedious.

[@JassZoigel]

And women have the privilege to physically abuse men and boys

[@NatsumiTakanawa]

I also really dislike how it's too taboo to acknowledge that we as women have certain social privileges under patriarchy, as long as we give up our individual freedoms. There's a lot of ways in which toxic masculinity puts men in physical danger that we as women often don't understand what its like to be in. Many who believe in patriarchal systems (men and women) that uphold cis/heteronormativity will say things like "you should never put hands on a woman" etc. It's very common in a mysoginist society to find people who normally would hate "women beaters". Society just isn't taught to think about gender outside of our pre-determined roles. It's called benevolent sexism.

[@asmodiusjones9563]

@@NatsumiTakanawa this is true but I don’t understand why people make a bigger point the fact that women sometimes abuse men. It’s such a false dichotomy (yeah men abuse women, but what about when women abuse men!???). As a man, under toxic masculinity, I am far more likely to be physically attacked by *other men* than I am a women. Like yeah, when women abuse men it’s bad, but by far other men are the greatest threat. It’s actually absurd to talk about it in gendered terms - there are dangerous people and not dangerous people, their sex matters little.

[@Bleilock1]

@@JL-jz3 wow, only 5? 5 men is a systemic problem for you guys? There is 4 bilion men in the world and you take 5 men to vbe proof of anything

[@alex_blue5802]

You don't have to be a member of an oppressed group to recognize injustice and want to fight it. It's called empathy.

[@Applemangh]

I think the point Thought Slime was going for is just that some people really like feeling like they're higher than others on some sort of hierarchy. In fact, some people put "being above others" over their own personal levels of success. So I can tell a man "with feminism, you're life will actually be slightly better, but you won't be able to look down on women", then SOME of those men wouldn't take that deal.

[@tinoesroho]

Bingo. For a significant portion of people, the entire joy of life is grinding a bootheel into the face of someone lower on the ladder. Current property-owners, voting in anti-housing city councils. Cheapskate bosses, underpaying minions to the point the minions can no longer purchase from their employers. Degree-holders, voting to further increase the cost of education for future students.

[@rowanwilliams1548]

I think thought slime is one of those people.

[@alimario6294]

I swear people like Thoughtslime are going to cause a repeat of 2015-2016, and based on current events there's going to be a bloodbath if these guys continue to be a problem.

[@AP-ym1lo]

I am at least optimistic that it might be better. Unlike before, there is actually a relatively viable left space that is opposed to people like Thoughtslime.

[@TheHeartlessFour]

It's ok! They kept the left as pure, and niche a possible. So they march onto the train car with a clear conscious, and their virtue intact!

[@Bnio]

I've had thoughts like this recently too. As in, people are getting a little too confident that the current lull in political ructions is here to stay and it's open season for pointless bike-shedding issues.

[@emilchan5379]

I fear this too. It is like the left hasn't learnt anything from 2015 and the GamerGate era.

[@Eibarwoman]

@@AP-ym1lo I'm not confident the internal opposition even if larger is prolific enough to counter the right-wing propaganda machine. It might be time for an internal purge of people like Thoughtless.

[@JoseSerrato0420]

6:26 Ah, yes, remember Civil Rights when MLK said "We don't want the whities on our side." Or when Susan B. Anthony said "Umm, we don't want men on our side of suffragettes. We'll have all the women vote for the right for women's right to vote and because those women voted they then...didn't count because our votes weren't valid...dammit, back to the start. "

[@Stratocasterlaserblaster]

Why do people do bad makeup on purpose

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

In all seriousness it's pretty obvious, psychologically. This person looks like a hippopotamus. Some people who are far from conventionally physically attractive and _not_ at peace will that will intentionally make themselves look ridiculous, as if to say, "Oh yeah, well I don't even _want_ to be attractive. How 'bout that?". It's pitifully juvenile, like everything this person does.

[@sub-harmonik]

bc punk rock

[@6MillionPesoMan]

Just because it doesn't conform to your beauty standards doesn't mean it's bad.

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

@@6MillionPesoMan nah its bad

[@Gyati]

@@6MillionPesoMan objectively it’s not good makeup

[@SS-xr7jf]

Ah, thoughtslime with his amazing take of “we should gatekeep ‘cause men suck”

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Your name says it all, what does a Nazi is even doing here, are you lost? Oh, wait, Vaush fan, of course.

[@Theguy493]

Thoughtslime and his orbiters might genuinely be the dumbest people I have seen in the online left.

[@8ahau279]

I don't know. Caleb Maupin is at least equally dumb.

[@bluefungi]

Wait til you hear about flat earthers man. You think political junkies are dumb? They are sure but, just wait til you find about conspiracy theorist. They make political junkies of both the left and right look like intelligent people. The internet is a fun place trust me, you haven't seen dumb yet sir. This rabbit hole goes deep. People get dumber the more you explore the weird spaces of the internet.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Nah, Haz, Caleb Maupin, and Jimmy Dore and their orbiters are worse in *my* book.

[@whym6438]

It's not that they're stupid, it's that their parasocial hatred for "debate bros" (i.e. anyone who doesn't shun Vaush) has smoothed their brains. Sophie From Mars especially makes me sad, she made some really great videos and had the potential to make even more of them.

[@Kropothead]

I dunno, man. Professor Flowers stans are a thing.

[@SolracDude]

I got into the left because I was under the impression that this was the side actually concerned with helping people while the right just wanted to throw there hands in the air and say "not my problem". To see so many left wing people parrot the exact same response when confronted with the idea of helping young men has been very disheartening. What ever happened to feminism being good for men too? What every happened to explaining the nuances of bigotry and how doing something sexist doesn't inheritably make you a sexist person? What ever happened to empathy? It genuinely just comes off as people being happy with their socialist bubbles so rather than try to actually expand it to better people's lives they've confined themselves to preaching to the choir.

[@stevenguitink5947]

In my experience, there have always been these people and issues. Feminism like it or not, has been heavily politicized across the board and the unfortunate side effect is that those politics have shaped how its utilized. It's not a monolith under one banner.

[@aceshigh1984]

Rhetoric like this was what pushed me towards right wing rabbitholes back when i was just a teen. I was alone and confused, terminally online and hearing the "men are bad and don't get to be in our special little club" bit made me resent anything progressive. From reading comments on Vowsh's channel, i know for a fact im not the only guy who changed his worldview and managed to educate himself **because** people on the left were reaching out and being welcoming. Talking down and being condescending to men, especially young men can do so much damage and lead them to figures like Tate or Peterson, who use male empowerment talking points to lure you in

[@smirkury2462]

Sorry but he really isn't really calling for the left to neglect men, moreso that any privileged group is often disincentivised to to agree to change since that would mean getting rid of the system that benefits them. I'm not the biggest leftist nor a major fan of thought slime, but misrepresenting someone else's arguments like this just makes you look like a grifter looking to rile up an impressionable fan base.

[@BLZ231]

But the thing is, the current system doesn’t benefit the vast majority of men. The current system still perpetuates toxic standards of masculinity that actively constrict and harm men, and at the same time wages remain stunted while the costs of living have skyrocketed. The only thing that most men would have to give up if the system was dismantled is an irrational reverence for tradition, and I think many of them would be more than happy to do so. The only men who might actually lose something are the handful of men in positions of power like billionaires and religious leaders who didn’t actually do anything to deserve their power. The way TS and a lot of leftists talk about men you’d think that men are a monolith and that all of them are just as privileged as Elon Musk, which ignores the obvious fact that the vast vast majority of white men have no real power, and the difference between them and people from marginalized groups in terms of privilege and influence is negligible.

[@termint2113]

​@@BLZ231Every single man benefits immensely from patriarchy and anyone who pretends they don't is a conservative or clinically insane

[@tonivihermaki898]

I love you man! Finally someone gave me hope for humanity!

[@tverdyznaqs]

Ohhh, I remember that bit, it was The Thing that made me finally unsubscribe from their channel. Hope they realize how counterproductive their whole attitude towards politics is at some point in the future, but imma be honest, it doesn't seem likely and that makes me sad.

[@LimeyLassen]

People will become youtubers instead of going to therapy

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

I really want to know when this became the mainstream view of feminism. I thought we got past this with the new wave? The idea that men had to lose something? Growing up, I always heard that feminism was meant to improve men's lives too by removing the stresses put on them by default and allowing them to emotionally reach out and embrace things that they couldn't without it. Maybe that's shifted because this form is easier to fight against, so it's kind of an attempt to undermine it from the inside? Idk. It's just strange hearing these talking points that just feel like they are taken directly from an anti-feminism argument back a few years ago. I don't understand when this shift happened but I hate it.

[@verager2493]

Ya, I was told how sexism against women also hurts men around the 2016 era, and I wasn't diving deep into scholarly subjects on it. Some feminists in a forum talked about it, and were pretty chill about it. This was contrasted against MRAs, who could articulate some of the problems, but only feminists knew where those problems came from, while the MRAs had a disturbing tendency to just lapse into calling women harpies who want to enslave you by stealing your sperm. I picked my side pretty quick. A lot of people never had intersectionality defined for them, and it's really starting to show. They've been conditioned to say it "isn't oppression olympics", and it isn't, but then people in the Thought Slime/Sophie/Muel bubble will go on to describe oppression olympics and say it's intersectional. Maybe if they ever had a discussion with anyone not in their hugbox, they could be informed about what it really is.

[@digaddog6099]

Feminism to help men has been an idea for quite some time, but it was mostly hypothetical. A lot of the time previously, when feminists helped men, it was something of a 4d chess play to help women later, as portrayed by other feminists. So a lot of the feminists who helped men didn't actually care, and a lot of the feminists who didn't want to help men got a free ride. The feminists who did want to help men wouldn't be able to know the other types of people exist at all, or how prevalent they were.

[@officechairpotato]

@@verager2493 You were told that by people who never really believed it and now they're more confident in their position they've moved back to the position they always held and only shifted away from in order to gaslight people into opposing the mens rights movement and seeing it as unnecessary. You were duped. It was never and has never been about equality.

[@verager2493]

@@officechairpotato no, still believe what they did before, actually. That's kind of the problem with taking your political positions from things that aren't real. Some people are actually real and don't fit in your boxes

[@officechairpotato]

​@@verager2493 You might believe it, but they never did. You and others like you are functionally just providing cover for a hate movement. You've said something akin to "No I really am alt-right. I really do believe in patriotism and loving your people. I don't understand when my movement got like this.". It was always like this, you were just fooled, and you're not really alt-right. Neither the people with actual influence in that movement, nor the victims and targets of that movement think so. Only you do, and its arrogant and self-absorbed to not believe those people. This is especially problematic when you consider that by using the rhetoric and identifying markers of a hate movement directed at men, it makes it functionally impossible for your goals to be achieved. Imagine a group of people sincerely dedicated to racial equality walking around waving confederate flags and klan costumes and wondering why black people don't trust them and don't believe a word they say and shocker, don't want to talk to them and instead form their own movement hostile to yours that looks at you all in your klan suits, shrugs, and says "Kill em all and let god sort em out.". It is functionally safer for men to just decide you are all sexists because some of you are wilfully malicious misandrists, and the others are "Doing sexism" by identifying with that group. Functionally the decision to treat all feminists as basketcase write offs fulfills a purpose. It weeds out both the evil, and in addition to those, the stupid and arrogant. If you genuinely respected men, you would not identify as a feminist. If you genuinely wanted their input and to listen to their experiences and insights into sexism and wanted to incorporate their views into your own, you would not identify as a feminist. Because by doing so you are preventing that from occuring at anything resembling an equal rate to the amount of exposure to womens views you will get. Men *are not going to talk to you so long as you are wearing a klan uniform. They are not going to trust you.* AND it is wildly deranged for you to say "You should trust us though" when you aready know that you're effectively asking them to put themselves in proximity to people who hate them. By trusting "Some feminists aren't bad" and not immediately writing you off, you're asking them to put themselves at risk of ones who are and be subjected to their abuse. That is a completely unreasonable request to make of men, it is selfish and unempathetic to their situation. It is far more reasonable to ask you to stop dressing like a klansman if you want people to trust you. Your identification with this movement is a roadblock to equality. If you cared more about equality than attempting to save the reputation of a shitty hate movement, you wouldn't be a feminist. But you don't. You care about being a feminist and pretending like it isn't a total write-off.

[@laurapills]

Thoughtless slime

[@TheSpeep]

I do think there is a level of power at which it is acceptable to start "discriminating" against powered groups, but to do it to borderline half the population for something they both dont get a choice in and cant change is both insane strategically and morally unacceptable. Like, take some stuff away from billionaires and people in high positions of power, like say a senator, yeah, sure. Give them the choice; you can have this level of power, but it means youll have to give up abc or follow rules xyz in order to prevent you from abusing said power. You can always free yourself from those limits and rules, by giving up your position of power with it, its a choice, its a tradeoff, checks and balances. But thats not what this is, is it now?

[@cheintze1]

I remember when Thought Slime apologized for saying the word "lunatic", since "lunacy" in ancient times was associated with epilepsy and bipolar disorder and he didn't want to offend anyone with those conditions. That's when I stopped watching Thought Slime. Such a sanctimonious wuss.

[@robmccarty755]

no, no, he never did anything like that! ...it was "nanners"

[@NatsumiTakanawa]

And the same wokescolds who fixate on things like that in the name of being "nice" are the same people you see on Twitter telling people they disagree with to KTS and threatening violence. 🤦🏽‍♀️ Totally performative.

[@inigo137]

"men have all the power and money" • Men are 3 times as likely to be homeless Lol

[@leftist54]

Ikr that's like saying "white people have all the power and money" when a lot of white people are not Jeff Bezos

[@leftist54]

If TS said "white people have all the power and money" would you also disagree

[@leftist54]

Are u anti feminist

[@inigo137]

@@leftist54 Y E S 1. It completely depends on the country 2. The fact that the 1% in mostly white countries are also white doesnt magically make the other 99% rich, its just rich dipshits existing.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Ah, kids these days. One of the points that the second-wave feminists made, which Thoughtslime stated in his video but Vaush skipped over, is that patriarchy puts men at the top of power structures but also necessarily oppresses men further down the power ladder- e.g. if men are valued as providers then a man who cannot provide is not valued, so if a guy gets 'downsized' or a veteran has ptsd they're regarded as failing, and their self-image goes down, and that can put them onto a downward spiral to homelessness. And because men are 'supposed to be providers' there're fewer social support resources made available to them, because they're 'supposed to be providing not taking'.

[@subroy7123]

I'm glad Shaun's video on Andrew Tate shut down ThoughtSlime's argument about patriarchy and men and how it "suits them".

[@melodysdanceoff]

I am convinced Thought Slime is a conservative psi op.

[@ActuallySatan]

The entire Red Planet crowd is a conservative psi-op.

[@melodysdanceoff]

@Cait Bi DJ Muel is an outright groomer so it wouldn't surprise me if his friends were also in on it.

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@BigOwl51 Which is so frustrating because Sophie's done some great media analyses, particularly her video on the Matrix and its sequels.

[@hand13932]

seems genuine i dont think everyone is a psyop simply if / when they have a bad take

[@melodysdanceoff]

@gonk that's not a bad take. That's an outright idiotic take. Thought Slime is harmful to the entire left with the toxic views they share.

[@consistentlystupid4726]

I can't understand why Vaush is so intent on saying "Men won't lose anything." He asked what they'd lose materially, but it's nothing material they lose. They lose the soft power they have over women, specifically social power. As women gain more social power, men lose the social power advantage they have over them. While men don't lose the overall power they have, they lose the power they have OVER the people gaining power. And while that is absolutely a good thing, it's disingenuous to pretend that there's no perception of loss there, or that people are wrong for noticing that perception and pointing it out. Vaush is absolutely correct though, that we need to still reach out to those people with that perception and not just write them off as "too far gone" like Thought Slime seems to be saying here.

[@Cyberspine]

As a guy, I have never felt that I have some inherent social power over other people.

[@lunarrobot9714]

@@Cyberspine That's what makes this problem so difficult to fix. You don't HAVE to feel it. The ones you have power over however do. Unfortunately, they see you as being aware of that fact, even if you aren't. So often men are treated as if they are indulging in the imbalance of the system on purpose. Which some definitely are, but I don't believe that applies to most. Hence the hostility, due them expecting you to invalidate their struggles due to them thinking you don't care, or more likely don't notice. Which is what makes it hard for them to sympathize with YOUR struggles when you express them. Your struggles are likely very real, but you unfortunately resemble and benefit from the system that causes theirs. Unintentionally or not. Edit: Long story short, you do have inherent privilege over others. But that by no means means that your life is perfect or you have no hardships. And it certain doesn't make you a bad person by default.

[@alansmithee9769]

the thing is though that yeah social scripts have already begun changing. They've been changing since the suffragettes. The problem is that society has lagged behind in creating a script for how men should be good men beyond a bunch of "don't" statements. A lot of guys aren't looking for "don't" statements but "Do" statements

[@Cyberspine]

@@lunarrobot9714 Can you please provide an example of how that would apply in practice, or a resource where I can read more about the subject?

[@lunarrobot9714]

@@Cyberspine Could you please be more specific? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for. Are you asking what you should do if someone tells you that you have privilege? Or something else?

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

I think that the main thing about Feminism is that women's presumed weakness gives them a lot of social power. Like, you said that women graduate more often than men from college, and in my experience that's because the professors are far more likely to help a woman struggling in class than a man. Like, I've seen male and female professors tell the big strong men asking for help to just work harder, but they drop everything to help the weak little girl in class who's struggling. I think that's a big part of why these people can't spread their message without a big bad villain they need to defeat. The fact that women are still seen as weak victims that need brave knights to fight for them is simultaneously why Feminism dominates the conversation, yet also why Feminists will never allow themselves to 'win'. Honestly, if you want to win it's actually really easy to do. Just stop attacking men for complaining about Star Wars and Marvel movies. They complain about the movies regardless, and assuming it's entirely because of new female leads just makes them resent the Left because they feel invalidated for their opinions on the escapist media that they like. It feels like you're refusing to interact with them on their level, which gives the anti-feminists a big opportunity to speak to them on that level and makes them more receptive to those ideas. It might seem stupid to the left, but, try talking more about pop culture. Try creating inviting communities where you discuss left-wing shows in a way that welcomes men and encourages them to get involved with discussions. Instead of telling men that Steven Universe is great because of representation, make your own five-hour video essays on why the plot is amazing and the community would gladly welcome them, then post links to fanpages where they can write fanfictions or submit their own fanart and get validation. It'd probably be more effective than "This is why men are BAD for not liking Ms. Marvel. Stop being bad!"

[@jermu-p5e]

Why are u anti-feminist

[@tumage8592]

​@@jermu-p5ehes not antifeminist when hes for equality. He just didnt defferentiated between social Media"feminism" and real feminism

[@amandamotekaityte5681]

I am a graphic designer and as I was in university we where making video project for "visual sociology" we had topic black and white and I decided to cover woman man dinamics in the face of patriarchy. One of the people on the list of the interviews I wanted to take was director of local woman crysis center.... Her secretary asked me few questions about my project and lead me on to think that interview gonna happen. However when we started talking the moment I told her talk I talk about men as well as woman, to show that everyone suffers from the patriarchy... She started screaming at me so much, for like 5minutes straight, bcuz I am betraying woman and justify sympathy for abuse ( I haven't said anything along those lines) said that my number is banned from woman's crysis center and continued screaming untill I broke down crying (actually mostly out of desperation bcuz of how many people refused to talk to me except like Men's rights activists).....

[@khan507]

I'm sorry you went through that :/ *HUGS*

[@janabanana3977]

I‘ve been thinking about this „incongruity“ of opinions for a long time now, and what it most reminds me of is my experience in group therapy sessions with groups of people with very different experiences and therefore disorders (better: different perception and expectations of their social environments). TLDR: I believe that we need diversity of tactics on the left, and that Vaush-type as well as Thoughtslime-type rhetoric have a place in the left, appealing to and providing solace/comfort/confirmation in their changing views to different people, in different stages of their development of political views. Long story: The same therapist’s instruction to „be more persistent in one’s right to make their voice heard“ will sound very different to a narcissist than an abuse survivor. Both, of course, deserve to have their needs met. The narcissist is suffering because they think they should receive more attention than their surroundings are giving them, feeling like everyone else is the problem, and the instructions will sound like an affirmation of their disorder („yes, I actually do deserve more attention, everyone else is wronging me by not giving me more attention, my disorder is actually the voice of reason“). The abuse/neglect survivor meanwhile is the one, who „needs to hear“ this - or better: can more directly apply this instruction, by challenging their disorder‘s impulse of „I don‘t deserve to have my voice heard/needs met“. Similarly, people who have less power in society will have a different process of „radicalization towards left-wing political views“ than people who may HAVE more power, but may also not PERCEIVE it that way.

[@andrewhaxton1076]

"we should reach out to the men who we can and not the ones we can't" - super in depth commentary

[@Dloin]

At this point I believe people like Thought Slime don't even know what's intersections even are. When ever they talk about men and appealing to men it's always only the "white, straight, able-bodied Billionaire" and never the disabled or black or gay guy that struggles with the expectation to be the provider for a family he maybe doesn't even want. Sure, it's nice that society gives him all these privileges to get him into that role but it's not something he wants. So why still treat him that way? Or treat him like it's the easiest shit to get there?

[@MetatronsRevenge613]

We need to help everyone

[@gSWG3R]

Toxic Thought Slime with the L again.

[@eXcommunicate1979]

Vish sliding into my notifs with an all-too-common W.

[@DabDabGoose]

In a democracy if your ideas don't appeal to enough people you lose, thats not to say you should always appeal to the common interest but atleast have them in the ballpark so any movement to your direction is possible.

[@radiofloyd2359]

You should frame your interests in a way that is appealing to the common person

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

@@radiofloyd2359 exactly!

[@DabDabGoose]

@@radiofloyd2359 if your in the ballpark your still in the game, if your not even at the game what is the point. That's what it feels like with some of the left, they are hyper focused on what they want without any frame work for how it could even happen.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

In a Democracy where Right-Wingers-with-Benefits get half the votes, and Pretty-Much-Open-Fascists get the other half, what even is "Democracy" anymore? You might as well argue that *ANY* left-wing values are "undemocratic" under this context, since apparently that's not what the people want, right? According to the same "Logic", Absolute Monarchy lasting for Millenia was "Democratic", since nobody ever complained (and the small minority that did were fed to Giant Felines in a very public way, or burnt alive, had their noses chopped off, had hot iron poured on their eyeballs etc. etc.), until the French Revolution. You need to have educated citizens to have even a functioning Republic, let's not get started with what you need for Socialism, and if the people have willingly become stupid enough to support politics that massively disenfranchise them, at the expense of dominating a fellow "Prole" that has it *kinda worse*, then it's those very same people's fault, and nobody can stop this backwards step, at all. Western society, is a society of "House" Wage Slaves, of course they'll lean Right-wing, wtf do you want, a "Left-Wing" that is Right-Wing? Like "National Socialism"?🤣

[@asherroodcreel640]

That's nanners

[@MoonshineH]

Every time I see a ThoughtSlime video I feel like they’ve cornered me at a party and are trying to cringe me to death.

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

Oh, is that what "Cringe Corner" alludes to?

[@trianglemoebius]

@@nektariosorfanoudakis2270 In case you're genuinely asking: No. A tactic when dealing with kids who'd act up is to send them to the "anger corner", an isolated place where they could let all their anger out without hurting anyone. Then, when they've let it all out and calmed down, you speak with them productively and hopefully get somewhere. The "cringe corner" is saying "go be cringe somewhere where the rest of us don't have to deal with it, you can come back and re-join the conversation when you've gotten your head together."

[@brianfinlay756]

Thought slime would make fun of the guys who don't want woman in their TV shows. Then he takes the same attitude when it comes to men in his political movement.

[@Badartist888]

When doing a gender studies assignment in an elective at university I basically did an assignment about how feminism and equality benefits men. From happiness to more and better sex societies with more equality and women's rights are just plain better for men. Like take a random guy from a Nordic country and compare his general happiness level from some guy living under Sharia law it's not even close. Yes you could make the counter argument about other factors including economics but they can all be countered. Anyway the left making appeals to men benefiting from a more equal society should be a no brainer but for some reason it isn't.

[@__RD14533]

TS has only gotten worse over the years

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

@Catman Xanderhal is scum of the Earth tier, like Voosh.

[@Aliasfakename123]

I really wish we could drop this discourse because the well was poisoned from the get go. It's been wildly unproductive

[@MarioGonzalez-di9fn]

sometimes been a leftist as a straight man its hard. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells all the time, and no one gives me the benefit of the doubt or likes to hear what I got to say.

[@quantum_beeb]

The funniest part about all of these online Talking Heads is that they actually think that they are on the left. All of them do, and all the rooms think they are too.

[@Cyberpsychos_Dirge]

Never thought Id agree with a vaush take. Interesting day

[@SimplehumanMale-ue5iq]

So you agree with a misogynist erasing woman by calling them a non man smh

[@Cyberpsychos_Dirge]

Never thought id see Vaush labeled a misogynist@@SimplehumanMale-ue5iq

[@PoppyDiabolique]

Today I learned that thought slime is an authoritarian. By saying you don't want men on our side, you are hurting our chances of winning electorally. So either you don't care about the cause or you want to take over with force we don't have. Did I get that right?

[@joanmoriarity8738]

I watched the video and I can't remember them saying "I don't want men on our side." I seem to recall them saying something along the lines of "I don't want assholes on our side," but if you conflate all men with assholes, that's kind of on you.

[@wendylafolle]

Since he said he wants to take stuff away, my guess on that is yes. Probably loves Stalin. I haven't watched Thoughtslimes content before.

[@Badbufon]

it's even easier to point that out: let's say there are 6 million men in the manosphere. thought slime don't see those men as valid human beings so he would have to dispose of those 6 million men to fulfill his ideal worldview, who other group did the same not too long ago? i won't say that he would take over by force, those wokescolds only care about gatekeeping and harassing others, but morally, even if he calls himself an anarchist is pretty damn fashy

[@cjohnson3836]

I got news for you, a whole lot of people in America on either side of the political spectrum are authoritarian. Its the inevitable outcome in a country with only 2 viable parties and a power structure that favors only 1 dominant strategy (oppress your political opposition). Its only going to get worse as the parties have reached essential voter parity. American politics has made authoritarianism an evolutionary stable strategy.

[@Bleilock1]

"Take over with force we dont have because we pushed all the men away from us, and they are usually people who get the sht done"

[@Dr.depression516]

"we could do a gay junta" 😃 "Or, preferably . . . " 😔

[@seamusrw]

I love how if trust fund kids just focus on gender they never have to show their cards to us.

[@SenorZorros]

"We don't want men to be on their side" Well, okay... There is the wall then.