Thrust vectoring control: Useful or Useless

[@DefenceMatrix]

Sukhoi series usually have TVC, because they are big and heavy aircraft with good lifting capacity, so bit rise in weight, doesn't bother the aircraft, whereas MiGs in service don't have it even after having this technology because, it will definitely affect their lifting capacity as they are already small aircrafts in comparison to Sukhois. And also before you ask questions based on why we have it when it's useless, please be careful when you watch the video, it's not useless, there are advantages too. It's all about what you want to trade.

[@kartikaysengar5884]

Please make a video on bmp 2k

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@hiteshrawat4393 2D.

[@omkarnath1385]

@@DefenceMatrix aap kis country se ho ???

[@shivakoranga4187]

Bro Su -- 37 pr ek details vedio banao ager vo project suru ho jata to kya F - 22 ko beat kr sakta tha 🙏🙏🙏

[@nillavachakraborty4481]

This the the best video,I've seen in youtube,explaining Pros & Cons of TVC. Thank You

[@kanalkanali]

the only downside of this man is just his accent. i cant understqnd most of what he said. and thats really sad.

[@shardachibber783]

This man is underrated...he deserves 1 million. .. M myself an expert..still this is best analysis channel

[@Sumit-fv6mp]

TVC shall prove to be beneficial for 5th generation aircrafts as due to their stealth they can come even closer to enemy aircrafts unlike the current 4th generation aircrafts as most Dogfight concludes with tracking down enemy before it approaches you and target locking from BVRAAM's, TBH no such TVC benefits at that distances could be observed, it's good for only Air Shows at this moment.

[@samratpatra5577]

Please do upload a video on delta wing vs conventional wings... :-)

[@nillavachakraborty4481]

Yes, Please do it.

[@NitishKaushish]

Yes. Do It😄

[@shardachibber783]

Yes please sir

[@pradeep7232]

Yes plz do it

[@deepikarai2056]

Yes please

[@sahilnegi4071]

3D thrust vectoring used for sharp turn leads to stall and aircraft also loose altitude...which is a disadvantage in dogfight. That's why raptor use 2D vector only for pich.

[@saurav6510]

Su30 also do 2D thrust vectoring

[@prashantgautam1567]

1:52 I got to know something new about F16 today. I'm a aeronautics enthusiast since 2011.

[@Ashokmahay]

Nice bro. Your voice is amazing. You deserve alot subscribers

[@devanshguru3807]

Su57 are seriously doing best in 3d TVC..... That is much good in dogfights......vaise Enemy ki missiles ki quality bhi matter karti hai ki hume 3d ki jarurat hai ya nahi

[@anonymouse6129]

3d vectoring thrust is only useful for airshows but it has something to do with radar signature so I prefer 2d vector thrust

[@usamaalimanjanbazum5279]

Ye ak behtareen technology hai or bohat help full hai

[@Value_Pilgrim]

This was a very good video. Good analysis and good explanations. My key takeaway is that for MMRCA we don't need TVC. But for example in the case of Yak 141 or F 35b which can do VTOL and if India needs a small aircraft like Tejas to do landings in our helicopter carriers we will need to figure out TVC for Tejas LCA?

[@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005]

Thats need more than the TV Nozzles. And the so called modified tejus may be capable of lifting weight of less than 1-1.5 tons? Tejus can never go to VSTOL.

[@Value_Pilgrim]

@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005 take a look at Yak 141. We can ask to Russian collaboration to design a viable Twin Engine Tejas LCA VTOL and incorporate that design in Kaveri. It would be perfect for our helicopter carriers in the future.

[@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005]

@@Value_Pilgrim try to read the disadvantage of it. Yak 141. And why USA chose a very different design for VSTOL.

[@Value_Pilgrim]

@@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005 Thanks I will. If you have something which can shorten my search and read time then please share those links. Much appreciated.

[@MINATOYELLOWFLSH2005]

@@Value_Pilgrim opposite prototype against F35 was using the conventional VSTOL. The exhaust of the TV nozzels do became intake air for the engine. Hence there were a lot of issues with it. Especially in carrier borne operations.

[@chandigarhspotter2345]

Hi Sir If a manufacturer plans to integrate TVC in there engine which will be the best 2D or 3D TVC......

[@DefenceMatrix]

Totally depends on what the user wants, it's always an optional pack. Just not with F 22 as it's not available for sale.

[@chandigarhspotter2345]

@@DefenceMatrix ok got it sir🙏

[@engrbilalkhan2996]

sir when i cahange thrsut air craft will react but sir how can i find better control please sir reason?

[@snipershot3180]

Killing it with good logical arguments 😎👍

[@567ghj_X]

Does Thrust vectoring Nozzles assist during take off . Any answers

[@biluroy9366]

Hmm

[@off_grid_javelin]

Does thrust vectoring helps in BVR combat to evade lesser agile fox 3 missiles when compared to infra red missile

[@off_grid_javelin]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 I would really like to know how you can justify that, which thing would be hard for you to hit with a sling shot... something that turns slowly ( good sustained turn rate planes like F35 or F16), or something that can turn in the blink of an eye (instantaneous turn rate thrust vectored planes like Su 35, F22).

[@off_grid_javelin]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 Yeah... you need to do that, because that mach 4 number is pretty arguable for a slow ass less agile bvr missile, it only attains that speed when distance and altitude between fighters is optimal, 70% of the time it's half it's speed, only R37 hypersonic missile can reach that much speed on an average. And F35 is made to evade dogfights which it cannot do because it has inferior stealth compared to j20 or f22, (we got that from chinese encounters between f35 by j20s in south china sea). More than half of the f35s are always grounded to repair ram-coating and sensitive parts, the cost of operating this aircraft made korea and japan to pursue their own 5th gen fighters, and you say this is a war machine ? It's a joke, even american government is buying back the hideous F15 back which was already inferior to the flanker, US air planes will continue to be a joke until f22 is not carrier borne or some better option arrives. f35 is the biggest joke one can make in aviation, period, You can't win with just bvr missiles when enemy closes in faster than you fire one or two of them, we've seen that in cope India exercises too, long range claimed F15s getting their ass handed by Mig 21s, so yeah I know my fair share of aviation.

[@off_grid_javelin]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 I know more information than you ever will, come out of western media's propaganda bubble, there's a whole powerful axis waiting for many westerners, we'll see that when china takes up taiwan and nato will watch like a lil' bitch, just like they did with ukraine, lolz.

[@anindyamukhopadhyay8]

Bahut ajana tatha aj mujhe pata chala hai Thank u for sharing this knowledge with us

[@rudrapratap7032]

sir one more request can you please make a video on why tejas is indigenously made in india and jf17 is not made by Pakistan because i am tiared of commenting this pakistani that tejas is indigenous aircraft and i personally want to know or you can answer my question in my comment

[@rudrapratap7032]

sir can you please make a video on arjun tank because it is criticised a lot in foreign countries and i want to know that it's is good or not

[@DefenceMatrix]

And it is criticize rightly, it doesn't fit our requirements as such, that's why no big order, hope all the issues get sorted with the future versions, as we are getting better with every one of them.

[@rudrapratap7032]

@@DefenceMatrix thanks sir but will you make a video on it

[@rownakbhattacharjee7046]

Does Indian mig 29 and su 30 has thrust vectoring like that of Russian??? Can u kindly confirm

[@biluroy9366]

Hmm

[@sameers4u2c]

Well made video brother 👌

[@AmanVerma-zg5iw]

Bhai tu pakka engineer h...!

[@microflyer2020]

I completely disagree.. Even after successful cobra maneuver.. When aircraft reaches minimum flying speed, aircraft can maintain @ enemy's 6 using its thrust vectoring and fire missile. Though it is only possible when there is no enemy's wingman at the dogfight site. Thrust vectoring will be highly useful in dodging a missile.

[@anonymouse6129]

@En Sabah Nur I agree

[@anonymouse6129]

And how the hell would the pilots see if the missiles are coming? And 3d vectoring thrust just acts like a horizontal stabilizer or elevator (not a elevator from the buildings the elevator that makes the plane fly aka the back part that is nearby then afterburners)

[@adiver_]

And I think it also helps in vertical take off and landing

[@microflyer2020]

@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 in a very recent example Indian Air force's Su 30MKI dodge 4-5 missiles successfully using EW Pod and thrust vectoring, thrust vectoring helped them coming out of the No scape zone of missile (next day of Balakot strike) when F16 was shot down by Mig21

[@sumitnajhoon8692]

Slightly differ with you on this ... Russians seems to have mastered the art of 3d thrust vectoring , .... I personally feel it has to do a lot with aerodynamic, balance ( and quite a lot associated with SU series ) Western F16 pilot was totally unaware of anything like cobra manaovers ,and were amazed when pilot saw... Seen this interview many years backs ... thankfully I got it to share it with you. Pls watch

[@DefenceMatrix]

Wanna hear what Indian pilot say about it?

[@DefenceMatrix]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/omK7ZXyPjr53jM0 Do listen it all, they mention TVC in between I don't remember exactly when.. you will know the opinion. Thank you.

[@sumitnajhoon8692]

@@DefenceMatrix i hope you also had a look at this video .... 🙏 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn-umWOdordsac0

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@sumitnajhoon8692 I have commented on this already

[@yugalsharan]

You didn't mention, how much will be the weight gain due to TVC ?

[@DefenceMatrix]

There is no exact number as such, it completely depends on what technology they are using, so GE can have different numbers, the Russian Saturn can have different numbers. But will be around 500-1000 Kg.

[@yourmathtutor5217]

Because perfection in thrust vectoring technology requires much effort and experience and time as well as. Thatswhy most of airforce try to avoid this

[@xumitstatus6598]

Thanks brother For uploading

[@attitudekilleroriginal]

Once a jet gets 360 lock feature, there will be no much need of a dog fight & vectoring. And as you said, it's a great feature if it's light weight & low cost.

[@shivakoranga4187]

3d thrust vectoring engine ka advantage air to air missile k against best h 😉😉

[@amitwali3565]

Can we connect

[@gauravnayak6991]

what about F22 tvc

[@sarkarnorupam6249]

Make a video on drdo saaw bomb and compare it with spice

[@bhupinderkumar1292]

Very informative video bro keep it up

[@shivakoranga4187]

4:50 Su - 37 thrust vectoring 😘😘 abhi hota to F - 22 ki कह के लेता😁

[@anonymouse6129]

Lol russian fan boy spotted

[@nete289]

Great Knowledge Delivery !

[@shortbus794]

I do understand what tvc is used for. But I still have no clue how the pilot controls the tvc

[@abhi36292]

you deserve the sub

[@anandvishawakarma5637]

Video sundar h.

[@vineyhecker6818]

Ek number video h Bhai ji

[@manoharbauskar3605]

SAAB Viggen ke reverse thrust capability pe video banao. 🙏🙏

[@DefenceMatrix]

A video was uploaded on viggen way back.. but was not a detailed one.

[@manoharbauskar3605]

@@DefenceMatrix please post the link

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@manoharbauskar3605 just a little info video, no voice over, no details. Wait.

[@DefenceMatrix]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6emoaecjrmhpqs

[@manoharbauskar3605]

@@DefenceMatrix bhai ye video to pehle bhi bahot baar dekh chuka hoon. Bhai, Thrust reversal ka koi future hain yaa nahi? Uske advantages disadvantages pe video banao. 🙏🙏

[@ShamimGypsyOld]

Why latest fighter jets are using this technology?

[@VikrantChoudhary4801]

But sir f22 have thrust vectoring

[@academic8093]

What about dogfight between IAF MiG-21 and PAF F-16 on 27 Feb 2019. Please make a video on reality of this incident. Both airforce claims its own version. Which one is correct plz make a elaborated video.

[@DefenceMatrix]

You and I will never know the correct versions, because we both were not there and nobody will tell you exactly what happened.

[@academic8093]

I was expecting at least a video from a rational person but no problem. What you think, pakistan is expert in hiding(osama in Islamabad for 15 years), then this is a small incident that can be conceived but it is history that in Pakistan truth comes out after a decade. The so called ISPR told on that day about two pilot captured on the fight day. Who was that second pilot who admitted to MH. overall can I say pakistan got upper hand in this scene.

[@sanjaykumar-cw5it]

Plzz uplode sherdil dogfight review

[@srdjan6004]

Thank you and come again.... :))))) Apu

[@atlyricalworld7083]

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[@harshitpandey9160]

Please make video on super sukhoi update

[@scffconinfratec6433]

GREAT VIDEO 👌👌

[@max2008abhi]

Bro f22 me thrust vector kyun hai.

[@DefenceMatrix]

It's rather simple and less complicated, also it has advantages too, which I have discussed in the video.

[@damanvats5137]

Sir, Please make video on S-400

[@asadali1268]

nice video

[@riorazzer1090]

Thats dipend on future battle,, Because future battle will full BVR ,,TVC is usless because unefficient..

[@AdityaTimesInfra]

Nice video

[@defenceosprey983]

sir please make a QN&a and one more question how do you manage this pakistani comments how talk without knowledge

[@DefenceMatrix]

Ignore....

[@rudrapratap7032]

@@DefenceMatrix nice

[@rudrapratap7032]

@@DefenceMatrix well when you will upload a QN&A video

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@rudrapratap7032 yes, I can do that.

[@Onoelo23gf]

Try and read the Red Flag report on the Indian SU-30 MKIs vs F-15s.

[@aadityazeo]

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[@kanabvasudeva7333]

Knowledge is Power

[@shrek_2_on_dvd699]

Why is the video in a different language but the comments are all English?

[@dileepmishra6914]

Why not compare thrust vectoring technology our su 30 mki has, its merits and demerits vis a vis Chinese or pak aircraft's? Pl..

[@dipayancompany6950]

i love your video ❤️💕💕

[@ArctrooperHavoc]

I'd say useless due tot he fact that if you pull a crazy maneuver something will go completely wrong such as becoming an easy shot for your enemy,bleeding too much airspeed,damage to the airframe,and possible blacking out of the pilot

[@shubhamsaini1358]

F22 raptor is also having thrust Vectoring engines but it is not 3D

[@Sumit-fv6mp]

Aircrafts only need 2D TVC to perform cobra stunt

[@shubhamsaini1358]

Yes

[@sarkarnorupam6249]

Toh Russians apne jet mein yeh nozzle kyu lagate hain?

[@DefenceMatrix]

They are big aircrafts, so little bit rise in weight, doesn't matter to them, that's why it's only on Sukhoi series, whereas MiGs don't have it, even when they have the technology.

[@rajendrachavan9608]

Why Jackie Chan in between at 4.21

[@saurabhkeshari7140]

Bro if you say that it's not practical to use thrust vectored nozzle then what is the use of primary guns as we know the concept of dog fight are too old and now bvr air to air warfare are being used more often.... Chengudu j20 removed primary guns from its arsenal and it was considerd as stupidity...

[@ashokirkal5850]

Yami best video

[@kamaleswardeka5585]

Thrust vectoring is good

[@sohitchaudhary3739]

First increase your knowledge all top 2 fith generation fighter jet (f22 and su57) both have this ability and su57 has 3d vetoring nozzles

[@DefenceMatrix]

And first watch the video completely, because I have discussed that in last part 😒

[@deleteduser6530]

If you're making a video in Hindi just say it in the title or make the title in Hindi ffs.

[@vasantnaik4723]

Our single su 30mki successfully survived agist 15 aircraft including f 16 due to 3d thrust vectoring nozal and perform cobra manuvare

[@DefenceMatrix]

Did you watched th video? You don't need TVC to perform Cobra,if you have seen the video, there clearly is an F 18 performing cobra without having TVC.

[@vasantnaik4723]

@@DefenceMatrix Admin thanx for your camment on my lines . i watch & understand your thoughts but our su 30 mki is survived due to this tactics. I well aware about 2d 3d and normal trust vactors system same time i tell you that cannard played nearly same.roll just like gripen or rafle and typhoon done. But in our airforce su 30mki do this job well but now days bvr missiles is come in to existence so moanuvar is not such important. Same way assa radar work put limits on manuvares. Hope you also give reaction on my point

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@vasantnaik4723 watch the Su 35 or MiG 29OVT's maneuvers carefully, after using the TVN they almost stop in the air, that means if multiple missiles are fired, one will definitely hit, because of almost no energy.

[@vasantnaik4723]

@@DefenceMatrix Yes its true every system have its own merit and demerits. But i give example that our jet survives aginst 15 engine jets due to its manuvare and jamming and lots off thing but now all 5th generation jets are used its. I dnt knwon why exact reason but even our AMACA TEDBF ORCA is ised it i here same. Mwf is not used so. If yes then can you make vedio on it. Same way can u make vedio om our bramhos hypersonic verient so its get more information about it. I gratefully says THANKS TO YOU

[@vinu_br26]

Jai hind

[@manvendraparihar6298]

भाई तुम्हारी आवाज बिल्कुल सौरव गांगुली की तरह है।

[@usamaalimanjanbazum5279]

Siraf ye hi ak isshu hai is ka k pilot Jo ak dum dabao ko nahen bardasht kar sakty per Jo pilot hain WO is ko used kar rahy hain jesy misar Chinese Indonesia or Russian khod b is ko used kar raha hai

[@Aaravfishes]

Thrust vectoring ko jitni gali deni hai dedo. Ye thrust vectoring hi thi Jisne Su-30 MKI ko AMRAAM dodger banaya tha.

[@DefenceMatrix]

Are you sure TVC was used?

[@DefenceMatrix]

With TVC you can dodge one missile... And you will loose your energy almost close to zero after that... And no one can save you after that.. the second will surely hit you.

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@Aaravfishes told you mate, there are advantages and disadvantages, I have mentioned advantages too, your aircraft will have very good slow speed handling and stall recovery with TVC.

[@theparthapratimdas]

Please stop using background music. Your videos are informative as it is, you do not need to use background music in your videos.

[@russianmig29dajjalist15]

in my thinking thrust vectoring is makes the most lethal aircracft in te world .....is prove in indradhanusha air excercise indian su30mki win royal air force 12-0 in visual range ....

[@OG_POPEYE]

Abhijit-iyer-mitra

[@waleedwaleed2982]

Comment achay hy lekin indian poilets kesi kam ka nahi??

[@ChandanSingh-qn4fy]

but we stuck with this technology.

[@kamaleswardeka5585]

MKI is better than Rafale

[@subhabratasaha8435]

First like

[@neerajchaudhary01]

यह आदमी पॉलिटिकल कॉमेंट करता है.

[@Shubhampatil99999]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2eamZiMdriNfKc Bhai ye video Pak ka hai ...unka 27 Feb ka ...wo Hassan sidfique ka ....sale kuch bhi bakrahe the . .humne unke su 30 ko Mar girana.....plz aap ispar reaction video de...unko reply de plzzz....Maine Kal bhi jf-17 thunder ke video me request kiya tha ....plz give reply them ....ur reaction ?? Plz make video ...

[@DefenceMatrix]

Kya reply doon? Bhai, ye propaganda inke liye nayi baat Nahi hai.

[@Shubhampatil99999]

@@DefenceMatrix ha wo bhi hai ...jaise apne ...Baki videos kiya...wo Sher Dil ka dekha ...accha banvaya tha ....Lekin un haramkhorone report kiya.......Baki unka propoganda hi tha fake....Baki Socha....aap kuch us video se apne janata ko......unka fake propoganda Bata sake ..isliye ... request kiya 🇮🇳🔥🔥

[@neoshot101]

DCS

[@_s2700]

I think TV is necessary in air superiority jets.....One of advantages of thrust vectoring is allowing aircraft to enter and recover from a controlled flat spin, yawing aircraft without worrying about rudder, which looses effectiveness at high angles of attack...plus in BVR fights TV helps in notching by maintaining a 90 degree angle on enemy jets radar....and it also helps to outmaneuver enemy missiles by bleeding it's energy.....!!!!

[@DefenceMatrix]

And it's own too, one missile you can, but if Two are coming and you use TV, you are a dead man.

[@_s2700]

@@DefenceMatrix well if the jet is in capable hands....it will maintain its kinetic energy using TV and dive in denser air to avoid the missile....they say in a dogfight speed is life....!!!

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@_s2700 and thats what you loose with TV very quickly

[@_s2700]

@@DefenceMatrix Aaa...no....air superiority jets are equipped with jammers and flare....but I agree if the enemy pilot is crazy enough to launch 2 or 3 missiles for just one target then the probability of me getting shot down is significantly high....!!!

[@silvershadow797]

Supari thookke baat karre baba

[@manoharbauskar3605]

F-22 mein 2-dimensional TVC hain, Su-30mki, Su-35 mein 3-Dimensional TVC hain. Haa, 3D TVC ke bhi advantages disadvantages hain lekin Aakhir pilot apne aircraft ko kaise udata hain uspe bhi bahot kuchh nirbhar karta hain. Sabse bada example, 2015 Indra Dhanush exercise jaha experienced Indian Su-30mki pilots ne British Euro fighter typhoon ke pilots ko 12-0 se all forms mein haraya tha.

[@DefenceMatrix]

Even without TVC, it can be done the design is so good.. if you ask most of the aviators they think it's kind of a useless technology, I have seen many interviews of Fighter pilots saying it's not useful in actual dogfights, one of whom was of a veteran MiG 29 pilot of the IAF.

[@gssr41]

Americans believe in beyond visual range kill....to hit the enemy before they see you and lock you, in that case thrust vectoring doesn't have much use. In close combat / dogfight thrust vectoring can be useful, Russian jets are excellent in dogfight...

[@DefenceMatrix]

One maneuver and you lose your energy, and till you recover, you can be a dead man.

[@gssr41]

@@DefenceMatrix That's why they use Gun in that scenario...

[@DefenceMatrix]

@@gssr41 you can't... You are a sitting duck without energy.

[@usamaalimanjanbazum5279]

Ye tumary pilots osy hendlle nahen karty is liye is main g Lod ak dum bhar jata hai or is ko bardasht karny ki capacity tumary pilots main nahen hai

[@atlyricalworld7083]

Sir ek video INDIAN AND PAKISTAN KI ARTILLERY PE BANAO PLZZ....KYUNKK YE VIDEO AVAILABLE NH H KAHI BH DETAIL MEIN.....JAI HIND🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🚩🚩

[@chandigarhspotter2345]

Bro, why to compare our top class artillery with Pakistani crap......