Tierlist/meta discussion

[@Mon-Ki]

**TIMESTAMPS** Initial placements (if there was an explanation): 5:18 - Noel 5:54 - Nine 7:59 - Izanami 8:24 - Tsubaki 10:00 - Litchi 10:21 - Lambda 12:24 - Tager 13:00 - Mu 15:13 - Jubei 15:38 - Azrael 20:31 - Kokonoe 21:26 - Ragna 23:18 - Nu 24:32 - Jin 26:22 - Hibiki 28:13 - Celica 31:26 - Arakune 34:20 - Bang More explanations: 36:16 - Noel 37:07 - Makoto 38:08 - Nu 39:20 - Celica 40:34 - Tager 41:19 - Terumi 42:36 - Jubei 43:04 - Bullet 46:11 - Azarel 50:10 - Azrael cont. 51:54 - Amane 52:48 - Hibiki 57:19 - Taokaka 59:53 - Kagura 1:03:10 - Platinum 1:05:53 - Hazama 1:08:45 - Ragna 1:10:06 - Susano'o 1:13:15 - Naoto 1:15:38 - Hakumen 1:18:48 - Mu 1:20:50 - Lambda 1:25:44 - Relius 1:27:36 - Jin 1:28:21 - Tsubaki 1:29:13 - Arakune 1:30:03 - Valkenhayn 1:32:07 - Es 1:32:44 - Litchi 1:39:55 - Mai 1:45:39 - Kokonoe 1:49:14 - Izanami 1:51:37 - Izayoi 1:56:38 - Rachel 1:59:04 - Carl 2:08:22 - Bang

[@Killakob3s]

Appreciate it

[@thaumasios6163]

Good chart. Lol at "Carl mains say he has losing MUs", you are NOT winning against that character - At best, you go even against him because your own neutral is fucked and can skip the Ada shenanigans, or have offence he can't block out like Rachel / Valk.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauu]

why do you rate litchi so low? i thought people considered her to be in the same tier as carl, rachel and izanami

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauu]

ik you said you feel she doesnt have eanything special but she has fast overheads and an unreactable cross up on top of the fact she also has a DP which i feel it should balance out her less crazy mix

[@Killakob3s]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauu chars that are better also have strong defensive options. carl/izayoi/mai defense is better than a dp you cant RC. Her crossup is solid but its nothing super crazy, most characters have one strong cheapish option. its not comparable to rachel/carl/izayoi

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauu]

@@Killakob3s ah that makes sense. You also said kokonoe has a high/low 50/50 but as far as i know her high/low is j2c/2b or 6b/2b which are both reactable, so shouldn’t it be possible to block her out as long as she doesn’t TP

[@Killakob3s]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauu falling j2c/empty 2b is a 16-17f mixup thats also conceiled by visual clutter. Its pretty real. TK j2c is reactable tho yes.

[@TWEWYas]

@@Killakob3s Cacn you explain what you're referring to when it comes to Mai's DEF?