Thunderer - A Marksman's Dream

The Thunderer has some of the scariest guns at T10. Incredible dispersion, a meaty caliber and a penetration value that is no joke. The only balancing factor is the squishy hull they are located on, but even that's not really THAT weak, leaving it a real powerhouse in the battle. As usual, you can find my complete build at the end.

[@Flamuu]

If the Smolensk didn't exist, I'd straight up say "get this one". Now it's a debate. Can upload a game of Thunderer where I shoot almost nothing but HE (306k damage) if you guys want, the ship is fantastic with both shell types. Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@herrvorragend1175]

Please do :)

[@Opaheke1]

Well, damn here was me hoping the Flaming Potato King would solve the Thunderer vs Smolensk dilemma for me. Damn, does this mean I now have to think for myself? Nah, I'll just ask reddit, reddit's always right ;)

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Based off this I would say you are actually leaning towards Thunderer, since it offers much the same benefits in terms of fun and strength, but it is much less problematic for the game's health.

[@grandgao3984]

Also interested in seeing the HE in action! Btw the faster heal cooldown might be worth mentioning?

[@glitchrr36]

Since this seems to be the best way to answer your question toward the end of the video and have you see it, I’m posting here. The reason that the Thunderer has faster reload and traverse is that since the turrets are twins, so they’re actually lighter than the Conq’s triple turrets. This means with the same housing you can fit more reload equipment and the traverse motors are more effective than the heavier triple. Source: 18"/45 (45.7 cm) Mark II and other Proposed Guns 1920-1922 from NavWeaps

[@black07rr]

To be perfectly honest, if i clicked on a vid of yours and it didnt start with "hello, hello everyone" I would probably immediately back out and think it was a scam

[@Talguy21]

psst... Flamu, if there's a gun to your head and Wargaming are making you play, just omit the hello hello next time- we'll get the police. ;)

[@thiagosantiago1704]

@@Talguy21 this is just WoWs C.I.S geting started :v

[@edhikurniawan]

at least you recognized it is him.

[@nelsoncheng2674]

That Patriot you’re not me and you’ll never be. I’m sorry but some things need to be said clear and done.

[@thepakofactor5018]

That Patriot facts.

[@ryanc00p3r3]

9:56 oof..... R.I.P Des Moine Hopes and Dreams o7

[@Warmaker01]

I laughed hard because dude sailed into that cap knowing full well that Flamu's Thunderer was sailing back and forth north of that cap. It's not like Flamu stopped shooting and disappeared for 5 minutes. He'd been shooting regularly showing where he was at. But NOOOoooo... DM rolls into the cap like there's no threat anywhere nearby.

[@MoA-Reload...]

Good to see the potato armour fail though 😂 sssooooo many broadsiding cruisers lately get away with that sort of positioning

[@kikekike2558]

He Just cumed

[@legiox3719]

When Flamu plays everyone on enemy team decides to sail broadside and ask for cits.

[@Arengeesus]

Proof that CCs sucked ass. It's only a joke

[@dgray3771]

Was in a game with Flamu once and the entire team went beserk, going after him. Resulting in everyone broadsiding to the enemy fleet. Needless to say what happened though...

[@BubbaCheez78]

I love that this ship was birthed from a meme.

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

Provide me details good sir.

[@BubbaCheez78]

shipcomrade.com/?p=790 Completely fabricated by LittleWhiteMouse as a joke premium ship. I think it was just to scare people. She put it at tier IX and slapped some 457mm guns on it. Along with a very convincing "review" of the ship. I guess WG saw this and was like "This is perfect!" You can see at the very bottom of the review she gives a disclaimer on the whole thing. *"Thunderer is my design, not Wargaming’s. They’re not bringing this into the game… at least, I hope they’re not. I intentionally made this design as trollish as I could while trying to echo some design ideas Wargaming has floated in the past."*

[@SebaX92]

*born

[@thatonewaguy7841]

BubbaCheez78 yeah, sounds about right for WG

[@MrOiram46]

That One WA Guy WG: *Stonks*

[@godalmighty83]

For the turret traverse it's becuase the Thunderer has the Conq legendary built in. Same as the ruddershift, the difference is the Conq has to give up the concealment mod for those benefits, the Thunderer does not.

[@filipic12]

i missed the ship reviews nowadays its just stream highlights

[@MoA-Reload...]

Have to admit, it is great to see reviews make a return. As long as he enjoys putting in the effort because safe bet KZbin won't be paying out on it and working for free sucks when you don't enjoy it

[@nelsoncheng2674]

I really enjoy listening your speeches, your paragraphs are so well-structured and well-organized and so smooth, it just feels so coherent listening to you telling stories about our favorite virtual warships😊

[@rmsdoodles3534]

Same. He is nice to listen to.

[@aprilwhitemouse1593]

Great assessment, Flamu. You got Thunderer's turning statistics right. They're listed as 820m in port, it's 930m in game just like Conqueror.

[@Roytulin]

April WhiteMouse Is the maximum healing rate same as the Warspite? ie 0.6% per second?

[@aprilwhitemouse1593]

@@Roytulin Yes. It's 0.6% per second for 28s. She has better damage queuing than Warspite though, sharing the same 60% of penetration damage (and 100% of fire, flooding and ramming damage), but Thunderer queues 33% of citadel damage instead of Warspite's 10%.

[@Roytulin]

@@aprilwhitemouse1593 Cheers! Helpful as always

[@grandgao3984]

Finally, Tier 10 Warspite! The dream!! (Btw Warspite pen doesn't seem that insane tbh, still sufficient with massive overmatching. It's really the accuracy + hard-to-master but super effective plunging shells that strike the difference. )

[@swift9417]

I always enjoy a proper Flamu commentary! It's like every time I watch one I get a better player, because he highlights some points I still do wrong on a daily basis. Thx for inversing the time in those commentaries :)

[@IchZaehmeKuehe]

honestly looks like a lot of fun, but I'm still not happy with the way WG is pumping out high Tier Premiums like it's nothing, a lot of which are straight up better than their tech-tree counterparts. T10 matches these days are packed with Premiums which easily get's annoying in my opinion

[@carstenhansen5757]

For that reason I've decided to stick with tier 7.

[@rokko1020]

how so? you enter a t10 match and see a premium and go like.."you are annoying!" and then you see a t10 tree ship and say "you are ok!" ? i mean..like..what differences does it make to you? dun get it

[@srir.5282]

Thunderer isn't better than Conq, they're different.

[@Jacob-og3ie]

@@rokko1020 he mad cause he doesnt have prem t10

[@krishnaraju6790]

@@rokko1020 I think he meant gimmick ships like the smolensk..nowadays the game is to find the smolensk..and push him even at the cost of sacrificing one of your ships and killing him..luckily for me I'm from the SEA region..and not a lot of smolensk players know when to stop clicking..and get killed pretty easily..but the occasional good player pretty much brings tears to oppositions.

[@thomaswp2706]

This is sort of play style is something that I hope comes in a potential RN Battlecruiser line. I can’t wait to get this ship

[@joelreis5366]

I think the rudder shift is the same as the Conkek legendary module one.

[@ramjb]

Little commentary about gun reload of smaller vs bigger guns. It actually isn't far fetched at all to have bigger guns reloading faster than smaller caliber ones - if the bigger ones are in twin turrets, and the larger ones in triples. Essentially and without going into quite extensive and complex explanations, yes, they are bigger guns, but you only need two shells per turret vs needing three (smaller, yet still huge) shells for the smaller caliber. It's only natural and easy to understand that handling 2 massive shells is quite less of an inconvenience than handling three smaller, but still massive, shells. Hence the realism BS about this ship vs Conqueror doesn't come from the reload. It comes from somehow selling the idea that the same turret ring&barbette that can accomodate two 457mm guns (and their related equipment, gun handling mechanisms to elevate/depress the guns, reloading mechanisms, etc), can do the same with a turret housing three 419mm guns. That's BS to the max, and completely laughable. But the fact that a twin 457mm turret can reload faster than a triple 419mm gun one is not. (for the sake of comparison and perception - The scharnhorst barbette&turret ring was just big enough, after some adaptation work, to accomodate a twin 380mm turret...while being designed for a 280mm triple turret. That's a whooping 100mm of caliber differential. And it's not as if the 280mm turret had been designed to be cramped or small, it was quite spacious for the caliber...and that turret ring and barbette still only could barely handle a twin 380mm mount. Compare that with this BS).

[@brother-captaindiomedes2058]

Compare the 100mm difference increase on the scharnhorst to the 38mm increase on thunderer?

[@1987ZerO]

WG never really care about hard facts from caliber and turret size. Just look up the Republique, 431mm in a quad turret and still only 24 seconds reload. It's a game after all and they have to make it fun to play. Most people wouldn't enjoy a game thats tied to the real facts of warships of these eras. Play War Thunder naval if i wanna have more realism.

[@thelvadam2884]

Finally someone that knows his stuff , that 2x 457 are more realistic then 3x419 guns

[@alfredneumann4332]

the biggest nightmare when i was playing my GK back then. i saw thunderer on my flank and knew i would burn to a crisp within 5 minutes

[@adayhr]

One minute of silence for the Des Moines's crew...☻

[@kagakai7729]

I love that they finally gave us the t10 Warspite we all wanted

[@crucisnh]

@tamenga88 This is what the entire RN BB line should have been from day 1.

[@godalmighty83]

Almost, the Warspite still has the best secondaries and turning circle of any RN BB. The Conq and Thund turning circles are bugged while the secondaries are entirely cosmetic. But compared to the release version of the Conq? FAR closer to Warspite goodness.

[@kagakai7729]

@@godalmighty83 if you're playing Warspite even remotely for the secondaries then you deserve to be uptiered into full tier 8 games lmao

[@graysongreydeathcarlyle]

Now just imagine getting so many broadside enemy in RL random matches, that alone (no matter the ship) is what I would want :O

[@ZaffaPlaysGames]

this is seriously strong (maybe just a touch too much when it comes to accuracy). but jeez, can they finally nerf smolensk?

[@beefkidgaming2368]

TheCouchpotato00 you lucky bastard

[@Kwolfx]

I like playing the Warspite. I just picked up the Thunderer this morning but didn't have the time to play a game. I can't wait to try it out, though I like ships you can push in with. I'll have to avoid doing that with this ship.

[@MrOP-jw1zp]

6:25 I think you should ve stressed the lower cooldown thing more. It's a huge advantage to something like a Republique which also suffers from its 32mm deck and doesn't have that insane ruddershift or stealth.

[@Snagabott]

I would say that Worcester is at least as scary to this one as Smolensk... Smolensk, for all its good sides, cannot penetrate 32mm, and fires are not in and of themselves any worse to this ship than any other. Wocester on the other hand, _does_penetrate 32mm of armor, which you have all over your body. That will melt you frighteningly fast.

[@FlamingZombie626]

I have no idea why you would skip IFHE on either

[@Snagabott]

@@FlamingZombie626 Smolensk with IFHE penetrates 28mm of armor (21 mm without). Thunderer has at least 32mm everywhere except the superstructure, so IFHE would not help a Smolensk do more damage to Thunderer.

[@TheRobbiUno]

Snagabott at last, an intelligent Smolensk comment. It’s super squishy and it’s main gimmick is fire which can be healed.

[@sethsherlock9694]

@@TheRobbiUno squishy only at Max range plunge...it does NOT get citadeled within direct arc range. THAT is the biggest issue imo, more than smoke and HE even, it NEEDS to be made more squishy if it stays as is, or nerf the gunpower, or the smoke. It cannot stay as is.

[@Arengeesus]

Kremlin : wut?

[@cappytin1317]

It always appears that Flamu gets all the broadsides available in game,that's true, can I suggest watching his BB positioning videos, I did I tried all went well and my score doubled that of previous games, also note his voice he likes this ship. Anyway ty for video seems like a great ship

[@josynaemikohler6572]

Triple and Quadruple gun turrets tend to have a lower rate of fire compared to twins, even with smaller caliber, since everything is more growded, more complicated, more prone to malfunctions. For example both, the Bayern and the Queen Elizabeth class using 15" guns had a higher, theoretical rate of fire, compared to the US standards built at the same time with 14" guns. In practice however, the ROF was around 1 per minute, regardless, because you have to observe were your shell land and adjust accordingly.

[@gothamgoon4237]

11 citadels. Sweet mother of mercy. I think my max citadel count for one game is 3 and I think I've only managed that twice in almost 2 years of playing.

[@McLoven-vm1ck]

I pick this up today and got one match in it before I had to log off and it seems pretty cool, pulled my way in a win in random. I’ve been avoiding the royal navy battleships and heavy cruisers as the HE/Fire farming play style doesn’t really appeal to me. This ship seem pretty cool though so I had to snag one.

[@Warmaker01]

This is a really good ship for a Battleship player that demands reliable gunnery above all else. Accurate guns, fantastic turret traverse. Slap MBM3 and you got 22.9 seconds reload. The AP is very useful and you still retain trade mark RN BB HE shells. The guns, shells have an answer for everything.

[@doughalstead7608]

Hands down- buy the Thunderer

[@brevanh1737]

One question about "how can it be faster when bullet bigger" stuff, well 2 barrels. Each one would weigh more but you have fewer guns. Also space, we know the kg5class battleship had gun issues and this was credited with the additional complexity of fitting 4 guns in a turret rather than two (i think nelson has similar issues). So for make-believe logic, you could argue, you are moving fewer if heavier shells with more space. (maybe the additional space allows for more crew to help maneuver the round or better lifting gear.

[@xendriarch6191]

“The Conqueror has the 4x3 490 mm guns” Yeah, whatever you say Flamu. Lol. 00:49

[@VidZarg]

He said 419

[@TK-fk4po]

I think it sounds great. You must play safe but you can seriously punish mistakes - like that Des Moines.

[@nicholasmelby5361]

I just got this ship and I must say that it is a ton of fun. My only regret is not getting it sooner.

[@galicije83]

me to..ill take it 2 days ago...its so fun to play with it...before that i take JB, then Smolensk, Georgia and now Thunderer....Georgia also is fun to play.....

[@VicariousReality7]

"A lot of people are familiar with the conqueror" ...... are ya sure about that

[@JamesRicho]

I am very close to having the coal for this ship, and your video has sold me!

[@selectthedead]

Can we please coppy these gun characterisics now to the german 8 barrel ships?????

[@nelsoncheng2674]

Yes! A commentary! Love from me Flamu🤗

[@SithLordmatthew]

Love this ship 90 games in it and it just gets better and better I waited 3 plus years to break 300k in a game and that was bourgogne. I have now had 300k games twice in the last 5 days in thunderer. In fact after last night I now have the 17th highest damage game on the NA server in it 327,433 damage with 26 fires. You get nuclear HE use it set fires on everything you can. If cruisers close the distance switch to your 18 inch AP shells they over mach every part of them and you will delete them with out even trying. She has the same weakness of every french and British bb 32 mm every where including the deck which means yamato over matches your deck from any angle you can and will get CIT. Now go out there and tea bag someone.

[@shahinjogi5228]

Just such a perfect informative review. All please acknowledge Flamu as the best WOWS CC we have because of videos like this. I am literally coming up to this decision regarding Smolensk or Thunderer and this video helps me make my decision. Thank you Also, what do you think are the chances that Smolensk gets nerfed at all.....

[@Sky_Guy]

When the German BBs get their dispersion reworked, AA becomes a satisfying mechanic, the Japanese torpedo boats matter, and Hell freezes over.

[@hotpenguin607]

I thought about getting smolensk but was sceptical becuz its just so op it makes me feel like I have no skill when I melt ppl to death Then they released the thunderer whos got excellent accuracy great pen and fast rudder shift, so I bought it Didnt regret at all, not one bit

[@facenoise465]

Did Flamu suffer from a skull breach after the friendly Shima torp hit? He said the Thunderer has 4 guns in 15:26. The flooding might have removed the "x2" in his equation.

[@sameerkharade7750]

I wish matchmaking in World of Warships was such that same Tier ships would be put against eachother. Playing a Tier VI ship against quite a few Tier VIII ships is simply heartbreaking, more when carriers are there in the match. Although I have been able to citadel a Geogia in my Gneisnau, it still takes away the fun when I see higher Tier ships in the pre-match screen. Would be more fun for Tier VI against Tier VI and so on for every Tier. I wish this could happen.

[@davidwoods7408]

You deliberately corrected course and drove straight into the friendly torps. Why?

[@saturnascension]

So he can be more careful on where he torp spams next time

[@teacoffee5847]

I was thinking the same! He had enough time to slow down and still carry on in a straight line into the island rather than hitting the torp and using the island to stop 😂 didnt make sence but i bet the other guy who let thoughs torps off was pissed knowing he could of slowed or stopped! You dont cross the road without looking eachway lol

[@thegreyghost5846]

That 63% fire chance gave me stage 3 cancer

[@godalmighty83]

That's less combined fire chance than the Conq and roughly equal to the 12 gun BBs. It's the HE alpha which is the main advantage, the blast zone is related to alpha so each individual shell can break AA and secondaries across a significant portion of a ship.

[@brett76544]

I am wondering, Georgia or thunderer for coal. Not sure which one to get right now.

[@IIISentorIII]

a 21 minute game and *every* single enemy ship was full broadside to you! wth is this?!?

[@hakansenturk4972]

They don't know thunderer's accurated guns. I think these are most accurated guns in game. Velocity is good, good chance to penetrate angled citadels. These bullets can penetrate an angled kremlin citadel. Sooo, if you play with thunderer; you don't need full broadsides. And this ship extremely stealth. You can ambush to cruisers and other bbs with this. Because they don't wait you.

[@nelsoncheng2674]

IIISentorIII it’s about positioning, he flanked their broadsides.

[@Sky_Guy]

@@nelsoncheng2674 whaaat? no it can't be, flamu must be lucky and i must be unlucky! it's the only answer!

[@60250175]

It looks like a super Vanguard

[@mr.irongut2585]

So I can buy a coal ship, but not sure which one to buy I’m stuck between Thunderer and Marceau which would u recommend?

[@TheBaralinChannel]

Love how this ship looks. Don't understand what you mean about defensive AA. It shreds.

[@khbfn5425]

Hi Flamu, would you recommend this or Gunther Lutjens to purchase with coal? I currently only play the German lines, but looking to expand into new ones. Thanks!

[@evarno1262]

my mosvka can confirm that the thunderer does indeed eat citadels xD

[@vauldur3385]

To me, she feels like a Tier X Vanguard. Except that AP does something on the Thunderer

[@charleslarrivee2908]

Interesting...but except for the comment about raised citadel, it seems, Flamu, that you disregard the rework to Conqueror (her heal actually heals a fair bit more citadel damage and her accuracy is better). I find Conqueror very consistent myself so long as I play smart and don't potato. Also the T10 Warspite comparision isn't quite accurate, since for T6 Warspite is ridiculously tough and agile, regens more along the lines of Conqueror than Thunderer, and actually has meaningful secondaries and can brawl. But...since I am not even seriously considering Smolblap and already have a Legendary DM with Permanent camo, it'll either be Thunderer or Yoshino if I get enough coal before the update changes.

[@hotpenguin607]

A few days ago I got my hands on the Thunderer, it was like my BB wet dream

[@IIISentorIII]

why, you got water in the engine room?

[@brittdang672]

The thing is since HE is so good. People will question why would I used AP instead HE since one salvo can do 10k and set people on fire all the time.

[@rodneyh7693]

Thunderer - A Marksman's Dream RNG - "Troll face" Its a good ship though

[@zobayer1]

Problem with this ship though, when it comes to tanking, she doesn't cut it.

[@FlamingZombie626]

I mean it's currently Kremlin or shut up in that department so shrug

[@zobayer1]

@@FlamingZombie626 yep, totally balanced comrade. don't you dare question it....

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@FlamingZombie626 seems that way.... That's the trade off with this ship, the way you play "defensively" in this ship is to delete the enemy before they have chance to damage you.... And also those massive HE shells are the counter to the Kremlin's silly armour and HP pool....

[@FinlayDaG33k]

"A Marksman's Dream" you mean a "muh ima go sniper"'s dream

[@saturnascension]

People wouldn't snipe so much if torpedoes weren't certified cancer

[@FinlayDaG33k]

@@saturnascension If you think torpedoes are cancer... you just need to learn how to deal with them... I mean sure, they are certified cancer if you keep sailing in straight lines, peeking through your binoculars and keep broadsiding that nice enemy smoke 24/7... Buuuut if you keep feathering the throttle, do not sail in straight lines and take note of smokes, you should be able to anticipate torpedoes pretty easily...

[@belladesa91]

@@saturnascension torps require predicting, not a big deal if u know when to push. HE spammers are the real threat that holds ppl from pushing

[@AggrarFarmer]

It may be an nice option for me when coupon is back .

[@congratsyoufoundmychannel1098]

Hey look...! Its the *HMS Thorkeror!!!*

[@VooDooZg]

And than you put special module on CQ and you have more agile ship then this - you have almost cruiser BB in term of maneuverability

[@NatCr3w]

So far fighting this thing has been a mixed bag. Maybe it's just the players but I consistently feel like I can easily farm them in my Ibuki and Yoshino. Occasionally you get a really good player but the range I have on the two makes it easy to counter snipe with HE. Maybe the players will get better but I have noticed just how squishy it it to farm.

[@petros311]

Thunderer or Georgia flamu? for a player that has middle skills?

[@RedXlV]

Instead of making this a coal ship, they should've just removed the 419mm from Conqueror and given it these stats.

[@estoyaqui5386]

Conqueror: Great ship, wanna have it! Slava: booh, ru-bias, fook WG ...the playerbase is not nationally biased at all :)

[@jozseftoth9368]

The playerbase can do them a favour..

[@TheDinons]

Hi,i see lots of new ships in game anw.here is my question,what do u think is good dmg in this game,how can we say yeei did good dmg,sugestion ?200%of shps hp,morel ,less,maybe higher,can u make a video about that in naer future....or something .....thks

[@farmcat9873]

they are just making these ships strong and faster every time there is a new ship and soon enough your just gonna have ships that are old that not anybody is gonna want to play.

[@arch_2076]

Sad Yamato sounds

[@livz666]

Are you comparing the handling to the Legendary mod Conq or the non legendary mod Conq?

[@trlacr1781]

So did they delete the 457's on the Conq?

[@sarpkaplan4449]

yes

[@TheBimjo]

Yep

[@trlacr1781]

@Mr.Denton yup

[@Roytulin]

Flip. They didn’t even give me back the XP I spent on researching those guns.

[@trlacr1781]

@@Roytulin Really?? Oh that sucks :(

[@praoscrihdoe5463]

I feel like if you had conq you should get discount on thunderer

[@The.Chiefman]

What is the flash ring that occurs over the ocean at 2:01 ? i see it quite often but never knew how to describe it or look it up

[@drachen6096]

That is the graphical effect when someone activates radar.

[@MultiFisher01]

How does this ship compare to Slava in your opinion? Seems like the gun is really accurate, 1 less gun but higher caliber so arguably this is even more deadly against cruisers?

[@godalmighty83]

The Slava had 6 guns forward and awesome shell velocity so it was less lobbing floaty shells like the Thunder and more firing an ion cannon across the water water at something.

[@Charron684]

so realy realy good is code for OP ok ?

[@LooWa01]

I know it is a diffirent Tier. But how does it compare to Jean Bart and Georgia?

[@bread5450]

The main problem with smolensk is the super small size of it making it insanely hard to hit it. Just increase the size to the Soviet level than see how it go

[@sirdaine2567]

Why can't i get that dispersion for my soviet BBs..

[@jarrusjenkins]

Move closer.... It's what they were made for

[@sirdaine2567]

@@jarrusjenkins I know but i still get trollish dispersion even at 8 kms, and at tier 8-10 getting closer to the enemy for long periods of time may not be the greatest strategy because of all the HE spam

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@sirdaine2567 yeah....pretty much with the HE spam. Seriously though, Soviet guns get more accurate the closer you get, it's built into the game

[@belladesa91]

@@sirdaine2567 Soviet BB's got a shit ton of deck armor lol

[@Tasukete_22]

I like how the top 3 tier 10 is all premiums

[@sarpkaplan4449]

ehh, this thing is not good under focus so go to bb is kremlin, go to aggressive cruiser is either moskva or des moines depending on the map and player preference, go to dd w cvs included is gearing, kiting ship is hiv so yeah, prems are good for random farming but not anything competitive

[@carstenhansen5757]

Yeah, getting close to pay to win. But hey, they gotta make money somehow.

[@sarpkaplan4449]

@@jeremyjean13 it can push rather well, henri or yoshi is far better for defending. Hinden is just bad w the concealment and low speed, along w anemic he

[@sarpkaplan4449]

@@jeremyjean13 eh citadel is as weak as any other t10 except zao, moskva can push into most things bow in and take it unlike hinden that gets chunked for 20k from front by kremlins. Also hinden ap is garbage, lowish pen and no improved pen angles mean dm demolishes it in cqc. Hinden is probably the weakest t10 ca rn

[@teacoffee5847]

@@jeremyjean13 i have the yoshi and i think its brilliant at both offensive and defensive its got a fast health boost, always keep at an angle of 10-15° and you are fine also with the special modules it can hold its ground. Also has alpha HE which has a dmg of 5100 per shell and the accuracy is amazing it has one of the highest fire % rates in the game giving it nearly a fire every shot you shoot at 38% without flags. I also think the venezia is a mid range ship with the henri or des as assaulting cruisers as they have greater deflecting angles on there bows. I have so many ships and i think the yoshino is by far the best cruiser it just needs to swap out hydro for radar. Moskva sucks along with the smolensk.. if you wanna grind a decent bb then krem is the way forward

[@gtifighter]

13:10 at this point you should have seen the friendly torps 10s ago and slowed down to full stop to avoid them. Basically what you did was catch one torp on purpose giving that friendly ship a pink name for the next 3 games threatening to get his accound banned.

[@saturnascension]

Maybe now he'll pay better attention to friendly ships in the vicinity before he torp spams a low hp ship..lol

[@Shachza]

Use Jack Dunkirk? But now we have Jingles!

[@honeybadgerflys8162]

feels bad being a Yamato driver

[@lillekarl87]

What do you think about the GK in the current patch?

[@teh_copbine5081]

I am just sad wg butchered Hoods AA, sure the long range AA guns are quite good, but that's about it. nothing special from the UP AA MKI and no special def fire.

[@theheavytonk928]

Even if the short range AA was buffed to the point where it is as powerful as Des Moines, they are the so-called, too late AA. Planes could just fly through the AA without getting destroyed. On the other hand, the long-range AA can destroy planes before they get close. Short range AA could be dodged entirely, but the long range cant

[@FlamingZombie626]

I see shades of the Vanguard in there with the accuracy and agility. Is it worth the coal if I like that ship?

[@ryanli5803]

yeah probably its like vanguard but with big guns so you can actually overmatch stuff

[@Stonecrow99]

@@ryanli5803 ive had this ship an hour, I don't have any british bb's, I loves her, her ap is insane, her HE is troll, 64% fire chance and I get like 3 fires a game..if that

[@00bean00]

Four guns? Pepega

[@TheRealBirdmann]

This is being removed!

[@alexrussell5401]

like the look of this ship .only about 30k coal til i can get her but cant wait :)

[@MrOP-jw1zp]

5:37 Isn't it 80%?

[@Gundolf300]

So. Where to put countless hours worth of coal? Georgia or Thunderer?

[@belladesa91]

Thunderer. T9 ranked were opened just to give devs time to fix CV's

[@johnnyenglish583]

What about Thunderer vs. Georgia? Which is a better ship? And, more importantly, which is more fun to play?

[@jarrusjenkins]

I think the comparison really is Ohio vs Thunderer

[@johnnyenglish583]

@@jarrusjenkins but I thought Ohio was sold for steel, not coal? I only have coal.

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@johnnyenglish583 research points I believe, you get them from regrinding a line of ships that you've reached teir 10 in. The reason why I said Ohio is a better comparison is because they're very similar to each other whereas Georgia is somewhat different and a tier lower.

[@johnnyenglish583]

@@jarrusjenkins thanks, Brett. It might take me a while to get enough research points to get the Ohio, but she looks like an interesting ship to have. I'm still wondering what to spend my 250k coal on, though 😊

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@johnnyenglish583 It depends what you like to play, personally I'm after the Thunderer.

[@ArcheustheWhite]

Soooo... Larger, Stronger, T10 Vanguard?

[@IIISentorIII]

yep, but you can't put out a 20+min video with this simple accurate sentence.

[@godalmighty83]

If the Vanguard had long range, decent firing arcs, large for tier guns, DefAA and decent concealement then yes.

[@jarrusjenkins]

@@godalmighty83 yeah, I do feel like Vanguard should get Hoods pen angles and Monachs concealment.

[@armydelta781]

so how does it compare to OHIO ?

[@mechengrmike]

YES! Please share. I'm really struggling to decide which is better. From what I hear, Ohio got nerfed so bad it's no longer worth it

[@notaidan4451]

The Thunderer has slightly better accuracy (doesn’t matter really), much better maneuverability, HE, and concealment, some other things I am forgetting. The Ohio has secondaries, can tank much more, has spotter plane, and of course some things I’m forgetting. Both AA are good, so is their guns.

[@jarrusjenkins]

I would have thought they would compare well, It just depends what you want out of a battleship really

[@commanderindrickboreale1797]

Also, Ohio's AP shells deals more damage (15750) in comparison, thunderer AP does around 14900

[@marmalade6681]

for anyone as confused as i was.. i had to stop and re-listen. Thunderer has 457, Conq has 419.. NOT 490 like i thought he was saying. :) MY BAD

[@Ian710730]

I thought Yamato is the "Marksman's Dream".

[@raulalexandrubota]

This ship can reload way faster than my Bismarck with shells WAAAAY bigger than Bismarck's 380 and is very accurate. I'm not going to ask WG about balance anymore because it's supposed to be a arcade game.

[@thelvadam2884]

@@raulalexandrubota Bismarck has way better armour and secondarys, also it is 2 tiers lower for a reason. Thunder cant brawl as good as Bismarck, chill dude

[@raulalexandrubota]

@@thelvadam2884 what I meant is that Bismarck secondary build is not worth it at all with how inconsistent the secondarys are (how many shells you land on target) and that directly affect the alpha dmg and fire dmg. Look at GZ ability to land shells with the secondarys or the USN secondary viable BBs. I found way more success with a full stealth/tank build being able to survive for longer periods of time and also being able to hit more shells on target and not having to get in dangerous situations just to make use of secondarys because I've spent points on em. If at least we wouldn't have to face T10 when playing T8s... It's not balanced.

[@thelvadam2884]

@@raulalexandrubota Trust me, i can get ger bbs working no matter what build, and secondary spec is just the most fun I have over 2.5 k games in ger bbs 1.4 k Alone in Tirpitz

[@raulalexandrubota]

@@thelvadam2884 only if you want would you give me your in game name? I found most success in the German Battleships especially Bismarck with as I said tank/stealth build and the stranger thing is that I had better scores usually when facing T9-T10. If you can make em work no matter the build I'd be happy to learn from you how to best play em.

[@vxporr9999]

wait if yamato has the largest guns with 460mm then why do conqerer has 490mm?

[@belladesa91]

He says nineteen, not ninety

[@austenschiratti397]

So what exactly is the point of Yamato anymore?

[@supercustodiam2197]

Overmatch everything? Nothing will ever beat that.

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

@@supercustodiam2197 until wg adds a Soviet bb with 460mm guns

[@austenschiratti397]

@@supercustodiam2197 which it trades for worst in class shells, maneuverability, citadel protection, turret traverse, AA ... the list goes on. It isn't even the most accurate at range anymore, and 32mm overmatch isn't nearly as strong as it used to be thanks to the abundance of 50+mm bow plating added to the game in the past 2 years. It is powercreeped to shit.

[@supercustodiam2197]

@@austenschiratti397 True, I will agree on the powercreep yo some extent, but it's overmatch capability, 2.1 sigma accuracy (versus Thunderer 1.9), and it's legendary mod makes it a very capable sniper. Both ships have their strengths and weaknesses, as all other ships. I'd still say Yamato is still a strong pick.

[@edhikurniawan]

To be destroyed, like the promotional video.

[@efrag3610]

Is balanced, i like it!

[@ingmatuss4163]

I always ask which one should i buy Jean Bart or Thunderer and everybody says jeanbart.Is she really that good i mean it overmatches thunderer???

[@IIISentorIII]

what a retarded question, those ships are nothing at all NOTHING AT ALL alike...

[@notaidan4451]

Comes down to playstyle. Not going to explain to such a silly question, look it up yourself

[@teacoffee5847]

@@IIISentorIII and what was the point of replying to his question with no answer?

[@rohilkapur3571]

the real question is @flamu is the thunderer better than the Ohio?

[@arthur_pd]

no,im a cc and i can tell u that the ohio is way better then the thunderer, the ACC is even way better the legendary mod yamato

[@GoliatTube]

We need more bbs with 457 mm guns to force people to buy heavy cruisers because it citadel cruisers on any angle, nice plan wg for make easy money

[@jarrusjenkins]

We do need more 457mm BBs to deal with the invisible shit spammers...

[@mattapacka54]

Thunderer and vanguard are what the British bbs should have been, change my mind