“Thousands of records have been altered” | Lord Arbuthnot on the

Lord Arbuthnot explains flaws in the verification of data about sex, during the first session of the committee stage of the Data (Use and Access) Bill in the House of Lords, Tuesday 3rd December 2024.
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[@sn4rff]

nobody should be allowed to falsify data, it's outrageous.

[@woodlandlady7011]

This changing of records should be disallowed. You cannot change your sex.

[@tiggywinkle5933]

Exactly, a second category for "gender" (absolute nonsense) for those that wish to record it.

[@jiminverness]

What if your sex was incorrectly observed at birth? Say you were listed as female on your birth certificate, but years later DNA testing shows you as genetically XY male?

[@keepingitreal618]

You wanna bet 😂😂😂😂 you can now changer your gender like you can your underwear😂😂😂

[@clairewheeler2937]

Say no to digital ID

[@rokasdobrovolskis]

And any form of CBDC

[@mademoiselledusfonctionell1609]

There's nothing inherently more wrong with a digital ID than with a physical one. The amount of counterfeit physical ID cards and passports is ridiculous.

[@dunken27]

​@@mademoiselledusfonctionell1609until you are told what you can and can't buy because you are not upto date with your jabs or have'nt stayed within your preset Carbon Footprint that is so kindly given to you by Big Brother. Sounds great..where do i sign..

[@phwbooth]

Public Records should not be altered. Full stop.

[@mademoiselledusfonctionell1609]

And IF they are altered (if it really were a tiny number), they should be altered in a way that clearly states what was originally true. The most incredible thing of all is (I have heard) that it is unlawful to ask to see a gender recognition certificate. And yet be shamed and worse) for not using the "right" (i.e. wrong) pronoun.

[@tiggywinkle5933]

It's great that this is being discussed, finally.

[@christinacorrigan-u1l]

What is?? Going round and round

[@godislove8740]

@@christinacorrigan-u1l straw men and women

[@standingbear998]

trouble is that there will be nothing else

[@Wendy_Truth11]

Except they want to bring in digital ID in via the back door, using the lies of gender ideology and the ridiculous laws that have been changed to accommodate the mentally ill who don't know what sex they are. FFS! BIG BROTHER will have his way whether you like it or not.

[@donquixote3927]

He's only mentioning it to support state snooping.

[@christinelennon1110]

You cannot change sex or date of ibirth ,A birh cert cannot be change

[@Wendy_Truth11]

It shouldn't be, but it is! It's so wrong.

[@janwhite6038]

​@Wendy_Truth11 very shocking

[@rokasdobrovolskis]

Tell that to Macron's husband.

[@catherineleslie-faye4302]

There are medical conditions that cause the male genetalia of a male to not show at birth where the male genetalia drops into place in early puberty... males with this condition are falsely labeled female at birth even though they have fuly functonal testicles by age 20..Do you want such males to be forced to live as females simply to suit your pov on who thye are?

[@ko0974]

Why were people allowed to change passports and licences in the very first place ,its an absolute disgrace, is it not a crime to forge Government ID and documents in the first place ??

[@ktwashere5637]

it makes a mockery of everything a passport is supposed to be about.

[@rensha8635]

Left lunacy

[@toni6053]

A rich (en)titled man was allowed to change sex on his passport back in the 50's which opened the door to this idiotic nonsense.

[@River10081]

Wonderful to hear Sex Matters accurately referred to as a human rights organization. Let the record show. ❤

[@Amie888-ws9lb]

I know I was not happy at the amount of male staff - natural and/or trans working on female psych wards. I felt heavily violated.

[@wollondillyargyle281]

Dearie me! Hasn't the UK got itself into pickle by being so woke?

[@sally-annestrawberry8360]

So Refreshing to hear this Logic, Common Sense and Wisdom. Very Rare attributes in this day and age ✌🏻🇬🇧Free All British Political Prisoners🇬🇧✌🏻

[@debbieg161]

Lovely to see Lord Abuthnot in action, dealing with important issues in a thoughful and informed manner ..... wish we had more like him.

[@thepuddlejumper500]

You cannot change your sex but you can call yourself whatever you like. In any case if you are in a car accident doctors need to know your sex as male and female physiology is important in how your injuries are treated.

[@tricky778]

Some people say your gender is your blood XX to XY ratio, you gonna put that on your driving license? How mad.

[@Enough_Is_Enough_Official]

That still enables nutty behaviour

[@tricky778]

@Enough_Is_Enough_Official no more nutty than deists, or saying things you read on the internet or in a newspaper

[@keepingitreal618]

@@Enough_Is_Enough_Officialdon’t accept it I certainly don’t.

[@ninamartin1084]

"Here my lords I am going to descend into controversy" is my new mantra.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

😸

[@Berlinetta-h7p]

It is sad he said this as it shouldn't be controversial...ya know, science has proven it and all...

[@Berlinetta-h7p]

Thank you Lord Arbuthnot.

[@toni6053]

People shouldn't be allowed to lie on legal records. T 5:19 he lie that people can change their sex needs to end across public bodies and services it is abhorrent that we are where we are.

[@lornocford6482]

Get rid of the GRC.

[@tarawhite4419]

Never interrupt your enemy when they're destroying themselves

[@glensmillie5101]

Sun Tzu?

[@zig_ziggy]

Sadly, digital data can be more easily tampered with than paper records.

[@brendawilliams8062]

It appears so

[@lynnemaclean7201]

Changing original certificate information is problematic in so many ways. eg. This will make it difficult for car insurance companies to set premiums. In Australia Women generally get a cheaper premium rate than men because male and female driving habits are different.

[@tricky778]

How are transgender driving habits?

[@toni6053]

No we don't, some man put a stop to that quite some time ago when he brought a sex discrimination case against insurance companies and very predictably what happened was instead of mens insurance premiums going down womens went up.

[@lynnemaclean7201]

@ I should have been more specific about which country. Where I am in Australia women still get cheaper car insurance 🙂

[@lynnemaclean7201]

@ I have edited my original post to reflect Australian 🙂

[@elenaraps6612]

If one data can be changed then other details can surely also be changed! Digital data is not secure!

[@jakez5894]

People who present as a different sex than their actual sex should be able to obtain extra paperwork showing their transgender status, but it should not alter their birth certificate in any way.

[@lornocford6482]

Everyone has a view of themselves. It's irrelevant to legal documents and everyone else.

[@toni6053]

For what purpose? All legal documents should be accurate and represent the truth and the truth is nobody can change their sex.

[@melodymoore9765]

What happened to any type of courageous honesty in our CIVIL SERVICE?

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Yes, Minister

[@annebroome1758]

Love this man, love the elegant way he says it like it is! Also love the good women of Sex Matters, similarly elegant telling it like it

[@janwhite6038]

Is he promoting digital ID?

[@sandrarios2253]

We are heading for genetic sex testing. What should be recorded at birth is whether you are XX or XY. Since whether you are either XX or XY and that cannot be changed n o matter what, this is the information that should appear on all your records.

[@sonmi2246]

Not to be pedantic, but I think this is actually really important bc it is a confusion that TRAs will often take the opportunity to exploit: while the normal karyotype for human males and females is XY or XX, respectively, sex determination in humans really comes down to the *absence* or *presence* of a Y/functional SrY. For example: a woman with an X0 karyotype (a chromosomal abnormality known as Turner's Syndrome) is still very much female-- despite lacking a second X, she still does not possess a Y/SrY, thus she has still gone down the female developmental pathway. Likewise, a man with an XXY karyotype (a chromosomal abnormality known as Klinefelter's Syndrome) is still very much a male-- despite the second X, he still possesses a Y/SrY, and thus his body has gone down the male developmental pathway. Moreover, chromosomes are just the way in sex is *determined* in our particular species (and many others), but it is not how reproductive sex is *defined* : foundationally, reproductive sex-- whether we are male or female-- is down to whether our bodies are structurally and functionally organized around the production of sperm or ova; the absence or presence of a Y/SrY in one's genotype is simply what determines the development of that organization in utero, and continuing into puberty. Again, I say this with all due respect and not to be pedantic: I think straightening up this point, and better grounding a coherent understanding of reproductive sex, is the best defence against this "well, what about such and such chromosomal abnormality?!" that TRAs love to throw out whenever anyone attempts to define reproductive sex as XX or XY.

[@princessmay9921]

What a fuss!

[@markaddley1559]

​@@sonmi2246 I would be asking what has caused these abnormalities, is it natural to the species or is there something in the outside environment that has caused this genetic mutations not that I know anything about it but there's always causes and affect ✝️

[@tricky778]

Genetic records at birth?! Yikes

[@blackdog1392]

Biological sex should be determined biologically not legally.

[@Colours01-c5r]

We all know in this brave new world that history and facts are being overwritten.

[@JuliePip]

This is an absolute disgrace 🤬

[@MAGNUM2F]

Absolutely disgraceful.

[@melodymoore9765]

Thank you. I’m a qualified Registered Staff Nurse. Biology is biology. For females suffering from Breast Cancer, the NHS was instructed to say CHEST CANCER.

[@nickjung7394]

So just Who ordered this? They must be held accountable for their actions!

[@tricky778]

@@melodymoore9765 by whom? I mean, you could send an order in the post yourself and it would 'have been ordered' but nobody should have to care about that.

[@toni6053]

The NHS has become a law unto itself as regards 'gender'. I lost the last bit of trust I had for them when I was lied to about female intimate care and came around to a male nurse in woman face!

[@lornocford6482]

Describing breasts as chest is ridiculous as they're different parts of the body. Plus, even if it's to align with gender ideology, a lot of those men grow their mamory gland and get breasts. Even normal men can get breast cancer as males have breast tissue.

[@jframe-os2zi]

How ridiculous. Does the Male body have nipples? YES! Men have breasts, they function differently to a Female. That's all. Why start changing the language to suite Idiot Thinking. Back in the Day... we had a cheeky saying, describing someone "AS USELESS AS TITS ON A BULL!". All Mammalian animals have nipples/breasts! just different function.

[@Renee-kk1hf]

The WEF is over

[@lw1zfog]

down but not out, please keep kicking

[@skufty]

They are still trying to push their garbage. We are still under full attack.

[@stu176mmm]

What about those who appear off inflatable boats from France?

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

What about them 🤷😂 you're on the wrong thread mate 😆

[@petergaskin1811]

Who represent only a tiny fraction of nett migration into this Country. So what's your point?

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

@@petergaskin1811 you really are in the wrong place! Have you even bothered to watch the film,or are you just trolling around looking for somewhere to dump ?

[@juliebrady8583]

No records with them so presumably they will be able to register as anything they feel like.

[@marcodarko6941]

How lovely!! I have always felt like a little monkey can I migrate over there on a raft and sign myself up as Curious George??​ 🐒 @@juliebrady8583

[@davesnowdon3869]

Compassion is the vice of Kings!

[@7hilladelphia]

Not just the chain of provenence but 😮 😢 if the power gets cut: its useless.

[@ronmacfarlane110]

Can you change chromosomes?

[@mademoiselledusfonctionell1609]

Hear, hear!

[@ruperterskin2117]

Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.

[@paintsilj]

You should be stronger in your language. Be more upfront and make it clear that these are lies. You are part of the problem otherwise

[@standingbear998]

call the overseers of the records

[@christinacorrigan-u1l]

So digital recording will do what now for women???

[@IimmanSdexterXan]

it`s a tool for the wanna be controllers. on paper too many had the option of hard copies. a beast today yet less silent nor visible. Got some History. Safe.

[@NeilThomson-f7t]

Well, at least we won't have to wait long for these guys to be gone.

[@1664smudge]

Until your using blockchain technologies digital verification is flawed,you cannot change information on the blockchain but in saying that hackers are a serious threat with AI technology coming to the forefront,and once quantum computing is perfected well let’s say Norton anti virus ain’t going to cut it.

[@brendawilliams8062]

Hackers are evidence. When will that end

[@stephenmason5682]

If a change is requested then any official records certificates or ID such as Passport or Licences could easilly state Born Sex / LIVING as sex.

[@lornocford6482]

The only time any marker is needed is to say that someone has had genital surgery as that would be relevant in a strip search. An asterisk could be put by the F or M marker to show this.

[@StanleypeterDickinson]

I identify as a redeemed sinner. Citizen of heaven. Don't Look Back In Anger Noel Noel No hell Born is the King of Israeli Virgin

[@eileenspamer-kw3kz]

tell the gov NOWT

[@Saturntabbytype2]

A digital ID ,HA ,marking what the beast is human makes no fundamental changes to the fact that many politicians think that we are from space and we are tethered by words and letters a down sizing of human potential we are the universe.

[@ElizabethStiglet]

Only the devil would think he could convince Gods people that He was wrong on sex!!! Judgement is due for righteousness of Jesus Christ!!! 🎉❤

[@newagetemplar6100]

I tend to disagree, he who creates owns apparently , according to Law ( Land Air Water and the word originated from the word Lore ) . The legal system originated from the RC church, and in their mind their God created everything. So in the weird world of legalese why would the Vatican make itself a tax free sovereign state? . Not really fair on the ‘ citizens’ of the ‘state’ . The Roman Empire was renowned for its slave trade and they created a legal infrastructure around slavery , commerce and debt. That’s why your birth certificate has a Christian name, that birth certificate is not you as a living human, it is in fact a trust . You are merely a beneficiary of that trust. The state owns and created the trust so are entitled to an income from its earnings ( taxes) . Search the legal definitions of the following… Mortgage Signature Council Parson Must Register Consent Citizen Grantor Government . I do however totally agree that there are only 2 sexes , what I can’t quite work out is why is the RC church and King Charles supporting the illegals. At the same time the ‘government’ are promoting other religions in favour of the Christian church and promoting selling off land with Christian churches on them . Land probably paid for via donations from its followers and ‘registered’ on the ‘state’s’ land registry. By the way you land / property that you think you may own is not actually yours, your deeds will make that clear if you got a solicitor to explain it in layman’s terms. A solicitor by the way that has swore an oath to a certain organisation. Peace and love from a free spirit atheist to a Christian . 😉🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Renee-kk1hf]

No digital Is ever

[@BilliesCraftRoom]

would more specifc question moake this simpler. for example 'sex recorded at birth'. then additional questions relating to gender identity.

[@becrobinson2387]

WEF puppets

[@darcebrooks5409]

don't let this divide on the gender topic distract you and take autonomy away from the individual's rights

[@andrear4954]

❤

[@bellaanis7157]

If may share my perspective on topic related which effect on relevant work and life experience so do professional career growth. UNIVERSAL meaning; Sex Sex is the biological trait that determines whether a sexually reproducing organism produces male or female gametes. Sex refers to biological differences between males and females (e.g. gonads, sexual organs, chromosomes, hormones). Sex is usually assigned at birth (there are examples when it is assigned later, when sex characteristics do not clearly indicate the sex of the baby, for example in the case of 'intersex' people). Gender Gender is a social construct that refers to the characteristics, behaviors, and expectations associated with being a woman, man, girl, or boy. If could look other example or clinical perspective; The World Health Organisation summarises the difference between sex and gender in the following way: Sex Sex refers to “the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females, such as reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones, etc.” Gender Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men - such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed. The concept of gender includes five important elements: relational, hierarchical, historical, contextual and institutional. While most people are born either male or female, they are taught appropriate norms and behaviours - including how they should interact with others of the same or opposite sex within households, communities and work places. When individuals or groups do not “fit” established gender norms they often face stigma, discriminatory practices or social exclusion - all of which adversely affect health17.” MALE and FEMALE or BOY and Girl The 🌎 have more important features and issues to be addressed and need more attention for consideration rather than pleasing the idea that from nature need to respect and priorities for. To my understanding, defend transgender rights is to defend the right to choose how one expresses gender and gender identity. Does the law states that transwomen are women? Does the law actually say this? My short answer is no: the law doesn’t define the terms “transwoman” or “trans woman” at all. When working towards gender equality, it's important to be aware that interventions to challenge gender norms can result in backlash and harm. However, these transgressions can eventually lead to sustainable change also might effects on the potential progress. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 does change some people’s legal sex. Obviously the law can’t change anyone’s biological sex. The fact that the law can’t mess with material reality is the point Canute was making when he forbade the tide to come in. But section 9 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 has the effect that some trans women (i.e. the very small number who hold a GRC - only a few thousand to date) are deemed for most legal purposes to be women, although exceptions apply. In short, the Equality Act does recognise that although sex is usually a bad and arbitrary reason for treating people differently, there are contexts in which biological sex matters. But it’s important to note that that doesn’t mean that trans women are entitled to be treated for all purposes as if they were biological women. If a trans woman who doesn’t have a GRC wants to access a female-only space, and is refused access, that’s not discrimination on grounds of gender reassignment, but discrimination on grounds of sex. MAN and WOMAN or MEN and WOMEN THE END 🧬🧠♾️ ⌛®️⚖️

[@greghight954]

No need for women to take their spouses last name. It just confuses records and is pointless.

[@clogs4956]

You can change your name legally in most countries.

[@lisamoag6548]

Good for the children, all have the same name under the protection of the Husband. Better for the children’s mother, as well. I testify. I have experienced both circumstances. Thank you Grana Rose

[@lisamoag6548]

Also, I do retain the maiden name of my Father. As needed in (. ). For example for reunion addresses, etc.

[@adella-zw9nv]

NHS do this and I'm told they can't change it which makes get my medical health needs met has become so psychological so dangerous they're using loop hole's I have no belief in the NHS like the police said it morally wrong but it's not against the law and QMC said they can't do anything for me I have to live with the consequences of the lies say I am I'm refuse medical treatment on the grounds that I need a crazy or I need to see a psychiatrist before I can only physical needs met because of recycled problems with being let down by the services but nothing ever changes year and year out just the years get longer

[@petergaskin1811]

Please. Please. Please learn about punctuation.

[@adella-zw9nv]

I'm dyslexic I am sorry​@@petergaskin1811

[@adella-zw9nv]

​@@petergaskin1811 sorry I'm dyslexic

[@Anna-vl4ju]

Whatever you are trying to say is lost in an unintelligible mess of words.

[@adella-zw9nv]

@Anna-vl4ju sorry I'm dyslexic

[@wollondillyargyle281]

a pickle