The Horrors of Duskmourn, Bloomburrow Birds and Foundations in Standard | MTG Spoilers

[@18Zeke]

21:59 the first part Screaming Nemesis is worded like Boros Reckoner; it has to be dealt damage to deal damage to your opponent and stop them from gaining life, it’s not linked to dealing combat damage. So if it’s blocked, or it gets dealt damage by say Lightning Bolt or Blasphemous Act, then you can redirect the damage to your opponent and then they can’t gain life.

[@chanceknoles9475]

Doomsday Excruciator looks like a really good Reanimate target. 2 mana 6/6 flying that draws you an extra card each turn, without the bad side effect. Seems VERY good.

[@collinbeal]

That's true, but if you're going to be reanimating in Standard, Atraxa or Etali are just far superior.

[@chanceknoles9475]

@@collinbeal I'm just speaking in general. I'm not saying it's the best, but it is very good.

[@pneuma08]

Yeah, I definitely noticed that with the way it is worded reanimating it dodges the exiling effect. It must be intentional.

[@Goldy01]

It's pretty bad, actually, compared to so many other big things to reanimate.

[@pneuma08]

@Goldy01 What about in Commander? It's still probably not the first choice, but also looks like it might hit a sweet spot of not too good to become archenemy, but good enough to make an impact.

[@douweduijnstee3797]

Twitching Doll creates a spider for EACH counter. It doesn't specify just nest counters. So as a manadork in a deck filled with +1/+1 counters or ability counters, it has a leg up over llanowar elves as it is an army in a can. Bloomburrow's art looks amazing, it's making me look for an option to just buy 1 card each in the entire set to use for D&D purposes.

[@Hanmacx]

Use with Agatha's Soul Cauldron

[@andresicuro]

Thanks for poiting this out, now I definitely need a copy for my Mazirek insects deck to dump +1/+1s on it then sac it (I know they aren't insects, but they are friends ok)

[@CeleViiGC]

I wonder what land cycle we will get in mtg foundations

[@electricangel3161]

@@Hanmacx We did it we broke Agatha's Soul Cauldron!

[@simic0racle157]

look to buy a "set cube" after it comes out

[@pmaztah]

Seth sees "revival" continues to say "Reveal" 3 times =)

[@chifii]

It's intentional. It has to be.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

@@chifii or he's really just that dyslexic

[@Botanick13]

Seth knows it will force people to comment on it! It is all part of the plan, like when he did LOTR spoilers

[@ReyosBlackwood]

@@Botanick13 i get theres value in engagement of course, but id expect there to be enough natural engagement that sounding dumb isn't worth the trade off, theres been chamnels i outright stop watching because of stuff like this, even presenters on this channel i just skip because i cant stand their style... seth is honestly close to that line

[@vulcanh254]

Why would it be a reveal counter. 😂 I don't understand how his brain works.

[@dcrow9650]

Duskmourn Horror Art looks so cool.. The human or people looks so lame. Like a Mix of Scooby Doo with Silent Hill

[@raymakerscalisthenics660]

*I'm tired of spoilers, grandpa* THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD. LOOK AT THE CARDBOARD.

[@MerpDerp-hz9tt]

So far this year I’ve skipped RVR, MKM, OTJ, MH3 and ACR. But I did get Fallout and preordered Bloomburrow a few months ago and will definitely be getting Duskmourn and Foundations. Magic really is a game where you need to pick and choose what sets you want to invest your time and money in. There are just so many sets being released.

[@signspace13]

Come back Wrong strikes me as an incredible sideboard card against things like Etali and Atraxa, the value doesn't matter too much if you get it too.

[@DarthTUK]

note: the doll makes spiders for EACH counter on it - not just the nest ones from it's first ability

[@Hanmacx]

Use Spider Doll with Agatha's Soul Cauldron

[@DarthTUK]

@@Hanmacx not sure what is more disgusting: what you just described or the art on the doll

[@steventyler3582]

@@Hanmacx Holy shit thats beautiful. Im running this.......

[@Hanmacx]

@@DarthTUK you want more disgusting combos? Try adding Esoteric Duplicator Then you can get even more fun with new Spider Toy Token each turn

[@collinbeal]

​@@Hanmacxyou would also need to play Encroaching Mycosynth to turn it into an artifact. Congrats! For the low cost of 9+2 mana, you got yourself a few 2/2s.

[@brandyourfan9244]

Doomsday Excruciator make Umbris, Fear Manifest incredibly massive. Id provably run it in Phenax, God of Deception. After dropping this, Phenax can one shot someone, possibly the table, depending on the board state.

[@sgjuxta]

A thought I just had about the Foundations set for standard, is that it really frees up set design a lot when you're designing the set for standard, because a lot of the nuts and bolts sort of cards that make a format run are just, sort of, already there, so, in theory, they can use that space in the sets for more cool thematic designs instead of having to shovel in Disenchant, let's say, into a set that didn't need it for limited, just so it would be standard legal.

[@cybersnap6072]

also twitching doll doesn't just count nest counters on it but ALL counters. Slap some 1/1 counters on that thing and suddenly you have a lot of spiders

[@KDiaz-hy1xx]

As an old school Magic player, I remember when white bordered sets (Core sets), were basically the same reprints over and over again so that the same staples were always in Standard. Foundations just really seem like a return to that, which, if you think a "return" to old Standard is good, then this may also be good---or at least part of what made Standard good in the past.

[@nicholasbrozowski3558]

This is actually insane.

[@frankcastle9691]

Why?

[@Crit20]

@@frankcastle9691 so many spoilers

[@crashking9930]

I don't know, man. I kinda like it

[@nicholasbrozowski3558]

It's gotten to the point where it's not even a matter if whether or not you can afford to keep up with new cards. It's a matter of the time commitment you would have to put in to put new cards into decks and play more than a few games before the next set is out.

[@electricangel3161]

@@nicholasbrozowski3558 And they had the fucking nerve to make a FOMO joke card. They're spitting in our faces and some of us are opening our mouths to catch it.

[@ketchumall8243]

I already have an otter deck on arena with all like 5 Otters that exists right now. I'm so ready for real otter tribal. And they're Izzet colors which makes me love them even more

[@Morte_n]

Day of Judgement reprint is kinda nice since they tried to print board clears in every other set. Now they don't have to reinvent the wheel over and over. I can already see a Donate like card beeing printed together with Cursed Recording, since it would fit the theme too! Or just a straight up Harmless Offering reprint. Doomsday Excruciator can work well with reanimate decks or something like Dredge, I'd say? You suddenly just got the whole deck in your graveyard and can abuse all your cards! Impending is really good thanks to the card already beeing on the board and not suffering from summoning sickness, so you can attack the turn the last counter is gone! ;) Oh, and the counter get taken off during the END STEP which makes it a lot stronger than during your upkeep! Collected Company as special guest spoils us the main characters of the set btw.

[@ringgar1223]

Screaming nemesis sounds really good until you re-read it and see it reads "Whenever IT is dealt damage." and the effect only happens this way. Womp womp.

[@zeusalternative1270]

If you were to shock your opponent you can instead shock the nightmare, redirect to face and stop the lifegain.

[@collinbeal]

Wdym re-read? It isn't obvious to you what the card does at first blush? I mean, Seth made the mistake, but he's not the most patient, meticulous reader out there.

[@BoringAaron]

Twitching doll gives you a spider for any counter, not just the nest counters

[@aerynmusick4548]

I’m calling it- Nightveil Spectre is gonna be good in modern im a UB devotion shell with Thassa’s Oracle as the win-con with excrutiator doing the heavy lifting

[@aerynmusick4548]

Excrutiator will also be a fun hoser for Approach of the Second Sun in EDH. It goes in seventh from the top, oops let’s exile a whole crapload of cards.

[@ullrich]

Interesting to note that the wording on Twitching Doll's second ability doesn't say "create a 2/2 green Spider creature token with reach for each NEST counter..." - it just says for each counter. Not sure how much that does or does not matter, but seems like you could stack it with any number of counters.

[@paulgonzales5838]

The spider toy says for each counter, not just the nest counters, but all counters ^_~★

[@acdcguy18]

Screaming Nemesis doesn't do what you say it does. It has to *take* damage then send it to a player to prevent life game, not just hitting them in general.

[@mattdalenberg7153]

Excruciator is for. Reanimate decks its a cast trigger not a etb trigger so the extra draw will be very good if brought bk cheaply which the newest sets released tones of reanimate cards

[@Mr_Macho_Nacho_2077]

23:38 shelob synergies hard with this

[@jangrokortenhaus3036]

The doll just says counters, I think it's insane =D

[@ETK_]

WE HAD A SET COME OUT LESS THAN A MONTH AGO! A SET THAT IS DROPPING IN A WEEK, AND SPOILERS NOW!!!!

[@OdinMagnus]

Only downside of the overlord is that it doesn't thin your deck Colossus hammer does make a creature lose flying lol

[@wormspeaker]

I hope that they print some good evergreen emergency pressure relief cards in this Foundations thing. What I mean is cards that can hate on particular strategies if they become over popular in the meta. I mean a hate card that's not good enough to be in your main deck unless something like 33+% of the meta is playing that strategy. Just so as a given strategy gets too over popular the hate cards start showing up in the main deck and not just the sideboard. (Meaning that is has to be a hate card that not just stone unplayable if you don't end up in the 33% of matches that are the targeted strategy. Maybe it's a very over-costed red creature that destroys all artifacts when it ETBs, for example.)

[@michaelcollins4534]

Finally a home to play the sick mystical archives art of day of judgement

[@mlow239]

Rules question on the lands: When do they check for the creature types? i.e. Can I play these in Omo in commander and trigger the ability after putting an everything counter on a creature that entered on my turn?

[@joev1083]

Enduring tenacity seems funny with opalescence

[@spicysalmon8590]

Weird that impending is end step not upkeep like other time counters

[@ghost_fueled_scarecrow]

0:05 Xqc dialogue.

[@christopherfu2169]

The fact that we have a card named fomo is just hilarious to me.

[@lagomorphgirl4368]

duskmourn looks SOO cool!!! super excited for bloomburrow too :3 its funny that mtg is now doing like hearthstone's basic set after hearthstone switched to mtg's old core set system lol

[@FurrySpatula]

In 2 years there will be foundation masters where everything is power crept. Then in 4 years there will be foindation horizins masters 4 collector play boosters and all the other foundation cards will be rotated out.

[@RiKSh4w]

This turn: Doomsday Excruiator Next turn: Outrageous Robbery for at least 4 Going to be tough to beat that. But this isn't the first janky 2-card mono-black win the game combo printed recently.

[@MetaPixel7]

Does screaming nemesis still work if it's not on the battlefield?

[@jacobjensen7704]

The Wanderer lost her spark…….and got stuck on the modern horror plane? That’s pretty rough.

[@AngelusNielson]

is foundations coming to arena in any way shape or form? I could use that leyline.

[@burtmillard9196]

If done right, Chainsaw would be perfect in a Scuteswarm/Meathook Massacre deck.

[@Boobster_Gild]

I’d like to point out that Impending is gonna be rad with Falco Spara

[@RedJadeArt]

12:49 put this on an indestructible creature and he becomes chainsaw man

[@kojiroh30]

Reading revival as reveal, haven't seen this kinda mistake for awhile. if feels like I'm back home.

[@davidwipperfurth8465]

If the idea of the set is to always have utility staples available so they don't have to remake them each release, I don't agree with the decision to put breakable cards like omniscience or power level pushing cards like Day of Judgement in the set. I think having combo enablers should be fine, but combo pieces means the foundation set limits what creative things they can print, since they always have to be weary of creating an unintended broken combo. What happens then, do they ban cards from their foundational set?! Printing power level pushing cards is like declaring the $1 is now the smallest unit of currency, it's immediate, forced inflation. They not only can't deescalate the format, but since all the cards for years of development will be developed with those cards as a back drop, even if they eventually decide to remove the pushed cards, by then the power creep damage will already be done.

[@spcld2k]

Small nit pick why Day of Judgement and not Wrath of God? Wrath is the OG and literally the same exact card.

[@ApoEdvarg]

"This creature" instead of spelling out the name is a new template right?

[@Kasigi03]

Instead of MTG Foundations, why not just do CORE SETS??? Wotc is really up their own butt. They need to slow down, keep the format but the two, three blocks per set that took a year to come out was a better time for Magic. Sadly, people are too picky and impatient for that to happen.

[@enilson002]

So does this new set legal til 2029 also make them legal in Pioneer?

[@joshua3122]

Twitching doll doesn't check the type of counters either

[@dallinhilton3189]

Screaming nemesis is not legendary, where Squee and Goddrick are legendary. I’ve had a lot of opponents stuck with multiple Squees or Goddricks.

[@JoshuaSAlt31]

Play a Jace, The Perfect Mind and then play the Doomsday and mill them out in 1 turn even in commander

[@nova42_]

fear of missing out new card for jund saga in modern??

[@as95ms98]

...what the hell?? Isn't the point if standard to have rotation?? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have a general Core Set back. But I WANT them to rotate. I'm personally in the camp of enjoying three year standard, but there are definitely some cards that have started to overstay their welcome with the three year rotation like the Kamigawa Channel Lands, Cappenna Triomes and Fetches, Graveyard Trespasser, and Raffine. Having a set of cards that are staying around for even longer just kinda sucks.

[@bardhoag]

PERPETUAL SPOILER SEASOOOOOOON!!!!

[@Mulletdog1]

21:15 I would much rather play multiple games compared to a 4 hour slog where one player is out for 3 of it

[@dallinhilton3189]

Why am I so scared of Llanowar Elves in standard

[@atingley0913]

Wizards literally printing a card named Fear of Missing Out... the exact thing they use to sell Secret Lair cards 😂😂😂

[@volosguidetomonsters3440]

Grixis Rats = Tier 1 standard deck

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

So WotC has made the most Meta Joke card by literally printing FoMo. Great job guys.

[@dyne313]

Remember when it was slightly difficult to get Domain? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@sosukelele]

Ikoria released 4 years ago, oh how the times have changed

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Foundations smells an awful lot like Hearthstone’s own core set system. For paper it should be a handy way to get people with older collections to have a way to get into standard more easily but for arena it could be incredible if they also do the hearthstone thing of just giving you the entire list of core set cards for free. No packs, no slot machine or having to waste wildcards. Just free.

[@michielwitteveen6676]

hahahaha you do know this is Hasbro/WOTC you are talking about right they would sooner make the packs more expensive then others since it wont rotate

[@blobzombie]

I don't lay Hearthstone, but I really wish Wizards would adopt their own dusting mechanic and give us wildcards in packs instead of gems when rares and mythics are capped out. In the long run, they'd see much better turnaround in profit.

[@RafitoOoO]

Well, Arena is A LOT cheaper than Hearthstone as is, so I don't expect them to feel the need to just give it away. It'd be cool though.

[@TheSmartCinema]

expecting wotc to give away ANYTHING for free on Arena is the funniest joke ive heard all month

[@signspace13]

Not a chance.

[@carloszarraga1990]

The village lands confirm all tribes in bloomborrow Azorius: Bird Dimir: Rat Rakdos: Lizard Gruul: Racoon Selesnya: Rabbit Orzhov: Bat Izzet: Otter Golgari: Squirrel Boros: Mouse Simic: Frog

[@imaginarymatter]

Adorable.

[@alfredosaint-jean9660]

​@@imaginarymatterUniverse Beyond: Root

[@pneuma08]

@@alfredosaint-jean9660 Kyle Ferrin Secret Lair? ....I'd probably buy it.

[@Prince_Smugarina]

Correct. The only worry is how many creatures will they make in this set to fill these "Tribal Guilds" that generally lack bodies. Otters throughout history only have 6 cards prior, only 5 actually physical. Raccoons and Mice being in the same boat.

[@catoticneutral]

I guess orzhov bats makes sense, they did that in the Ixalan set, and it definitely fits better than any other color pair. Kind of disappointed we didn't get swamp frogs though...

[@TheBroncosguy]

Seth reads "revival" as "reveal" but has no problem with "Excruciator" 😅

[@zacharymangen754]

I think the craziest part of the video is when Seth said 2029 is only 5 years away. Time really does fly when you get older.

[@seancherry1130]

Time flies when yer drinkin rum me boys, time flies when yer drinkin rum.

[@stoiccrane4259]

It flies when you're stuck in the same habits day after day and fail to take personal time to journal about your days, week's, month's, year accomplishments and to-do list. Have to expand your conscious awareness to return time to a more stable pace perceptually. Our experience of time is regulated by dopamine. The more you exhaust it the more it seems to fly but it restores itself daily.

[@Freddisred]

​@@stoiccrane4259there's simply too much to take in

[@ThatGSguy]

True, but consider this... 5 years ago was 2019. That's "pre-covid".

[@stoiccrane4259]

@@Freddisred Getting off the Matrix and into nature tends to help immensely. So does journaling and picking up a new skill to work on incrementally. When we do the same things habitually the brain fires more efficiently in relation to those behaviors and activities to the point where the perception of engaging in them becomes streamlined. To slow things down the bit it needs to be challenged daily so it takes the time to be more present in processing new experiences. Being present is the key and through the struggle of growth or in the experience of pain or discomfort (like weightlifting) does the brain tend to be more attuned to the present moment I've found.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

22:40 I think you really misread Screaming Nemesis. If it connects, it does NOT shut off life gain and, you don't get extra damage when you hit with it. Both of these happen when it gets hit, when it takes damage. This is a Boros Reckoner or Spitemare type effect.

[@welshevo1]

Phew it had been minutes without spoilers, I was beginning to have withdrawal symptoms

[@sahjhan1]

FOMO is now literally a card? Can't wait for the inevitable BRB, AFK, and ROFL cards.

[@volosguidetomonsters3440]

Bards of Rogue Barrens Adventures in the Forgotten Kingdoms Rangers of Overgrown/Forgotten Legend

[@johndoe9343]

But will they change their minds about Foundations or not is the real question. 5 years is a long time.

[@Crawver]

Honestly it might be fine. So long as they're not really printing any format warping cards in them, nothing with too crazy an effect that is feasibly playable, then having a proper foundation to work out multiple formats should mean they get to properly tinker with standard sets in interesting ways. Especially if it's just a reprint set, it should be fine and they shouldn't need to take it back.

[@Goldy01]

@@Crawver they said reprints will make up 50% of the set.

[@dac2007]

​@@Crawverwell, staple cards that see play in older formats like Llanowar Elves or an almost functional reprint of Wrath of God is not exactly a good place to start IMO It means you are pretty much power creeping 2-mana dorks or 4 mana wraths with downside which were usually printed for standard out of the format Hopefully I'm wrong but not very excited for this foundations thing

[@JamesCooley-q8b]

Seth you misread Screaming Nemesis

[@knightofsapphire1601]

Big difference, too. Stigma lasher has to land a hit. You can just shock your own Nemesis to get the effect and shut down any lifegain deck. Angels, Soul Sisters, New Sorin, Amalia Combo.

[@jyrinx]

@@knightofsapphire1601Yeah, better and worse than Seth said-it can't get its ability off alone on an empty board, but if you have another burn spell and the mana to cast it you don't even need to break through

[@Goldy01]

@@jyrinx yeah I mean having a 3/3 haste on an empty board, oh no, how horrible lmao

[@jyrinx]

@@Goldy01 A 3/3 with haste on an empty board is not “remove it now or your deck doesn't work.”

[@scottserage9022]

Notably, Twitching Doll doesn’t care what type of counters it has on it, you get a spider for each counter it had on it. Almost seems like a typo, but if it isn’t it means the card plays well with +1/+1 counters.

[@mattm7798]

So being stuck with llanorwar elves for 5 years straight puts huge pressure on removal and 3 drops. Basically every 3 drop is now "is this broken if played on turn 2"

[@MetalHev]

Alchemy has had "llanowar elves but better" for years now. Nobody cares. All you see is Sheoldred the Apocalypse and Slickshot Showoff. Once in a while you see some poor soul trying to play 5 color legends with the 1 mana dork but thats it, and 5 color legends isn't even tier 2. Standard/alchemy is too fast and too powerful to play mana dorks that just get Cut Down and delay you a whole turn.

[@kevinhulvey7018]

@@MetalHev right, heck for all we know, they’ll reprint cut down in the set. If your plan is, “one drop, three drop, I don’t run two drops,” one mana removal ruins that. But it does kind of require one mana removal to be available, or else going second against the mana dork is whack

[@MetalHev]

@@kevinhulvey7018 it doesn't matter. Any creature nowdays is "kill it or it wins the game by itself". You play a mana dork and a 3 drop, they play tinybones and some other stupidly overpowered 2 drop, you're dead.

[@johndoe9343]

@@MetalHev Well there you go. A Llanowar Elves in Alchemy. Of course plenty of people don't care; it's in Alchemy.

[@MetalHev]

@@johndoe9343 alchemy power level is lower than standard atm because of rotation. Its your standard overpowered-ass cards which screw our meta.

[@Prince_Smugarina]

Gold, the 5 Bloomburrow Lands show that the creatures animals are like the Guilds of Ravnica. Meaning all the listed creature types are getting support. Orzhov Bats, Rakdos LIzards, Dimir Rats, Golgari Squirrels, Boros Mice, Izzet Otters, Gruul Raccoons, Simic Frogs, Azorius Birds and Selesnya Rabbits~

[@bigdamij]

Interesting it’s llanowar elves and not elvish mystic.

[@calebjohn9810]

It's because llanowar elves is plane-dependent, as Llanowar is a place on Dominaria. Elvish Mystic can be printed in a Ravnica set or a Kaldheim set, for example. Meanwhile Llanowar Elves is stuck in Dominaria sets and Core Sets.

[@mattm7798]

@@calebjohn9810 Well said. Plus, it's pretty nostalgic

[@bigdamij]

@@calebjohn9810so by that logic they didn’t need to print llanowar elves in this set. since they can print elvish mystic in any set. If this set is to let us reprint cards that are plane specific without them breaking the theme elvish mystic already filled that hole.

[@calebjohn9810]

@@bigdamij yeah, but now if they really want to, they can have both in standard!

[@bigdamij]

@@calebjohn9810 True! I would like both. I think the obvious reason is nostalgia. Also if the goal is to support older players in getting into standard it might be they feel players are more likely to have lle over mystic.

[@Rabhadh-RhymesWithJava]

It's wild that we're getting maybe 2 months between sets now. It's so much so fast.

[@ILU1689]

Yep.

[@734leaf]

Conzooooooommmmm

[@electricangel3161]

Money talks

[@hasanhatic4092]

Doomsday Excruciator feels like the card that people of Wizards of the Coast made when they were on a losing streak in magic and after a long night of drinking binge wanted people to suffer... I approve

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

Hasbro, can we go a month or so without spoilers? Please?

[@dragonknite314]

Hasbro: best we can do is 12 hours

[@alexanderficken9354]

the spoilers will continue until profits improve

[@cristianjordan6357]

No

[@spinnish]

but i want more content especially seeing as its optional so i can pay attention to those i care about and ignore the rest

[@SpitefulAZ]

MTG spoiler machine goes brrrr 😂😂

[@VBane]

It took me way too long to realize the synergy between Wandering Rescuer's Convoke and ETB.

[@Goldy01]

she's rescuing the creature(s) 😭

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Worth noting for Twitching Doll, it can tap for Blue and builds up a counter each time, so if you enchant it with Freed From the Real you can sack it and make infinite tokens.

[@Nemissis4265]

Fear of missing out is not good. You need to read the WHOLE CARD. its says untap 1 SINGLE CREATURE. not your board so not its not that good. Pretty bad honsestly

[@elephantguy0790]

I’m tired, boss

[@sgjuxta]

Nowhere to Run just feels like WotC taking Bogles out of the hospital ward where they've been on life support for the past few/several years, and tossing their broken body in the street to be run over by a steamroller. Like damn, a Last Gasp that can not only target hexproof/ward creatures with impunity, but also sticks around as an enchantment to permanently remove those effects is a very large middle finger to various hexproof/ward strategies that could crop up. Like, the fact that you can use this to murder basically any 1 or 2 drop (sometimes even 3, at least in standard) and then it sticks around on the battlefield to hate on future ward/hexproof creatures and/or be blinked or sacrificed for value (since it is a piece of material that actually stays on the battlefield) is pretty wild.

[@Brandon-Is-Not-Fooled]

Just use Morality Shift with Doomsday Excruciator and your library is replenished while everyone else is peeing their pants with anxiety.

[@mankeyproductions9109]

Anyone stop to think how the "The Wandering Rescuer" can rescue your tapped creatures from "The Wanderer" -2 ability? The Wandering Rescuer sure does rescue from The Wanderers

[@elijahwalker323]

So duskmourne seems super hype, love the idea, theme, art, and some of the cards so far. Before I was definitly unsure.

[@AMassiveHeadache]

didn't Viashino get rule changed to be Lizard?

[@vulcanh254]

This is just ridiculous. It's one thing if the products target a different demographic / type of player but since every set now tries to target modern and edh players it's just overwhelming in a very negative way.

[@Hanmacx]

Enduring Tenacity + Zur, Eternal Schemer = nearly Immortal Lifelink Deathtouch that drains for each life gained

[@wernerbeinhart2320]

I think the chainsaw is quite weak. 2 mana removal that leaves behind a permanent should be strong, but having it only hit creatures (not even PW), making it sorcery speed AND giving the equipment such a high equipcost basically makes it unplayable in constructed imo. Lightning strike is in standard right now. It's a common that hits any target at instant speed. Torch the tower is common, can hit PW as well as creatures, exiles, costs only 1 mana, is instant speed and can easily deal 3 damage in addition to letting you scry 1 when bargained. The chainsaw starts as a +1/+0 equipment with an equipcost of 3. How many creatures do you have to kill until it's worth it to spend that much mana? In what kind of deck are you supposed to play this? A red based aggro deck? Wouldn't you rather play more creatures or burn spells or collect evidence for your detective's phoenix?

[@wernerbeinhart2320]

4 mana wrath without potential downside in standard as a baseline is really strong. Like you said over the past couple of years we got a lot of good wraths at 5-7 cmc like Farewell, Sunfall, Blood on the snow, Burn down the house and Final Showdown. While these have very huge potential upsides and/or modalities, for a control deck it's very important to clear the board early on to swing the tempo and not take too much damage. Of course 3 mana wraths like temporal lockdown and brotherhood's end can also (and sometimes even better) clear early boards and bridge the gap towards the more powerful 5-7 mana wrath options. But still, I think making this the baseline promises some strong wraths in the future

[@blobzombie]

While the unveiling of three new sets sounds very taxing, especially on our collective wallets, I'm really excited for future standard, especially that MTGF won't rotate for a long time. Also, Llanowar Elves coming back is big. Day of Judgment, too. Foundations I believe is giving us a cycle of Planeswalkers, too. Considering they're limiting them in expansions, having a cycle that lasts until 2029 makes sense. Hoping for an Ob Nixilis reprint! Bloomburrow reminds me of the early days of Lorwyn and Eldraine blended together. Each color combination getting a typal is going to brew some fresh ideas. Hoping we get Pathways reprinted or an awesome new cycle of lands. As a die-hard fan of horror movies, Duskmourn is MY type of set. From what we've seen so far, I love the references to Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Evil Dead, Ringu (The Ring), and so on.

[@lenajohnson6179]

Why is the Wanderer outside of Kamigawa? If she has no spark dragging her around anymore, she should be Empressing. If she still is being dragged around, then why did we bother removing her spark? I've never liked the desparking of all these planeswalkers just so we can further suck up to commander players, but this seems like one of the more egregious character entries. EVEN with the ability of legendary creatures to use the omen paths, the Empress has LITERALLY NO REASON to be off of Kamigawa any longer unless she's still being dragged around... because she's now leaving her plane vulnerable without their empress... I hope she IS still being dragged around because being 'the wanderer' was the coolest thing about her... but ffs if we still want to have her randomly showing up places, then she should really just still be a Planeswalker, and all the Commander players can just be fine with the thousands of legendary creatures they already have access to. What's ONE more mono white legendary creature they won't be using when weighed against the narrative BS of stripping the Wanderer of everything cool about her? COMMANDER!!!! ***Shakes fist vengefully at sky!***

[@No1ofConsequence]

I'm curious about Salvation Swan in a new iteration of a defender deck with Wingmantle Chaplain. Bounce your defenders and spit out more birds... Might be crap, might work. Have the cards already, so why not try? Also Mudflat Village... You can keep recurring the damn Deep-Cavern Bat or Bloodletter. The frustration to ensue

[@pyrobob5724]

So here's the plan: First, we pllay a millennium calendar, let it start picking up counters as we untap stuff. Next, we want to get a Twitching Doll into the graveyard. Then we want to get an Agatha's Soul Cauldron into play, and turn our Millennium Calendar into a creature with something like Zoetic Glyph or better yet, Case of the Filched Falcon. Finally, we exile Twitching Toy with Soul Cauldron, giving its ability to our Millennium Calendar. Then we sac it using Toy's ability, making about a million spiders and winning the game on the spot....

[@SrenHolm-k3o]

Omniscience? Must have been a missclick. Olive, go for the throat cannot kill everything either. Excruciator should be banned in Commander.

[@jaxsonbateman]

God dammit; I hate how much they're pushing lifegain cards ATM (Guide of Souls is the recent big one). Not because I don't want the strat to be good/viable, but because so many arena players choose cards for their deck simply by searching for "life", so instead of making those players actually put some thought into their building to arrive at a good deck, WorC is just giving them stronger cards that compensate.

[@brownout100]

Booooo! Boo I say! I say boo to: -llanowar elves (they were correct - too good for standard) -wrath (it’s true that it’s amid a sea of other insane power crept wraths, but that’s a huge bug, not a feature) -support for Bats (can’t believe I’m saying that, it would be cute BUT I’m already so sick of turn 2 Deep Cavern Bats) Let me jank in peace!

[@pureevil6047]

I don't understand why they tacked green onto the Anthem. It honestly seems like Wizards just wanted to punish white-weenie players. The only green anthems are 1 from Modern Horizons, 1 from Planar Chaos and Mirari's Wake which is also G/W but doubles your mana. I doubt Honor of the Pure (Yikes) is going to be in Foundations so lots of decks are going to be forced to run green if they want the best Anthem in standard.

[@cedarbobedar7223]

I don't think you're supposed to cast Doomsday Excruciator - between the 6 pips and the *if you cast it* clause on the mill-all-but-six-to-exile thing, it kinda screams "don't hardcast me you monster" and I mean looks like a nice chill reanimation target - 6/6 flier that draws you a card every turn with no drawback in monoblack. It's not even legendary so you could run a few copies or make some tokens of it.

[@chartypeplays2396]

I actually liked how ward has been used in recent sets. Yes it makes removal more difficult to use, but no one wants to play big creatures if they're just going to get killed by a 2-mana removal spell and ward makes them line up better without full-on giving them hexproof. My only problem was in Murders at Karlov Manor where the overabundance of "cannot be countered" cards kind of made it kind of not mean anything and negated all the other design decisions around ward. If most of the removal cards ignore ward anyway, then what's the point? The one place I really like "cannot be countered" is on expensive removal spells to make them less terrible and ensure that you can cast them once you have enough mana. So anyway, I have mixed feelings about Nowhere to Run being such a good ward hate card that's also just a decent removal spell. It's probably a good thing, especially to give decks a way to deal with some of the stranger ward costs, like "collect evidence".