Thursday Captains sizing issues

[@pattgsm]

The Amazon boots are old stock. I have a pair of Captains from 4 -5 yrs ago. The tongue is stamped “Thursday | Everyday”. My thoughts back then were the heel stack was too high (at least for my taste) and put me in a forward leaning position which I felt immediately in my knees. Looks as if enough ppl had similar experience and Thursday’s listened. Secondly, the fit recommendations are off. Thursday recommends 1/2 size down from sneaker size. I’m a 10D in sneakers, so I ordered 9.5D I’m also 9.5D in Allen Edmonds on 65 last. There was a ton of slippage and excess room. I wear 8.5D in both Red Wing and Clark’s. So if you are a D width, order the same size as any RW Iron Ranger, Beckmann, Moc Toe or Clark’s Desert Boots. If you like the higher heel stack order from Amazon if you prefer what I would call a regular heel stack height similar to Allen Edmonds boot, order directly from Thursday Boot Co. Lastly the chance that any pair ordered is a prior return (someone else tried it on and sent it back) is much higher w/ Amazon than buying directly from the manufacturer. Both prices being the same that’s food for thought. Final thoughts…. I would love an update video w/ Thursday’s answer as far as changes to the last. Also, if there is no issue w/ fit but you want a taller or shorter heel stack, a cobbler can easily add or subtract layers of the leather heel stack.

[@vhockada]

Thanks so much for the insight, I still have both pairs and I love and wear them both. I haven’t noticed said he stack differences but I’ve gotten used to the differences. I do however wear the burnt gingers more but that’s because I prefer the softer feel to the leather on the suede than the rougher feel on the adobes.

[@watchmanexpert]

@@vhockadadid you keep the boot ? Is comfortable now ? I ordered one and the toe is touching the top of the boot

[@jackbraddell1124]

So sick of online boot ordering, since manufacturers are inconsistent with their sizing. Since many of us shop online these days they need uniformity in sizing or can lose sales.

[@RDJR007]

I believe they have a total of 3 molds to date. The latest being a bit wider and longer.

[@ÕnûthTHUR-URSTROMTAL]

I see that the issue is not only with Red Wing shoes & boots...! In this case is getting quite complex to acquire online if the lengths are screwed up in regarding to the size labelled on the product.

[@cmackie22]

I don't think these discrepancies are specific to Thursday boots. When I bought my Iron Rangers I had to try on three pairs at 11D. The first pair was mismatched, more like one 11D and one 11.5EE. The second pair was matched properly but more like a 12 in length. The third pair was perfect. Quality control just isn't what it used to be.

[@whywhyz]

Thursday sizing seems to be all over the place. I wear 9.5W in every brand of boots (10 tennis shoes).. Tried a 9.5W Thursday Captain Arizona Adobe, too big. Tried 9W, broke it in, and it was too big. Got an 8.5W, my foot slides front to back in a new un-broken in boot. Just returned it for an 8W to see how that works, if not, it's getting returned and I'll stick with my Truman boots. FWIW, I have not worn a size 8 in 30 years or more (Jr. high school) LOL.. I also wanted to add that My Brannock measurement is 9.5EE

[@willees6958]

i bought multiple boots and shoes from Thursday and i notice major size inconsistencies, even within the same models. I have a size 9, 9.5, 10 and a 10 W in the sneakers…. same feet though! :-) however if you return too many shoe they will flag your account! be aware.

[@awormasi]

Exact same thing happened to me. I reached out to Thursday to see if the old size is equivalent to the new size half down. I'm concerned that going down half a size on the new lasts will be too narrow. Will post back here what they say.

[@awormasi]

Customer support wasn't particularly helpful. I ended up trying various sizes and making my own video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH-mY5Vol5Jrmq8

[@hantswalker]

I've got two pairs, one with StormKing sole so difficult to compare external features. I got different sizes as my first pair felt a touch too big. The half size smaller pair are snug but not broken in yet. I think the main issues with boots are a good fit, quality of materials and construction and consistency between L and R of the same pair. If I were you I wouldn't worry but well done for spotting these issues.

[@inSpyr]

just bought the Captains half a size down from my sneaker size and my left boot fits noticeably looser than the right one!

[@hantswalker5215]

@@inSpyr I don't think any shoes unless truly bespoke will give a perfect fit. I've started wearing a new pair of Keen hiking boots this week and the sizing is noticeably different from the same size pair they replaced.

[@alexgoriatchenkov]

The Handmade made it all Originally Different...If they fit you well so it's good ! Time will show how good they are.

[@toddfleury7324]

Both nice looking boots. I have the Captain’s in Arizona Adobe but I wanted darker so I got the President’s in tobacco. Both boots in 10 from Amazon. They both fit slightly different but close enough for me. I also have the Cadet’s (10) in tobacco and they feel like comfy slippers. I know the online thing can have its pitfalls and I’d rather go to a traditional brick and mortar store but sadly we don’t really live in that world anymore. I still believe Thursday is good value for the money. There’s a kind of authenticity to small variations with handmade “small batch” but too much can be frustrating. Happy trails and may you wear the soles out of both pairs.

[@Watchtrain]

I just received a pair directly from Thursday and they sent me a size 9 womens instead of the size 9 Mens I ordered. They are in the process of working it out. The womens they sent are also the suede model with the naming info on the side of the shaft instead of on the tongue like on my Captains. They will straighten it out. I could have simply started the return but wanted to give them a chance to fix their process so this doesn't happen to the next guy that gets mailed these boots in the wrong box.

[@vhockada]

At least they’re working with you that’s good to hear. Thanks for watching

[@RealMuperSan]

Glad you’re happy with both. After watching a video on how handmade boots are crafted, I’m surprised any boots look the same. The process is insane.

[@TheMonkdad]

I have a pair of captains in black. I purchased them in 2016 and followed their advice to downsize by 1/2 size. I assumed they would stretch but they didn’t or very little. My next pair will be regular size.

[@redraven6691]

Thursday boots say to order 1/2 size smaller than what you wear in sneakers. Now, sneakers fit differently depending on brand, so what on earth does sneaker size mean? I am a normal size 11 when I get measured at a shoe store, but Thursday won't address whether I should order my normal size or 1/2 size smaller because they throw in the nonsense about sneaker size without defining what it means, with sneakers fitting differently depending on brand. After reading amazon reviews and watching videos, it seems like it is impossible to know what size to order. Thursday boots should tell you whether or not to order your normal size.....but they want it to be a mystery for some reason. Thank you Thursday boots, for wasting my time trying to find out what should be an easy answer.

[@vhockada]

If this helps, in adidas ultraboosts I wear a 10.5, I Nike Air Jordan 1 I wear 10. In Thursdays Captains I wear 9.5. I tried a pair of those new Loggers and in this I’m a size 9.

[@redraven6691]

@@vhockada Thanks Vance!

[@shaynelaw9629]

I have 7 pairs of Thursday Boots. I normally wear a size 10 shoe in everything, but 9.5 works for me in Thursdays. Anyway, with a free, no hassle return policy, there is no risk anyway. I hope you moved forward. I love all 7 pair and want 7 more!

[@chrissingletary2287]

My foot measures at an 11. I wear an 11 in a tennis shoe. I ordered a couple of pairs of Thursday Captain Stormkings. The 9.5 D fit me the best. Thursday's sizing is a little off.

[@nealfangmann6088]

That’s really interesting. I got my first pair . Matte black and I had to send them back . Went with the size chart recommendation. I should have went with my true size. Not the first time I have heard about this in the matte black. Btw the gingers look better but the fit counts.

[@vhockada]

I love the gingers. I also love that they’re suede because the suede makes the boots feel more comfortable than their regular leather boots. Softer. They are not waterproof however.

[@yohonomoe5095]

Handcrafted means expect human error. I’m glad machines aren’t making these boots. But I did appreciate your eye to notice it

[@SeeItHere]

Thanks for the video. I just received my first pair of boots, matte black Captain. Ordered directly from Thursday inside print says size 9.5 US Handmade in small batches. Both left & right have the same 10 digit # but the right boot fits extremely tighter than the left. I didn’t want to exchange them due to their exchange policy only allowing the first pair to be returned. I requested a refund and will reorder a bigger size and try those out.

[@vhockada]

Don’t let that deter you I love these boots.

[@mike-ks6zr]

Did you do a size up? I have the same issue with the right boot being uncomfortably tight and the left fitting fine. Makes me think I need the EE/EEE size. I do have a little bit of a wider foot but always worn D.

[@lavenderbex]

Same here!

[@mike-ks6zr]

I ended up going with the EE\EEE and they fit like a glove. Super comfortable boots!

[@razor2ts]

I have 5 pairs of Thursday boots, all same size US 12, some were older stock compared to newer stock, same differences as your boots, all still fabulous boots. Some are more comfortable than others.

[@anthonyreed1941]

What size sneakers do you typically wear? I usually wear 12 in sneakers, but 11.5 in Thursday boots felt too big.

[@chiefballs]

@@anthonyreed1941dude the inconsistency is insane i have captains in matte black, usually wear an 11 in vans and my 11.5 thursdays feel too tight

[@Coleone139]

They use a different last to make the rugged and classic lines. I had a 9.5 matte black and the cap stitches bit my toes on the side. I got the same size classic brown and this doesn’t occur. They also use a different thickness and type of leather. This can also contribute to sizing issues.

[@eundoparkmusic]

Pretty sure Thursday always updates their lasts... The first pair you got are probably an older pair with an older last and the newer ones are with updated lasts.

[@williamstephenson5825]

I have had similar boots issues with my Thursday boot purchases. I now own 4 pairs of captains one pair is the rugged leather. It took buying 8 pairs to get proper fitting and proper designed boots.Some were too small and some were too wide.My rugged pair is still a little tight in the toe but I think they will break in with time. One pair had a much more bulbus toe cap. Thanks to their return policy I now have 4 good pair. I also purchased some through Amazon and the fit success was better with Amazon. I think that the boots being handmade is the cause of the varying issues or it's Quality Control issues. The boots I have I think are good value and will probably buy there again as long as their return policy stays as good as it is now.

[@vhockada]

I still have both boots. Come to find out even though they’re different sizes they both still fit and I love them dearly. I rotate between wearing the two and my cowboy boots.

[@enceladus2263]

Did your rugged pair end up stretching out? I like the style of Thursday boots but I’m concerned about fit which seems to be completely random

[@hydroaegis6658]

Feet and fit are too complicated and varied to make general recommendations. Your best bet on first order is to do the following 1. What size are you sneakers? Are they snug on the sides and top of your foot? Where does your toe touch? 2. If your sneakers are loose all around, buy .5 size down and 1 size down. Keep what fits best. 3. If your sneakers are snug, buy your sneaker size and .5 size down. Keep what fits best. You could also buy 3 sizes around your sneaker size if you really absolutely want to nail the fit.

[@artmart86]

Yes, that's still the case even today!!

[@jasonfournier]

Classics and Resilients use different lasts. The Amazon classics are probably pretty old versions. A number of revisions have been made since then and also they switched lasts for Resilients, so there will be differences.

[@CHOPSBOWLS1]

I think it comes down to the boots being made by different people who always put their own spin on things

[@Rhaspun]

Yes. It's the definition of hand made.

[@SecondsInTimeMusic]

I can confirm that the writing style on the tongue of the new boots is the same as the 3 pairs I got directly from Thursday (all 3 sent back). After 3 tries ordering their captains, it's become very obvious that the company is having serious quality control issues with their new batches of boots. First pair felt much bigger than the size listed, the thread was fraying badly, and she speed hooks were razor sharp cutting/digging into the tongue. 2nd pair felt like 2 different size shoes when I put them on. 3rd pair was scuffed all over, the soles were terribly shaped, you could visibly see the soles were two different shapes. I would avoid Thursday boots unless you can get your hands on an older pair.

[@hkguitar1984]

Good to know, thanks for sharing your experience. I was considering ordering a pair directly from the company and instead think I'll hold off till they straighten out their issues. What I like about the Thursday's Boots is that they are more fashion and less a true work boot, perfect for wearing to the Office every day.

[@aaronchampagne8631]

In vans I wear 10.5, but usually I wear 9.5. I went to the tecovas store and I fit a 9E. So I ordered a 9E Thursday. My foot was not bending where the boots do so I just sent them back to get a 8.5E. Hopefully they fit cause they look great! I really don't want to have to exchange them again 🤞

[@joinz4000]

Brother same issue, that’s awesome you had the time to do the video giving Thursday the feed back. These sizing issues kind of sucks. Thanks for doing this.

[@vhockada]

Thanks for watching man means a lot

[@cmo_3142]

My matte black rugged and resilient are super tight and uncomfortable. Sending mine back tomorrow.

[@vhockada]

Oh no! I love mine I’ve gotten used to the size differences as they both fit just differently. I wear both all the time. Love Thursdays prices and boots. Will buy more for sure.

[@cmo_3142]

@@vhockada Im definitely getting the Duke Honey Suede Chelsea boots from Thursday...these just don't fit me. I should have gotten a size up.

[@Damienp3902]

I’ve never had issues with sizing and I got my regular shoe size but that could be because I got both from the actual Thursday Boot website.

[@colinsnexus]

Did you ever hear back from Thursday about the branding location differences on the side vs the tongue? Old stock or just different production facilities?

[@vhockada]

No

[@hkguitar1984]

I think one of those pairs are made in the USA while the other was made in Mexico.

[@playingcalm5116]

I went on the website and saw that the heel stack is different even on the company pictures. This seems to be an intentional thing. Weird to have the same boot not be the same boot but yk

[@alexlab9472]

Hi Vance! i'm about to buy import a pair of boots from Peru, if my foot measures 26.5 cm, what size should i order?

[@vhockada]

I have no idea I’m sorry. I’m not a boot expert I just wanted to give my opinion on my Thursday boots.

[@wesleyfelts222]

Thursday boots makes a whole lotta different kind of boots looks to me like they’re two different they have the classic Booth the storm king etc. etc. they look almost the same but they say the sizing is different and you’re supposed to click on Find My size and answer the questionnaire for each different boot

[@MrFdxdoeboy]

I'm wondering if their president line of boots would fit you better

[@vhockada]

I want to get a pair for sure

[@R_E_I_N_N]

Oh shoot! I wasooming to ordering a pair. After watching this I'm a little concerned as I'm all the way in Malaysia and shipping them here will cost a bit and returns will cost a lot. I'm still unsure if their sizing is US or UK sizing. I would assume US sizing?

[@reezalguy]

Hi bro. I'm also Malaysian. Have you bought these boots ? Trying to figure out which sizing should I follow best since my Adidas and Nike are different sizes 😅

[@R_E_I_N_N]

@@reezalguy no I haven't because I've read so much about the sizing issues. Sana senang koz u can just exchange. They're very helpful though and they even sent me a link to their factory seconds site. What size are u generally? For me my problem is my wide feet so my shoe sizes fluctuate.

[@eightosaurusspelunk1598]

@@R_E_I_N_N They are US sizing.

[@dukeyin1111]

Thursday Captain changed their last ("mold") of the Captain boot at least 2 times already. You are just comparing old vs new version.

[@robertsparks7244]

Exactly why I haven't bought any

[@davidcoleman2796]

The boots changed over the years .

[@heathspears8881]

Because they changed the boot last to a more rounded last and not the narrow one anymore!

[@helloken]

I didn't go through your nearly 100 comments (so far) to see if this was already stated, but I can say that the rugged and resilient captains have a leather midsole whereas the 'classic' series have a EVA comfort strip in place of the leather midsole which I believe is a dense higher quality foam. The originals also usually do not have the steel shank and just seem to overall be built to prioritize comfort and flexibility. That's just my impressions and information I've gathered here and there, can't guarantee information accuracy. But it's pretty much a fact that many if not all of their R&R captains are built with differences to their "classic" series and it's not just the type of leather.

[@vhockada]

Thanks I’ll keep that in mind. You learn something new everyday.

[@THENEWWRANGLER]

You prob got one from the mexico plant and one from the usa plant i know their are a few differences on quality between the Mexican ones and the american ones

[@eLurkr]

the last changed

[@dadaUnts]

I think you meant shoe lasts when you said shoe mold, but anyway the 2 different shoe lasts is an intriguing theory, makes me pause from getting the Saints.

[@jasono312]

I have a pair of Captains in 9 wide which are slightly too long for me. Not unwearable, but just slightly too long. So I ordered a pair of Presidents in 8.5 wide and surprise surprise, they are bigger and longer than the 9 wide Captains when they're supposed to be made on the same last. Not talking about the outsole, the upper is much bigger. I had to return them and am going to try a pair of Captains in 8.5 wide now.

[@vhockada]

Keep the persistence they are worth it in my opinion I love them.

[@jasono312]

@@vhockada For a $200 boot, absolutely. Luckily the returns process is very easy so while the trial and error might be a tad annoying, I don't mind waiting until I get something that works for me.

[@flfbsphatboyblue8970]

Do you know what a Goodyear welt is?

[@sabirabdul-lateef5352]

Can you wear them in the snow?

[@vhockada]

No idea. It never snows here. I would say not. Once I was wearing my rough out pair at the beach and they barely touched the water and insides were soaked.

[@THENEWWRANGLER]

Amazon ones are always the mexican lesser quality ones , you can see their written made in mexico on the one boot

[@vhockada]

All of the Captains are made in Mexico. Very nice boots actually.

[@SoulWatcher72]

I just got my first pair Thursday boots at the beginning of the month. February 2022. They told me they tell everyone to buy a half size smaller. I got my burnt gingers and not only were they too small but they were too narrow. I have never once had to order a wide boot in my life. So I do not know if I should order a wide and a whole size up or what to think now. Reading comments leads me to believe they are having quality control issues and I might order one size and I might get something that’s like a size 12 instead of an 8 1/2. Also looking back online I see that the burnt gingers do not come in wide. Is any other person ordered these boots a half size small like they suggested and it is just too small for you? Am I the only one? I also found out that between half sizes is only 4 mm. Also in between regular standard size and wide is 12 mm. Hope that helps you out fellas. Cheers. Edit: Also I ordered mine directly from Thursday boot company on their website. On the tongue it says size 7. Five under that it says Thursday every day. On the side of the boot it has the batch number below that says made in small batches. And again I just ordered these and got them on 3 March. This doesn’t match either one of your boots in this video. So where are mine from? Anyway now? I’m really beginning to wonder if they have any control over anything that is being made where it’s being made. Because in the video one is from Amazon one is from Thursday boots directly. And my only pair is from Thursday boot website directly and none of them have the same printing at all. The only thing that is the same about them is that they are printed at all.

[@ShacklefordR]

I actually ended up with going full size down on my captains and size and 1/2 down for my chealsea boots. It's bit annoying for sure, but love the overall quality

[@SoulWatcher72]

@@ShacklefordR yeah I understand that. It took me 3 tries to get it right. I wound up ordering Captains in Brown. And went with my regular size 8 but went with the wide. They are very comfortable. I think I could have just went with 8 regular as well with these. It’s good to know that, for me, I will just go with my regular size in the future. But again, if this is a quality control thing, it may have nothing to do with what size you are but rather if you get the pair that fits you right. I’m the end, I love my Captains.

[@franzb69]

they're made in different factories that's what i can tell

[@ABNHW]

If they use the same size last (mold), it does not matter what factory made them. I was about to buy the tobacco presidents until i read this.

[@decoraven825]

You Should’ve never gotten from Amazon knowing they cost the same in they’re website, they might be fake

[@iBlinkTVChannel]

Sold and Shipped by Thursday boot company on Amazon. Also, I’ve had inconsistencies when buying multiple pairs directly from Thursday’s site.

[@cmo_3142]

They are not fake. They are a third party seller. The shoes come directly from Thursday Boot Company. I just bought a pair from amazon. Came in Thursday shipping package AND Thursday shoe box.

[@markmullen1852]

Save up some money. If you're able, go to a Redwing store and try on some Iron Rangers.

[@gwarlow]

Have you contacted Thursday Boots concerning this discrepency? Cheers.

[@vhockada]

No I tried to live with it and come to find out although they fit differently they both feel good to wear

[@gwarlow]

Glad it worked out for you. Enjoy the boots. All of them. ;-)

[@jaystrongbow9435]

Expect changes with Thursday. They are a newer company and change things on the fly. If the ginger is too large, just return it.

[@vhockada]

Just the opposite, I love them both and although they fit different they still fit and I actually prefer the softer suede leather on the gingers. Thanks for watching. I really should do a follow up shouldn’t i

[@jeremiahbachmann3901]

Don't try them on to see if they fit...they will not exchange them after that.

[@darylhopkins9796]

The real ones came from Thursday. The fake ones came from Amazon.

[@kartikchary]

I wonder why I got this recommendation, I hate those boots. I'm a Nick's/White's/Truman boots guy and I really think Redwing heritage boots are many notches above these crappy ,over marketed boots. I wouldn't accept one as a gift 😂😂😂 lmfao.

[@vhockada]

I’m surprised anyone gets my content recommended! I do appreciate you commenting though. I hope it was entertaining if you watched! 😁

[@kartikchary]

@@vhockada You're content is great man, don't get me wrong. It's just that I'm totally not the kind of chap who'd but a pair of Thursday boots. You should get a pair of Nick's and review them. Thanks and cheers

[@mockcinoe279]

Good for you ,sorry for writing I am French,Thursday for price is very good price ,whit nicks,red wing 400$ Thursday 200$