TIG vs Stick vs MIG vs FCAW

Today we are testing 4 different welding processes to demonstrate the advantage of faster deposition rates. The test will consist of welding with each process (TIG, Stick, MIG and Flux Core) for 30 seconds in a T joint and examining each weld. We will look at bead appearance and travel speed in this video.
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[@TheZzziggy]

Since you are after a deposition speed, then you should run MIG in a spray transfer mode (if stock thickness allows which appears it does).

[@KingHalbatorix]

TheZzziggy and if the machine can handle it

[@rlund3]

Appreciate the comparison of the 4 welds.

[@stuartmacleod6213]

It would be amazing if you put the mm sizes in for us over the pond. 👌🏼 Also it would of been good to see a cut and etch on these processes. Brilliant video though.

[@robertshepherd995]

1/8 = 3.2mm .045 = 1.2mm 1/4 = 6mm

[@EasternElectric2012]

If you’re new to welding beware if you weld every day for the next 15 or 20 years you might lay down and be like this guy. Great video

[@Dr_Xyzt]

Cut and etch that exact plate! This was a good segment! Let's see which process gets out a lot of nice weld in the shortest period of time, with the least HAZ. Let's use the below scoring. (Weld sectional area*weld length)/(HAZ sectional area). To count the area, just tap the area with a sharpie. So the dots kinda touch. No need to over-complicate it. I wanna see how the flux core compares with the TIG, as crazy as that sounds. I'm guessing a short length of really nice weld might actually be comparable to a huge length of functional weld, since time was the same.

[@JoeKThePotter]

Great comparison video! Thanks!

[@AWDJRforYouTube]

Your demo does show the general deposition differences of SMAW, GTAW, and GMAW very well. Thanks for posting...LIKE IT Try running the 1/8 7018 on AC @ 140 amps using "THE DRAG TECHNIQUE" you will almost double your deposition rate. I just ran a 1/8 7024 @ 150 amps AC "DRAG" and made a 6" long 1/4 fillet weld in 30 seconds.

[@melgross]

Great comparison.

[@jetingkaon677]

So amazing work i love that welding works

[@kmccurdy21]

Great job. I’d love to see a comparison of deposition rate lbs/hr vs heat input KJ/in and how that effects shrinkage/warpage

[@andyb7754]

Great video. It would also be nice to see a cut & etch of each weld.

[@yourdrummer2034]

Another excellent video!

[@infiknives8905]

I just got excepted into the welding program at my school.

[@GraduatedIn]

Good for you! Could improve on a little English and grammar too.

[@user-tp8qn3uk9v]

*accepted

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Awesome man. Put in as much welding time as they will let you. Be the first one in and the last one out every day.

[@markfryer9880]

@@GodslilRedneck23 Burn rods or wire, not time shooting the breeze or using your phone.

[@spicychinchin6597]

Hell yeah man!

[@mister3722]

I'd love to see you do some tests comparing Lincoln, Miller, Esab, Kemppi and a handful of others, from testing performance to opening them up and checking out the quality of the internal components

[@joedving]

Great video, i would like to see a cut and etch on these.

[@Laura-wc5xt]

sounds like you transferd to axial spray transfer when you pumped up the fcaw-g...great information guys.....

[@maggitmaster]

Thanks,now it's that much harder to financially justify dusting off my tig torch. I would love to see your opinion on the Fronius transsteel 2200,it's short circuit mig process feels and sounds like you're running dual shield or spray transfer. I haven't used a lot of welders but I've got over 10 years mig experience and I've never seen or heard anything like it.

[@travistravis7190]

Please add a comparison next time for Gasless FCAW. For someone like myself who really would benefit the most out of these comparisons, I'm the type of backyard welder who possibly will never have Gas. I really would like to know how gasless compares to these.

[@henrymiller1820]

I really wish they could help me figure out how to get something out of the cheap 90 amp gasless welder I got. My shop doesn't have 220 so I don't really have other options. (other than oxy fuel, I need to find a gas supplier...)

[@amartinjoe]

amazing. thanks for posting. so helpful.

[@cheffsolo7739]

Great video !

[@GodslilRedneck23]

cheff Solo thanks for watching.

[@proteus2103]

To Patrick, pause a little on each side for 3f weaves with your same technique. Give it a try. It looks great already but could be improved.

[@spicychinchin6597]

Sweet, will do man, thanks for the advice

[@abonaif909]

great video, 👍🏼👌🏼

[@TheChakita44]

That fume extractor is NIIICE that plume is gonezo

[@Kevin.L_]

Nice comparison. Thanks.

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Kevin Lee thanks for the support.

[@Kevin.L_]

@@GodslilRedneck23 as long as you keep sharing the knowledge I'll be watching.

[@danielmartinez-cj5di]

I love welding mig welding with my everlast welder.

[@michelangelolavagno1963]

thanks for this video .. it's very useful ciao

[@Batangdisyerto]

Good welding bro😃👍👍👏👏

[@johncrea9395]

Bob, Just a quick question. For the occasion stick welder (ie, stick welds only a couple times a year), what single rod would would be good choice that is fairly forgiving and stores well? 6010 is not an option as i have the AHP AlphaTig machine John

[@photorocket4550]

So it looks like to me that each process has its specific use however some processes do overlap into other joint configuration and bond requirements. a simple question is is one process creating a stronger union than the other? Or does this come down to material and joint configuration? Thanks for another great video looking forward to The cut and etch follow-up video.

[@motarded4214]

+1 to this person's question.

[@rodrigues2011rodrigu]

Good question

[@Fosgen]

TIG makes strongest welds. Deepest penetration, and no porosity, means strenght, stick, MIG or fluxcore will never achieve. On the other hand, it is rarely needed. In manufacturing speed is important. Nothing beats MIG for the speed. If you want some tank to not leak, TIG is only answer.

[@Etol1963]

I love it. Nice comparison. But now cut and etch all those welds. And I agree with TheZzziggy, spray-arc should have been in there as well.

[@akinyinkaoluseyi7110]

Which of the welding methods can you recommend for welding of pressure vessel like propane storage tank

[@anotherrandomtexan25]

What lense do yall use to film??

[@mukeshpandit7924]

Very nice👌🏻

[@MrMedicals12]

I would like to know which company and system you would recommend for TIG welding on small parts for gunsmithing? Lincoln, Everlast, Miller? Thinking AC and DC to cover for Aluminum parts

[@jackripper7463]

Cordon de soldadura perfecto

[@workshoptazz7893]

Thank you for the comparison great video 👍👍

[@Tritchet_]

Hey nice video! I have aquestoin about your video. How do you film, when you weld like on the start of the video? I ask because we make videos for our apprentice boys in our company where we explain how to leran welding and more. But in our videos we can't capture the weld pool so awesome like you. Greetings from Switzerland!

[@justinmcwaters4962]

Bud we run dual shielded flux core in the field and do 600 inches per minute on a vertical. That wire will put out a lot of material. We can unload material, layout, fit, and weld a full 25 by 30 317 stainless tank in 8 days with our 6 man crew. If your machine will push 800 inches per minute, that wire will weld it in all positions. Just better learn how to weave. Stick is stringers. Mig and flux core is weave no matter the position. Set the machine right and you can put some beautiful texture to a vert with it. Only time you don't want a weave is if it's one pass. Always weave a cap to prevent undercut and the possibility of drooping.

[@tyyarborough670]

What’s the best welder a beginner should get for all welding

[@jahnkaplank8626]

this was the most fun a middle aged man could watch. So I guess you get asked this all the time, but I'm thinking about getting me a welder, I have the Lincoln K4498-1 in mind, just for projects around the house, so nothing strenuous, what do you think?

[@blom6287]

This helped a bit

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Isaac Orozco glad we could help.

[@caitlinleanna5028]

good video, wonder how they compared penetration wise?

[@Welddotcom]

We started to do the cut and etches but ran out of time. We will do a follow up

[@proteus2103]

The uh, flux core is probably the most depth, especially with .045 wire. But these processes are all about the same.

[@brianbanks3044]

i didn't look through all the comments but did you switch polarity on the welder when you did the flux core wire or is it automatic on that welder when you do the settings???

[@arthursmith5409]

Wow!

[@jacobflores7621]

Straight out of welding school I was handed a squirt gun. Mostly what I’ve done my entire career. I love GMAW and FCAW. Now I work on gravel trailers running a spool gun. Any tips on joining new aluminum to old aluminum?

[@robertshepherd995]

Make sure the old material is as clean as you can get it, and make sure they’re of a compatible composition.

[@clevelandmortician3887]

Sandblast the old shit then stainless wire brush on a grinder gun angle is everything to avoid soot

[@jacobflores7621]

I do clean it thoroughly. I even go as far as wire wheeling it one way to stop from getting it contaminated from going back and forth. I haven’t sandblasted it yet. I work with what I have at my job. Could it be that over years aluminum just turns to shit?

[@muqdadalneame6178]

U very very good

[@joshuaconine3236]

What about spray transfer

[@NSW]

You should do a comparison where you squeeze the max out every method. Fun video.

[@motoz3939]

Hey you have any videos coming up?

[@NSW]

@@motoz3939 As a matter of fact I'm working on 3 new videos. So in time there will be some more content 😊.

[@FernandoSilva-tk6rv]

Muito bom msm

[@georgiojansen7758]

which one is the strongest

[@edgarsuarez1374]

What is better ?

[@burakrs2281]

It depends on machine. I am using Kolarc Welding machines. They are cheap and high quality

[@laiky71]

how about cut and etch?

[@hellwithit]

For rod use the 505super missile weld all positions unlike 7024

[@user-vd7yx8kj2z]

good work $ 💙💙💙👌👌👌

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Thank you.

[@user-vd7yx8kj2z]

@@GodslilRedneck23 You're welcome brother

[@jacsonmei9264]

Toi muon mua mot may han da nang vay ban co the giup toi gioi thieu noi ban khong ban

[@mrdvcapj]

I have same hood...shit is amazing but a bit heavy

[@PDaddy0120]

Hell ya same I feel like I have Mike Tyson's neck

[@PsychoSainten]

where did he get that helmet?

[@ypaulbrown]

Great video..the gmaw was running at 250 Amps going with the formula 1" per amp with .045.... .035 would be 1.6" per amp and .030 would be 2" per amp. . . . . . . . . Hope someone can use this data . .. . . . . . . . .. . .

[@Ice_Industrial_Auto]

Thanks man, i was just about to ask what amperage..

Interesting comparison on speed, which one is stronger?

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Tony Papantoniou they’re all 70 series electrodes so they are all rated for 70,000lbs of tensile strength.

@@GodslilRedneck23 Thanks, but which welder welds best, is there a difference or do they all do the same penetration and produce the same strength weld?

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Tony Papantoniou penetration will vary depending on the amperage. There’s a lot of different settings you could use for each process but at the end of the day, the strength would be relatively close to each other. The main difference in the process you would use would be how much metal you need to deposit and how fast it needs to be done.

@@GodslilRedneck23 Many thanks.

[@adriansandor1733]

You could use 7024 instead of 7018 electrode. It would be comparable with dual shield wire.

[@chrisbookhamer5346]

As long as you are welding flat or horizontal.

[@jamessonger3]

This video with a cut and etch test just for shits would be bomb!!!

[@greenpoint6793]

German colleague here. I've got something I've always wondered about. In the US you all seem to use MIG (Metal Inert Gas) welding most of the time while I haven't really seen you use MAG (Metal Active Gas) welding. Here in Germany MAG welding is pretty much the standard and you only see MIG being used for aluminium and stainless (with the proper wire of course). Is there something I'm missing or do we just do it differently? Would love to hear from you

[@husq2100]

GreenPoint what is active gas?

[@Bettinasisrg]

He best thing was your leather beard flap on your helmet! Oh and the weld demo.

[@Jurgy777]

What equipment do you use to shield your camera?

[@hyperhektor7733]

AR500 plate

[@dougankrum3328]

I'd like to see a 'demo' of Metal-cored wire, it's supposed to really put down some material...

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Doug Ankrum it does indeed. We were just showing the difference between the most common processes.

[@dougankrum3328]

@@GodslilRedneck23Yes...I understand...I've worked as a welder in several fab and Machine shops….even with the advantages of Metal-Core...no one was willing to pay for it, or they didn't know what it was...

[@ra1zerr]

My Friend, with what name do I get the glass that has your welding mask? NAME OR NUMBER OF GLASS? Please!

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Elías Tappia it’s a Viking 3350

[@jaijamias4362]

Sir which one is easier to use, flux core or stick? Newbie here. Thanks

[@6980869]

I think most all would agree when i sY that flux core is easier, possibly/probably the easiest one of all. Just starting an arc w/stick, and getting it to NOT STICK to the workpiece, is fairly challenging, in and of itself, let alone keeping that contact-2-work distance at a consistent length, while it constantly burns away.

[@edgarsuarez1374]

Let's say I'm a newbie, but I'm 30 years old and I'm looking to become a professional in welding as quickly as possible and I want to choose the one with the most demand for jobs and pay better, what would you recommend me to learn?

[@hellwithit]

I prefer the Lincoln dual shield ( ultra core) over the Washington alloy

[@Welddotcom]

This was select arc 730.

[@hellwithit]

Weld.com seems to run decent. I never had any opportunity to use this brand. The Lincoln is a little pricey. I switched to the miller 350 P With pulse mode you really cut out switching between solid and flux core.

[@tommyobrien9480]

But where did the extra 50inchs/ minute go on the last run???

[@486kyle]

looks like a more convex crown to the weld

[@doubledown9333]

Stringers are winners:)

[@WITTFABRICATION]

Metal core, sub arc, and laser welding should show up in a sequel

[@v5u7sulh2]

(more) sub arc would be really cool, if possible.

[@25centsapop]

You were allowing a larger weld puddle after upping the volts. To make the same weld profile as the manufacturer's settings you probably would've been hauling butt

[@chrisanderson2787]

FCAW always deposits way more material than most. Thats the main reason ship yards, barge manufacturing facilities, and even some pipe roll out places use it.

[@proteus2103]

Ease of stick, speed of mig.

[@chrisanderson2787]

@@proteus2103 yes indeed ive used FCAW gasless and duel shield in .035, .045, amd 1/16

[@Welddotcom]

Exactly 👌

[@StreetBikeTakeoverYT]

Should’ve done a sketch and etch test afterwards

[@Welddotcom]

We started to but ran out of time. Well do a follow up and show cut and etches.

[@georgbennings8540]

mistrz

[@Wiking419]

No pulse MIG?

[@derekcollins1972]

Nope

[@sebastianochenkowski2665]

Where is Bob

[@mancubwelder7924]

Jason Jason

[@johnatencio7382]

there all arc welding

[@TheNothing40]

Why would you use inert gas on flux core wire? The whole point of a flux core wire is so you don't need shielding gas.

[@massimo79mmm]

Not exactly, some wires need gas.

[@richardhaughey3661]

But what about BOB

[@GodslilRedneck23]

Richard Haughey We’re doing content 3 days a week now. Bob is on Monday’s and Friday’s.

[@kf8575]

Good comparison, but that tig bead??..... use a 2.4mm (or 3/32 if you prefer imperial lol) or up the juice, and can run much faster than that. Also, with the stick testing, using an iron powder rod either 7024 or 7028 would give more deposit and faster travel speed, as would a proper full spray transfer with the bare wire mig 😄

[@joaosidonio7562]

That beard looks like a heat shield for the neck

[@user-hx6lp6db9u]

Аппарат кусков 300 наверное стоит...

[@danielbeaird6264]

doesn't seem fair to compare spray arc flux core to short circuit mig with 75/25 gas... use some 90/10 mig and spray arc it

[@ronaldorodriguez5999]

This is a really good esab welder commercial

[@ronaldorodriguez5999]

Im sold lol

[@massimo79mmm]

well, in mig vs fcaw, i think the test is wrong. with mig and fcaw the deposition rate are quite similar, so if in mig you set the same wire speed that fcaw, you had the same speed.

[@johntheaccountant5594]

Your welds are so neat compared to what my welder in Thai in Thailand is doing to my 1.5mm steel.

[@erickuranga3168]

Great video... and good recording we can see everything like a porn!! xD (joke).

[@raymondpunzalan2155]

Depend sa pulso..

[@chesidon3632]

That’s unfair dude

[@thirdgenfreak25]

Stop dragging your damn mig

[@GodslilRedneck23]

thirdgen freak the solid wire mig was pushed. Flux cored has shielded was dragged as it should be.