War Thunder Dogfight 7 - F9F-8 vs Javelin

[@ThunderKills]

The game is called War Thunder for those who don't know.

[@luridftwgaming8983]

Never knew games like this were so in depth. I thought you just fly and shoot.

[@yomom6097]

@@luridftwgaming8983 dogfighting really requires skills

[@Patrick-zr8tv]

Is there anything you would recommend to improve my dogfighting? Such as strategies to learn and tricks to use. I know a little bit about what I should do and how to use energy but other than that I don't know how to, for example, force a two circle like you did in this video. I just think I'd have a much better time if I could put my own successes and failures into and understanding of what I've done.

[@co9681]

@@luridftwgaming8983 I can recommend DCS

[@aydinaj4]

@@carldsouza9436 however it's free unlike dcs world that requires alot more money and skill. You can pretty much beat the pay to win with skill. May be very frustrating but still possible and free

[@hungarianlad9734]

F9F-8 is so underrated, but that repair cost is nuts

[@memezilla7028]

*laughs in b-29 which is 35k STOCK*

[@A.i.r_K]

Welcome to war thunder

[@richardmoore609]

It's decent at it's tier but if you get uptiered it really starts to struggle. I really like it in ground rb though.

[@sussybird8628]

F9F-8 is my favourite plane

[@statemonster]

@@A.i.r_K Correction: Pain Thunder

[@soupe5535]

i really like this type of content as you also explain your thought process and give out tips. helps me learn more about dogfighting air rb too. keep it up dude

[@okaygames1162]

I am already at rank 5 and still catch myself thinking like this 😂🤚🏻

[@Axiom2.0]

I do to but alot of them are kinda messed up, using flaps while at full throttle is counter intuitive, because your flaps allow you to maneuver at a slower speed thust having a tighter turn, I've seen this a lot in these people use their throttle at WEP while in tight maneuvers like this and I just hurts my head

[@WarFoxThunder]

Same

[@tewniyt1506]

This helped me alot....#ED & future #SC Player come join!

[@Mythical_Chimera]

Lol I learned how to dogfight from a little game called “Blazing Angels” on the Nintendo Wii with my brother and my Grandfather. My PaPa used to work on planes and now manages the people who do at an AirField and he got the game so we could learn more about planes and it is one of my fondest memories playing with those two.

[@benjamincornier4268]

Dogfights where both sides make intelligent choices are awesome

[@GotNoKarma]

This is my fear of playing this game....going against those who never left!

[@jonathanrice6338]

That's how I feel about COD

[@KingENDLESS]

@@jonathanrice6338 I am that guy

[@jonathanrice6338]

@@KingENDLESS you never left?

[@Alotofnades]

Just try the game dude, I see in so many comment sections for warthunder videos that people are curious about it but discouraged. The game is complex but if you understand its basic mechanics you can go far with it. I’ve been playing for about 2 years now and i have my American aviation crews up to top tier, I have Germany up to 8.3 and I have Sweden up to about 5.3 I think. I got a free 90% off coupon on any premium vehicle a while back from my daily package and I used it on the German G91 fighter jet, so that definitely helped boost my German research significantly. Like 10 fold. Do some research about the games inner workings (like premium services and how research works). Then give it a try if it still sounds good. Also don’t worry about the veteran players at low tiers, most of them are probably going to be playing at higher battle ratings. You will inevitably find skilled people at all levels though. Earliest battle rating is the most noob friendly, that’s where you want to learn how to gg early on basically.

[@pokka3837]

@Transitive Wisdom no one asked

[@stoops417]

Small point, this is a One Circle fight. One vs Two does not depend on nose/tail orientation, but whether or not you are turning towards vs away from each other. In this fight, you are both in the same “circle”. If you turn away from each other at the merge, you create a Two Circle fight where the two circles repeatedly re-merge. There is a good explanation of this with diagrams on Wikipedia under “BFM”

[@user-fl7cu2bj5u]

Nice actually realistic dogfight rare in most war thunder games. I spent years studying energy retention and all the maneuvours under the sun but most people in war thunder just fly in on a circle fight that lasts more than 1 circle and spray you out of existence. Especially in lower tiers

[@crustaceanking3293]

haha mg goes pewpewpewpew

[@rifqihatta]

So this is doable ? How much G force would the pilot feel ? Sorry for asking

[@LoisoPondohva]

@@rifqihatta the speed is very low. WT gives you a G-force indication at around 3.6-4G, so the fact you don't see it here must mean it's lower. Which sounds about right for turns like this at

[@Spino.007]

The art of spitfires ami right?

[@0NK3LS4T4N]

He's right, i'm the one who sprays. Just because i have no idea what tf i'm doing. 😂 But i love to watch people like this, who actually know how to proper use an airplane. Maybe i'll learn some day, keep up the good content! 👍

[@mr-coffee2815]

It’s impressive they do this type of techniques, I just spawn and shot till a plane crash lol

[@gorlab9549]

This is realistic mode, not arcade lol.

[@IonPerseus]

@@gorlab9549 rb is not that much superior and advanced in compare of arcade, just closer to real stats, added some mechanics like flaps rip-off speed and engine management and etc., but the gameplay still "plane goes where my cursor is"

[@Nokke-q2k]

@@IonPerseus No the plane will go a bit sideways after a turn and the G force is more realistic.

[@IonPerseus]

@@Nokke-q2k still not that real difference, at least to feel rb more elite than ab, that was my message

[@odynith9356]

@@IonPerseus it’s a bit more involved. Limited fuel, no reloads mid air, g force blackouts, g force ripping, aircraft flight model acts different, flaps ripping, ordnance weight and engine overheating are the major ones. That’s quite a list to keep track of.

[@farohstein]

Whoa! Forget the game. I think I learnt so much about air to air combat just by the explanation

[@thomasperry9403]

If this guy hasn't been contacted by the air force to pilot a real craft I'd be disappointed.

[@cheekycream4148]

I think you will be disappointed

[@elkpants1280]

You’ll be disappointed. Even if he is the best simulation pilot to ever exist, there are tons of relatively minor physical reasons why he would be rejected. Being too tall, for one. ANY sort of heart condition, no matter how minor. The list goes on.

[@WDB69420]

@@elkpants1280 not just that lmao, warthunder is a unrealistic game where you just point your mouse and w a s d to move the plane, irl it's much harder plus the plane moves randomly (depending on plane) plus you have to memorize ALL the systems the planes has which will take A LOT of time plus u have to be hella smart

[@crow9149]

@@elkpants1280 How tall is he?

[@elkpants1280]

@@crow9149 no idea. I’m 6’ so automatically disqualified.

[@96blakstar]

I started playing this game about 3 weeks ago, last week I bought a hotas, difficulty increased sevenfold but it's loads more fun.

[@X360KBaller]

Prime example on how video games can train future soldiers

[@observer_zero6309]

No one: Dog fights : you spin me right round baby right round

[@deathnekoi]

Alright this caught my attention now we need full 30 min videos of something like it

[@Davide_Cracking]

If potential and cinetic energy were expleneid like this at school i would never fail a test

[@kylebieth3678]

Are you a real pilot by any chance? It's just such technical flying I have a hard time believing you're not. I love the play by play, your grasp of the physics of these planes blows my mind as a fellow geek

[@ThunderKills]

Nah, I've just watched a lot of Growling Sidewinder's videos

[@kylebieth3678]

@@ThunderKills well, when world goes to hell, u might have a calling

[@gorlab9549]

@@kylebieth3678 ah yes because when the world goes to shit everyone will have fighter jets from three to four decades ago

[@viruspter1dactl]

He's REALLY JOT YHEY GOOD

[@plat216]

@@gorlab9549 i think the cougar is more than 70 years old

[@CaptainCiph3r]

You explain the stuff I do instinctively, so easily and better than I ever could

[@nicoh848]

This made me want to get into War Thunder… awesome vid, loved the explanations.

[@johnsilva9317]

Acompanho o war thunder desde seu lançamento, e o gráfico está cada vez melhor

[@pierricus1399]

I learn a lot from your dogfight short, and I saw my performances at top tier going up a lot recently for some reason (mainly playing the F5E, and dogfighting when I can)

[@nefarioulyte9996]

No matter what game I go to, every dogfight turns into an airshow

[@kirkhope0205]

I never knew I needed these videos

[@zelepuza3518]

I know gta is nowhere close to this game but I’ve definitely learned from the video and even before this I was pretty damn good at dogfights I’m not the best but enough to make you run for your money… I hope to see more content like this on KZbin shorts and you have just earned yourself a new subscriber 🙂👍🏼

[@ufo1025]

“When i take random frag and explain friend how”

[@calvinclark6076]

I don’t even play War thunder , but this is excellent content to watch . I play other dog fighters such as battlefield or even battlefront 2 and I could definitely apply your train of thought to the way I play those games as well ,hell you might want to consider flying a bird in real life my man. Anyways,nice kills 💯

[@jefffranklin4894]

Tips for dogfighting in a Javelin: Don't dogfight in a Javelin, it's an interceptor ffs 😂

[@tonyjohnson1232]

That was one hell of vector roll

[@LuminocityyEdits]

Jets: i fear no man, but that thing.. its cares me Biplanes: HOWDY!

[@detested2022]

Gorgeous flying and wonderful shot. I need this game

[@gooney7986]

You had more thought process in this 1 fight then in my whole career playing wt

[@adonai4493]

I was honestly waiting for the missile out of nowhere to end the good dogfight

[@ericl.9913]

Is that how IRL Dogfights happened? Circling each other for 20 minutes?

[@aeiouwu155]

nah. the pilots would pass out from immense g force

[@TheAlmostHarmless]

@@aeiouwu155 Thats just not correct man. Pilots train in 4-5 G conditions regularly. Proper AGSM and application of BFM and ACM preclude KIOing yourself if you're competent and don't exhale on the onload.

[@drdownhill99]

@@TheAlmostHarmless yea but most dogfights now only last seconds. Fire a missile and be on your way

[@hagendnt8078]

at this point i be learning physics

[@Astrnauted]

Well this video just taught me how to be an Ace of the skies

[@UniDexx]

"by substracting where it was from where it isn't"

[@TheJacobbridges25]

Hella nice shot my guy well done

[@Joebamium]

Amazing video. Subscription worthy.

[@naforsaicosanta501]

Oh yes very satisfying dogfight

[@pomelo9840]

I like how this seems complicated untill someone tells you it's actually just a Loop with 3 seconds of F being pressed at the top

[@MerudonWoW]

Great video ❤

[@michaelherrera6264]

Its always funny because you just see them going in circles seeing who can get the first tighter turn to get the kill

[@TheOneWayDown]

And if you're in anything that accelerates well, or retains energy well, you just extend away and let them stall themselves out for that one shot

[@sequence-gaming4841]

As a fellow javelin player this makes me very sad

[@voidz_warthunder339]

Well played bro🔥🔥

[@olssong7941]

Beautiful dogfight

[@bubazell1]

I think i just an episode of death note in war thunder

[@tesseractcubed]

That transition from the vertical rate fight to the rolling scissors technically can be called changing to a one circle fight, as the rolling scissors can only happen when one party exits the two circle fight. Beautiful use of a higher energy state, and forcing a fight in your favor. Because of missiles, or their potential, neither party could extend away

[@MasoGhost777]

I don't think they ever entered a two circle though. It was always a tail chase. A two circle relies on forcing opposite directions to eventually merge. But, yes, scissors are a one circle.

[@Gurowho]

If I was the javelin i would dive and avoid the 10g missiles.

[@kipchickensout]

why does it feel like the plane would've stalled by now

[@HKSTurboBRZ]

You contradicted yourself, a rate fight is a nose to tail fight. However great energy management and nice video

[@invisiblecrumb2027]

Dogfighting looks so fun

[@martinidek339]

Nicely done mate

[@balkancommenterwithseveree7552]

i feel like we need a dedicated 1st gen to 3rd gen jet simulator

[@nexotori4811]

This is going to be complicated for me when I enter the high tier jets

[@Orangecat1842]

Doing verti with a javelin is the worst mistake that someone could do

[@Bife_11]

Bro, these kills are so nice, it would be cool if you show us a kill on simulator battles.

[@benedekbazso6325]

Can you do some of these explained fights with props?

[@into_the_void]

Nice kill

[@alp9173]

dude jet combat is rocket science for me

[@crimsonfloof6189]

This is really cool but how do you control your aircraft so smoothly from rolls and maneuvers

[@lonewolf-grs]

The new Red Baron

[@halucinator1]

I enjoy watching these. Do you have any tips for the a2d-1 sky shark?

[@CoffinKid1]

Instinctually, I'd try rolling. Props on keeping in there.

[@M1A2_Abrams_MBT]

Trying to learn here: What makes this a two circle fight vs a one circle fight?

[@ThunderKills]

The one circle fight is where both planes try to point the nose at each other to make one circle. Turn radius and angle of attack matter in this fight. The two circle is where both planes try to chase each other's tails resulting in two circles (possibly overlapping). This fight is about turn rate like degrees per second as both planes try to come around their circle fast enough to catch the other guy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_fighter_maneuvers#/media/File:Circle_flow_in_fighter_combat.JPG

[@M1A2_Abrams_MBT]

@@ThunderKills tyvm sir. Liked and subbed to your ch

[@ARCtrooper_bliz]

📝only deploy flaps when going down

[@LeReiman]

All these maneuvers seem very familiar with what I would also do, but even then I would have no idea what it's called. I just kinda improvised by doing some modified Immelman maneuvers.

[@QuintonRC23]

Always jealous of the shot line ups. Haven't had the accuracy I used to have. Takes time and dedication.

[@maliksaleem4242]

Never underestimated pilots cuz they are the best pilots ever 👍 👌 🙆‍♀️

[@prestonjohnson1343]

So cool to watch nice

[@lol70721]

Cool video

[@OneMoreDesu]

Aspect was a little high throughout, lucky you came into the fight with an advantage

[@calumknight9178]

Against one of the worst brit jets in the game.....not like you can miss that huge thing either

[@spooch3257]

*watches growling sidewinder once*

[@yourdrummer2034]

Damn Son, you out flew his A$$!

[@MiJi_29]

Br0h. How did you make 9x16 (Mobile / Vertical) HUD on war thunder like this video?

[@ThunderKills]

I created a custom resolution through the nvidia control panel and I launched the game in auto-resolution mode.

[@thejhonnie]

@@ThunderKills that's really smart

[@Warthunderspecialist1]

I love the F9F unlocked it today

[@Viper718]

Why does it take like you gotta go collage for god dame flight school in order to play this

[@rajatverma360]

Interesting game . Is it available in India / BHARAT with Local servers?

[@zaidhunts4170]

How do you understand the planes so good? Any tips? I would really appreciate it! 🌹👍

[@velantus7719]

Awesome kill

[@Jazon-kv7ym]

if i did that kind of dogfighting, a Mig would surely "R3"KO me out of nowhere with John Cena as the pilot 😂

[@freeflite7876]

What do you play with? A controller or keyboard and mouse?

[@drogerflav6350]

Fine your shorts has shown me that maybe the game is fun again i will re download warthunder

[@mynameisgiovanigiorgio4171]

Jet battles make me cry

[@LarySeeAircraft]

Suggestion: Put your Narrating text at the top of the video as the title of the video goes over it and it’s hard to read

[@j4m3s86]

Plz use more British aircraft

[@ethanoldenburg6645]

Why did I think this was an F9F versus a javelin missile?

[@STEVEJELLY]

would u recommend getting f9f-8 cougar?

[@ThunderKills]

Not really. Its alright, but the repair costs is too high.

[@STEVEJELLY]

@@ThunderKills alright thanks even tho it’s too late lol

[@STEVEJELLY]

@@ThunderKills congrats on that many views by the way. I started youtube about at the same time as you and i don’t get that many. Congrats again on that

[@-Achilles.]

Pretty sure the rolling scissor is a one circle just rolling over each other now I could be wrong but I'm almost positive

[@crableg2128]

This guy: haha funny maneuvers go go brr Me at rank IV: why my SL go down?2?2?2?2?

[@apapz3245]

Nose to tail is my favorite

[@chefbiggestdog]

I was never good at this game. Its pretty fun when it's a fair game

[@ChaohsiangChen]

John Boyd is proud of you.

[@UncleTequila]

Laughs in F22 raptor

[@dailydiogenes]

It’s one thing to be good at a combat scenario. But it’s a different thing to narrate and point out tactics in real time and literally educate the mass populace how to effectively dog fight

[@anthonyvargo7109]

perfect execution

[@ile2038]

Beautiful

[@woofle4328]

What graphics setting do you use?

[@dimitrisebua47]

Skill🔥

[@sadnagol5539]

You should watch Defyn. He's probably one of the better warthunder air players. I've watched him a lot and he's improved my gameplay.

[@willie2697]

When you applied your air brakes I thought that was weird bc you could have ended the fight there by speeding up, your nose was almost on him

[@belgianfried]

When he engages flaps, he manages to have better temporary manipulation of AoA, in exchange for energy retention and gain.

[@SU-57_PAK-FA]

cool plane. seems to be stealthy with a combat spaceship aesthetic or something