Thoughts on "Eruption" | New Iron Banner Mode

[@QuiseeC]

These videos are part of my morning work schedule at this point

[@booshninja431]

Fr bro I love it!

[@chonbaquer]

I too refer to my toilet as work

[@calebday6988]

L

[@g-mo_1810]

Same

[@KrachBone]

@@chonbaquer paperwork is paperwork.

[@Kronos-mm2vc]

I was just talking to my friend about this, the game mode is a living paradox. The whole point is to run in get kills and become the hunter for more points, but if you kill the hunter by sitting back and waiting for them to push because they don’t want to explode you get like 20 points. This makes everyone run ranged weapons and nobody is pushing in (the whole point of the game mode). It just doesn’t make sense and I think they should adjust the game mode a little bit.

[@Jefstito]

I agree. Maybe they should make it so you can only get 5 points for the hunter. The clip near the end where cammys buddy was on a streak and then died proves that this game mode its really flawed. They were winning by 15 points and after that, they were losing. Is ridicoulus

[@GiantEffnDonkey]

The teams that push everytime have the most success. It's a team mode, not an I mode. I played for quite a few hours yesterday and my team was super aggressive and we had a blast. None of us cared if we died on a streak.

[@ajallen6980]

Yeah similar experience here. I start out running something up close, rotating around the map a lot, generally playing like how I like to. Then about halfway through once I’ve been killed by Jade rabbit in the back of the map the fourth or fifth time, I put a scout on too and just stare at a lane.

[@diamondpython8034]

They did just say that the assist gaining a million points was actually a bug, so hopefully the second iron banner feels better with that fixed.

[@Xyru29]

It’s fun and it’s fast. Me and me friends just stack up and it’s a lot of fun. In terms of chaos and meme gamemodes this one’s my favorite. If i want to play in a more competitive setting, I got control, survival and private matches. This is a breath of fresh air for when the competitive stuff isn’t feeling good.

[@dafaq7561]

100%. I love competitive grindy games, but this is not that and its super fun.

[@nicholasgrogan856]

Control should NOT be on the list for Competitive game modes... God damnit Bungo lol

[@gagefisher4785]

>me and my friends stack up Woah, careful! A lot of people hate stacks, and think playing with friends should be a bannable offense. I get lots of hate mail daily from individuals who can't find a group/don't have friends to play with.

[@dvdossbsvskfbdvav]

@@nicholasgrogan856 control should literally be a casual playlist and it's so frustrating that it's not. I just want a normal game mode where I don't have to play to win to have any fun, because mayhem sucks. Stacks playing control like it's the crucible Olympics is really what kills PvP for me, I just wanna be able to use dumb shit against other people playing for fun, because I really don't like how the crucible plays when it's played to win

[@itsyaboyskinnnypimp42069]

@@nicholasgrogan856 bungie should release control e-sports i would be number one

[@d2bolt974]

For me its the break from the sbmm in the only 2 other gamemodes we usually play. Comp and control get sbmm so playing with vastly different skill level friends makes more sense in IB. And on top of that the nature of streaks makes people, who sit in spawn the entire game, die therefore making the games more engaging and brawly. Its goofy but its what I would want control playlist to be swapped out for.

[@Woahjusttakeiteasyman69]

Exactly. Thank you.

[@humanactivated1017]

You would swap control for Eruption ?! Are u crazy ?!?

[@STAYIN_ALIVE]

@@humanactivated1017 lmao fr what a bad take. If anything it should be part of the weekly rotator.

[@Woahjusttakeiteasyman69]

@@humanactivated1017 with the current state of Control? Yes. Absolutely

[@yhelloh]

@@humanactivated1017 we've had control as the default playlist for nearly a decade. A little variety might help all of us with mental health. Or make playlists the same way d1 did. Control and clash rotate every week, rift and supremacy rotate every week, elim and comp, momentum and mayhem, scorch cannon and eruption, rumble and mayhem rumble. That way the only 6v6 mode isn't the same one as its been every week since the game released.

[@Soren64gaming]

I'm having a lot of fun with this gamemode so far. I got about 6 hours into it, and so far it's been great. I've been primarily playing as a 6-stack with friends/clanmates of varying skill levels and we have been having a blast. I really like the concept of streaking and the incentive to be aggressive, which works in tandem with arc 3.0. It's pretty satisfyingly to go on a high streak and kind of just be like "F it" and go in some times. I will say that there are some aspects that definitely should be tweaked, like the timer. On some maps, 15 seconds isn't enough, especially if there is a spawn flip. I'd say extend the base timer to like 20 seconds, and/or make it so kills grant an accumulative increase in the timer. Like if you get a quick double kill, instead of having each kill fresh the timer back up to 15, make it so that the first kill would bring it up to 15, then the 2nd would bring it to like 20. Kind of like the nezaarc's sin timer, where it increases with every kill and maxes out eventually. The persistent wall hacks are annoying, but in my experience it didn't seem to be too problematic, but I can easily see how rough it can be against a good team that can easily hunt you down. Maybe if they remove the wall hacks and just keep the spark like appearance a player has when they are on a streak, that'd be better. Or maybe it can show up temporarily when that player hits a streak milestone, say every 5 kills.

[@lionheartzcs2]

I dont hate SBMM, I think your points about how its tuning itself over time are super valid. What I like about Eruption is that its pace is totally different from the other game modes, it reminds me a bit of Supremacy in that IN THEORY the best playstyle is to be as aggressive as possible and I like that

[@DonRobertoDeMuerte]

Personally I think the gamemode is pretty fun. But I will admit it’s just me also feeling more relaxed cause of no sbmm. Sbmm has definitely killed my vibe in quick play, but I’ll still play control just because I enjoy pvp despite sbmm dampening my mood in it

[@xyry4148]

I'm pretty sure 90% of all the complaining about sbmm is placebo! Wake up! Connection and låg is the real problem! Sbmm or cmbb...... If u would have never known about sbmm u would enjoy control just as much as before and get good and bad matches just as often

[@kapperino]

the ol' bungie dopamine switcheroo

[@udontknowme00]

@@xyry4148 connection and lag is more common in sbmm because it prioritizes skill over connections…

[@xyry4148]

@@udontknowme00 Yeah u could say that. But was already so bad that there is no real difference there nowadays at least on consoles. If u on Xbox and majority or players is PS u simply have 0 chance of ur shots hitting and getting any good result even before starting the match. As u saw sbmm has been already modified yesterday to improve connection issues

[@jaredstoner6766]

@@xyry4148 Maybe for you, but when I went into control the first week of the new season I didn't know about sbmm. I went into to try some new guns and take a break from mayhem, only to get slaughtered and completely frustrated. I don't like to use meta stuff and it was just chaperone after chaperone after chaperone

[@IllinoisStrider]

Cammy plays every game like it's game 7 of trials, even Control. You can hear him breathe harder and the amount of noise he makes with his keys because of how hard he plays. Of course he doesn't like this game mode.

[@johnarchibald6]

See Cammy I hard agree with you on SBMM, I want teammates who I can depend on to be competent and with SBMM I get way more of that.

[@kenja0685]

Except in the case where your teammates are garbage stacking KD farmers who actually can't win a solo gunfight for the life of them and your opponents are 500 time Ghost in the Nights.

[@istalkkP]

@@kenja0685 give it time, those folks will sink down to where they belong. I’ve been consistently in the middle of the pack this season and it’s so nice not having to go balls deep at top slot to hard carry some people who are learning the ropes against max mobility jimmy running ace/shotty

[@honestythegreat2438]

This gamemode is subjective to me thh. Some people would think it's stupid, but others may think its a challenge

[@mits_funai12]

My thoughts exactly! Helps me improve aggressive playstyle while being fun and different with weird snowball builds. Challenging for sure.

[@Someguy1357]

Man Cammy, I dropped this game nearly a year ago, but I still come back to watch your videos and analyses every now and then. You're truly a unique D2 KZbinr and great mind! Thank you for the content.

[@pluto3194]

I really don't like this mode. I already don't like ability spam modes all that much as is, and I 100% agree with most of your other points. Being punished for going on streaks feels bad and the timer is wayyy too restrictive. I'll be playing for triumphs/drops but after I'm done with those I'm not gonna be coming back for more. Personally I just prefer IB being the modified control ruleset. It's just a good feeling mode.

[@Subsistence69]

Love how the entirety of Cammys thoughts on this mode are completely valid, I dont think anyone can dispute a single thing he said 😂 What a freaking clutch with the stormtrance too

[@koriberserker]

I mean his statements on needing to play to win are fairly hyperbolic but this video is mostly opinions so what will you do? An example would be describing 50 losses to match in a more chill bracket and being adjusted out after 5 matches. Adjustments work both ways equally fast. Or the refusal to call it loose skill based matchmaking. Hyperbolic yes, but it's also an opinion piece.

[@Zakro116]

I really think the lack of SBMM let’s this be the mode where we have fun again. I was rocking Cold Denial/Out of Bounds with Harmony and *Chromatic Fire* of all things with great results. the mode itself wasn’t what made it fun, but the loose games where I can try out funny builds with my friends and just shout and have fun. it’s not highly competitive and that’s what I like about it, since I can try my different build ideas without feeling like a detriment to my team/getting instantly mercied. main gripe is definitely that it feels punishing to go on streaks since people will just back up into the back of spawns, and with Dysjunction you can kill a spawn and then not be able to make it all the way to the other side of the map before exploding. other than that just been a really good casual mode to mess around with friends in and I don’t dislike the loot pool like some previous seasons

[@Manstrual]

The Location of a guardian on a streak should be pings every 2 seconds instead of constant. OR Every 5 seconds and with every next kill decreases by 1 second to constant feed once you hit 10 kills. This way, if the enemy team gets 20 points from killing you, you at least have a chance to get 20 points as the streak holder.

[@Subsistence69]

Good idea

[@bruhdespacito8324]

My life has gotten alot better as cammy has uploaded more often. I love this

[@JoBeX2]

This is why I love Cammy. Even when he hates it he is being positive, complementing and giving constructive feedback. Seems like a solid dude.

[@dafaq7561]

This is the most fun I've had in Banana in years for 3 reasons: (1) I can use less than the ultimate meta builds and not get destroyed by the same weapons over and over (2) It is a mix of objective/non-objective which incentivizes teamwork without it seeming like a chore (i.e. grabbing points in control) (3) Great comeback potential. Its fast paced, its fun, and I can use the new seasonal pirate weapons without feeling like I'm tying my hands behind my back.

[@B7iND]

eruption feels nice to be able to go on crazy streaks, specifically when u pull out the 7 column maker gold gun. also i dont have to sweat my balls off in order to have fun, the only annoying thing imo is the amount times ive been solo crashed..

[@DauntlessLight]

"The enemy is fortified like they're playing COD Zombies, and I have to run in there." Yes. This.

[@blixydafox7906]

For me it always fun to push onto the person with the streak instead of avoiding him, feeling that its better to get rid of them as fast as possible so they can't rack up points. My main complaint is how fast the supers charge, some games the game only has gone on for a minute or two and im already getting super spammed leading me to start running suppression nades and teather just to stop them.

[@McNightSkull]

I like this mode. It reminds me so much of Crank from COD Ghost, and I loved that mode. However, I don’t like both wall hacks and seeing the timer because in Ghost, if you’re Crank (or on a 5 streak in Destiny terms), no one knows where you are and can’t see the timer. This wasn’t a huge issue and I kinda don’t understand why Bungie gave players the ability to see those players, who are on a 5 streak, through walls and see the timer. It creates a problem where players are running away from the person who is on a streak, rather than just playing aggressive.

[@YaBoiSneedMan]

the fiesta playlist sounds like a GREAT idea. it would be like 50% of my games

[@DevilChowder]

What a surprise. Cammy has the complete opposite opinion than me. Asking the sweat their opinion is too predictable

[@SaltySpaghetti27]

I personally like the mode as a more fun, casual, mode. But I also don't think this should be the only mode available. Hearing Cammy talk about the idea of having a Fiesta playlist sounds super fun, and makes me miss Classic Mix from pre-Beyond Light even more. I really hope next time they do Crucible overhauls, they make it so the playlists are actually playlists and not just all control with the occasional rotator mode.

[@ItsUbi]

I like diet mayhem but I miss a rewarding comp playlist

[@MightyOwl_01]

it just feels like "snowballing: the gamemode" imo

[@thatguyyouhate3743]

I’m gonna be entirely honest here and say I just don’t like the mode. I just really dislike ability spam modes like this and mayhem. Getting repeatedly thundercrashed is not my idea of fun Control has been pretty nice though. Being able to trust my teammates to not immediately throw the second I look away from them has been enjoyable

[@naohdelsol3230]

Dude, THANK YOU CAMMY. This gamemode makes me feel like I have to play against my muscle memory and reflexes and NOT kill people bc of the streak. Don’t even get me started on having no team shot bc the teammates don’t want to hit 5x streak..

[@is5393]

I dislike Eruption heavily; I don’t like being punished for getting 5 kills but then having to play stupid because of a timer. I only liked it for CBMM, which needs to have its own playlist 24/7

[@RXOBANSH33]

I've loved the SBMM in control, at a high level too. The problem I've had is 6 stacks and people quitting. When you have neither of those things, stuff gets real fun. Been playing control for so long having to carry the entire match almost solo so it's nice to actually have and be against good players. Unfortunately it seems that for people who are sorted into a higher skill bracket, this notion is a minority since the pointless numbers on their profile mean more than having fun competitive matches.

[@wiiwaremania]

This right here! I enjoy the SBMM in a way to sometimes not be paired with braindead teammates and people who know how to play somewhat. But the main issue is the ragequitting due to teaming up against 4-6 stacks and THAT is the main thing that ruins Control imo. People tend to quit more now than previously which is not a healthy sign.

[@PeanutButterGyrfalcon]

Thank you for being such a drama free / real content hub in this community 🤟

[@philfjell7052]

I love the oven mitts

[@L1x1m]

Is it normal to have a 100 total stat helmet

[@Masta_E]

I hated it the first night, but now I am enjoying it. I like you enjoy getting better, but this is just a fun time with a good group of friends. :) I got a we ran and somehow kept that timer up and it was just a fun time.(Uploaded on my channel, yeah I am shilling myself lol) Idk but I started having a lot of fun last night and will keep playing it this week. I would encourage you to not overthink it. I love your commentary and your thoughtful look on this game and PvP but in this case I would just not give it thought, and treat it like Mario party. Just slay out with some friends you love and have fun. Probably because I don't stream for a living but I am enjoying it, but I also agree that I wish they had more competitive game type, because I love that as well. Thanks for the awesome content as always. Peace and Blessings.

[@ChaseyCakes]

I like the game mode as a whole it feels like an in between clash and mayhem. I do feel like it needs tweaks like giving the entire enemy team wallhacks while you're erupt should be changed to how the wallhacks in gambit work or while you're invading or when you're erupt you should gain wallhacks as well making it a 2 edged sword. Currently getting on a streak can sometimes feel like a death sentence rather than a reward. I have really been enjoying the cbmm over the sbmm so that could be adding to me enjoying more than sbmm control.

[@morganpriest7726]

I think people like it because we can finally use what guns we want to use and don’t have to be stuck using the best stuff, sometimes I just want to dunk on some guys with effigy.

[@_21Tn]

How come I don’t get opening cutscene for iron banner?

[@William_E]

I usually fallow the runner with double healing nades, And cover flanks with a glave. You instantly get your granade back when someone gets 5 kills.

[@ItsAMeeb]

It's kinda funny how they've implemented loads of pvp changes over the years to "prevent snowballing" and then they just come out with snowballing: the gamemode

[@nissan5026]

why did they make control into comp? iron banner vice versa

[@yol_n]

"Some of these could be ironed out" oh dear god...

[@adummy9664]

I like the idea of it, especially when you approach it more like a VIP mode where it's just as important for the team to protect their VIP as it is for the enemy to focus them down, so it encourages playing aggressive as a whole team whereas if you're left pushing in solo you're just going to get overwhelmed and you can't really back up because of the timer, so in a way it actually makes it way more team focused than the usual Team Deathmatch style mode. I definitely get where you're coming from though that it can feel like you're just getting punished for playing well since all it does is paint a wall hack target on you to make you worth bonus points and also gives you a short timer, and on a large map it's basically an automatic death sentence since you're not going to find the next enemy before your timer runs out. (Maybe they could even adjust the Eruption timer per map?) Though I feel like theoretically you could turn the VIP wallhacks into it's own advantage through some clever teamplay, as since the enemy team will be focused on gunning down the marked person it makes it easier for non-marked teammates to flank and catch the enemy team from the side while they're not paying attention. (Though I know the success of that depends on how much the enemy team tends to tunnel vision or not.)

[@parkrangermoon2334]

If they add larger maps, which I’m a big believer that they should, they need to add vehicles back. Solves a lot of the range ttk problems, like you mentioned about someone just watching with an angle using a scout/pulse. That’s one of the biggest problems with disjunction and sometimes eternity regardless of game mode.

[@ravenRedwake]

There was a game mode in halo 4 that was fun as heck, it was sorta football/rugby but in Halo. You could pass the ball and all that. I don’t think it was popular enough but I LOVED IT

[@just_d3spairity]

I feel the wallhacks should have brief flashes, or maybe it shows where you are when you achieve it but the icon doesn't move with you. If truesight itself won't show you for more than a second or so, then it probably shouldn't have that long here

[@chrisd400]

"Not shooting my opponent is the right play to win the match": The forsaken OEM experience

[@14K_Zo]

I love the gamemode its awesome to play with the homies cause we just troll and enjoy ourselves not like control where you need 10 lbs of gfuel to compete. Takeaways: 1. Get rid of big maps in a gamemode that wants you to go on streaks but wipe a team and now have 13 seconds to run across the whole map just and hope to get a kill. 2. Idk if its just me but most games had 1 guy on hamster wheel connection. If mightve just been my luck but other than that the gamemode is solid

[@edgewalker7459]

For me the start of a streak is like survival til you get to 5 then it goes full speed , I managed to finished a game undefeated, It was actually insane running striker being amplified and on the eruption timer the whole time

[@redsix5165]

I think its a great change. It makes certain maps play differently which is fun. The whole five streak mechanic is fun- you need to play as a team and still be aggressive bc you will die.

[@zachmiller4575]

I’m curious about what your arc build is

[@iamDTDB]

Thanks for opening my eyes on a build, Think im going to go back to Lumina on my Warlock for a bit.

[@haZedxClanz]

Was not expecting to see Cammy get defualt danced in Destiny

[@humanactivated1017]

Holy shit Cammy, what a downer at the end

[@toppermusic]

It's 100% the lack of SBMM. People don't want to have to full sweat every time they boot up the crucible. That's what comp is for. There needs to be that separation between casual and competitive modes.

[@physanon5327]

I think you're absolutely right. The wallhacks make it frustrating to play the way the mode wants you to. It was also pointed out to me that Skulking Wolf, the origin trait on the iron banner weapons, is almost completely useless in Iron banner at the moment if you're doing well, given that if they can see you through walls being off the radar is moot. I'm all for the idea of the mode, and I've been having a great time in it, much better than I was in rift, but there is definitely changes to be made.

[@Maddie_The_Sergal]

This mode reminds me of that one time in D1 when iron banana was mayhem, it was so fun

[@DerultimativeOzzy]

The idea that iron banner gets used for new experiemental modes is something I welcome. If it could rotate from season to season to have 1 mode that is party mode, then one mode that is competitive focused it would be a great thing. Great reasons for people to try out something and give feedback.

[@OldInsomniac]

It's a fun casual mode that's a bit less chaotic than mayhem/momentum. It's actually got a decent number of my clanmates back into the crucible without complaining about it, so I'm really enjoying it.

[@aidynladouceur8369]

I think when the gamemode works, which can be seen on maps like anomoly, when the lobby actively tries to play the game rather than kd farming with pulses and scouts from another map, the game mode does achieve its goal and can be fun, its just when the blanently flawed mechanics are abused (which is simply playing to win) when the game really takes a dragging turn. I think most of the reason why ppl including myself enjoy the game mode is because of sbmm, games in IB feel WAAAY better on average than control, letting ppl actually enjoy their "relax game session' rather than signing up for a tourny game every time, mixed with the game mode in its ideal state, when it works, its really works, and when it doesn't it just feels like normal control games anyways, with the knowledge that if the other team erupts, they finally have to leave their spawn and come play too (of course on paper)

[@malfea]

i really like it i just wish there was some form of eruption protection from not being able to find anyone

[@calebhenry3601]

I see Dr. Scalpel brought out his Warlock today...

[@thealldayspecial]

The bigger age old question is really slammed down even harder after this IB mode came into being, why in the hell is there no permanent Clash playlist? I say this as a diligent goody goody boyscout teamplayer of a flag capper who had an obscene amount of caps when Bungie did the "yourIronBannermemories" post awhile back and I'd bet money that I can outcap and retain a respectable amount of defeats/involvement than a lot of people playing the game, 99.9% of players in this game don't give a damn about objectives and clearly there is just a desire to slug out without having to worry about it. Yes I agree with you Eruption feels goofy with a lot of cheap undeserved opportunities to wipe people, and how the comeback mechanics can just eat away at you or your team absolutely popping off to claw stuff back and all that but I think deep down this whole thing just spells out that Clash needs to be more permanent.

[@MrJakeasaur98]

I really like the idea of this game mode, but I absolutely agree with your take. In the games I've played (in the freelance queue), I've found that most people will sit far back with a DMT or Jade Rabbit or similar, making it difficult to maintain a streak or avoid giving the other team the catch-up mechanic. I'll find that I outplay people up close, get primed, and then have to find a way to close the gap in my stormtrance without getting simultaneously shot by everyone on their team sat at the far corner of the map. The gamemode appears to want to encourage you to run around being aggressive with SMGs and the likes, but it heavily favours passive plays and making use of long range choke-holds. It seems against the spirit of the mode intended by Bungie. Maybe I just need to adjust to that reality but at that point I'd rather have IB control back.

[@Zero_8347]

i like this mode. been winning almost every game

[@luiznunez7780]

Hello, could someone answer me a question? I'm a casual player now with SBMM my KD went up to 2.4 if it was 1.60 before, someone knows why did that happen?

[@uy-scuti8886]

What helmet and robe are those?

[@IB_M1]

I like the game mode. For me it fits for Iron Banana, although the hunts can be a bit close together. As you said it fits better for the casuals, that's me most of the time.

[@VideoGameMantis]

As a PVP player who wasn't a fan of Trials, I felt like the Control version of Iron Banner was my favorite iteration. (fixed a lot of things that aren't my favorite or confused me about Control) This gamemode is like "okay", which is really weird for a Destiny 2 change. Though it feels kind of backwards for the "advantage team hunts opposing team" theme of I-B. Also nice to see Wolftone Draw, even for a few seconds. I've been an archer's tempo version of it in PVP lately & I've been enjoying it.

[@JH-vb1wo]

I’m having a lot of fun during iron banner. The games aren’t sweaty for the most part and I am using random weapons and doing well where as sbmm in normal control makes u want to use more meta options

[@joshuamagruder2241]

This game mode has single handedly made Arc warlock fun. Triple melee kills because everyone is piggybacking on their teammates the whole game. I also have a vex and this is a 6v6 game mode and it just feels easy.

[@Zahigggy]

the way this gamemode feels is what i want control to feel, and the way control feels is how i want ranked to feel in destiny. If they dont want to give us a real competitive gamemode with competitive rewards then people will always prefer eruption over rift. also no power enabled automatically makes the game not competitive

[@xyry4148]

How does enabling power makes a game more competitive???

[@joeym3147]

hard disagree on your last point. it makes it less competitve because people are on unequal levels with power enabled. disabling it would make it more competitive because everyone is on an equal level of power

[@Zahigggy]

@@joeym3147 you dont have to enable pinnacle cap, but allowing mountaintop and revoker in a pvp gamemode is a no go for me.

[@joeym3147]

@@Zahigggy well you can say that about anything else remotely broken like those. lorelys, wormcrutch, one shot abilities. like none of these make the game competitive as it devalues the core gameplay of a shooter. so honestly if you want comp destiny in the slightest you take what you can get so saying revoker and mountaintop=no, when those are being used in like 1% of matches rn anyways, makes no sense. you play destiny so you have to understand this otherwise you would play csgo or even halo infinite despite how horrible its doing rn

[@Zahigggy]

@@joeym3147 just because somethings are broken doesn't mean we should allow all broken things, take what you can get is a not a good mindset to have.

[@Lamp37820]

What if they kept the eruption mechanics, but made it the variant of control where you have to cap and hold flags to get points?

[@stuntsforlife3098]

Should I get back into destiny 2. I havnt played in a year

[@enlight_8360]

I think this game mode could use a slight rework. Instead of streaks causing you to die after fifteen seconds… it could start a 15 second point multiplier… however… if you die before the timer is up, any of the kills *you* got won’t count towards the score. Eruption Timer: Default Buff + 2x multiplier. 10 streak for 3x multiplier for any kills from then on. When the timer hits zero, all points you accumulate will be added to the scoreboard. This provides incentive to defend your teammates, but also to go on streaks so you can get those extra points.

[@DemonAbumi]

Cammy you alone in this. This new mode is fun as hell. Feel rewarding to get kills and be “good”.

[@DesignatedHealer]

Do you think that being on a streak could be a little more manageable if the wall hacks were more like one-eyed mask? If the enemy has line of sight on you it shows them your timer and you glow. But if they don't then they don't see anything except for maybe a little text in the bottom left that says so and so is on a streak.

[@xthecre8or735]

I think it’s should be more like foetracer, like you don’t get marked until an opponent tags you or something, not show you as a “come kill me” beacon soon as you erupt

[@pkmn1558]

Not to mention it works against the banner original trait Trait takes you off the radar after a kill But then when you are on a streak you get wall hacked

[@Gem1ni3]

nice whiff punish on that shoulder charge amigo 👍🏽

[@DarkPyroZero]

Wow another mode I don't like, like how hard is it to make this a Crucible Labs mode and make Zone Control the IB mode this season

[@BananaTheCorn]

Oh boy do I have some thoughts on this gamemode, and I don't have a platform so I'll post them here. This is all anecdotal from my experience playing the last few days, almost exclusively in the Freelance Playlist. First, I am an above average player, but nothing special. My favourite way to play PvP is with Fighting Lion in Control, I love using all different types of guns and I have never gone Flawless. I usually sit pretty comfortably at about a 1.4KD, and a 1.7-1.8KDA. First, I'll address some of the points that Cammy brought up. While I agree that technically, this is a 'casual' gamemode in the sense that it is not ultra competitive and there are strong comeback mechanics, I have to say that everyone in my lobbies is sweating their tits off. There is almost no variety in loadouts, and in any game, 3/4 of the lobby is using either Jade Rabbit or NTTE and laning from the back of the map, which seems to be the trend in the lower-skill lobbies I currently inhabit, so it doesn't feel like a casual party experience at all. My win % has absolutely tanked, from about 49% down to less than 30%, which feels awful. I often find myself feeling absolutely helpless against teams, but have yet to have a Freelance game go to Mercy. Most of my games go to time, rather than score. I imagine that Bungie will notice if this becomes a trend and tweak the score limit, so this is likely only a temporary issue. A large number of games in the Freelance playlist have failed to fill, and I have had a number of 4v4 games. I typically don't mind these, but they tend to fill unevenly, and I will often finish those games 5v4 due to people leaving. Not an issue with Eruption, but annoying nonetheless, particularly when you would have been likely to win a 4v4, but lose due to the other team getting an extra body. My cynical brain is telling me that this gamemode is popular with content creators because it is easy to get clips from due to the uptime on ability spam, but I don't have any proof of that so it's a moot point. Overall, this is the least fun I have ever had playing this game period, and if my lizard brain wasn't completely obsessed with the idea of gilding my Iron Lord title I would not be playing at all, loot be damned.

[@Dialandhands]

The thing I’ve noticed is this reminds me sooo much of pre beyond light pvp with the ability and super cooldowns and the way people are playing.

[@Manstrual]

Yeah... Reminds me of cerridius's 100 defeat game. So many supers...

[@TylorHuebner]

Hopefully all of this is leading to Bungie adding the rotator QP back as the casual mode and adding an actual comp mode. Seems like they are testing and gathering a lot of data from these so fingers crossed.

[@newagecap7128]

one of the biggest pros: You have the Freelancer-option! I would have way more fun in Quickplay, if i would have the freelance option.

[@vince4374]

opinions may differ here, i just dont think destiny is the game that needs "competitive play". Too much cheese, bad servers, weird connections. Thats why i like the mode because you can just turn your brain off and have fun. As unrealistic as this sounds, if everybody does it, we all have a good time. And then it just comes down to how good can you work with your ammo, weapons, abilities, the randomness. If Destiny needs skillbased matchmaking i would rather see it in gamemodes that are actually called competitive like trials or the survival. I have never seen iron banner as competitive.

[@WGG-01]

My only problem is like sure you can turn your brain off but for some people using their brain is the only reason they like crucible. I personally love the person to person engagements and having to play an objective of some kind cause destiny boils down to some really boring well mindless stuff when you take that away. Cause honestly this gamemode is essentially just mayhem but punishes people for not using the meta, like I don't see how that is supposed to be fun, I enjoy grinding mayhem cause sure everyone is using supers but at least every game isn't onesided. I just wish Bungie would get dedicated servers for the game instead of this weird hybrid peer to peer half dedicated thing that just sucks on both ends.

[@Fatalfantasy09]

I was really feeling like I was crazy or missing something with how much I abhor this gamemode. Just happy someone whos actually good at this game is having similar thoughts.

[@Krantzstone420]

Re: Eruption "I hate this game mode". Same. It doesn't help with terribad lobby balancing (which is a problem in SBMM Control as well). Eruption also rewards camping and teamshooting, which ensures my teammates will hug my butt, especially in small maps, and I keep running into teammates, getting walled in by my own teammates (and getting us all killed by one well-timed 'nade). The timer should not penalize people for getting 5+ kills, it should be like the movie Speed: if you stop moving or start camping, a timer goes on and if you don't keep moving, you explode. That would prevent camping and promote aggressive play (and not constantly teamshooting/camping out with your team), but wouldn't penalize good players for running around the map getting kills. Also, why does Bungie hate Clash? Just give me 6v6 Clash with SBMM _and proper lobby balancing_ on the permanent playlist and I will shut up forever about other game types I will never have to play again.

[@ballpython365]

Personally I just want to see control come back with supers disabled... Just like that boom, more competitive and less snowballing. I don't hate this mode as much as you do, but I do find the super spam a little obnoxious...

[@JG-gl3hb]

This exactly, when you're trying to play the game and you're stuck with sandbag teammates who are getting farmed, anyone who CAN kill someone is getting supered at every turn. It's part of the reason that I really don't much care for Mayhem either, too many supers and grenades constantly being flung everywhere and practically no gunfights.

[@Giantspaz]

It's fun but also really annoying; the timer is to short especially larger maps. It should stall while you're in combat, I think that would be a good change and the wall hacks should work like the spark runner in rift where you get spotted. I think that would give going on a streak alot more bearable and a nice voiceline from Saladin to tell me I'm surging too.

[@Jistafford]

We need more modes like this. It's not perfect in it's current state but seeing this and rift back to back makes me at least a little hopeful that Bungie is actually trying to improve crucible. Keep adding modes like this, add more maps either new or improved retired ones, and make a better more engaging ranked system and I think we've got it made. At the very least I wish they'd make a forge mode so the community can try making something.

[@karstenonarheim6343]

So are points awarded for kills and assists instead of just for kills (like it is in normal modes)? This would explain why some shutdowns are worth like 4-5 points while others are worth like 20. In this case, I would think that THAT is the problem

[@Saint-14s-Shadow]

I'd 100% prefer this than another season of Rift. I haven't played a ton of Control so I don't have the full picture with my personal SBMM but the time I do have it's a night and day difference. Like Cross said, *"It is BALLS sweaty."* I was kind of shocked because Iron Banner was always unbearably sweaty for my friends and I, it was like Control and IB got swapped in terms of their sweatiness. I love it, I live for pure chaos and dummy shit. Something about this mode makes my caveman brain go "ooga booga me like."

[@its_just_deej6034]

Totally agree about the timer not being long enough and the wallhack after only a 5 streak is frustrating. Other than that its been a nice break from the 6v6 comp iv been playing. Mans been sweating

[@mechatr0nix]

How strange. When I read about this I thought they built it for you It's like you are the raid boss but the guardians know what your mechanics are so they stand a chance

[@iiSiv]

One thing that definitely could change is assist counting as kills. You should have to go out and get your own kills rather than banking on your team to clean up the people you damage.

[@k3l3v-ra90]

Thank you, someone finally said it.

[@Not-Jank]

I feel like more often than not you teamwipe and then people hide behind cover in spawn point until you blow up

[@itscrispy5342]

How many kills difference him to call the game?

[@eoIoIe]

The comeback score the enemy team gets should ramp up dependent on the streak. 5 streak - 5 points, 10 streak - 10 points. Eruption timer should be 20 sec or get rid of long range maps in rotation. I enjoy it tho, it’s wacky fun, the issue is this should be qp and the state of control rn should be ib, bungies got it twisted.

[@marklepore5415]

For me, I like the game mode and it is a respite from SBMM in control (which should be more of a social playlist imo). I’ve been enjoying IB so far this season and keeps me in the playlist until trials rolls back around where I want to do more “sweaty” gameplay.