Thunderbolt 4 vs USB4 vs Thunderbolt 3 - What's Changed?

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Max Tech

4 жыл бұрын

The whole USB4 vs Thunderbolt thing is confusing. This video literally explains everything from USB-C to Thunderbolt 3 and the new Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 protocols!
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Introduction - 00:00
USB Type-C Explained - 1:01
Thunderbolt 3 Explained - 2:16
USB4 Explained - 4:23
Thunderbolt 4 Explained - 6:04
What about Apple Silicon Macs? - 7:49
Intel just released new information about Thunderbolt 4 and they've finally cleared up all of the confusion!
In this video, I discuss all of the differences between Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 to help you understand which one is right for you.
I also discuss if USB4 will support features like Displayport adapters and PCI Express Tunneling for things like using eGPUs.
I then discuss what benefits Thunderbolt 4 has over USB4, and then I finish off with what Apple is gonna do with their Apple Silicon ARM-Based Macs coming later this year.
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@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Thunderbolt 4? Are you disappointed? Comment your thoughts below! Get our Premium Apple Product Hoodie ➡ kzbin.info/door/ptwuAv0XQHo1OQUSaO6NHwstore Like the wallpapers in this video? Download them here ➡ bit.ly/2WNc6Qw
@shamza_boss
@shamza_boss 4 жыл бұрын
Love it. I was worried that we were not going to get as much bandwidth as we initially did but now at least it’s safe to say that the future is looking bright for arm macs.🤔
@2010Music4eva
@2010Music4eva 4 жыл бұрын
How do you avoid Apple suing you for using the images? Or are they Apple device like image but not one to one?
@samsulummasamsulumma6898
@samsulummasamsulumma6898 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds good, but they could have made things clearer... I mean that's a lot of things to remember and look for. And, once again, I dislike the usb-c connector because it is not physically robust at all. One wrong move and you damage something.
@radiolycanthropy5601
@radiolycanthropy5601 4 жыл бұрын
What are the speakers on the desk at the 2:56 mark?
@Starwarsgames66
@Starwarsgames66 4 жыл бұрын
Screw thunderbolt 4 if there’s no speed upgrade.
@truecuckoo
@truecuckoo 4 жыл бұрын
That is the weirdest Thunderbolt update ever.. More like Thunderbolt 3.01? USB4 is one of the best updates ever though. I thought the most important thing to update with TB was to get the speed and dual bandwidth(?) to match a PCI slot so that eGPU’s and such can live up to their full potential? It should be mandatory from now on to print an icon next to every port, and onto every cable, telling us what it is.
@pauldanielmooney
@pauldanielmooney 4 жыл бұрын
Not knowing what the cable will support is my only gripe with USB-C. What version of USB? What kind of power delivery? Even just something indicating that it's dedicated to one purpose. I have a cable that's displayport on one end and plugged into my monitor and USB-C on the other, but you wouldn't know it's a display port only cable unless you trace it back to its source. Or those 'special' cables Oneplus has for fast charging should have some kind of indicator on them. USB-IF needs to get on that.
@fuseteam
@fuseteam 4 жыл бұрын
in the end i guess they chose an umambiguous branding difference to ensure a certain minimal standard, not sure why they create an addtional controller chip however as they could just enforce any usb4 that meet their criteria to be certified as thunderbolt 4. tho i suppose since thunderbolt 4 will be integrated into their new cpus we have no idea if thunderbolt 4 devices will even require a chip at this point. also apple silicon supporting thunderbolt may also be an reason by they need a controller chip out there hmmm
@user-kc1tf7zm3b
@user-kc1tf7zm3b 4 жыл бұрын
Watching this video is a hundred times easier than reading Intel's press briefing!
@awzsdrcfgybhjimklp
@awzsdrcfgybhjimklp 4 жыл бұрын
I was really worried about if Apple would continue to use the thunderbolt specification in the future ARM based Macs, it is a relief to hear that they will be using thunderbolt 4 and continue to support thunderbolt 3.
@NonsensicalSpudz
@NonsensicalSpudz 4 жыл бұрын
Valid thought aswell, luckily thunderbolt is no longer propriety to intel
@Usrthsbcufeh
@Usrthsbcufeh 4 жыл бұрын
Intel made thunderbolt in collaboration with Apple so I didn’t have any doubts about it not being supported tbh
@Inazarab
@Inazarab 3 жыл бұрын
But Apple didn't say they'd support thunderbolt 4 specifically, just that they'd support thunderbolt. They may just continue to use thunderbolt 3 in their ARM macs. They will probably support Thunderbolt 4 but it wasn't stated explicitly.
@coaltrain2299
@coaltrain2299 Жыл бұрын
if they don't switch to usb c they will always have a dogshit cord, usb c is better in every way
@schockofrescher
@schockofrescher Ай бұрын
@@coaltrain2299what are you yapping about?
@Wiseguy1138
@Wiseguy1138 4 жыл бұрын
Just got the notification that my hoodie (same exact one you’re wearing in this video) is now shipping! YAY! Also just glad I have there 2020 13” MacBook Pro with 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports, they’ve been a lifesaver in my workflow!
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for supporting us!
@amieka9371
@amieka9371 4 жыл бұрын
Man this channel deserves to have millions of subscribers. He explains so perfectly.
@aquaphoenixx
@aquaphoenixx 4 жыл бұрын
Future Vadim, can you please give us the lottery numbers in advance please 😁
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha!
@emmanuelwestra6524
@emmanuelwestra6524 4 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial So what is the number 😏
@watema3381
@watema3381 4 жыл бұрын
69 69 69 _noice_
@meetchoudhary1
@meetchoudhary1 4 жыл бұрын
Very well Explained. Could not have got a better explanation Great work Keep making such great videos👍👍👍👍👍
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
I was reading about this today. Good overview and I am excited for this new spec that'll be updated again and again. (:
@prasangaperera1
@prasangaperera1 4 жыл бұрын
I actually came here to know what is this thunderbolt cable, and I got to know even more from the beginning. great video!!!
@tyrant306
@tyrant306 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, I didn't understand the difference between those TB/USB connectors :)
@emjay9733
@emjay9733 3 жыл бұрын
Digging deep into the specs on this one. Great info!
@abvmoose87
@abvmoose87 4 жыл бұрын
Overall pretty good, well balanced, well delivered presentation. God job!
@keith_pictures
@keith_pictures 4 жыл бұрын
you guys make the most comprehensible tech videos - thanks
@adi1_mhd
@adi1_mhd 4 жыл бұрын
@maxtech your explanations are awesome on very informative topics. 😊
@kabbyapaaul
@kabbyapaaul Жыл бұрын
Very well-researched and fine-made video this is. Well Done "Max Tech".
@jasonkao4084
@jasonkao4084 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining everything in detail
@TheSunnySideofCoffee
@TheSunnySideofCoffee 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the clarification! I didn't heard about thunderbolt 3 until lately when I was researching about the new hp spectre 360!
@megapangolin1093
@megapangolin1093 3 жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating video. It is an extremely complex area, confusing and misleading from the lack of attention paid to the consumer by the manufacturers. I am grateful to Max Tech for providing a clear, concise, understandable, well produced compelling explanation of the current mess. Many people will be mislead by what is happening, this video blows away lots of the fog. Thank you MT.
@kptdc
@kptdc 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a great and very informative video. Thanks!
@rodrigoanavalon
@rodrigoanavalon 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! It makes it all clear.
@Konpeko-cj7pc
@Konpeko-cj7pc 4 жыл бұрын
Should be called TB 3.5 or something, definitely doesn’t feel like a 4
@homeape.
@homeape. 4 жыл бұрын
it's about matching the usb name, really, as its pretty much nothing but a certification of a *very good* usb 4 execution
@SupertechUSA
@SupertechUSA 4 жыл бұрын
Excited for this supported more in the near future! 🤩
@rupal_hs
@rupal_hs 4 жыл бұрын
i was also worried about apple arm and thunderbolt relationship. thanks for clarification
@RobbieSkaff
@RobbieSkaff 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another interesting and fun video. : )
@Barnacle392
@Barnacle392 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comparison of USB 3 and 4 and Thunderbolt 3 and 4. Made it crystal-clear.
@supersaiyan310
@supersaiyan310 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Max Tech guys!! gr8 nfo!
@DarkOrion27
@DarkOrion27 4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video, I was wondering the same question
@qubex
@qubex 4 жыл бұрын
Requiring Intel’s VT-d protection for DMA is actually a massive improvement in terms of security. As it currently stands plugging a malicious Thunderbolt 3 device into your machine can read or write to your system’s RAM and do nefarious things such as retrieve sensitive information or overwrite your password with a known one so the attacker can log in as if they were you.
@robeigner4390
@robeigner4390 4 жыл бұрын
Thunderbolt 4 would still require the Intel chip because of VT-d. What Apple might be trying to do is work with Intel to allow Apple's T2 chip to also do what the VT-d chip does. From extremetech article: "Alternately, it’s possible that Intel and Apple will sign some kind of technology license, allowing the DMA protection Intel enforces via VT-d to be implemented on a future Apple ARM chip or specialized security processor like the T2." Without this agreement, Apple would still have to buy and install the VT-d chip, which is worthless on a Mac since Apple already has plenty of specialized security hardware and software and doesn't need anything from Intel. I don't know what external component vendors will be required to do to continue to support Thunderbolt but hopefully they won't have to continue to use Intel's overpriced hardware, thereby being able to reduce the cost on Thunderbolt peripherals.
@lawrence_SoCal
@lawrence_SoCal 4 жыл бұрын
I read that security requirement isn’t Intel specific, but rather that style of protection, such that AMD system are a possibility (and AMD has released statement to this effect)
@zakiazourob3532
@zakiazourob3532 Жыл бұрын
حلم
@zakiazourob3532
@zakiazourob3532 Жыл бұрын
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@zakiazourob3532
@zakiazourob3532 Жыл бұрын
الله له ملك السموات والا رض وهو علي كل شيء قدير
@vipulparmar8113
@vipulparmar8113 3 жыл бұрын
Thank u very much for making it easy to understand
@theneosuperzero
@theneosuperzero 3 жыл бұрын
Are you the same guy from AppleInsider 3 years ago? Nice to see you have improve your speech delivery. Keep it up.
@JasonFiske
@JasonFiske 3 жыл бұрын
A post M1 Mac update to this would be good. We are seeing USB4 / TB4 Docks and they seem to work well, although they all seem to have a front side input which is good for laptops but bad for desktops. The M1 killed eGPU support. USB4 / TB4 cables aren’t available.
@ryanwisephoto
@ryanwisephoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Made everything simple!
@ipadize
@ipadize 4 жыл бұрын
how USB type A works: try to plug it in, doesnt work turning it around also doesnt work turning it around again then works
@quantumsoul3495
@quantumsoul3495 3 жыл бұрын
I dont get this thing. I've never had any problem plugging it. There's a logo which should always be upwards. And if it's reversed you see a line on the connector which you dont' see when it's the right side up.
@Inazarab
@Inazarab 3 жыл бұрын
Micro B is even worse.
@oglcn11
@oglcn11 3 жыл бұрын
@@Inazarab You could at least feel the spikes on micro-b with your hand. I mean the underside
@princebhanwra11
@princebhanwra11 Жыл бұрын
Big confusion very nicely explained. Thanks!
@aksiyonbizde3016
@aksiyonbizde3016 4 жыл бұрын
This video has sections. I didn’t KZbin had this feature. This feature makes the understanding the part easily.
@private679r.i.c.o4
@private679r.i.c.o4 4 жыл бұрын
This feature came last month
@aksiyonbizde3016
@aksiyonbizde3016 4 жыл бұрын
Private679 R.I.C.O both of my iPad and my phones KZbin update is about a year old so I don’t get the features. The comment section is in the old place for me and I have the old mini player on the iPad. I recently watched some videos on an updated device I realized it that time that there is a feature like this.
@aksiyonbizde3016
@aksiyonbizde3016 4 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Jacoby-Cooper Thank You for explaining. It is really a great feature.
@13Cubed
@13Cubed 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Did you guys end up selling the Mac Pro like you were planning to and replacing it with a MacBook Pro with a 5600m? If so, how do you like it, and is that what y'all are using to edit?
@alexkace6620
@alexkace6620 4 жыл бұрын
love your videos!
@TheWuffball
@TheWuffball 4 жыл бұрын
I love your vids, man
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@gkk2001
@gkk2001 3 жыл бұрын
Great channel. You are my go to source to keep up with Apple.
@spencersoloman63
@spencersoloman63 6 ай бұрын
Wow, I thought I was confused before watching this video, now I'm even more confused! Thaaanks
@Adi-ud8wi
@Adi-ud8wi 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. It’s amazing how you guys find these amazing topics.
@remyd8767
@remyd8767 4 жыл бұрын
What an amazing comment
@Adi-ud8wi
@Adi-ud8wi 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing...
@00SNIVY00
@00SNIVY00 4 жыл бұрын
Was going to get a laptop with a 9th gen Intel CPU with Thunderbolt 3, but after having seen how well AMD is doing and with USB 4.0 somewhere on the horizon, I have high hopes that they'll implement both.
@jamesbarrington4729
@jamesbarrington4729 4 жыл бұрын
... 😁... excellent presentation.... !!!... also an excellent example of how fast everything is evolving... i loved my Ataris...😅.....!!!!!....
@jesseallen4184
@jesseallen4184 4 жыл бұрын
I’m slowly starting to understand all these new ports. I just brought a new Mac Mini to replace my 2012 iMac and I had no idea why reviews and spec sites were calling the USB-C ports “thunderbolt 3”.
@IliaKaygorodov
@IliaKaygorodov 4 жыл бұрын
For me the main mystery comes one we talk about power adapters (power delivery). It is stated that USB-C connector can transfer up to 100w of energy. But for example Dell has AC adapters for XPS/Precision line of laptops, that provides 130w (e.g. www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-130-watt-type-c-3-prong-ac-adapter-with-32-ft-power-cord/apd/450-ahom/pc-accessories) . And it works. How could that be?
@High_Key
@High_Key 4 жыл бұрын
So much powerful information
@ansukumarii
@ansukumarii 4 жыл бұрын
A muchhhh needed video!! Cables be so confusing.. Thanks for this!
@CarlosSpicyWiener111
@CarlosSpicyWiener111 4 жыл бұрын
The PCIe bandwidth being doubled to 32 Gb/s seems like a pretty big jump to me. I feel like this would make both high and low end eGPU setups much more worthwhile.
@rodrigo4379
@rodrigo4379 4 жыл бұрын
very informative video!
@solver55
@solver55 3 жыл бұрын
actually happened in ipad Pro 2021 got thunderbolt usb4 great analysis
@maxisenberg9093
@maxisenberg9093 2 жыл бұрын
so to conect a 2020 m1 bacbook to a mid 2017 imac 21.5', i would need a usb4 or thunderbolt 4? would i also be able connect to an additional monitor? i want to run everything off the macbook and display mirror it to the imac, and then use an old tv as a second monitor
@breenahopkins6502
@breenahopkins6502 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh thank you I was wondering!
@Not0rious7
@Not0rious7 4 жыл бұрын
On the 2019 MacBook Pro Apple calls is USB C 3.1 with 10GB transfer speed. The power rating is only 96W
@lonelycake4114
@lonelycake4114 3 жыл бұрын
I need help With the new macbook air m1, how do i connect a cinema display with Mini DisplayPort and an audio interfave with thunderbolt 2?
@sadatnafis2032
@sadatnafis2032 4 жыл бұрын
egpus perform worse than dgpu in mb pro in some peoductivity test despite the egpu having more raw performance. And that happens due to bandwith limitaion. So 32gbps on tb4 (instead of 16gbps on tb3) should resolve the issue right?
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
That’s the minimum spec. I think Thunderbolt 3 already does 32Gbps but I’m not sure if it has other limitations on top of that which could be removed with Thunderbolt 4.
@sadatnafis2032
@sadatnafis2032 4 жыл бұрын
@@MaxTechOfficial Then we have to just wait and watch.
@janiceabel8272
@janiceabel8272 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of hub would you recommend for a display monitor connection display, an external USB (white) microphone, a USB (white) external camera and also like to charge using the thunderbolt. Is that possible?
@strezalenys6523
@strezalenys6523 4 жыл бұрын
Max what's the 'Stand' that a MBP sits in at 2:34 it's a silver concave shape. Thank you Stren.
@tolooptoo
@tolooptoo 3 жыл бұрын
What about Target mode with the new M1 MacBook Air and Pro? I will need to transfer data/apps/Users from my old MacBook Pro 2012 with its Firewire 800...I'm confused - It's no clear to me which Thunderbolt to Firewire 800 adapter I will need to buy? I would appreciate your help on this subject. Thank you
@smeado3533
@smeado3533 3 жыл бұрын
It's been a dream of mine to run my computers in one room of my house and just run cables to each room. That way I can keep one room climate controlled and not worry too much about noise and heat production. Would a fiber optic Thunderbolt 3 cable to a peripheral hub allow me to do this?
@keith_5584
@keith_5584 4 жыл бұрын
1:22 It can get pretty faulty if it gets dust in it, or if the shield snaps from the PCB because the joint was not strong enough. Granted, usb3.0 type A was pretty irritating, especially when something forced them back to 2.0 mode. Type-C smashed that problem. Do not get me wrong all 3 ports are very awesome, but someone needs to solve the strength and conduction problems before trying to shove 40gib/s through the cable. I think it could be as simple as using those old Kingston lock ports to add structural rigidity. (For docks, and maybe like a sidecar to 90 the ports over.) Never-the-less, great video, and happy to have it and share it before confusion sets in.
@ssrini2002
@ssrini2002 4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was techquickie when I saw the thumbnail lol
@jasonkao4084
@jasonkao4084 4 жыл бұрын
Nice this is so good
@debbiecorbo2971
@debbiecorbo2971 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! If I plan to use my phone as a hot spot to run my MacBook Air while on vacation, what type of dock should I get?
@deldarel
@deldarel 3 жыл бұрын
That's kinda disappointing. Nice streamlining and I like the longer cable a ton, but man, a doubling in speed would have been nice. Daisy chaining doesn't make sense if the main device saturates the connection, which egpus do. Also, given that this standard will be around for a few years, no mention of pcie gen 4 is a bit worrying.
@alchemistTi
@alchemistTi 4 жыл бұрын
Did I miss backwards compatibility info? My laptop has TB3, so will I be able to plug in USB-4/TB4 accessories into it and take advantage of the same 40Gbps theoretical maximum speed?
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
yes, as long as your TB4 cable or accessory supports the full speeds that it can.
@kornenator
@kornenator 4 жыл бұрын
USB Type-C can support DisplayPort output without TB3. The problem (difference) comes when you want to hook up multiple displays, then USB 3.2 bandwidth might not be enough.
@bfjoutdoors
@bfjoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
what needs to happen is the devices need to say what they are connected as... like on the screen of a device in will say 40gb or 5gb like as a floating icon over the drive or something? Or on the task bar maybe.
@ranjitmandal1612
@ranjitmandal1612 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@MichaelAres
@MichaelAres 2 жыл бұрын
What Thunderbolt 4 cable should I get for the new MacBook Pro 16-inch with the M1 Pro chip?
@vanila2012
@vanila2012 3 жыл бұрын
Well explained.
@KoepenickDrums
@KoepenickDrums 3 жыл бұрын
USB: You don't know what you get Thunderbolt: You pay to know what you get
@KolnFriedChicken
@KolnFriedChicken 3 жыл бұрын
Within the minimum specs for USB4 on the Intel board it doesn't say anything about PCIe connection, on TB3 it says minimum requirement 16 GBytes/s which would be 2xPCIe3.0 or 1xPCIe4, though afaik TB3 is always connected to 4 PCIe3.0 lanes... So I'm even more confused than before. Does USB4 always have TB3 support and does TB3 means what TB3 means (4xPCIe3.0 lanes) or does it sometimes have TB support, sometimes not and sometimes it may have but is connected with fewer lanes as the standard otherwise dictates????
@bellelin3381
@bellelin3381 4 жыл бұрын
Thunderbolt 4 cable will have Thunderbolt Icon and 4 on the connector, it’s pretty easy to tell
@Inazarab
@Inazarab 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but not all thunderbolt 3 cables transfer the same speed or power. So how does one know If they are using a thunderbolt 3 or 4 cable if they have the same icon?
@Tiffs-bookshelf
@Tiffs-bookshelf 3 жыл бұрын
So can you tell me what the difference would be on the new iMac with the usb4 and thunderbolt.
@HiFiInsider
@HiFiInsider 4 жыл бұрын
can you make a video on the Apple $130 T3 cable and why it's so much more costly than Belkin?
@drifter4training
@drifter4training 4 жыл бұрын
so when are we (some of us who want more data transfer accessibility etc.) getting thunderbolt speed and full bandwidth that is desktop pcie x16 ?
@2Evan
@2Evan 3 жыл бұрын
Complicated but informative. Might explain why first 2 hubs we bought to connect Ethernet cable (Cat-6) to our M1 MBA did not work. It does connect, but no internet. Weird! WiFi works great, but unreliable for long videoconference calls. iPad Pro does work when wired. Just ordered 3rd hub (Uni 8-in-1) that works on M1. Or maybe all of this has nothing to do with Thunderbolt-4. 🤞🏽
@BankruptGreek
@BankruptGreek 2 жыл бұрын
So if you want a good thunderbolt 3 and USB 4 cable you could get a thunderbolt 4 cable? What I am getting from the video is that thunderbolt 4 is practically a certification that a cable can support the full functionality of thunderbolt3/usb4
@supreethsudhakar1789
@supreethsudhakar1789 2 жыл бұрын
I have an iPad pro M1. So does that mean I use normal USB Type-C cables/devices on the thunderbolt 3 port that is there on the iPad pro m1?
@pratikxv
@pratikxv 4 жыл бұрын
Actually thunderbolt was created by Intel and Apple together SO I makes sense that they can make it work with Apple silicon bcoz they have rights to the technology.
@karisumataichou
@karisumataichou 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my company tested out a prototype in late 2010 on an Apple system when it was still known as Lightpeak.
@danielsaldana8861
@danielsaldana8861 3 жыл бұрын
You are the best utuber
@tkurosaka
@tkurosaka 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not still clear about the relationship between Thunderbolt-x and USB-y. Are they just different names for the same thing? I'd appreciate it if you could explain it when you update this video clip.
@LeonardoAlexi
@LeonardoAlexi 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has read extensively on the topics of USB-C, USB 3 (all versions), USB4, Thunderbolt 3 & Thunderbolt 4, I can tell you that this video does the best job I've ever seen in clarifying these concepts. Thank you very much! 3 things I'm not clear about: 1. When a laptop manufacturer chooses to implement Thunderbolt 4 (40 Gbps of course), does that port have to support USB4 40 Gbps, or can the manufacturer choose to only support USB4 20 Gbps? 'Cause remember, with Thunderbolt 3 ports, the TB3 connection is at 40 Gbps, but the USB connection could either be SuperSpeed 10 Gbps or SuperSpeed 20 Gbps. That was left up to the manufacturer, so now I'm wondering whether it's the same with USB4 40 Gbps & USB4 20 Gbps. 2. I saw the compact Thunderbolt 4 dock. My question is: When Intel says the dock has four (4) Thunderbolt 4 ports, does that include the port that's connected to the laptop? In other words, will we have a total of five (5) ports - One connected to the laptop, and four (4) free ones, or will we have a total of four (4) ports - one connected to the laptop, and three (3) free ones? 3. The compact Thunderbolt 4 dock, is it only powered via the TB4 connection to the laptop, or does it require its own power supply?
@sector046
@sector046 4 жыл бұрын
1. Yes. In a nutshell, USB4 is essentially combining both USB 3 Gen 2x2 and Thunderbolt 3 into a single standard. However, in USB4, Thunderbolt 3 is optional, meaning that you could have 20-40 Gbps bandwidth depending on the laptop manufacturer's decision to use Thunderbolt 3 or not. Now, in Thunderbolt 4, all they're really doing is using USB4, but forcing the usage of Thunderbolt 3 for 40 Gbps bandwidth (bidirectional) and forcing DMA security. In Thunderbolt 4, they're achieving the higher display resolutions by allowing the data lanes to change to a single direction, enabling 80 Gbps of bandwidth for video. 2. The connection from a dock/hub to the laptop is referred to an upstream port, whereas the connection from a dock/hub to another peripheral is a downstream port. My assumption is that four Thunderbolt ports means that there are four downstream ports for peripherals and one upstream port for the laptop. 3. Most all docks I've seen are self-powered, so I'd expect this to be the same. Hubs are different as they'll draw power directly from the device and can sometimes offer the ability to provide power.
@Maxkraft19
@Maxkraft19 4 жыл бұрын
I am glade to see Apple support thunderbolt. It should play a lot of fears. But I really wish they would be more forthcoming about what's on these new Macs. Any system shipping this year must be almost finalized. I am going to guess they are waiting to create there promotional material before sharing a lot of these facts. But there are a lot of users that have invested in docks, eGPUs and 10gbe networking and some of us want to know if this is still a good idea.
@kindaorcin
@kindaorcin 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if thunderbolt 4 will boost e-gpu performance?
@musa_hierro8594
@musa_hierro8594 4 жыл бұрын
So will I be able to use the cheaper external USB 4 devices (like eGPUs) on a 15 inch MacBook Pro (2019) or will I still have to buy the expensive Thunderbolt 3 stuff?
@yabnawi7396
@yabnawi7396 3 жыл бұрын
So with the Controller chip integrated within the CPU. means that Thunderbolt will support Windows and other devices within USB4 outputs in the future?
@AlexanderKorotkov42
@AlexanderKorotkov42 4 жыл бұрын
The end of this video nearly gave me a heart attack haha my entire set up is Thunderbolt 3
@sppss914
@sppss914 4 жыл бұрын
My heart seized when I heard that, I was like nooooooo and the next sec I’m relieved.
@IAmHollow
@IAmHollow 4 жыл бұрын
what's the vertical laptop stand at 2:33 called?
@Steven-fv8xw
@Steven-fv8xw 4 жыл бұрын
Why does Thunderbolt 4 refuse to double its bandwidth even though PCIE4.0 has doubled its bandwidth? PCIe4.0*4 has a bandwidth of 80Gbits/s
@Chad-bq7vw
@Chad-bq7vw 3 жыл бұрын
What's that thing on top of the GPU enclosure @ 5:27? It looks like a little monitor that's showing what's on the screen in the background but I don't understand why.
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
It's just an extra monitor we hooked up to fix a performance issue with the 5700 XT eGPU system
@saadplayz18
@saadplayz18 4 жыл бұрын
I heard a news saying that (a guy who put cheap USB C, which causes his macbook spark on trackpad and MacBook automatically disable all USB C, that were running.
@JamieAlban
@JamieAlban 3 жыл бұрын
excited for port convergence
@roger767
@roger767 4 жыл бұрын
Can you use a Thunderbolt 3/4 cable on a USB4 port?
@kingfisch
@kingfisch 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing this up 🤔🤪
@benjaminjwilson6694
@benjaminjwilson6694 3 жыл бұрын
Is there one cable to rule them all? If I wanted to power the latest and greatest laptop and use that same cable to charge, lets say the s21 ultra when it drops. What wall wart would you get?
@_____alyptic
@_____alyptic Жыл бұрын
Asymmetric USB-C will be interesting especially if it can flip directions itself
@sriramsundar8388
@sriramsundar8388 4 жыл бұрын
I like the future Vadim!
@cliffordnelson8454
@cliffordnelson8454 3 жыл бұрын
Now they need to add the sensing and feedback on limitations cable. That way the computer can tell you the power and speed limitations of the cable. That would make life so much easier. To me is sort of sucks that the power limitation of thunderbolt 4 is 15 W.
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