Who Are The 24 Elders In The Book Of Revelation?

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I dreamt about what book of revelation is talking about before I knew it existed or read it myself. Ive been to church many many times and never heard any teachings on the book of revelation nor did I know that Jesus is supposed to come a second time etc. It was when the Holy Spirit literally encountered me when I cried out for forgiveness after being under demonic oppression for like 10 years, that I had this voice urging me to read the Bible and I knew my dream was prophetic. My whole being was changed this day and I was so surprised and mind blown by what is in the Bible when I actually started reading and studying it myself. I started telling other people around me that were to church more than myself and there were mindblown too. Ive learnt more about Jesus and the Gospel from online bible studies in 1 year than what I learnt in church for many years before.

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Thanks to God for this teaching of this day and thank u brother TIFF for explaining this chapter for me and to US praise the u really don't know how many times i thank Jesus for u i am so happy to hear the teaching of the holy words in Jesus Name amen

[@nickitoff9629]

Thank you Pastor Tiff! I'm living ready and learning so much about my Heavenly Father. I love you too Pastor Tiff!😇

[@misskj7773]

Yes, Yes, AMEN, Pastor! I have said this for years now. God bless you!! It is the definitive scriptural proof of a pre-tribulation rapture.

[@annas.2551]

so good ! thank you so much Mr. Shuttlesworth for your love for the Word of God you have and sharing your teaching with us. listening to anointing Bibleteachers as you are, leads me to love the word of God even more and helps so much to understanding the word of God even better - .

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[@rosebenjamin1424]

Thank you so much Ev. Tiff. I'm learning so much about the Bible and this was something I had wondered about for years-the 24 elders. Thank you for making this very clear.

[@WendyTucker-x2w]

Thank you so much for this very well explained teaching. I love all your teaching and I pray for you every day. May God bless you and your family abundantly. 🙏

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[@Peach_state_patriot77]

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[@timharris1083]

Thank you brother Tiff! Once again a wonderful teaching confirming what the Holy Ghost has already told me

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[@virginiagathii6993]

Your identification of the elders is very objective. Somebody taught these elders are the or some of the saints Jesus opened their graves during His death. Again, thanks, and I will pick this view I'd no other.

[@portableseminary]

What an excellent bible study!! I am blessed from Nigeria, Africa.

[@avrambuciu3990]

If the 24 Elders are the church, who are the 4 creatures? Their singing the same song

[@veronicanaicker6578]

Tiff congratulation to u man u speak good the word of God. God bless u n Ur families man. Amen 🙏🙏🙏

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[@Tjn757]

Thanks in Jesus Name

[@eeveeredbulla9147]

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[@rayma6173]

Thank you so much for this teaching! ❤ I had happened across another podcast this evening about the 24 Elders ( which basically said that the 24 Elders were probably the 12 sons of Jacob and the 12 Apostles of Jesus..) It DID make sense, per se; however, I KNEW that I had to fact check it with your teaching and I'm glad that I did! 😊 (btw: taking notes to your teaching took me back 40+ yrs when I was trying to takes notes in college classes & Police Academy classes!) At least, I can pause and rewind you. Lol Thank you, again for your ministry and your teachings. God Bless! ❤🙏

[@virginiagathii6993]

Thanks evangelist. The mention of "...what will soon take place..." to me suggests a gap between the rapture and the tribulation but apparently short. Some of us feel the gap between the rapture and the tribulation is seven years but this would necessitate the two events to coincide ie happen the same day. This, though, is not unlikely God willing but Satan will be caught unawares.

[@Revealed_TMHira]

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[@tanpuayhwa4715]

Pastor Tiff, is it at the Bema throne or great white throne that the church must judged after rapture ?

[@CowboysFan777]

The Church is given rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ after the rapture. We are not judged for sin. This is only for rewards. The Great White Throne Judgement is only for the lost and cursed. If we are there, then we are the jury! We only give guilty or not guilty verdicts.

[@seasquawker]

Check out Zechariah chapter 3 and also chapter 6 verse 11. Receives a robe, has companions who sit with him for the purpose of judgment in a court... and also receives a gold crown.

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[@veraestrice6495]

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[@cherylallen9640]

Amen

[@jerryl9823]

Revelation, the last book in the bible, but not the least. In fact it is the book the promises a blessing to the reader. Do not be afraid to read it, and learn it. God reveals the future so we can know Him and His ongoing redemptive plan. God reveals Himself. Written 2000 years ago, it is more updated than tomorrow's news. We are in Revelation 3, the end of the church age is close, and revelation 4 does indeed start with the raptured saints in Heaven! Quite a thought as we see current events as they are these days leading up to the pretrib rapture. Tiff gives a very encouraging comforting and insightful message here during this incredible year of 2022.

[@paulinemarcia8243]

Amen..❤..🙏

[@erniecollins8349]

Bro Tiff I have a special request. I have a good friend that has not been saved. He knows right from wrong but he refuses to give his heart to God. Me and his wife has talked to him but he is hard hearted. It will take a miracle to get him to church and be saved. We believe in miracles but I felt led to ask you to help us about his soul. You have helped me in so many ways and Praise God I believe in miracles.

[@BenMcleanhall]

Keep praying for Him- God can do all things .

[@natalinacampisi4606]

Wonderful teaching, thank you for explain it so well.............I wonder why the number 24 Elders? does the number 24 mean something?

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[@endtimesprophecy1473]

Around 41.35, you mentioned that the great white throne judgement will take place in heaven during the tribulation. Isn't that supposed to be the Bema seat judgement. Isn't the Great White Throne judgment reserved for the ungodly after the millennium rule is over? You also mentioned the White throne judgement earlier on as well. Was that only an oversight on your behalf?

[@callenomwenga2850]

God bless you pastor,I have a question,are the 24 elders the ones mentioned by names in Hebrews 11 ?

[@mcgeorgerl]

That would be pure speculation and "private interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20). Patience... you'll find out later.

[@TheLastCrow5150]

I still need to do a deep dive on Revelation as described in greek. It's a long haul but it'll be worth it. Everytime I've studied scripture in the original language, it's blown my mind and my original understanding to pieces in order to create a clearer image. I don't ever give absolutes when it comes to my own personal interpretation. I don't mold it on my own. More like God is revealing the true nature of how he molded it. The way it should be. Sad thing is that I'm considered Unorthodoxed Christian in the eyes of 'religion' for asking questions and learning the truth... I hate religion. It takes the Lord's work and and uses it in nefarious ways for personal gain. People who truly want to learn about God and understand The Savior are learning from heretics. It breaks my heart. These new age ideas which conpletely misuse it. Satan and the fallen angels know the Bible in and out. Better than any human does with the exceptionof Christ.. And they use it as a weapon.

[@mcgeorgerl]

The prophets and apostles of the Lord God were at a complete loss as to what their visions represented unless they were revealed by God. Peter warns of engaging "private interpretation" of prophecy and the amount of guesswork, supposition and speculation of last 'Last Days' should be viewed as an embarrassment. Look, when Amos and Jeremiah were shown baskets of fruit in their visions, they had no clue as to what they represented until God told them what they meant... and they meant DIFFERENT THINGS to the two prophets.

[@JuneBrome]

Bro. Tiff, the Rapture of the Church is said to be a secret catching away of the saints. Will this also include those who died in Christ ?

[@marlontiongco1691]

Is there anyone knows the name of the 24kings or elders mentioned in book of revelation chapter 4.

[@kaswainyangungu4817]

Thanks evangelist for this expose. I tuned in 24 hours ago and I was blessed. However, in the course of today I've pondered on this. If these elders are part of the raptured saints, shouldn't we believe they're are currently not in heaven because the rapture hasn't taken place. This would mean either the four living creatures too are not or they are but the elders will join them later; that separation would be biased. This is because it would raise the issue of angels on the same line. No problem with John's vision for part of what he saw is in the future eg tribulation saints under the altar.

[@lyleecooper9452]

Brother Tiff, you are absolutely right: the church will NOT go through Daniel's 70th week, or "the tribulation." Where you have missed it is that "the tribulation" or the 70th week will not begin in Revelation until the 7th seal. God marked the entire 70th week with sevens. The 5th seal is for the martyrs of the church age, so of course the church is still here, until the final church age martyr is killed. Judgment cannot start until the final church age martyr is killed. If we can only believe what Paul wrote, we would understand that the rapture will take place just before God's wrath begins. I know at least two authors that wrote that the rapture and the Day of the Lord will be "back-to-back" events. I like to say that the rapture will be the trigger for the start of the Day. We can all be assured that the rapture will be pretrib, for the simple fact: 6 always comes before 7 in counting. The rapture will come just before the 6th seal, and the tribulation will begin at the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment. Classic pre-trib theory has has HOLES in it. People will good reading and study skills have discovered that Rev. 4:1 was about John being called up, and that the 70th week does NOT begin at the first seal. God's wrath it not mentioned until the 6th seal, and it would be terrible exegesis to try and force wrath backwards from the 6th seal to the first seal. I think we all can agree that God is not mad-has no wrath-directed against his martyrs. It is because of these holes in pre-trib doctrine, that people have come up with a post-trib or a pre-wrath rapture. What is sad, they are even further from the truth of scripture.

[@mcgeorgerl]

Absolutely not. You cannot put the "tribulation" AFTER "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb..." The "picture" of the 6th Seal is all men having full knowledge of the source of the wrath and are already trying to escape it. And if we apply your reasoning that "6 always comes before 7 in counting", what comes before the "first"? The "first" resurrection has saints in it who have lost their heads to the Beast. We're told TWICE in Revelation 20 what the first resurrection is yet a Pre-Tribulation catching up requires a resurrection of dead saints. "First" means that nothing has come before it.

[@leandukharan4626]

Rev. 4:4 the 24 elders are ruptured and are seen in heaven enjoying the towards promised to saints who overcome. The 24 elders are men. The whole priesthood at the time of David was represented or headed by 24 individuals according to God commandment , 1 Chronicles 24:1-9. These 24 elders are no doubt exalted permanently on the 24 thrones to serve in the highest official capacity in God kingdom. It is possible that they will be the head of all redeemed in the sense that the 24 individuals of old were the heads of the whole priesthood. David will reign over all Israel.

[@rainbows99]

So the 24 elders are people left behind from the church?

[@scottchapple4087]

It would be amazing to see who the 24 Elders are when we are gathered up. The number 24 has got to have some type of meaning or delegated reason. Why 24? I believe totally what you said about the 24 Elders. Just wondering why the number 24.

[@justathoughthere]

There were 24 courses of priests in the Old Testament (1. Chron. 24:1-19). Maybe that's why there also must be 24 courses of priests in the New Testament priesthood. This is not the New Testament copying from the Old Testament, but rather the other way around. According to Hebrews 8:5 the order of the temple in the Old Testament was copied from the heavenly temple. Well, ... that's at least an answer as to where the number 24 might come from, but it doesn't tell us the reason for that particular number. Maybe we'll just have to wait and see until we're there.

[@stevejeffries6945]

Please look up Dr. Paul Felter on this issue. I believe Dr. Felter can bring the body of Christ together as a gift to Jesus for the rapture.

[@mrscarolann]

I'm wondering what is the significance of the number 24 still .....

[@michellebarlas1180]

It’s a mirror of what David set up for the Levitical priest that were in charge when the 1st temple was built! The heavenly temple with the church will continue with this “set up”

[@arbexvasquez2896]

Ptr. Tiff, I have a question regarding the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and Revelation 14, are they the same people? Thank you.

[@CowboysFan777]

The 144,000 are sealed Jews during the Tribulation seal #6. They are either killed or raptured. See Revelation 14:3. They are not the Elders in Revelation 4&5. Completely different group. The Raptured Church sees all 7 seals opened in Heaven. See Revelation 5:9. God bless.

[@SundayUdeori]

24 elders are the power of God to over rule worldly activities they supreme and powerful over there duties

[@lindaliewliew4484]

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[@wongsikiongwongsikiong4296]

Most probably, I think the 24 elders are the the 12 apostles of the Lamb and the prophets of the old testament.

[@achildofthelight4725]

2 Chronicles "24"..... the names string a teaching 😊

[@llorraine7587]

The 24 elders are among the Old Testament saints, from the House of Judah.. And, the friends of Christ at the heavenly wedding.. Freely received, freely given..

[@CowboysFan777]

They are saved by the blood of Jesus, not by bulls and goats.

[@royworthington3781]

In order to be an elder, you would have to be like us and been through what we go through... angels don't fit this category, they're already eternal beings.

[@willielee5253]

@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46 Jacob's Inheritance

[@RaptureofSaints]

The 24 Elders are indeed as Jesus said they are and that is 24 Elders! John did not ask for their names! John did not ask who they were! John was NOT told their Names! John was NOT One of those 24 Elders! Jesus said do NOT Add to the Words of Revelation and do NOT remove any of the Words of Revelation! That Means do NOT Change what Jesus said! The 24 Elders are 24 Elders that Existed when John went to Heaven from Patmos! Those 24 Elders still exist today! Each of those 24 Elders have a Crown and each of them speak and bow down and worship! That Simple! Lets not play Guessing Games!

[@GeorgeIwunze]

The 24 elders are a special kind of angels present at the throne of God. They are different from other angels. They are the advisory council of God. They are the ones who receive the prayers of the people of God. They are not righteous men made perfect. They had been in existence aeons ago. Even before the angels were created. And then man. God is farthormless.

[@SpotterVideo]

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. ================= Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.

[@anelectofgod114]

So much focus on proper exegesis (which is good), but then fails to use proper exegesis for rapture theology.

[@MrRondonmon]

I have been teaching this for awhile. Rev. 2:5, 3:10 and 3:21. I also ad in the fact that we are called Kings and Priests in Rev. 1 and in Rev 5:10, and in 1 Chronicles 24 we are given the 24 Orders of the Priesthood, so these 24 Elders, IMHO, represent whole Church in that we are all Priests unto God. The one thing I disagree (And I see everyone do this) with is, the 144,000 are not Jewish Preachers (remember proper hermeneutics😉) nowhere in the bible does it say they preach, as a matter of fact Rev. 14:6 tells us an Angel evangelizes the whole earth after to Rapture. The 144,000 (just like much of Revelation is encoded) is a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, just like the Woman in Rev. 12 is a different code for ALL Israel who repent, just like in other scriptures elsewhere where 7000 is the exact same code. We all know 7 is DIVINE COMPLETION, 12 is Fullness and 10 = Completion, so how is 7000 and 144,000 both correct? 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel or 7000 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel or 144,000 The 144,000 is simply THE WOMAN fleeing Judea just before God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8. Rev. 6 is not Wrath, it is Prophetic Utterings of Jesus foretelling of Gods soon to fall wrath, this is why Seal #7 is opened in Rev. 8 with the Trumps. Seals 1-5 are the Anti-Christs 42 month reign, He 1.) Conquers for 42 months, brings 42 months of 2.)War 3.) Famine 4.) Death and Sickness 5.) He kills the Martyrs for 42 months, or those Gentiles who repent after Rapture, he can't get at the Israel's who repent. Seal #6 is Jesus Prophesying about Gods soon to come Wrath. Thus Seal #6 and Joel 2:31 are the exact 6 same prophecy. Both are fulfilled with ONE ASTEROID, the First Four Trumps bring that eventual DARKNESS as seen in Trump #4, thus fulfilling Seal #6 and Joel 2:31.

[@joesanchez3646]

Why are you drawing lines through my words. James 3:1 may apply to you Tiff.

[@jimsmith8356]

Nor does he say Tribulation. Nor does he say Rapture. So why do you say it?

[@Sons_of_Thunder.]

24 Elders possibility, Genealogy line from Adam to Judah Luke 3, Genesis 5, 11, 25, and 47 sons of God/bene Elohim (Hebrew (בני האלהים‎, bənê hāʼĕlōhîm) 1) Adam (Luke 3: 38---Genesis 5:3-5) Lived: 930 Years. 2) Seth (Luke 3: 38---Genesis 5:3, 6-8) Lived: 912 Years. 3) Enosh (Luke 3: 38---Enosh (Genesis 5:6, 9-11) Lived: 905 Years. 4) Cainan (Luke 3: 37---Genesis 5:9, 12-14) Lived: 910 Years. 5) Mahalael (Luke 3: 37---Genesis 5:12, 15-18) Lived 895 Years. 6) Jared (Luke 3: 37---Genesis 5:15, 18-20) Lived 962 Years. 7) Enoch (Luke 3: 37---Genesis 5:18, 21-24) Lived 365 Years/Translated never saw death. 8) Methuselah (Luke 3: 37---Genesis 5:21, 25-27) Lived 969 Years. 9) Lamech (Luke 3: 36---Genesis 5: 25, 28-31) Lived 777 Years. 10) Noah (Luke 3: 36----Genesis 5:28-29) Lived 950 Years. 11) Shem (Luke 3: 36, Genesis 5:28-29) Lived 950 Years. 12) Arphaxad (Luke 3: 36---Genesis 11: 12-13) Lived 438 Years 13) Cainan (Luke 3: 36) ** >>>>Genesis 11 Moses does not list Cainan

[@ydad9381]

They are the martyr's of great tribulation meaning they are killed by the beast of tribulation. Tjey are not exactly 24 but they are innumerable spirits, they have white robes with a blood. Glory to Yahusha (Jesus Christ).

[@rosesamuel2990]

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[@savingtruthmedia5616]

Do proper exegesis pastor. In chapter 4 we get the preparation of throne room to receive Christ before Christ comes with angelic host in chapter 5 and the elders were already there so nothing like they are redeemed. Also check Rev 7:13. About rapture nowhere in the Bible the word is mention. So these are words coined by futuristic and preterits view on interpretation of antichrist. I have done research on Pre,Mid and Post tribulation which is a white lie.

[@lyleecooper9452]

Sorry brother Tiff, but I must disagree with you here. Revelation 4:1 has nothing at all to do with the rapture of the church. That theory can only come through eisegesis. If we took a classroom of 5th graders and had them read this verse, I suggest that NOT ONE would think this verse is about the rapture of the church. They would all agree that this was John being called up to heaven, to be shown things to come. Perhaps a few would say the purpose was so that we would have the book of Revelation. Some texts say, "after this." Many people, using eisegesis, claim this means, after the church age." It is more myth. We should use the same hermeneutics in Revelation that we use throughout the bible. John used this phrase or a similar one 6 times in Revelation, each time as a transitional phrase showing the reader that the vision he was was changing directions. In other words, after God had dictated these messages to the seven churches, now God was to show John a vision. There are three questions about this vision of the throne room that must be answered. First, we have over a dozen verses in the bible that tell us Jesus went to sit at the right hand of the Father. Stephen SAW him standing there at the Father's right hand. Why then did John not see Jesus in chapter 4? This is HIS book and the revelation of HIM: why then was He not there visible at the right hand of the Father? Next, we read in chapter 5 that a search was made for someone worthy to take the book and open the seals, yet John watched a search from heaven to earth and under the earth - and that search failed. If we read ahead, we see that Jesus was found worthy in a subsequent search. The question must be asked: WHY was Jesus not found worthy in that first search? Finally, we see the Holy Spirit still in the throne room in chapter 4, but we remember that Jesus said He would send HIm down as soon as He ascended. JOhn was seeing this vision around 95 AD, some 60 years after Jesus ascended. WHY then was the Holy Spirit still there in the throne room? If we read on, in chapter 5, John suddenly saw Jesus enter the throne room, and send the Holy Spirit down! WHOA BACK! What is going on here? The answer is simple. God had a problem: He wanted to introduce John to the book sealed with the seven seals, but He CHOSE to begin while the book was still in the hand of the Father. Since Jesus took the book as soon as He ascended, somehow God had to show John in the vision clues that this was a vision of the past. Jesus was not seen at the right hand of the Father in chapter 4, because God was showing John a vision of the past. The first few verses of chapter 4 show us a time while Jesus was on the earth or under the earth. Then in Chapter 5, Jesus was not found worthy in that first search because at that time He had not yet risen from the dead. Time passed, Jesus rose from the dead, and was then found worthy. As we keep reading, Jesus suddenly appeared in the throne room where He had been missing, and immediately sent the Holy Spirit down. We know from the gospels that Jesus told Mary not to touch him for He had not yet ascended. We can surmise that as soon as Jesus sent Mary away, He ascended, and John got to see that moment in time when Jesus suddenly appeared back in the throne room He had left some 32 or so years before. Notice that the first thing Jesus did was take the book from the hand of the Father and begin, RIGHT THEN (around 32 AD) to open the seals. Seal 1 represents the CHURCH sent out with the gospel Seals 2 through 4 represent the devil's attempts to stop the church. Seal 5 is for the martyrs of the church age The rapture will happen here Seal 6 begins God's wrath Seal 7 beguns Daniel's 70th week.

[@Adi_T]

Your theory sounds good too but then who are the 24 elders already seated in the thrones before Jesus even ascended to heaven? No one can enter heaven without Jesus. And these 24 elders already seem to have white robes with Victor crowns. So how are they seated in the thrones before Jesus was seated at the right hand of the Father? And who gave them those crowns?

[@Surina912]

24 elders… # 24 ___year of 2024 The Church Rapture 2024 Elders 🤔

[@miltonreeths522]

Big problem no pre-trib rapture. The Bible doesn't say who these elders are he is trying to make facts out of assumptions using symbolism. The angle on the white horse [4 horsemen] wears a white robe an a crown.

[@simonkadlutsiak8591]

Name of Jesus Christ amen, 24 older are looks like Roman , and there have louder sound when they talking like big jet landing on the land louder voice up to sinks and inside the body wow big voice like jet looks health talking thanks again name of Jesus Christ amen there got hair like sheep and got closer like Roman and got wagon like Roman got super voice like jet 😂

[@michaelgrijak8623]

They are the 12 sons of Israel (Jacob) and the 12 apostles.

[@JW-br5nd]

They come from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. So not 12 sons of Israel and 12 Apostles. I don't know the answer. Still searching.

[@michaelgrijak8623]

@@JW-br5nd The 24 Elders do not come from every tribe, tongue, and nation. That is the elect in general.

[@Nana_Mack]

The lady is not to be lead the church is in the Bible 1 t 1

[@mikemelito6752]

A lot of eisigesis and assumptions being made

[@richpalmer9886]

Revelation three is not the last time the church is mentioned. The church is described as the Saints and we know there are many saints on earth during the tribulation. This is a fallacy that is taught, and it should stop. It falls into people who make the claim because something isn’t mentioned in the Bible. It doesn’t exist. We know that is not true. The Saints are mentioned and Paul teaches that there will be no rapture until the day of the Lord. As far as the 24 elders, there is a council of God that is mentioned and talked about in the Old Testament. Also in the King James, when the song they sing in revelation, five refers to being redeemed, it states that they were also redeemed. That is not the case in the actual Greek. This is one issue with the king James version of the Bible. The word used is autos which means them/they. Anytime the elders are discussed and mentioned they draw distinction between themselves and those saved by God when you read it in the Greek.

[@lyleecooper9452]

"we have...the tribulation from chapter 6 to chapter 19." Sorry, Mr. Tiff, but this is a theory that has been disproved over and over again. If people would only believe John. Rev. 5 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. What did Jesus "prevail over" to be found worthy to open the seals? He prevailed over death! He rose from the dead, somewhere around 32 AD. He was then found worthy by this angel sent to search for one worthy. Since this is a vision and God is only showing us the highlights, the next thing God showed John was Jesus entering the throne room after He ascended-after He sent Mary away. What was the FIRST THING Jesus did? He sent the Holy Spirit down. WHEN did Jesus send the Holy Spirit down? That was around 32 AD. WHEN did Jesus get the Book into HIS hands? Again, that was around 32 AD. I challenge anyone to find 2000 years in any of these verses. It is not there, nor did God intend it to be there. Jesus began opening the seals as soon as He got the book, and that was around 32 AD. It was also very close to when Jesus gave the church her marching orders: GO and make disciples of all nations. But since Satan is the god of this world, the church was sent out into his territory. The church would have to conquer the principalities and powers as the gospel expanded. God has allowed Satan to use wars, pestilences, famines and wild beasts to try and stop the gospel. God LIMITED them (the red horse and rider, the black horse and rider and the pale horse and rider) to only one fourth of the earth.

[@gerhardscholtz3824]

The 24 elders is the combination of the Old Testament and the New Testament. 12 Tribes of Israel of the Old Testament and the 12 Apostels of the New Testament. Secondly there is no pre- tribulation that is pure false teaching. Listen to Joël Richardson's teachings on this matter.

[@tombeetwo]

you do err, probably because you are not learned of rightly dividing. The Body of Christ are not the overcomers, the overcomers are the Jews that overcome the tribulation. What makes sense is the twelve apostles and the twelve leaders of the twelve tribes of Israel.

[@amieor7141]

King James is the reliable Word of God NOT NLT, come out of ur slumber 🧠🤛

[@sarahmessex8231]

Amen 🙏🏻 ✝️❤️