Tiddler Celestial vs. Firebat - Grand Finals - Hearthstone World Championship 2014

[@JackDuripper]

Chillwind Yeti never forgeti :(

[@benhambley7820]

+Jack Duripper Wish shredder wasn't so good :(

[@benhambley7820]

***** I used to run it after gvg cause i thought shredder only gave nuerbian eggs an ancient watchers :( nah my luck was just that bad

[@akitothe3rd792]

@@benhambley7820 not even shredder sees play now lol

[@888ian2]

@@akitothe3rd792 what even does nowadays?

[@marekbryja6293]

yeah

[@brandonholcomb2919]

OG handlock was so crazy. Literally every card in that deck had such insane value and could be used in multiple scenarios. One of the GOAT decks for sure

[@dannowanno5323]

Who else misses when hearthstone was this simple and strategy based?

[@Rspsand07]

It's back

[@ayowhat]

@@Rspsand07 Sadly there isn't so many who plays it. I've currently been grinding classic ladder this week, have played from silver through plat and all the way was only bots

[@bobson_dugnutt]

@@Rspsand07 aaaand its gone

[@dannydmunru9448]

What blizzard needs to do is same thing as CD Project did with Gwent. Reset and rework every card and give to players exact amount of dust for those cards that are lost/deleted. The only way to save dying game that once was a masterpiece.

[@guisasse]

Holy Firebat has changed so much! Not in a bad way, just seem so much more confident and such...

[@belckan549]

Its pretty cringy, but now he's awesome honestly.

[@CaroleBiscuits]

i love how he totally ignored that last guy who wanted a high five lol

[@Bjswac]

Look at Firebat all cringy and awkward. We've come such a long way...

[@StigmaShadow]

Wait, what's changed?

[@thebrotherhoodshallprevail7874]

Here to commemorate Firebat. You've been such an awesome Hearthstone player!

[@jpkirk3604]

how can you say he has no skill when he has consistently won 3-0 and 3-1 in almost every game

[@AreYouShore464]

John Dough I guess unfortunately that comes with the territory of this still being a card game. Even the top players can be marginally screwed purely by luck of draw.

[@AreYouShore464]

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you. A hefty play session today experimenting with the hunter (still fairly new) taught me the importance of card draw. Substituting in some battlecries/deathrattles for draw has led me to making a stable-ish deck for a relatively new player lacking lots of key cards.

[@taliesine.8343]

John Dough but trough skill and knowledge of his deck he has a higher chance to get the right cards

[@Zhevzh]

+Nirvana з No некуда

[@Bob-mo4no]

Alex Barcus but he built the deck so when he gets a lucky "lucky draw" thats a reflection of his deck building skill

[@komoyodo]

I played soccer with James! He was a super good forward lol

[@thiccbae169]

You have to admit Firebat got god tier draws in all those games. He played extremely well, and I think he deserves the win, but he drew so well it was almost hard to watch.

[@ZomgZomg007]

who else kept checking their modem/internet -_-....

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

Got me.

[@patrikbrtan383]

game #1 ... 9:10 game #2 ... 20:00 game #3 ... 31:10

[@MutorcsHtaed]

My thanks to you

[@Anna-tl6oz]

Thankhyeewww

[@alcibc3037]

Saved soooooo much time

[@mathewgriffiths1870]

Not sure why the algorithm picked this now, but fun to watch again after all this time. Hope life’s going well for Firebat.

[@StefandeJong1]

Holy crap, swiping the semi AND grand final 3-0 is pretty amazing. RNG was really on his side in most games, but still deserved to win the title. Congratz, FireBat!

[@andoriz0r]

seems like RNG if you know how statistics work :D this guy deserves the win more than any other

[@StefandeJong1]

andoriz0r yeah playing around RNG is do-able nowadays, but after the expansion i don't think so

[@andoriz0r]

Stefan de Jong yeah maybe with all those madder-bomber style cards. will at least produce epic moments on some streams :D

[@Hyde_Hill]

He didn't swipe the semi 3-0. Dtwo gave him a run for his money. He did deserve the win though.

[@Joziaac]

Kaor was robbed in the quarterfinals, I don't know about deserving.

[@elunari]

30:40 damnit Brode you cheeky man

[@TheGamerNinjazX]

+Slinkynn Brode? Brode wasn't there! I think you mean Frodan

[@cartman444444]

+Hugh Bennett no dude, look at him raising his hands and smiling like he always does. :P

[@shining7733]

Haha yeah he is awesome xD

[@ScreamingLanger]

30:43 Wild Ben Brode appears? hahahahaha

[@vinserdrodrigues695]

U FACE JARAXXUS EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION

[@FireArmPlays]

INFERNO!

[@atreyufan012]

FireArmPlays MISTAKE!

[@FireArmPlays]

OBLIVION!

[@tylerbearchild7900]

greetings.

[@FireArmPlays]

YOU FACE JARAXXUS, EREDAR LORD OF THE TRIFILING GNOME!

[@rnatkashkinbaev1325]

3 mysteries of all time: 1: Is hearthstone really random? 2: Yogg-saron 3: KZbin recommendations

[@aloysiusng5483]

Whenever I want to watch a inspirational video or something like that I always watch this for some reason

[@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet]

33:07 that attack, like many others, was such a hard decision that it took whole 5 seconds. I guess Firebat is one of those people of ladder who not only BM you but also would target your minions for half an hour in all the most obvious situations just to make you extra mad.

[@MrJulkuul]

Which doesn't explain why he didn't overkill at the end.

[@roblaquiere8220]

If money is on the line you would take your time deciding too!

[@TheOriginalDogLP]

Yes, maybe it is bm, but i'll see it more as teasing and mind game. I mean its the world cup finales, i would use every chance if it fits the rules.

[@AlexeyFilippenkoPlummet]

ODog LP sort of dirty play, yeah. That would definetely made me uncomfortable, I hate when people do this. When they aim at your minion for half a minute before the attack, it feels like they are pointing a finger right at your face, half an inch off your nose, and just stand like this mocking you. Imagine a real card game where someone takes a card, points it to your face and just sits like this for 10 seconds. Then he plays this card, takes another and repeats. And the whole game he acts like this. I think he wouldn't get away with it. But not in HS.

[@MysticalRooster]

He won for a reason you know...

[@657A]

I'm here for classic mode prep :-)

[@prapro3131]

How is it going?

[@MrCoolgae]

I see a lot of people complaining about the RNG element in this game. While luck is present, I think its effect is entirely phased out by a few things: 1) The fact that the game was played best of five. This falls into the same vain as the law of large numbers. 2) The fact that each player includes cards that allow them to "counteract" the RNG. 3) Several other things, but I'm to tired to think right now... Goodnight Y'all.

[@stephenk-b3100]

5 isn't a large number.

[@MrCoolgae]

Stephen K-B No, but it's large enough that it counteracts the RNG, and even then it's the same for both players, meaning no comparative advantages. I play Hearthstone (granted I'm not very good) and I don't see RNG effecting the game much.

[@stephenk-b3100]

it's still kinda small like that law applies for numbers many multiples larger than 5 before it starts evening out. Although I saw some pretty good plays that card draw was really disgusting. but that's just all I noticed really : s

[@MrCoolgae]

Stephen K-B Even then, RNG didn't put that card in his deck, and even after that, if he didn't win that match, he would have won the next. He totally out classed his opponent. Building your deck in a fashion to counteract the RNG is a huge part of the game.

[@stephenk-b3100]

true

[@xxlepic7127]

I remember watching him when he first hit rank 1 legend and only had 100 viewers on twitch. Never had recognition till now. I'm glad he made it.

[@SamirDubois]

Man i love his winning speach

[@octavioferroni]

yeah he´s telling the truth

[@jesperkarlsson597]

People saying its pure luck have 100% never been legend or in a tournament. ...Ok maybe lost in a tournament

[@kbdemonbain]

congrats Firebat, on being the first blizzcon world champion of hearthstone such a great tournament at blizzcon. i miss it already :D

[@divelostmind]

dat firebat speech

[@johannesschubert7739]

eeehm, tshhha

[@beverly8795]

So happy for Firebat, he has a bright future ahead of him. :D

[@Scarr3dXFalconPvP]

For the people saying it's all luck or 50 percent luck think about it like this, another card game played at a world stage level is poker, there is also rng I guess you could say but that doesn't explain why the same top players make it to the world championships every year this game obviously is a lot more skill based than luck based.

[@markosoca]

46:47 ..."its possible, that you can do it with like...whatevers going on...and stuff and really... just even if you dont get invited" xD

[@MercuryChild]

These are the finalists? And I thought I was awkward...

[@AnAfinityForKarma]

It's a little silly for an official youtube account to have a video that pauses every 2 minutes.. Any chance of a better version being uploaded?

[@Anna-tl6oz]

Back when Yeti was still viable in the meta. RIP

[@kingsleum]

Back in classic

[@Kirkeuglen]

If you removed all RNG from the game, the game would be a whole lot easier to become good at. One of the reasons the game actually has a pretty high skill-cap is in fact due to the RNG involved. Reasons for that is: 1. The RNG makes it hard for players to know when they played very well or when they were just lucky. This is the same reasons why bad poker players keep playing poker - they don't know they're bad, because sometimes they win big, because there is so much luck/variance involved, thus making them believe they are actually good. 2. All the RNG involved in the game makes the game overall more complex to understand properly. Chess is a game with a very high skill cap, but with no RNG involved at all. However, the skill-cap is not THAT hard to reach. Top players in the world have arguably solved the game (knowing all the right moves for many moves forward). At least computers have done that for sure. On the other hand; look at poker. In poker there is a whole lot of luck/RNG involved, however the skillcap is absurdly high. The game is so complex that it currently isn't even close to being solved by humans nor computers. The luck involved in Hearthstone of course means that over a short number of games, luck is very dominant factor. Over a large number of games, like when you play 100's of games of ladder to climb in rank, skill is dominant factor, as luck will be evened out.

[@deathislife1993]

I think this is a very-well written response to the complaints about RNG. Personally, I can't believe some people think this game is all luck. Partly, yes, but to think it's all luck is just insane.

[@Andrew-xc9ov]

RNG is a fun aspect of the game, and is the reason why a lot of people play it. If they completely removed it to be honest I think there would be much less players

[@paptimusscirocco8033]

the RNG makes you think about your next step more carefully and consider all possibilities, was tindler expecting 2 silences in a row? No, the chances for that were too small, so he gambled on that chance, in most cases it would have been fine, but firebat was blessed with his draws in that last match.

[@Blank_984]

That was pretty smart, i never thought about it ... but youre right ^^

[@starrecipe9]

Chess has not been solved. The best players in the world, programs ran on computers, still lose games when matched against equally skilled opponents. I agree with your point though. Probabilistic games with incomplete information (neither player knows everything about the state of the game) tend to be incredibly complex. The problem is that you have to account for your opponent's behavior when calculating odds, all the while they are accounting for your behavior. It becomes immensely complex very quickly. In chess there is a psychological factor, but in a philosophical sense you're just judging the position on the board.

[@MikeDindu]

The power level of these cards have increased so much. At that time, yeti and spectral knight were good, sometimes very good cards in constructed. Now there are so many 4 and 5 drops that are so much better it goes without saying. I'm not complaining, just being Captain Obvious here.

[@Enigmaprince]

is there other better uploads without all the freezes?

[@jaywasd]

Firebat's play at 40:00 is why he is a pro. That play was SO smart, so clean, it was beautiful.

[@CrafterMCGames]

It was amazing.

[@-ali2565]

+Jay Bertetto Wasn't that big a deal

[@jaywasd]

assassinforu what do i type here Is a hundred thousand dollars a big deal? Because that play helped him get one hundred thousand dollars.

[@CrafterMCGames]

Jay Bertetto I don't think he has an answer to that

[@-ali2565]

I understand different people like different things, but I just don't see the depth in HS, to me its a RNG fest with morsel amounts of skill required,Blizzard had the money and resources to make it soo much more but they didn't care, at least thats whats it to me if you like the game cheers :D

[@papij3680]

Only real ones are here in 2024

[@Zuranno]

Stop changing the screen every turn! That's confusing!

[@twistedfate7282]

Keegan Meerholz You were saying? Lol

[@MorpHStream]

43:49 poor guy, forever alone :D

[@Jakseek]

ahuahauahuuahuhauhauuh

[@gian_bm_]

jajajajajajajaja

[@baldanders]

playing these decks in the new brawl is fun

[@ottoelg2748]

Cool Hand Luke yeah i know

[@crisnova165]

I'm happy for the young fella, congrats to him (:

[@IRolledARogue]

That awkward moment when the commentators have to try their hardest to make this game feel intense and exciting... LOL

[@tbsbloodheist8986]

why the hell would you not play your handlock deck ASAP against a combo druid? please tell me tiddler? because of bgh? duh??? firebat deserved to win here.

[@cilleborg999]

Because it was his last deck - he had to play it.

[@cilleborg999]

Yes - but since he went 3-0 he was forced to play handlock (his last deck) into druid. He could not choose not to.

[@tobiashauser3158]

because if he would have played handlock instantly firebat could have chosen hunter and have a 80/20 matchup after that. He wanted to eliminate hunter with priest before playing handlock

[@fungkei99]

Tobias Hauser In this format the winner of the previous game cannot change the deck until he loses with that deck. So T can play handlock against druid after the first game

[@tobiashauser3158]

he would have probably won vs druid with handlock and then firebat could have picked hunter. that was what i wanted to say

[@deinernst1233]

Why they changed the blizzcon format from single hero elimination to conquest?

[@ngaiki4141]

PLEASE! Can anyone tell me about the name of the headset!! What Brand is it? 13:01

[@BaDman8740]

30:44 a wild ben brode appears

[@dbpsychodelic]

I loved this last comment hahah, I thought it was going to be a boring interview. GJ FB!

[@SagaraUrz]

Why do they ban decks? what are the restrictions?

[@JulesFaraday22]

And thus firebat became the first HS world champion ever.

[@Drherbal2011]

Why is it that the game play music and sounds are so loud?

[@SVisionary]

Just watched this for the first time. Sure he had some amazing draws but he also had some spot on shot calls that paid off big time down the road as well. He deserved the win. Good for him!

[@fdgsa]

30:45 is that ben brode??

[@kallis2557]

30:44, you can see Ben Brode in the crowd XD

[@oopopp]

How many Legend cards are you allowed in your deck??

[@crisslambert6593]

As many as you want

[@gavinleaves]

30

[@oopopp]

Well Tiddler should have used tons more cause he got DESTROYED here. Wasn't even fun to watch.

[@gavinleaves]

oopopp x more legendaries can't change your opponents' good luck

[@JazzJackrabbit]

Congratulations, Firebat! It was a victory well deserved.

[@Gbb93]

Lol. Yeah drawing keeper of the grove was totally skill

[@WillYum97]

Where's Strifecro? When did he lose his matches? I've only seen two of his matches and he won both of them

[@fabmilieu]

he lost 3-2 at the quarter finals against DTwo

[@ayewantme]

name of their headset please. thank you!

[@kumaar1000s]

Absolutely amazing victory! Breathtaking! GG !

[@danielminor5595]

The face on the Chinese player when Firebat top deck's the perfect answer on him over and over is priceless!

[@Stubbsi1181]

Tiddler the Fiddler? Gollum - previously known as Tiddler Celestial? Tiddler AKA Sloth from the Goonies? Any more??

[@Madoc_EU]

Lee the Pee?

[@jacksonr.895]

2018 and I still love this match :D

[@Louvidion]

BETTER NERF IRELIA

[@danielfroeming321]

Omg to stgrong...

[@nicolasmartinez9842]

/watch?v=UcyXLNVQjTA

[@zacharywatkins5989]

Tiddler Celestial vs. Firebat - Grand Finals - Hearthstone World Championship 2014 That luck is insane.

[@TheRauden]

name of the song at 13:00 ?

[@MrPumas100]

any one know which mic where tiddler and firebat where using?

[@Jan20597]

What headphones are that? ;/

[@dharkomens]

+Jan20597 super sound proof headphones so they dont hear the commentators. they are used in airplanes and such

[@mr_champion8599]

+Mario Elizondo I thought that the glass was soundproof. I just thought that they were really high quality headphones, but what you said makes sense.

[@dharkomens]

both actually, I assume the room is sound proof too. But u can tell when the crowd goes loud the players sometimes look at them because they are loud

[@mr_champion8599]

Oh, good point.

[@spartanbegginner909]

that third commentator is pointless

[@Usagi1992]

1:03 - "Thank you for your support, and would you like some pork fried rice with that?" LOL Seriously, his voice couldn't be more stereotypical if he tried. I'm sure he's a nice guy, and a great Hearthstone player, but...damn. :P

[@Madoc_EU]

Nothing better than mentioning an overused stereotype in a totally stereotypical way. Thanks for adding real value to the comments thread. Except, well... NOT.

[@morgangrace7379]

What are they clapping with? Giant Q-Tips?

[@kemal_punkt]

why is this firebat guy using that luck for games like these? Go to the stock exchange and just be the fucking richest man on earth!

[@ThiVasss]

he knows his way around mind games so poker is also a good choice :P

[@MrHogzor]

or he can actually do what he enjoys and be happy.

[@SpaceboundMnM]

ThiVas Poker is a completely different thing to hearthstone hahahahah.

[@pockit5107]

Or he can keep playing this game and win 100,000$ like he did at this tournament..

[@enocherone]

Whats with everyones fascination with money? "Become the richest man on earth" lol who in the right mind would want that? If everyone in the world had that goal and actually achieved it we would need like 100 planet earths to support the resources for that greed. Realize the impermanence of material bullshit compared to whats eternal, & because the things money cant buy are worth way more than the things that money can. Or just be a zombie your whole lives just saying

[@razorlemona207]

why are they wearing david clark headsets for aviation?

[@Madoc_EU]

'Cause they're flying high, yo.

[@duxwontobey4887]

Watching this in 2018 is crazy, the meta was so different back then lmao.

[@markosoca]

haha 43:49 that dude was like "i didnt even mean to high five you" xD

[@NpPyro]

So happy that he won this tourney. Humble guy and well deserving of the championship.

[@fronominal7730]

43:35 Are you freakin serious?!

[@sandman9670]

Who is the host

[@underdogmage5607]

when are you gonna compete again firebat. i'm stil0 waiting for the comeback.

[@Silvers_7]

can someone tell me why hunter and warlock were banned to each other?

[@hadephobiac]

Wow blizzard are so good at marketing they even made a Goblin vs Gnome Grand Final to promote the new expansion!

[@zua1283]

Firebat always looks like hes scared of something thats really far away

[@maxime_weill]

Death

[@Parazitu97]

This is solitaire multiplayer ? :D

[@Diothir]

at least this was not decided by the RNG of GvG cards like Piloted Shredder, Dr. 7, Unstable Portal etc., way too much RNG nowadays.

[@dead3043]

wow hearthstone has changed so much

[@xxskillxxme]

That reaction when he pulled black knight, firebat is a legend lmao.

[@cyrussou2806]

have anyone mentioned the weird pose firebat standing?

[@daliretoncho]

Am I the only one who thought this whole tournament was completely underwhelming?

[@daliretoncho]

Except the prize money. OMG 100k, that's amazing!

[@asdfglkjhgr]

daliretoncho dota 2 two months ago had a tour with 10.000.000$ prize pool

[@SVanTha]

yes, you're the only one. there were some great games. the final was underwhelming only because kolento didn't play loatheb. it woulda been tons better if kolento had made it to the finals.

[@Perpluid]

I think they should have made the final match best 3 out of 5. They could add some more variety by giving the players choices, like they could bring 3 classes and choose 2 decks they can use twice, bring 4 classes and use one deck twice, or bring 5 different classes and get no repeats. Either way the more matches in a series the more likely it is that the better player will win and leave less to luck and RNG imo.

[@Rowosehip]

Video Starts in 9:00 dont thank me :D

[@Rowosehip]

-,- ı said Dont !!!!!!!!!!!

[@GamingMeatBag]

Aziz Saraç You dont make the rules around here. Thanks again.

[@Rowosehip]

Ok ı was said tihs for joke :D

[@GamingMeatBag]

Aziz Saraç your english is a joke. (sorry i couldnt resist)

[@Rowosehip]

:P

[@Gold_Tail]

so how do the banned classes work?

[@hrwhahaha]

I don't know Firebat a lot. I know he is nice guy and an awesome player. I just don't like his aggro play style but after today he is a force to being recking with

[@2LettersSho]

The thing is that his "aggro playstyle" was highly convenient at this tournament as there was so much handlock and other control being played. A lot of players only packed one or two decks to beat aggro so he just brought more aggro than they could easily beat. He did his homework, read the meta really well and got the money.

[@hrwhahaha]

Jono Hartland That's is true. It is just that I don't 'like' aggro. But it is a good read and good meta call. That's always why paladin and frost mage is the meta this time.

[@Gucci05xx]

I literally just started playing this game less than a month ago and my "Druid Aggro" deck. Pisses people off that "threaten" emote comes out more and more as the game progresses. No i didn't waste money on cards. Taunts...All except patriarch, druid taunt cards +1,+1 cards and few heal cards = QQ and game over. Lost once to a full Epic and Legendary deck, or close enough to full.

[@ainoakeisari]

I'm sweating just thinking of being in that situation in front of thousands of people.

[@Thacoolmon]

Wait, what happens if they tie?

[@heebopbeebop3213]

What does RNG mean?

[@weeabooshunter4759]

random number generator

[@lynxrose3005]

30:40 Ben Broooooood!

[@MrSllvn]

Luck defined is when preparation meets opportunity, Firebat had an awesome druid deck and everything just worked out.

[@rubensc.2140]

CLASSIC IS BACK

[@irengig8362]

Seriously for all of you who thought this is all about luck, that last game was pure skill from firebat right before even the first move is made.

[@Goomba18]

You have to believe in the hearth of the cards to topdick like that, mere luck alone won't be enough!

[@MrJenZ]

I have a question.. why do they play yeti with druid instead of Savage Combatant? i dont see the point?.. i mean there must be one.. they are pros.. there are reasons i guess.. but i dont get it?? anyone pls?

[@Tinskap]

This was played in 2014 dude

[@No__Vanity]

Jens Schneider schwachkopf