TIER LIST: GRIM.EXE PATCH - Predecessor Tier List

Here is my current tier list for Predecessor! This tier list is made with primarily solo queue in mind, meaning it will be pretty good for the majority of players! This is obviously opinionated, so be sure to share your thoughts in the comments below! Jump into predecessor and see what you can do!
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[@Free-Solo]

"Oh boy, cant wait to try this game after playing paragon years ago, i wonder how good my main character Iggy is in this game" Pain

[@Alex-ki4dq]

Just had to accept last night that he's just not good on mid anymore. Feels bad, but at least it forces me to try more.

[@nicholausstevens1262]

​@@Alex-ki4dqhe's a glass cannon, that doesn't make him bad or weak he just has a high risk high reward playstyle.

[@-kj254-7]

Kinda deserved for choosing Iggy of all people💀

[@alexquinones8747]

@@nicholausstevens1262every mid is a glass cannon. This isn’t exclusive to iggy💀

[@Screen-Peeks]

Iggy is a split pushing machine good for solo queuing and baisically a heimer or yorick in league build azure second item and game over

[@AH-64-Apache-Helicopter]

"Even bad teammates can beat a 5v4" you overestimate the teams i have to put up with...

[@rokusho6667]

TRUE! swear to god the amount of time I’ve had to 2v1 solo (morigesh and graystone.) or watch our graystone jungle get merced by a seraph then ragequit….

[@ArbiterElite343]

Morigesh feels like the Grux of midlane. The character feels really good to play against people not used to her or can't trade well with her, but at least in laning phase. Her greatest weakness is just being ganked when she is hyperaggressive, and her teamfight in the late is lackluster. She's playable in the hands of a one trick only because a one trick knows when to abuse the aggression.

[@brandonjackson5946]

well said

[@colbsters7226]

I main Gideon and I love seeing a Morigesh, I truly don’t believe I’ve ever lost lane to her. Other mid laners I can’t say the same. She just doesn’t do enough and having a bad movement ability makes her way to easy to kill. If my jungle ganks before 6 and we get her flash I 100% tp ult with Gideon as soon as I hit 6 and it’s a guaranteed kill

[@JohnnyLoots]

Notice when he got to Shinbi he had to take a drink. That's cuz she makes Pinzo thirsty AF

[@goldenmoa4353]

Just wanted to say love your videos man! Really helpful with all the info

[@aja9924]

Grim feels underwhelming to me. He is so easy to gank that once you get his blink out he’s a walking punching bag. It is honestly similar problem he had in Paragon where he has a big hit box making him easier to hit. He needs to be paired with a support that protects him constantly.

[@goatmeal5241]

Do you have a place you post your favorite builds for characters? I'm new to Predecessor and I've found omeda city but there's so few votes and no recognizable creator names for me to know what's actually good.

[@TsunaTakahiro]

Grim feels horrible. Its VERY hard to get him going ive actually never even gotten all items with him. Games end too fast to get a good endgame feel for him either enemies surrender or allies do. Games ive done well in it was because the whole team (mostly) was doing good and id have to play SUPER passive because 4 basic hits early an mid game hes nearly dead in carry lane. I agree what u said about him and ive been saying the same in your and other comments, he doesn't feel stronger than other pics and hes slow af and is nearly the size of ult rampage lol nobody misses anything on you. And the shield is .5 sec how is that going to save u? It stops 1 cc and you'll still get hit with a combo and die. You have to play way too passive with him and he takes too long to get online (assuming he is good in endgame like you said). Friends been teasing me about him but i told them soon as they can buy him to do so and try him out😂 for the the above you might as well play another carry. Its like the same or worse than how squishy Kira is but you're like 20 times bigger, slower and no mobility. I was hoping he'd be much better here than on paragon but this "hustler" got my 10k amber😅😢

[@DuckOnQuak123]

Pinzo, could you mention in future tier list videos what bad matchups the A tier characters have? Even if it’s just in an offhand way, it can be helpful to know when to avoid picking some of those characters

[@boom1612]

As a former iggy main from paragon, he’s garbage right now

[@Ry-tr4xy]

Yeh sad times!

[@coopermay2210]

It is playable tho if you one trick and main Iggy! Had a game a couple days ago where a random diamond player on iggy smacked up soulreaper (I was on iggy’s team as a support rik man was goated). He definitely needs a buff tho to be fit for general consumption.

[@raymondjimenez1753]

Wraith and Carries running mid and the Megacosm changes did him in

[@muramasa870]

As always😂

[@faxslaps5775]

I’m doing decent. He is too fun to give up on him. He is the glue. You will die but you gotta make it count

[@Angel-dv6jx]

I personally woulda put Grim in C tier his hit box is huge and he is so squishy. If I am opposing carry I play very aggressively because his huge hitbox, limited movement and low health make him so easy to bully

[@richardfitswell898]

Entirely agree. He’s only good if he’s allowed to be.

[@ravenzkilla]

Matchup dependent and in solo que (speaking from 1200 MMR) I think riktor is a solid A+. If the enemy team has a mid Howie or Gideon that didn't build true silver, getting that free hook is a massive shutdown to prevent them from doing all of their DMG. Most of them don't build true silver in lower MMR as well. The only time I ever build it is vs rev or riktor to prevent getting CC'd

[@dallonbates3500]

Hey do you know if I get a mouse and keyboard for my Xbox can I use that to play predecessor not sure if this game is compatible I just can't keep up with a controller I'm stuck in gold

[@Screen-Peeks]

Just got back into the game with a group of friends and we have been having a blast. Loving iggy and scorch and Argus (of course). Gideon seems fun with prophecy built! Gives me league Ezreal vibes

[@Meeach]

Hey, in your future vids could you please explain what each of the items do when you pick them. It would really help some of the newer players learn the items. Or even just put the items text on screen so we know what it does.

[@brutalyoungin6400]

Can you do a spell tier list like the best ones to start with and go for end game

[@hunterwilkie490]

Grim was very hard to play in Paragon too. He is a lot of like Revenant where if you are ahead you can dominate. But if you are behind you are fucked

[@DIMEWISER]

I just started playing this game and GRIM was my first purchase. He’s dope so far; had like 2-3 10+ kill games already. Looking for my next Hero; who is bursty?

[@tatepinnix1995]

What's up, probably a stupid question, but I just start playing predecessor and it's my first moba and I'm on playstation. I here you guys talking about playing comp and stuff but obviously there only the EA screen, so where or how are you guys playing comp? Thanks for the vids, got me started

[@PinzoDunzo]

There are tournaments put on by the community! There is actually a tournament this Saturday and Sunday on twitch.tv/primechampionshipcircuit if you want to see it. I'll be playing!

[@jankaselitz]

Sounds like a epic quest incentive for mastering Iggy. There must be a way to shine.

[@jysprk7395]

I’ve been having so much fun with sevarog lately

[@notGedo]

Ive been playing a lot of grim. What I can say is that this guy is a ranged Kallari. You just need to be hiper annoying with the displacement bomb to poke em and always keep distance between them. Since he dies from 3 basic attacks it isn’t very hard to engage when there is a noticeable health difference. I have seen people getting so frustrated that they go right in. Csuse the displacement and his ult are freaking insane. I saw a build with mindrazor, ashbringer, caustica, sky splitter and kingsbane, crest typhoon. That this eats everything if you follow that strategy. I had to learn the hard way, using him in off hah

[@ParagonOG]

How is wraith in b i go went 20 and 0 last night hes insane can always disengage

[@drogon2988]

I win team games constantly as Gadget. I even support as Gadget and typically have the 3rd to most kills on the team. If you have a Zarus or Dekker on the team, you should be using Gadget.

[@SemperMaximum]

Playing solo queue carry, getting into the match and realize your going against a TB/Wraith carry with an Argus support is so much pain. it makes the laning phase so unplayable/not fun.

[@jsavoni6478]

I've been playing sparrow for a bit now and doing really well. I tried some TB last night with same build and felt a lot weaker than sparrow... I was surprised after hearing how great TB is. Maybe I should try a different build on him

[@B33TUS]

That's probably because Sparrow is a pure Physical Damage hero, while Twin Blast gets a lot of his damage from Magical. I like to give him the Magical Power boosting items, and them give him the items, "Prophecy" and "Oathkeeper". These fit him because his whole style is to alternate abilities and basic attacks.

[@Stevennn-]

I’m pretty new, and I play on controller so I guess that’s a relative disadvantage, but I still get 15-20 kills a game as grim on average, simply by farming solo and letting my team do their thing, as long as I get to 4 items and we have a frontline (even if they’re bad and die right away) as long as they peel for even like 2-3 seconds in a team fight I usually kill every enemy, the ability to eat a cc with shield and use the knock back to self peel is crazy tbh, you just need to not be using it off cooldown for damage and instead save it to shoot at your feet to knock away any melees who get onto you

[@richardfitswell898]

Dude I’ve been practicing that!! I never really got good enough on paragon to use the shield but I’m getting the hang but that distance bubble is like howie’s but sorta better in a really sticky situation since it’s immediate

[@Biggie_Pauls]

Can't believe after all this time, Paragon is actually back on console. I have a pc and ps5 but all my friends are console only so grateful for pred. Feels crazy how far the game has evolved from the original paid alpha access all those years ago 👏

[@nickcalderone349]

Alot harder but more impressive

[@swearingalien]

I’m in gold 3 (so still pretty “bad”) and had a Morigesh on my team that had 75k team damage was was like triple the next highest damage on the team from our carry. I could see Morigesh being strong but maybe it was a good player vs bad ones like you mentioned

[@IMPOSSIBLEPURPLE1234]

Imo his tier list is for the top 10% of players most players are in gold/silver and a lot of his choices are wrong for the average player.

[@pixelmania1261]

I'm not an awful midlane, but I feel like the free lock on and ult of Morg are just so good in solo. I lowkey get dumpstered by her because of that tiny hitbox too

[@user-ye9yt2mv2n]

Iggy isn’t a midlaner. He’s a split pushing tank or a zoner, I constantly most dmg in my games but just don’t secure kills because he feeds teammates. I just think people build him wrong.

[@M4L1y]

eggie is great MID, split pusher and line destroyer

[@rudy2shoes]

I have seen Grim go absolutely nuts and be nearly broken. I have also seen Grim eat shit and be an easily bullied fridge I just don’t know

[@zoomzoomboy24]

His problem is his shield doesn't really do anything against heroes that can dive him. Serath is his worst nightmare.

[@andrewwilson201]

I wonder if they added a root or stun on successful block if that would help enough with the dives.

[@tobywessling1282]

@@andrewwilson201 that would be way too strong, but a silence would be pretty deserved

[@motorboatmygoat6488]

Honestly I've yet to see a good grim

[@sebastianlinhart3704]

I’ve been playing for a while and I’m a revenant main, I would have to say revenant to me he is a lot like wraith. A good revenant player who understands his match ups and doesn’t get completely behind can completely dumpster teams in the late game. I think revenant needs some small buff but he feels like a character that if they buff in the wrong way he’ll easily become a top tier adc. His numbers aren’t bad. I hope they give him just a little bit of love

[@IMPOSSIBLEPURPLE1234]

I can't believe he put gadget down there

[@goncalosilva3680]

how do you say grux is a but Greystone is b, what is the sense in that, grux in lane is the most easy gank ever as well, and in jungle you do have cc but no mobility

[@ArbiterElite343]

Shinbi in A is fair. Wouldnt be surprised if she was B considering her nuances make her difficult for the average player. Her potential in a solo q can range from being dumpstered to carrying depending on your playstyle and role. Her jungle mainly relies on her being a slight farm bot early to gain traction, and if everyone on the team loses, its insanely awkward. I personally main her in the midlane to great success due to the free farm and good safety from it. A Shinbi who can farm really well that can use her kit runs away with a game hands down. On a more realistic standpoint though, shes alright, so fair enough.

[@itsjustques]

I solo q her in jungle and offlane and def have to play passive till i get ult and a couple items fully built. When i get to do what i want it’s free game more often than not

[@itsjustques]

It’s not like she doesn’t exist early game tho, I can always execute when my laners have good poke even without ult

[@jaylengoat]

can you make a one trick tier list

[@JudgeJonesSells]

Calling Zarus OP basically is crazy work. Haha. If I'm Crunch, soon as I hit lvl 6, Zarus is getting worked. Being good with Crunch just comes down to combos. Certain situations call for certain combos.

[@kristianswotek4274]

What’s your mmr?

[@JudgeJonesSells]

@@kristianswotek4274 1162. I'm pretty terrible at the game.

[@johnnysmallz1597]

Yeah not sure on this either. Don't get me wrong he is a monster when he gets going, much like shinbi (who he's got ranked low imo). But any hyper aggressive hero like crunch, grux, Kwang is going to out box him and starve him for gold then rotate and be a menace for the team. I'd really like to see an example of this. That said he's best at jungle. One of the strongest. You have to avoid the opposite jung at first, because again he is slower to get going but then he can just be a menace with his lock down.

[@lucasmar5322]

As a zarus offlaner gruxs and crunched feel like the bane of my existence. How do I win these matchups?

[@RageFuu]

Play more defensive until you get your second or third item. Also you have a spear throw that thang lol it’s good to secure minions while keeping a distance

[@WShoup9818]

Bro you should 100% be winning against grux right now with his nerfs you just gotta go in and poke and retreat. Your passive will heal you more than his gruxs bleed passive after this update. If he pulls you stun and dash if he follows you have the buff from your dash up and if he doesn't you have a spear.

[@IMPOSSIBLEPURPLE1234]

Reveant has been one of the best ive seen

[@gamingmonts9737]

14:27 I'm main riktor support and we're making alooooooooot of assumptions right there 😂😂

[@NuHighScore]

how much of this list applies to team/tournament level play, I like to aspire to such heights.

[@PinzoDunzo]

not a whole lot, most characters move in Competetive play

[@jon7605]

Been playing iggy, his turrets are quiet disappointing I think he needs a turret buff and a new ultimate

[@user-cw9oh7pf9d]

I have been seeing 3 mages a lot with grim and I feel like that is a major problem with him. IMO better in mid lane with two tanks. Team comp seems to work better with his attack damage being converted and when you need him to be the solo carry he just can’t get his items online to do anything in the early fights fights

[@itsjustques]

Im just here to see Shinbi get slept on some more

[@andrewwilson201]

I’m looking to play shinbi but have no idea how to build her

[@WShoup9818]

​@@andrewwilson201it's always changing but right now she has two decent different builds. One is oathkeeper,wraith leggings,caustica,spellbreak,crown. Vs magecosm,timewarp,wraith leggings,spellbreak,dream binder.

[@MLightning24]

Just started playing on Xbox and SO many of my solo queue supports play Phase and it's just bad man

[@phillipscott4808]

I think grim is A at the very least I agree he has a slow early game but once you get 2 or 3 items he can duel almost anyone. I do think he has bad match ups and getting people off you is key but his damage is insane

[@IMPOSSIBLEPURPLE1234]

Never lost to a rampage they get absolutely rolled in gold and silver lobbies

[@chrism4032]

I mostly agree with your opinion, but man Countess is very strong right now. I see her in every game and people assassinate everyone with her. She should be at least A

[@zackcstovall]

He has her in A

[@chrism4032]

I mean A+

[@YaoyorozuKMomo]

@@chrism4032 yeah, I agree with that too

[@bobbyhill6193]

Game chat will be nice to add to this game

[@moonman9095]

Twin one hit build please

[@lumanianilin1198]

Not you putting Greystone in B and me getting destroyed by almost all the Greystone I've encountered 😭😭😭 (Granted I'm brand new 😅)

[@rafaelramoscardona3108]

I'd say revenant falls under the C tier. Like on that scale of 1 to 10 of how good you have to be with him 10 being the best. You have to at least be an 8. So pretty high. 4 shots in the chamber isn't a lot to work with so you gotta make all 4 hit plus you have to utilize his who kit like an expert.

[@BreadsellerEgghead]

Greystone kinda slain from his throne. I love feng beeing very valueable and my beloved sevarog still a king!

[@dangeloenglish4284]

If you can hit half ur ults on CD, I think Murdock is A+. No he may not the THE strongest. It's basically big poke kinda like grim, and hard to gank cuz of the spacing. But I can respect an A. Most players can't hit skill shots.

[@hilairebeatz]

These tier list are always subjective.

[@faranth3870]

Grim c tier for sure.

[@user-jj2ip3bn9j]

He said "Even bad teammates can win a 5v4" actually my teammates can't.. actually one disconnected when the match started and we had a Zarus support...solo q.

[@jonathancoss2345]

How do you supposed to play against Grux as a feng

[@johnnysmallz1597]

Trick is early use your passive to chunk his hp. Hit, hamstring, back off. Rinse repeat. He gets his ult you dash out avoid him until it's over.

[@jonathancoss2345]

Thank you that was the only one giving me trouble wit feng

[@johnnysmallz1597]

@jonathancoss2345 yeah it's tricky because a good grux will also be looking to chip away with his passive. Use a lot of lateral side to side motion so his uppercut or his pull misses and if you get him chipped down with his ult down you can disrupt his combo by dashing as he's doing either and then all in him.

[@colbsters7226]

I be dodging anytime I see anyone try to pick iggy, he legit just exists as another minion but worth way more gold

[@gambeano]

Idk I guess it depends on how much you value a character only being good at 1 lane but I would put grim borderline A. He has very BAD match ups but in midlane he's pretty OP lol it depends on your aim and your ability to hit his lob but his poke is insane in mid. When you get ability haste going by the time the enemy jungle shows up their mid is at half or lower health. I play him mid all the time and it's pretty fucking funny just poking from basically tower with the lob every like 8 seconds. And his fuck u super cool down is just the cherry on top. Only mids that can compete are argus cause argus just fucks and howie. If you respect distance and play under tower he is a wall and 99% of the time it will lead into either enemy jungle rage camping to help their sold lane or the lane gets abandoned.

[@otcotcotcotc]

B tier (def gives one trick vibes) his shield is absolutely ass and needs a buff in some way I build grim as a mage and just focus on poking with my primary ability. I go orb of enlightenment , megacosm, prophecy, magnify, oblivion crown Switch out magnify for tainted scepter or caustica as needed for pen I will say he is shit early game and the most gankable character. So gankable in fact that I prefer offlane in solo q just so I can try to survive my lane and get as big as I can before team fights. If I can hold my own with only 1-2 deaths early the mid to late game is god like. 3-4 items in and your primary ability comes back every 5 seconds. Ult comes back every 40. And ur good to spam them bc you have a ton of mana.

[@matthewhj9495]

Never seen a good kallari

[@neveh32]

Dang I'm a lvl 8 morigesh and reck mids 😭

[@indocomplex]

❤‍🔥

[@shlubbs7894]

Endgame rev shits on a lot of player I feel like. At least on console. Like now matter how bad u do if u survive until I get like 3-4 cards u just melt everyone

[@jayo615]

Rev is sooooo strong in late game , he just 2 taps lmfaoo

[@ethanloeb8197]

Revenant is great once you get your items, but his early-mid game is trash. More so with a support with bad clear

[@motorboatmygoat6488]

Greystone is broken broken

[@burningbladetv9185]

Most of my games where I've literally carried the whole team was with Greystone. Had a game where the enemy duo started in solo killed me twice quick I rage quit came back immediately went on a 14 kill streak and won the game rest of my team was like .25 kd

[@StreetCammo]

Meet me in the midlane with my Iggy and get bodied! Lol

[@ElCanadian14]

Low tier legend

[@Screen-Peeks]

Facts but I do keep a pocket Argus pick lmao 🤣

[@partydeer1640]

Argus is infuriating to fight. 99% of games i see him in duo lane and unless you have a very capable teammate with you, Argus is going to flatten you every fight. Kit dumping is always annoying but getting wombo combo'd by Argus is essentially the same as watching an unskippable cutscene of your character dying

[@chef_boyardom5563]

Nice opinion. Agree and disagree on things.. Any character is good if you have a good team . Don’t sleep people. Don’t be scared to dip your toes into some characters. I kick ass with Iggy and Mid is my least favorite position. 😎

[@zeppelinfan236]

Grim worst carry right now and it’s not even close

[@FatherlessFatfather]

Morigesh is a free kill

[@ireactiionzi184]

I really think wraith is A tier with bad matchups. Late game if I’m doing well(3 items) I can 1v1 well against a lot of great midlaners. Early game is kinda hard against fey, howie and Gideon tho

[@pandadalton21]

Revenant is not bottom tier now lol he is wild

[@Derangedunknown]

Never understand how khais s but crunch ain't outside of sustain jungle early game and early fangs he ain't got much cant escape when caught out no cc outside ult sure crunch ain't super tanky unless built that way but ain't no way Khai 1v1 winning post lvl6 unless he's feed with items but crunches ganks are just better with double dash he can just jump you even when your just one step outa tower uppercut into a rik pull or steel ult and you don't gota be THE Frontline when you got steel rik kwang grux just be one of the frontline

[@guap2cold]

Khai is 1v1 king . I win every 1v1 no matter who it is if I’m on khai crunch is cool too but khai literally heals himself as he’s fighting . It’s hard to 1v1 him

[@Derangedunknown]

@@guap2cold that is just not true simple not

[@cohemo077]

I have had grin on my team at least 15 times and we have lost every single one of them. I don’t see why you would go grim instead of literally any other carry

[@daddydrip304]

As a bad player I can confirm morigesh is dog water if I’m trying to 1v1

[@M4L1y]

Morigesh is a good nuker and escaper, she is not C

[@RatchR]

Grim's autos really should scale with magical power....🤔 the current item system doesn't make phys power magical pen items. That would be counterintuitive right? Makes you wonder why grims magical autos scale off phys 😂😂😂

[@CRISTOF594]

Bro really doesnt like the Morigesh.She is my main, im winning with her every game with at least 10-15 kills.

[@Durrtyboy]

They nerfed iggy too hard since paragon he used to be geeat now hes kinda meh needs buffed

[@M4L1y]

grim.exe is S - bro, what the hell are you doing here

[@Zurn187]

Zarus best solo laner lvl 1-5 100% agree then he hit a wall in most matchup if he didnt get a 40-50 cs lead or lvl lead :) Real Soloq/duoq when ? I face so many sweaty stack of 3-4-5 as soloq 😮 Grim.exe just get hes ass kicked by top mid and adc atm... all my games they go 0-10 in no time 😂 Like soulreaper said he dont look too bad cause MR items are kinda ASS 😂

[@wrath6919]

For new players greystone is broken

[@the_beast_dog9312]

I think morigesh is better in my opinion

[@nickcalderone349]

Gadget is A easy

[@lidor776]

Ssshhhhh keep it low about zarus. Let us people that can actually can hit a spear enjoy him. Seriously now, i dont think he needs a nerf because he's a bit harder to play than the rest of the melee characters.

[@rmilli9]

I agree

[@aaronstevenson6569]

Flopped on the greystone placement

[@timmeytim405]

I really Love serath, but her early game is so damn Bad!

[@legitguy6551]

Your tier list is not even close to the truth … morigesh c tier ? Defenitely A Sparrow S riktor A Grux Shinbi A Muriel C Wraith A Phase A and you put all of them in wring place but thank you

[@IMPOSSIBLEPURPLE1234]

Yo pinzo L tier list

[@dapj11231989]

Yea this tier list kinda ass ngl

[@DaActionBastard]

Greystone situational is crazy

[@austinvanburen158]

Greystone is crazy good. Anytime I go up against one who has a good build it takes like the whole team to kill him

[@davehalliday8010]

If u rank morg in low tier then you should just uninstall the game. Same with rev. If you think hes lowest rank just uninstall the game

[@PinzoDunzo]

sounds like you need to git gud