Thoughts on PC Ghouls v1.0 (PTS) -

[@Seven_Actual]

Also HUGE issues. It's been understood since 1996 that feral ghouls are NOT hostile to non-feral ghouls. Even in 76 this was the case. A ghoul sits at the bar in the Wayward but you can't go in without a mask? Did Penny need a mask to get in Foundation? No. How about the Ghoul that sleeps 4 feet away from Meg? Like this ruins so much lore and breaks so much continuity I'm not sure the franchise makes it out of this.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, I talked about that in my previous video speculating on ghouls. I expected ferrals and maybe supermutants to become friendly to PC ghouls, but that might be a bit difficult to fit in without major changes to the AI so I guess that's why it's not in place. But from a lore perspective PC ghouls should be friendly with ferrals at least.

[@lordmordic8437]

The thing with the Wayward, Foundation, Crater etc... is that Bethesda don't want to spend money in voicing new dialogues of NPCs reacting to your Ghoul Character. Even if they wanted they couldn't because the majority of Voice actors in the USA are on strike

[@lordmordic8437]

About the Feral Ghouls, I hate that they still attack you but I want to think it's because there are a lot of Events involving feral ghouls

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, I'm guessing they wanted to give us another type of character but didn't want to have to change the game too much to cater for that. So we get disguises and angry ferral ghouls.

[@Arkham8076]

I think the devs don't care about lore in 76 because if they break it too much they will just say it was all a simulation. I wouldn't be surprised if in Fallout 5 you find a vault 76 that has hundreds of dwellers in simulation pods.

[@LeTon75]

Good to see you back 👍 I enjoyed the ghoul stream you did the other day

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Thanks, it was fun!

[@FearlessblueGaming]

Mom, I made it! 5:23 Great video, Sequential.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

How the hell did you spot that?? That's some sharp eyes, but I'm glad at least one person watched the video LOL

[@youtubeshadower4039]

I wanna become a super mutant like Frank Hogan from fallout 2 though

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

On second thought the new PC ghoul system makes you closer to a supermutant than a ghoul LOL.

[@youtubeshadower4039]

@ Yeah, perhaps you’re right the only difference is you don’t get to look like a super mutant 🤷

[@clevergoblin1714]

The bloodied builds right now are super OP. The raid seems to have been designed around the OP level of those builds to point I can die instantly with 500 HP and in full ultracite power armor and have the perk to reduce explosions, and have evasive perk to avoid damage but the guardian can oneshot with his rocket barrage. Bloodied builds are OP and rely on rng to get the right perks on weapons and armor or an extreme level of grinding. I'm glad they're introducing Ghouls. Makes bloodied builds interior and they can just as well as any bloodied build based on your perk cards and rads, instead of rng. Players trying to get into the game now who don't want to grind to get bloodied weapons and armor will now have an alternative to be op.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

I'm bloody and after trying to do the raids at low health I've actually changed to full health, and even buffed by Endurance to 15 and added life giver for more health. Even then when trying to solo the first boss I'm literally relying on ricochet to bring down its shield, and spamming stims to stay alive. But when trying the raids in a team it's actually a lot easier. Just the fact that the bot needs to turn around to shoot at other people makes all the difference LOL. I'm also glad that they're adding ghouls, anything that diversifies the player experience is good regardless of what game it is. The concern I have is that the ghouls as they are in the PTS are basically superior to full health humans in every way, which reduces the diversity.

[@outsider2638]

Imagine doing Brotherhood of Steel stuff being a ghoul.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Well, apparently the disguise just works so PC ghouls can do all quests.

[@draycephantom9940]

I can imagine knight shin having an issue

[@chuckfin]

The initiates were attacking me. I guess you have to wear the disguise if a character hasn't done the BoS questline yet.

[@KFC_Manager]

brotherhood shouldnt have an issue with ghouls at this point in the timeline

[@cr12431]

Maybe a percentage based debuff for armor on a feral ghoul 45% for full feral because they can’t remember how to properly secure their armor to their body

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, a progressive loss of armor would be interesting.

[@deeptroit_5692]

Even if you roleplay a feral ghoul, without weapons and armor, it would probably still be OP😂

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, ferral melee bonuses mean that you'll be one-shotting a lot of enemies even if you just punch them.

[@clevergoblin1714]

​@@SequentialGamerFallout you'd be doing that as a bloodied build anyways. just now with the ghoul update players who don't have time to grind out legendary bloodied weapons and armor can achieve the same level of power. Now being op will be based on perks and give more freedom to the armor and weapons use. That's a good thing isn't it?

[@pokemonbarryallen9126]

I’ll just stay in my overeaters t65 lol

[@beastabuelos6421]

I just don't see why I'd be a ghoul when it can't use any of the good armor effects and you can only switch back once. So if i want to be a ghoul when they release, but then they change something that makes me want to not be a ghoul, I'm going to become a human again. But then if they change it so i want to be a ghoul again, I'm just screwed? That's not gonna fly

[@ChiRhoFTW]

I totally get that and that’s why I created a second character to be my ghoul. At the same time, people have been asking for more significant decisions in the game so maybe this is one way the devs are planning to fulfill that request

[@themisfitjester7034]

They've said you can change back and forth as many times as you want, but you only get one free change, then you're gonna have to pay, most likely with caps. 🤷‍♂️ Google is free dude, try using it before yapping.

[@andyhelms21]

Stop spreading false info man. You can change being a ghoul as many times as you want. It’s just free one time as mentioned then cost more than likely caps to do it.

[@steven_3824]

I like the general idea of becoming a ghoul but i don't like melee builds so ill stick to bloodied unless they make huge changes before it releases

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

There's perks that give you a lot of the benefits of a bloody build, e.g. a ghoul version of serendipity, extra accuracy to make up for less perception, etc. With the double health from ghoul glow it's basically a slighly lesser version of bloody but with massive survivability improvements.

[@VATROU]

I wasn't expecting the video to end so abruptly. It felt like you were going to explain why more playstyles was important. But no, it just ends. Anyways we'll probably get more playstyles, five years later. This may sound like a joke but it really does seem to take a long time for Bethesda to get around to fixing issues and adding features. If there's one thing I hate about 76 is that the Devs don't seem to have enough resources to keep gameplay fresh and tackle longstanding issues in a reasonable time frame.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Fair enough, I took as obvious that more playstyles being catered for was a good thing. But the reason for me specifically is that people like different styles, e.g. melee vs guns, and if you can make more of them equally viable or close to then more players can enjoy the game. You could call what I'd see as ideal "balance". And yeah, the bugs are getting more noticeable with the new features. Although to be fair their QA seems to have issues at the moment.

[@Paullyell]

I wanna play as a super mutant.

[@chuckfin]

I put solar armor on mine and nothing was bringing me below 95% soloing ultracite titan and it's adds.

[@justincary4803]

Other question is how does a disguise cover up the nasty voice of a ghoul?

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Not sure about the voice but the disguise is meant to make you seem human so gameplaywise it works perfectly

[@世界-イシュタル]

Can you do this quest then deny the change? Or is it forced on you upon completion?

[@Arkham8076]

i think you can ignore the final objective and leave it unfinished. Or you can complete the quest and become human again from the menu.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

You can choose not to pick up the inhaler. I don't remember if I got a quest completion reward but I don't think it was there.

[@LeTon75]

I don't think many players will bother being a ghoul tbh....a lot of players (mostly guys) spend far to long making there "girl" character look pretty and won't survive a day not being able to see that tight ass running around in the nuka girl costume. I personally would preferred to play as a Super Mutant rather then a ghoul.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

True, you don't get anywhere near the cosmetic options as you do with a human character.

[@Lotiondemhands]

it dont need a nerf man bloodied takes over everything we nee something to compete against that they don't need to nerf melee ghoul

[@Arkham8076]

As an end game player now, my focus is two areas: 1) earning xp as fast as possible to reach rank 100 in new seasons (currently takes me about 10 hours farming West Tek) and 2) farming the raid for rewards to craft the best gear. I personally don't see a reason to become a ghoul. I want to be bloodied to maximize unyielding gear to get my intelligence as high as possible for farming xp. For the raid I want to be a power armor heavy gunner. Currently I see no incentive to become a ghoul, especially since I cannot change between being a ghoul and human whenever I want. I will probably make a new character to test out the ghoul, but I'm going to keep my level 3000+ character human.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, I would recommend the same, it's better to make a new ghoul character instead of converting your high level bloody guy.

[@NUKE-og9fv]

Imo, to nerf auto axes I would reduce the attack speed on all mods except the turbo mod on the auto axe giving autoaxes slight more diversity. Choose poison/electric/fire mod for more damage but reduced attack speed or turbo mod for more attack speed(what it currently is) but less damage. Also fix how vats works with auto melee weapons😊

[@LumiNexus]

I was thinking just make the standard attacks not count as power attacks and add an actual power attack instead of just bashing. It'd add more variety than just holding down the trigger as well as making heavy hitter's and radioactive strength less optimal.

[@damnsurfer522]

I'm not really interested in collecting/carrying/maintaining a glow bar. You didn't mention that as a downside, but I think it's a pretty big one. When you can already solo kill stage 5 in under a min, how much time is the ghoul shaving off? It would need to be a lot to persuade me.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

As long as you hotkey a couple of hundred toxic goo like in the video it's not very inconvenient. I did use the legendary perk to reduce glow usage and the perk to boost rads from food though so without them you'd have to carry a lot more goo. But as for how fast can you kill, you're right that we don't need yet another way to kill things faster. That's one of the reasons I'm saying it's OP and needs to be balanced.

[@izeckx]

I can already see it being a problem. For me, after about 8 months playing, I'm feeling burnt-out from the game anyway. I'll take a break from it and hope for for more content down the road. Even my wife is already saying she's getting tired of the save events and she doesn't even play lol.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Even your wife? And she doesn't even play?? That says it all LOL

[@Kizen.]

You do NOT get the same amount of protection in powerarmor. The biggest amount of defensive property in power armor is the 30% damage reduction from overeater's legendary effect, an effect that you will literally never have access to as a Ghoul. You might think this is a non-issue, but it isn't. Not only does power armor have a flat 90% resist to ALL radiation sources externally, which means you have to slot in 2 perk cards to partially negate this, but toxic goo is now far more important than any other resource. You're going to be devouring it constantly. From a perspective of max hp with max glow and max hp with damage reduction, the values for HP are slightly in favor of the Ghoul, while they also get more damage. But they need to maintain a resource that is much harder to maintain than simply stimpacks. High damage attacks are going to be more intensely felt as a power armor ghoul, EN06 will be insanely powerful into it. There may be a way to modify your power armor with the 15% resists and maybe using Vulcan, t65 or Hellcat to mitigate the most possible amount of damage, but I foresee it being incredibly annoying to deal with the drawback of needing glow to compete. At baseline HP without glow a ghoul is actually much weaker than FullHealth.

[@Average1212]

Toxic goo is literally a zero cost infinite resource. Acting like it is a chore to maintain glow in any way is just looking for an excuse to complain

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

I get your point, and when I said that ghouls would get the same protection I was speaking in a general way, but yeah, overeaters will not be accessible to ghouls because it's food based. But if you're in the PTS, I'd encourage you to try a melee ghoul. I used the legendary perk to reduce glow usage and the perk to boost radiation from food and I only ever had to eat goo a few times. You might be surprised at how hands-free it is.

[@Kizen.]

@@Average1212 Use power armor without overeaters in the raid and come back to me. It's annoying. There isn't a healthgate or shieldgate mechanic, if your damage reduction values aren't high enough you get wasted fast. We only have one raid atm, but I'm sure more are coming and it's definitely an issue. Toxic goo is useful but for controller you cant hotkey it. So yes, it is a chore.

[@Kizen.]

@@SequentialGamerFallout For hotkeys I can agree with that. On controller, not so much. I will definitely agree melee ghoul needs to be nerfed, and pretty heavily. Full health ghoul is an option but I think the annoying factors of it are going to be a preferential decision. If they really want to bring it in line though, I'd imagine they could either nerf or remove mutations when turning to a ghoul, or suppressing all/most mutations.

[@Average1212]

@ use troubleshooters on the first boss…… the rest of the raid until the last boss is mechanics and the last boss is easy……

[@JamesWhite-m6n]

Can you still use power armor if so, you be super OP

[@SlickSIoth]

Not really, as a ghoul you WANT to continuously get rads because it heals you & gives you Glow which is a new mechanic that amps the damage of all your attacks. Power Armor by default has like a 90% Rad Resistance so that would actually be counterproductive. I do think there’s a new perk card that lowers rad resistance on armor but I could be remembering that wrong

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, there are a few perk cards that reduce rad resistance, but not rad reduction. So you're right that you do get less environmental rads in power armor. But the key is that you can just hotkey toxic goo and you have as many rads as you want. I'm doing that constantly while using the auto-axe in the footage.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

To answer your question, yes ghouls get all the benefits of PA and there's no downsides. Then add double health from glow, and it's easily the tankiest build in the game.

[@Barlofontain]

I recently switched to a full health build because being bloodied was too OP and nothing was a challenge. Now things take a bit longer to kill, but it's almost impossible to die I think it might be time for me to move on, because nothing in this game is challenging anymore, it's like taking up kickboxing but only fighting 6 year olds

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Unfortunately the game is trending towards making it about the combat challenge. Personally I think they focus on what makes Fallout, Fallout instead of the combat. That would give the game more life.

[@jpatty5964]

I’ve been using unarmed since day one and never cried for a nerf to uny commando builds that instant kill and get a free +15 special points, why do people have to complain now that unarmed will be viable

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Well I'm not doing that, I support ghouls being unarmed melee specialists. I'm pointing out that ghouls in the PTS are simply superhumans who can do everything. So who would be a human then?

[@super_burstmode3652]

Man i dont want to have to lvl up another character, but i guess il have to to play a ghoul. I refuse to let my pretty girl turn into a horrible ghoul. I put to much effort into making my character as good looking as possible.

[@Seven_Actual]

OP maybe but it's still gonna be undesirable because nothing buffs intelligence. Like the ugly reality is once a player tries bloody it's almost impossible to leave because it literally feel like you never level. At level 500+ on full health you'll go days without seeing a level. Same character bloody with 30 intelligence gets 2-3 levels a day. That's the issue here and it's perplexing why no one is talking about it.

[@andrewbrock3675]

Raids is like 400k exp per 20 mins. Farming westek days are over.

[@Seven_Actual]

@@andrewbrock3675 What does that have to do with the difference between bloodied and non bloodied intelligence?

[@andrewbrock3675]

@SecretlySeven the fact you don't need high I to to farm exp? Thats the literal only reason that existed to care about pumping int.

[@beastabuelos6421]

You don't need levels after like 600 anyway. This is so irrelevant

[@Seven_Actual]

@@andrewbrock3675 Let me slow it way down. At 30 intelligence you level much faster than you do at 10 intelligence. You sneak better at 40 agility than you do at 15. Your accuracy is better at 40 perception than it is at 15 perception. And carry weight and so on....

[@noticeddamian]

Surly it can’t be more OP than bloodied and they’ve left that in the game for years now 🤷

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

You can quadruple your damage so it's pretty powerful.

[@Average1212]

Unless they make it so ghouls can’t use food buffs it is much much stronger than bloodied. If they remove food buffs from ghouls the top end of ghouls and bloodied auto mele will be about the same

[@justincary4803]

Yeah they are kind of making ghouls seem like mini hulks and not very ugly which is not lore accurate. And yeah it doesn't seem like there's much of a point to playing as a human.

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Yeah, I think that PC ghouls will be an interesting change of pace. I'm not against them at all, I just don't think they should become the obvious best option like bloody used to be.

[@Raziel699]

we dont use the OP term. things get nerfed when streamers use it so stop it!

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Alright, let's call it "PO" instead LOL

[@Mr.House_]

This update is not for me. human players will still be stronger. Nothing will beat bloodied unyielding armour set.

[@Ncr.Ranger45]

Just goes ahead and spoils the story thanks man thanks

[@SequentialGamerFallout]

Sorry! I did make sure to avoid including the entire thing, so there's a lot of good dialogue that you're not aware of. Although it is an MMO and the story isn't going to be scintillating or that important anyway LOL.

[@Ncr.Ranger45]

@SequentialGamerFallout yer story isn't it's strong suit but i want everything fresh i thought you would just go straight to stats and information

[@harrygraham5810]

bloodied broke the game people cried, ghouls to stronk cry about it, its a bugthesda game it just works Todd said so