Threadripper 3000: Better Cooler For Faster Renders?

[@KapnKuTT]

I am cooling my imaginary Threadripper System with my tears, as I have built an Intel Workstation last year.

[@JensHove]

I don't give a shit about other people, but damn, that's rough.

[@johnnychang4233]

A Tear-on?

[@isbestlizard]

oh that must hurt, when a 3950X on an am4 is outbenching you :

[@arieloq]

Well at least you have a workstation... (Simon and Garfunkel start playing The Sound of Silence in the background...)

[@necktwister666]

RTearX on

[@ThisIsAGoodUserNameToo]

This isn't a failure, this is good data!

[@devvynully]

Dear RAM Manufacturers, Please stop adding non-removable LEDs and heat spreaders.

[@Outland9000]

This!

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

@0:18 There will be no "flame wars for years to come". Leaking water coolers will extinguish the fires.

[@BillLambert]

I did exactly this to my 3970X. Started out with a 280 AIO, it would immediately hit 80+ temps under load and my max boost was around 3.9 - super noisy of course. I switched to a full derp 2x360 and 1x240 loop, now I boost up to 4.4 and temps stay at 60 even after hours of abuse, and all you ever hear is the pump since the fans are below 1000rpm. I'm seeing roughly 13% gains across various workloads. Was it worth the $1000 I spent on the loop ? Probably not, but I didn't need the TR in the first place so this entire build is me being financially irresponsible in the name of nerd boner maximisation.

[@johnbancroft5242]

I built my custom loop 5 years ago. for my 8 core i7 5960x X99 workstation. 2x480 and 1x240 rads. plus EK waterblocks on the GPU's. currently have a 16 core 1950X Threadripper in there. but my new 24 core 3960X is due to arrive tomorrow (21/02/2020). I've had to change the D5 pumps a few times over the last 5 years. but my temps are always good when doing long video renders and transcodes etc. Running Davinci Resolve for 4K/6K Braw and Fusion. Once you build a good open loop. it just works. PS just upgraded the fans to Noctual Industrial version 3000rpm capable, bit louder but wanted to keep this bad boy cool.

[@ViperGremory]

​@@johnbancroft5242 It is very interesting to know what temperature you got while working with 3960x and stock settings? Did you try to overclock your CPU, if so, what frequency you reach and what was maximum temperature? It's just that I'm planning a system with 3970X and try overclocking up to 4.3~4.5GHz on all cores, but I'm not sure that 480x2 rads with fans less than 1200RPM and single D5 will be enough to maintain acceptable temperatures in the full cores and threads load (~70°C). I'm sorry if what I wrote is not quite clear, English is not my native language... I am trying to learning him :)

[@johnbancroft5242]

@@ViperGremory Still waiting for the Ram to arrive from Amazon. will be building the PC over the weekend.

[@HangYuriYangFX]

@@johnbancroft5242 How would you recommend for someone who is trying to build a 3990X setup?

[@katieranjon2835]

@@HangYuriYangFX bonjour j'ai créer cette configuration AMD 3990X, asus rog zenith ii extreme alpha, trident z neo 3600 cl14 64gb, asus rog strix helios gx601. il monte trop haut en température AIO asus rog ryujin 360, je vais remplacer par enermax liqtech 360 tr4 ii eau et gaz réfrigérants. QUI PEUT M AIDER ?

[@timcarpenter2441]

It’s not “wasting time”, because you have established facts that people can use.

[@JonnyB1989]

I have a Watercool Heatkiller IV TR4-Pro as a cpu block and a MO RA 3 radiator. Reaching a steady state takes a long time.

[@solidreactor]

The main thing about this video is NOT about which cooler is best, it's about knowledge sharing. You are an excellent teacher in technology and I have learned an interesting correlation about CPU cooling and power draw. What I'm trying to say is that you have not wasted any time, thanks for sharing.

[@anonpers0n]

Your honor I'd like to enter this in as evidence of Wendel's intellectual honesty. Also no clickbait, also correct physics...

[@jotunheim5302]

Nvidia: Did someone say PhysX?

[@DS-pk4eh]

I have ARCTIC Freezer 33 TR, got it for 35$ (normal price then). it went up now. Super satisfied with this one. I bought it as a place holder for water cooling AIO that I wanted to buy for 1950x, but simply never saw a need for one. So that saved me more than 100 bucks.

[@MarkWebbPhotography]

Cooling my 3960x in the Dark Base Pro 900 with the Noctua NH-U14S TR4 (NT-H1 paste) and my temps are staying in the low-mid 70’s now at full tilt with Lightroom photo processing. I do have 7 total noctua fans, 3 front intakes, one top intake, one bottom intake, one exhaust. Single fan on the cooler since mine was making a loud noise with push/pull configuration (tried with low-noise adapter but that didn’t fix it either.) Most say it only shaves off a degree but I can say that this is quieter than cooling my 9900k with the Corsair H110i and stock fans. Hooked on this whisper quiet setup that is 3 times faster for rendering. Totally worth the investment for working pros.

[@MarkWebbPhotography]

Thermal Grizzly knocked off 1.2°C

[@DrearierSpider1]

Just got an NH-D15 for Christmas, and the noise profile has really won me over for air cooling (came from an old 240mm AIO). I can't speak for Threadripper, but I can't see myself going to liquid unless my next CPU is an inferno (think FX 9590 or OC'd Skylake-X heat).

[@fredEVOIX]

TR is a completely different world, setups than handled a 9900k@5.1Ghz no problem aren't enough even for the base 3960x I mean it's simple you basically generate double or more watts so you need well double the cooling to go back to the temp/noise ratio you had on a gaming build

[@progste]

Even after a few years hearing "4.5 GHz on 32 cores" still makes me smile! Man, you really need to improve your tags, I had a hard time looking for reviews of the Be Quiet! until i realized you had one.

[@pockster2854]

This video is exactly what I was looking for and here it is! Thanks Wendell for the TRX40 mobos as well!!!

[@ElijahPerrin80]

Thank you for this video, not a waste of time. This shows me where to sink money and where to accept it is good enough. Well done. Case ventilation is the key

[@TitelSinistrel]

I'm really happy that Arctic is getting some attention. I've used them in the past and they have allways been the best bang for the buck you can get. Good to see them getting some mainsteam attention.

[@plaisthos]

2:55 The Enermax LiqTech 360. I had one. It was great while it lasted. But I seem to have had especially bad luck since it failed in just 4-5 months for me. One and half year ago, there was no good AIO alternative, so I ended up building a custom loop. I would have hoped that by now there would be a good alternative or that Enermax had fix their problem but it seems like you still don't have a good overall solution like a LiqTech 360 without problems.

[@fotmheki]

On cooling is a matter of few degrees for every choices. Thermal paste, type of metal, fans volume/pressure etc. As heat has to been dissipated thought different mediums, in my opinion, it should looks as a whole. You can save some money on every step involved in cooling but in the end than can be like 10~14 C difference and everyone should think if this delta is worth it in terms of performance, noise level and appearance (whatever you want to prioritize). Beside that, at 0:44 10980XE it's showed as 16 cores instead of 18.

[@squirt626]

4:42 "Warrenty" "Prince" O.o

[@davidgunther8428]

You could cheat and get your loop to heat up faster by slowing the fans down for the first bit until the fluid heats up mostly. Maybe to 45C or something. Otherwise you approach the steady state temperature of the loop very slowly. Could even run it until the chip hits 85C, then turn the fans up and see if the loop will pull it off thermal throttling and bring the power use up to 290W again.

[@itsdeonlol]

I will always appreciate this Wendell! Thanks sir!

[@SteveP1978]

I don't understand why companies aren't making full plate AIOs that cover the entire 3rd gen Threadripper chip. I think the 1st company that does that and use good coolant that wont contaminate over a month will definitely bank on that product. I installed a 360 AIO by Corsair and during hard rendering its reaching in the low 80s which at this point i will just deal with because i don't want a custom loop in my system.

[@johngermain5146]

Good Job comparing TR coolers, yes, it's like waiting for water to boil but facts are facts. Appreciate it.

[@stefanklass6763]

not all the electric energy is gonna end up as heat in your room, some of the RGB light from your pc might shine out of your window.

[@justdrewit2219]

Luckily found your channel. I have a threadripper system and it's hard to find good info out there. Thanks for doing this!

[@Trooper_Ish]

This was a really nice journey, Thanks Wendell!

[@samiraperi467]

Equilibrium, not hysteresis. Hysteresis is something completely different.

[@Phynellius]

yeah, hysteresis is more of a concern in terms of heat when you're talking about a transformer

[@Bordpie]

@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap I think the way Wendel said it was confusing, he said "to reach an hysteresis" when I think he meant "because of hysteresis" unless he was talking about reaching a hysteresis curve (workload v temperature) from a cool start.

[@davidgunther8428]

It's not equilibrium, it's steady state. By hysteresis I think he meant how the power consumption would latch down to a lower level if the cooling was insufficient.

[@samiraperi467]

@@davidgunther8428 Which would still be equilibrium. Hysteresis is a certain "slowness" in reacting ro changes so the system doesn't adjust constantly but only when conditions have changed enough.

[@davidgunther8428]

@@samiraperi467 a CPU cooler is in steady state, not equilibrium, unless the CPU is off. Hysteresis is dependence of how a system will react based on its past, but we could both look up the definition. It doesn't have to be slow, it is great to reduce chatter and chaotic oscillation though, maybe that's what you mean by slowing?

[@TimestormFilms]

I just ordered a custom EK loop. I was concered first that I would regret it.

[@BRUXXUS]

I mean... if you can spare the money for a custom loop, it's absolutely worth it. Super quiet, very good cooling, and you'll be able to reuse the parts for years and years.

[@smithjones1906]

I'm still using my now somewhat ancient NZXT 2x 140mm air cooler. Good thing this tech hasn't changed that much. Fan mounts are totally dry rotted, will need to replace with rubber bands or something next time I remove the fans. I entirely plan on keeping it for my next build as well, so it will see 4-5 different builds in its lifetime.

[@landwolf00]

Wendell is amazing at drawing graphs 😂

[@Termiux]

When testing cooler you should standardize on a value to effectively test efficiency among them. @GamerNexus uses a decibel limit (40db), you could also use something life CFM, but those all need to be executed at that same value of this variable to properly compare them, not to mention set all values to static on the UEFI (for voltages, disabling PBO, etc). Without doing this things there are way too many variables to accurately determine one is better than another one. Got to say yeah in a comparison way you did wasted the time but one can always learn from the mistakes ;)

[@olo398]

steve is disappointed in wendell

[@deedas]

My second Enermax Liqballs II is starting to get high temps. I'm tempted to crack it open, clean it and refill it, but since I spent over 3000 on the components inside I don't wanna risk messing that up. I looked into a custom loop from EK but I could almost buy a 2080ti for that price. So I'm down to getting the noctua NH-U14S TR4 with chromax accessories or the be quiet dark rock pro TR4. Edit: Reaching the end of the video I now see I have a third choice. Hmm.

[@matthewstott3493]

Sounds like when it comes to not overclocking, it's more about maintenance of a water cooling system. All you've got to worry about with air is dust. But water cooling can leak or become contaminated and does require changing the fluids and keeping an eye on it. Nightmare scenario would be a leak which causes damage.

[@P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV]

With rising core counts and higher energy density, it's really time loop heatpipes make an entrance into the consumer pc market. Since the evaporator is basically a vapour chamber, the heat dissipation and spread on the CPU is much better. Especially when direct die cooling. Once the loop heatpipe is going, even in a thin tube, you can transport multiple kW of power. And the flexibility gives us the opportunity to make computer cases that are essentially just a massive heatsink. We could have condensators for 500 W in small form factor cases with just 10 l. Or full size towers with 1.5 - 3 kW. It's really a shame nobody wants to invest the time and money into developing the CPU block for such a system. It's really just the block itself, which needs a fluid-optimized dual-wick structure, channels and a reservoir. All the other parts of the loop are low-tech.

[@benmol_]

Can you test an air cooler with high-speed / industrial fans ? Definitely louder but with a good case the results may be impressive

[@Alexandra-Rex]

A comment on the exposure/grading, the shadows are quite dark/black. Very little details in the dark areas.

[@zuesmondo1]

Great video, one big problem with academia is that no one publishes their failures. People can pursue research and failing/non-meaningfull results in the same way and no one knows.

[@WatsitTooyah]

At 7:45 the background reminds me of particles.js, a little script I found and used on a website for school to make this type of effect.

[@junkerzn7312]

Ooh, I wanted to see just this. I've been staging the gear for a 3990X build, getting it all ready for the cpu and my cooler of choice was the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3. Well, I already bought it, so I was a little surprised that it lost out to the other tower coolers (if only by a few seconds). That could just be air-flow, though, so your tests solidify my other decisions for the case. I'll be going with a two-fan design on the cooler and a case exhaust fan in addition to the case intake fans, all front-to-back. All big fans. hysteresis.... hys-ter-e-ses. "hist" "ter" "ree" "sys". Sorry, that drove me nuts :-). I'm guilty of the same sort of gaffs, sometimes. Once I kept saying 'Urinary' in front of a crowd instead of 'Unary' and hadn't even realized it. Oops! -Matt

[@MarkWebbPhotography]

I’m getting average of 70c on full load with peaks around 76c with this setup and 3960x. I went back to a single fan on the NH-U14S since it makes a pretty strange noise and there wasn’t much benefit there. Nearly silent at low 40 decibels

[@jamerican347]

I’m trying to solve this tower/fan cooler vs liquid cooler for 3950x

[@sinizzl]

Massive air cooler > AIO. AIOs have their place in small/crowded cases or for GPUs but a fat noctua will almost always be on par with a beefy AIO whilst offering much better longevity and warranty.

[@BRUXXUS]

@Xtreme Performance Another benefit of doing a custom open loop is that you can be pretty sure you'll be able to reuse most of the parts for a LONG time. Fittings, pump, res, CPU block, rad should all last many many years.

[@verafice]

@socketus popetus same here on NH-D15 + liquid metal, cpu is very cool on stock settings, like rarely goes above 60 on all core loads, but with an OC and that higher power draw it'll hit 85 in 1-2 seconds and slowly trend towards 90. cooler stays relatively cold to the touch for a long time, so it's like the heatpipes can't pull the heat off fast enough, doesn't seem to matter much how fast or slow I run the fans. A CLC leak murdered my previous board so I'll probably just deal with this though. Kinda curious if a NH-U12A might even work better due to the 7 heatpipes but not enough so to throw money away.

[@franciscodeaguirre1754]

I hate liquid cooler, you have to do maintenance...dude, this is A COMPUTER, TECHNOLOGY, NOT A CAR !!! WE NEED SOLUTIONS, NO MORE PROBLEMS.

[@jamerican347]

Francisco De Aguirre I went with a beQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4. Awesome cooler. Very quiet.

[@redwanhasan1721]

Perfect choice for winter!

[@azurethessian]

Much appreciated. I'm using custom loops for all my systems so it's not really an issue what to use, but it's nice analysis. If you get the impression that this whole video was waste of time then... Wendell you pointed out to much desired testing subject. How RAM speed influences new TR 3xxx performance. Another little bit is testing 8 stick kits. Most QVL doesn't really focus on that. You get your 8 sticks kit anyway and then Zonk! it doesn't work. Question is, what for all new TRX40 boards have 8 slots when system is much more stable, predictable and quicker (because of CL) with 4x 32GB sticks than with 8x 16 GB. In a way I love what EVGA did on its Dark SR-3 (and Dark X299) or whatever the name. Dump not needed RAM slots, rotate CPU socket, Profit! Ok, not really, it's 3175-X. LOL

[@malteroeper3723]

@1:11 you are saying you are generating 425 watt of heat but you got the meter set to VA not Watts so you actually didnt draw that much - it was actually a little bit less than got wasted to heat

[@_intrepid]

I'm cooling 2990WX with the Enermax, I dread the day it gunks up but when I bought it, that was pretty much the only good option.

[@vcjester]

So what you're saying is that better cooling allows the cpu to hold a boost frequency longer, since heat is part of the boost algorithm. If your income revolves around something like rendering large videos, the higher boost speeds gets more work done per hour, which amounts to more income per hour, and the $500 custom loop investment pays for itself..

[@catsspat]

Throwing in a lighted match to flame wars for year to come.

[@esra_erimez]

The correct past tense is "lit" not "lighted". :-)

[@kevinhunter7581]

5 red markers? AMD shill confirmed

[@JackBender]

Could you share what thermal compound you used for your tests? Was it the same compound all along?

[@Steveindajeep]

I like the video but you should have also tested an AIO as well as a custom loop. I dont think there is anyone on the planet that thinks a tower cooler will beat a custom loop (in performance). A tower besting an AIO...yeah, i can see that happening.

[@mauldus]

I like that you used power consumption to measure performance.

[@twistidclowns]

Thanks for taking one for the team big F for your time tho

[@klontjespap]

my wallet always tells me "tower cooler" 30-40 bucks will get you somewhere... ok prolly 70-90 for a TR, but still... a bunch of heatpipes and a delta cooler will get you somewhere

[@rainmaker6217]

Well, yeah. Still though, with these CPU's we are nearing the very limit of what can be done with tower coolers no matter the size. There is also the fact that water cooling is easier than ever (just get a compact setup and do ZMT/norprene tubing rather than hardline) so as crazy as this would have sounded a few years ago, custom loops can actually be seen as a viable option given the correct circumstances. I'll always go for a custom loop on anything and everything, but thats just me being me.

[@rainmaker6217]

@Advocatus Diaboli This isn't he first revision of the EK block, the newer ones are not that bad (as in the original which were just a ek supremacy with a larger plate on the bottom). I never shy away of praising watercool though, they are by far the best watercooling company out there as far as quality goes (Aquacomputer comes close, but still not as good).

[@rainmaker6217]

​@@emeraldbonsai Ok a few things here that you don't seem to have taken in to consideration: 1. Tower coolers do not beat all AIOs or even CLCs for that matter (I'm assuming that is the specific type you are refering to), they are on par with 240mm CLCs and are beaten by 360mm radiators and above (of which quite a few are starting to show up in the market). 2. The reason 360mm CLCs beat most tower coolers is plain down to surface area, the tower coolers are hitting a wall as far as size goes and it's going to be very difficult to get around that. Especially if you want to cool one of the HEDT platforms which feature memory banks on both sides of the CPU socket. They are also closing in on weight issues which will have to be aleviated somehow (just like they were when CPUs started implementing IHS's back in the day to aleviate that issue) which can be seen on the Skylake platform which has had issues with their thinner IHS, this particular issue is not going to get better with increasing weights from larger tower coolers. Now as far as money vs sense, I was particularily talking about the high end platforms here (think i9 HEDT and Threadripper). We are closing in on a density that is getting problematic to deal with as far as holding turbo frequencies over time, which tower coolers can struggle to deal with due to their inherent size limitations. In an ideal world air cooling far beats out watercooling simply due to the points of failure that watercooling introduces to the mix. A closed system (CLC) is better at this than most custom open setups, but the issues with most (if not all) CLCs is that they come with sub par components compared to a "custom loop". EKWB, Alphacool and Swiftech gets around this somewhat, but their solutions can not stricktly be called "closed loops" and are more in line of "open loop" AIOs (Thinking of the Alphacool Eisbaer/Eiswolf, Swiftech Drive X, and EKWB Predator/Phoenix lines of technically "closed loop" but in reality "open loop" units). They also don't use the very best components, but far superseeds the likes of CoolIT and Asetek. A simple open loop "custom" setup will also not be all that expensive if all you care about is performance as compared to aestetics, 200-300$ should be entirelly possible for a CPU only loop. In conclusion, I'm not saying that tower coolers are useless (far from it). However some CPUs now have so much heat to dump out that they are going to strugle to move that away quickly enough due to the inherent size limitations of the design. So yes I am still sticking to my point about custom watercooling actually starting to make sense in some setups. Edit: Just fixing some sentences and correcting my grammar, all the points are the same as the original post.

[@rainmaker6217]

@@emeraldbonsai Subzero cooling? I'm not going to say that there isn't people who "daily drive" their CPUs with Phaze change cooling or chillers, but that is hardly something that should be used in the scenarios that you point out. As for the nhd15 beating everything... It's a good cooler and likely one of the best tower coolers out there, but it still struggles to beat the 360mm CLCs. As fro why the 360mm+ CLC isn't beating them by more, it's purely down to straight out bad pumps utilized by Asetek (which is the OEM for nearly all CLCs out there). The units from Swiftech, Alphacool (Some of their units suck, but some don't) and EKWB don't have that issue, or at the very least it's not even close to as pronounced (The type of fans that are mounted on the CLC also matter a lot). As far as pricing goes a 200-300$ custom loop is entirelly doable, it will not be all that fancy but it will perform well. Honestly, my whole point here is that depending on the specific CPU that you have you might actually get a benefit from using a "custom" loop. I'm not saying it makes sense for everyone, but it does for some and jsut ignoring that seems somewhat ill-conceived.

[@rainmaker6217]

@@emeraldbonsai All the units I listed are "AIO" and even "CLC" as far as the defenition goes. AIO is an abreviation for "All in One" and refers to loops that have all the needed parts pre installed, CLC is refering to "Closed Loop Cooler" meaning that the unit is pre sealed from the factory and not expected to be serviced. The Units I listed fill both criteria, but can be expanded thus raising some qeustions as to how "closed" they really are. Now as to the pricing of the unit which you seem to constantly bring up, you can indeed spend thousands of dollars for a custom loop. Yet there is no need to do so, and you should be able to cover the CPU cooling itself for something in the ballpark of 200-300 dollars for a threadripper system, there is even kits that make this even cheaper than that if you have a more mainsream CPU (The Threadrippers need specific blocks due to their size, 115x, 2011 and Am4 can make due with the blocks in the kits). If you are getting one of these CPUs then you are spending past 1000$ on the CPU alone and the extra 100-200$ needed for a proper loop is trivial in the scope of it all. Yet it may very well make sense if you want a system that is well cooled for every day use. (Here is an example of a cheap setup for threadripper with emphasis on cheap for: imgur.com/zvTDiTD ) As far as failure rates... The only difference between air coolers and water cooling, as far as moving parts go is the pump. Asetek and CoolIT pumps suck, which is why they fail every now and then in CLCs. Custom cooling would hopefully utilize something better (though the example IO gave isn't using the best quality one, but another 50$ and it easily could). Both Air coolers and watercooling have fans which do fail regularily, in fact they all have a set life expectancy just like the water pumps (which is one of the reasons why turning your PC off rather than keeping it on is actually a good idea) As for the maintenance... CLCs aim to aleviate that issue, but the main maintenance in a custom loop is the fluid change and that can also be significantly extended with the use of matching components (dont mix silver and nickel in a loop, and so on) as well as utilizing a higher quality coolant mix like Koolance 702 which is recomended to be changed every 3 years (though significantly longer can be achived if you don't really care). As far as regular coolants go... doing a quick fluid swap every 1-2 years is not that difficult, it's also highly likely that you are going to be working on your PC some time in that timeframe anyways which means you can just do it then. Again, I'm not arguing that everyone should get a custom loop here, I'm simply saying that with these super dense CPUs we are closing in on a point where custom watercooling makes sense. Don't forget that there is a 64core Threadripper on the way as well, which is going to further increase the amount of heat output.

[@TazoLatte]

I think it comes down to did you have enough left in your budget for a good water cooler? No then get a great tower cooler. But if like to think if your going threadripper you know you have to cool a monster but it's a happy monster if properly cared for.

[@ewenchan1239]

But the question remains - which of the tower coolers is better for Threadripper? I know that you said that you LIKE that last one, but how do the others perform in terms of temperatures, and/or total system power consumption and/or rendering times?

[@WayStedYou]

I think you have to go with an EK loop if you were going 64 cores, you wont get all the performance out of it without proper cooling after already dropping 4 grand on the cpu alone

[@bgtubber]

The 64-core 3990x has the same TDP as the 32-core and the 24-core - 280W. So if these coolers can cool the 3970x fine at stock, I think they should be able to cool the 3990x without losing performance too.

[@Inspector_420]

im in the tower coller team. but as i play a lot in my machine, i think it would be nice to only have to deal with the space a water block takes with an AIO.

[@StariusPrime]

I'm trying to plan a new workstation build with upcoming Zen 3 Threadrippers in mind. The problem is that my cooler height will be limited to no more than 160mm. I really didn't want to mess with a water loop at all, but I don't have many options. Will a Noctua NH-U12S TR4-SP3 in dual fan configuration be enough for a Zen 3 Threadripper I wonder? I don't know.. I hope we see some new candidates come out in the market.

[@mannyc19]

Great music. Great comparison Wendell.

[@angel_bunny]

Air cooling my baby threadripper, making my workflow vastly faster.

[@ou1814]

With what cooler exactly?

[@angel_bunny]

@@ou1814 Dark rock pro 4 (again, baby threadripper, so 3950x)

[@ou1814]

@@angel_bunny Oooh. I thought 3970x or 3960x. Trying to find air cooling solution for them.

[@angel_bunny]

@@ou1814 Something to look into then is the TR4 edition of the dark rock pro!

[@SomeTechGuy666]

I just set up a 3600X machine. Because I needed a faster machine immediately and I couldn't get a 3990X and I couldn't justify a TR. I've now got core addiction. These processors are unreal. I want more cores. I'll upgrade to a 3950X when they become available and the price goes down a bit. Or maybe I'll wait for a 4950X.

[@MichaelPohoreski]

CumminsSuperduty1 I think I'll join you in the _Cores for Cheap_ addiction group therapy! I have a 1920X, 2950X, and 3960X. I don't even want to think about the 4900s!

[@SomeTechGuy666]

@@MichaelPohoreski My old processor was a quad core i7. And it was OK, but as I try to run more and more stuff, especially running 2 screens, one of which is 4K, it just didn't have enough power. With the 3600X, I can have a process or two running in the background and things are still fluid. It also probably helps that my OS is on an NVME SSD versus a SATA SSD on my old machine. But these people who say you never need more than 8, 12 or 16 cores don't know how to multi task ! gcc -j8 would use half of a 3950X alone ! Then there are the 20 Firefox instances with 6 to 20 tabs open at once, Eclipse, PDFs, application stress tests, etc. Maybe gamers only need 6 cores, but I could certainly use at least 16. The Ryzen 4000s can ship fast enough.

[@TheBibliofilus]

Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3....Why add some dangerous water when there's Noctua as an option?

[@jordancardenas8447]

It performs the same the Darkrock Pro TR4. I was searching around, still not sure what I am going to do about cooling this thing.

[@Outland9000]

Noctua! Please, *_please_* make a 140mm version of the fantastic NH-U12A that's TRX4 compatible.

[@halistinejenkins5289]

please do this with the 9900k at 4.8-5.0ghz. no one reputable will do this...

[@Pete292323]

Level1Techs is not reputable!? What?

[@halistinejenkins5289]

@@Pete292323 did you not read the comment? what?

[@jondonnelly3]

do it at 5.1

[@halistinejenkins5289]

@@jondonnelly3 anything... i want to see any of the top 3 air coolers (deeprock, noctua, deep cool, etc etc.) vs the best aio ( evga 360 / nzxt 280). you can't find this data anywhere on newer intel's desktop chips. as hard as they are to cool, you'd think the "content creators" would be all over it.

[@bitcoredotorg]

EK makes some great water cooling components - I love their blocks, rads, and reservoirs, however I MUST say, I have had 40% of my Vardar fans fail completely due to their cheap bearings. Stay away from the vardar fans!

[@tmpnerd]

Just use Noctua a little bit expensive but very good. The NF-A12x25 PWM is really great for radiators.

[@Outland9000]

@@tmpnerd The NF-A12x25 PWM is just about the best fan you can get atm... I wish Noctua would make a 140mm version.

[@tmpnerd]

@@Outland9000 It's in the work for some time now but it's seems to be a little bit harder then just upscaling to 140mm. Im sure when it comes out it will blow away other fans :)

[@aquariumiconoclast1613]

Why you not have ultrasonic cleaner?!

[@alanyousif1510]

Had to return the dark rock pro cause of the dominator ram clearance. I wish you made this video a week ago 😂

[@kdw75]

I keep thinking I will throw a Threadripper CPU and MB in my primary machine, but keep thinking it isn't justified yet since my 9820x, which I got on sale was only $299 and does everything I need.

[@TrueThanny]

This seems a bit muddy. I know what you're trying to say, but I think you could have done better by scripting it a bit. The upshot is, if you want the processor to run faster, you need to get rid of heat faster at lower temperatures, so there's room for the processor to generate even more heat to increase the clock speed. It's all about the surface area of the heat exchanger combined with the airflow over it. With a tower cooler, you're stuck with a relatively small surface area, meaning higher fan speeds to achieve a given amount of cooling. With an AIO, you're stuck with a thin radiator which runs into the same problem as the tower cooler, but later on. Only with a custom loop can you almost arbitrarily increase the surface area of the heat exchanger. This lets you improve heat dissipation greatly, and do it without ramping up fan speeds (more airflow _or_ higher surface area achieve the same goal). So for a chip like Threadripper, you want a custom liquid loop with a big hefty radiator using large fin spacing, coupled with quiet low-RPM fans. More heat dissipation and much quieter cooling.

[@martincstee5335]

5:48 Does the Arctic Freezer 50 clear the G.skill Trident Z RAM?

[@davidg4512]

I like air cooling. No hassle, no maintenance, no worries. All you gotta do is dust the computer once in a while and call it a day.

[@PaulSebastianM]

The beQuiet cooler heat plate has a circular finish to it. I managed to get paper (maybe something else, looks and feels like small, hard, dust/rock pebbles) contaminants in the circular grooves in it and I can't get them out because there's no direction where you can push those contaminants along the grooves to eventually leave the plate. Any ideas?

[@grimtagnbag]

How is the enermax compare with the your fluid vs the ek custom loop? I’m about to be in that boat cause mine is having a hard time. 1950x 4.25 all cores at 1.25 volts but cooler can’t keep up.

[@Reyfox1]

I wish Arctic would make an air cooler like that for AM4....

[@VincentAndre_HK]

soon :)

[@VertexHero]

05:46 I have the same ram and Arctic cooler. I'm having the same issue with it teter tottering. How did you make it fit properly? I could really use the help. Much appreciated!

[@martincstee5335]

01:55 The Arctic Freezer seems to clear the Trident Z . Is it possible to move the fan one or two notches higher?

[@spidersj12]

I'm building a 3970X with the ASUS Zenith II Extreme cooling with the Thermaltake Floe Riing 360 TR4 Edition, Corsair RGB Pro 3200 MHz, I'm hoping I have good thermals when the CPU is running all cores maxed out running Einstein@home or Seti@Home. Wendell I'd appreciate your thoughts.

[@bingliu2932]

Monitoring the watt is really a good idea!!

[@Iam_Dunn]

“Could I kill two birds with one stone and heat my fish tank by including it into my water cooling loop?” - Random thoughts.

[@TrueThanny]

01:12 That's not true. There are physical state changes throughout the computer that require energy to produce. That's the very definition of work. You can't flip a bit or change a transistor state without using energy to do so. These devices are, of course, insanely inefficient, so nearly all of the energy that goes into a system comes back out as waste heat. But not all of it. Some of it does work. If that weren't the case, then the computer would be incapable of doing anything at all.

[@Level1Techs]

Popular misconception. The result of the electronics doing any "work" is heat. All the energy ends up as heat.

[@blazetechstuff]

I had a cooler fan that was a few ml over, so I dremeled part of the frame off.

[@gauravjain4249]

Thank you so much, Sir.

[@Royaleah]

I wish I wasn't having issues cooling my 3970X with my custom water loop.

[@BillLambert]

How big's the loop ? Mine stays below 60 but I went full overkill on the radiators.

[@Royaleah]

@@BillLambert I have two 280 radiators and getting idle temps in 50-60 range and when I go full load it hits 82. I have tried different things and right now I questioning the temp readout, but have few more things to test. Here is my reddit thread about it www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/em9sah/high_temps_on_3970x/

[@julian.morgan]

I wish I had all the components of your problem

[@Figuremakr]

Excellent video, good info, honest, not too heavy. :-)

[@martincstee5335]

Just curious: is it possible to mount a tower fan cooler on the top (front) side of the CPU and mount an AIO on the bottom (back) side simultaneously?

[@spaceduck413]

I'd be interested in seeing this same test done with the 64 core monster. Air seems to be fine for 32 cores, will it scale?

[@tim3172]

TDP is an estimation of heat output that's blah blah blah due to blah blah blah and it's not 100% accurate. On AMD systems, it is a very good estimate of the amount of power consumption and heat dissipation. With overclocking enabled it's another story. With that said, the TDP for the 3970X is 280 watts. w w w . anandtech . com/show/15044/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x-and-3970x-review-24-and-32-cores-on-7nm/2 Almost exactly 280 watts of actual consumption. The TDP for the 3990WX is also 280 watts. There's a reason the 3990WX has a full 800MHz slower base clock than the 3970X.

[@spaceduck413]

@@tim3172 How do you figure TDP is very accurate on AMD systems? The very video we're commenting on shows a total system draw of 425 watts with a 280 watt TDP processor. I get that the processor isn't the only thing in there consuming power, but another 145 watts? The only way you're getting close to that is with a GPU, which would've been idle during CPU tests

[@fredEVOIX]

I can guarantee you'll need a custom loop unless you plunge your head into the ground like an ostrich to avoid seeing reality, even with the 24 cores I'm going custom loop, neither towers nor AIOs are enough for it, air is absolutely not fine for a 32 it's already not fine on my 24 check Wendell graph since when running +15°C and "throttling" is good ? it's not it's "better than nothing" who wants "better than nothing" perfs on a 1500-2000-4000$ cpu ? you're in the wrong hardware category if you do

[@spaceduck413]

@@fredEVOIX you seem frustrated pal. For the record, I'm already running an open loop on my i5, I personally wouldn't run a threadripper on air, I just find this type of thing interesting

[@tim3172]

... and also the link I posted of the 280 watt TDP CPU consuming literally 280 watts under load.

[@marcelliusika]

I wish we can get fan speed data. Great job anyway. I always wonder if one can cool 3990wx with tower cooler. Well, we got the answer. Thanks Wendell.

[@christopherlewis6938]

Thanks for putting this out

[@HangYuriYangFX]

Can this thing handle 3990x? I am trying to avoid watercooling as I need it to run 24*7 hours

[@Phynellius]

what about the wraith ripper? I don't imagine it would perform too differently from the other tower coolers

[@Idtelos]

No Cooler Master AMD Wraith Ripper?

[@MichaelPohoreski]

Idtelos Yeah, was a little disappointed with that omission as well. (I have no horse in this race as I have the NH-U12S TR3, NH-U14S TR3, and Wraith Ripper for my 1920X, 2950X, and 3960X Threadrippers respectively.)

[@InvisibleJiuJitsu]

@@MichaelPohoreski what temps are you getting from the 3960x with wraith ripper? I'm thinking of building with that combination soon

[@CesarinPillinGaming]

what about the ProSiphon from IceGiant?

[@noenken]

'Failure is always an option!' - Adam Savage

[@Fists91]

Even if you don't have a PhD publishing null results makes you one of the best scientists in the world.

[@132james1]

280 doesn’t seem to bad with how hungry rocket lake is

[@tommihommi1]

Didn't Computerbase report that the Noctua U14S-TR4 performs better than the Dark Rock Pro 4 TR4 at these high power levels, because noctua uses higher quality heatpipes that saturate later.

[@fredEVOIX]

none are good so don't waste your time neither are aios, all those have the size and design for max 200watts cpu TR are 260-400watts

[@Level1Techs]

I'd believe it BUT I really needed a dual fan setup with the RPMs maxed on the tower cooler w/noctua. The TR4 setup was 2 fans from the get-go. With 2f on the noctua, was fine, plus no ram clearance issues.

[@tommihommi1]

@@Level1Techs www.computerbase.de/2018-12/cpu-kuehler-amd-threadripper-test-luftkuehlung/3/?amp=1#abschnitt_ergebnisse_mit_uebertakteter_cpu yeah, they had the same result. LTT used the noctua cooler in their initial 3970x review, and it managed to keep the CPU at 82 degrees, so no downclocking happened. Probably slightly lower ambient temp and different thermal paste application, or something like that.

[@Jarihopkins]

Hey, I got fury hyperX 3200Mhz for my ryzen 3700x build. Its is most definitely hard to find information about this memories, so how do you think they perform against more mainstream memory such as 3200c16 g skill's kits? Also, thanks for the great work, Wendell, I love your content about linux and the quality of the information you guys embeds on your content! edit: typos

[@carbonsx3]

6:51 Hiss-tare-EE-sis... also, I think you meant to say 'saturation' ... as in heat saturated... anyway... awesome investigation.

[@jadoei13]

Power draw vs performance, how does power leakage being temperature dependent affect that?

[@jacquesbuys1354]

Do a video on 3950c with custom loop plz!!

[@franciscodeaguirre1754]

What about custom tower heatpipes cooling?

[@nick15727]

HOW ABOUT BOTH ICE GIANT ProSiphon Elite