Tigerland: Training in the trenches and deserter scene

Bozz (Colin Farrell) once again challenges authority during an exercise. Sergeant Landers (Afemo Omilami) takes him aside to have a conversation with him.
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[@NACHOOFF]

The scene is sensational, finally the one who rebels against the system is not beaten as and yet the one who obeys is. As in real life.

[@Great_Sandwich]

The Drill Sergeant should have knocked that pri!ck the fk out.

[@ziddyf2635]

I like how the drill sergeant tried to rationalize things by saying what I'm teaching you might save your life while literally trying to force them into the path of oncoming machine gun fire against their better judgment That's insane

[@alexsoklakov7454]

My mother once met an old man, he was in the Finnish war in the Soviet army. They stormed the machine gun, all lay down, and then they were taken off one by one. He did not lie down and ran to the machine gun until he fell almost under the very parapet of the machine-gun trench. He survived. Sometimes you MUST run to the machine gun.

[@cat_city2009]

This is the "old army" that shell shocked boomer veterans pine for. Holy fuck.

[@paoloreyes5516]

They're objective was to flank. That's how it works.

[@McGillus]

It is also the right choice. If the machine gun keeps you suppressed and locked down the enemy can easily flank and kill you. They are blind in the trench. You got to keep moving even when every instict tells you to stay down and hide. War is insane. The fields of battle is no place for the living. All those traversing its barren wasteland consider themselves to be dead.

[@3fed506]

As someone who's in the infantry its better to push a muchine gun than to wait till its not shooting. They flank and prep to throw grenades while you wait for firing to stop. If anyhting throw smokes and plan an attack.

[@14arma]

Fun fact: The instructor in this movie is Forrest Gumps drill instructor as well.

[@tmwk__]

This movie has been out since 2000. And yet, it’s 2022 and I’m just NOW discovering it!? Bozz to me was way too smart for the Army. Most American soldiers knew by 1971 that Vietnam was a lost cause. You can feel their frustration.

[@TheKeyMaker]

Afghanistan

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

@@TheKeyMaker We would have won that war if it wasn't for Iraq and Pakistan.

[@etiennesickleton1483]

​​@@nocturnalrecluse1216The corporations don't wanna win, man. They just wanna drag it out forever and profit

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

@@etiennesickleton1483 Profit how?

[@YouStupidBunny]

I'm a retired Starfleet Captain and a veteran of the Klingon wars. War is hell.

[@user-dd8vo7or2d]

Bitch please I'm a yeoman serving with King Henry V 😂

[@YouStupidBunny]

@@user-dd8vo7or2d Thank you for your service.

[@josephmassaro]

All of you can hold my Absolut Watermelon Vodkarita. I was drafted into the Women's Auxiliary Balloon Corps. How do I get out of this chicken$hit outfit?

[@kevinmcnamara2082]

😂

[@viceadmiralq90]

I'm a sgt in john Connors techcom unit. You ladies think you know war? Try not pissing your pants when facing a hundred terminators.

[@UpfulWarrior]

You can easily spot the difference between the soldiers who are forced to go to war and the ones who are asking to go. These men were fighting for someone else.

[@UpfulWarrior]

@suiterd62 I agree, but I'm talking about a huge difference of getting drafted for WW2 and for Nam.

[@jeremycaylor9151]

@@UpfulWarrior Yeah WW2 was different, Pearl Harbor was a strike at the homeland so most Americans were eager to fight, even lying about their age to enlist. Vietnam, Korea, etc. were someone else's war so I can see why many didn't want to be there.

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

@@UpfulWarrior true

[@massivecumshot]

They were fighting for DuPont, Raytheon, Lockheed and Exxon, but the pay was shit so they opted out. If you join the US military, you're defending corporate profits, buddy. The government and the nation have nothing to do with it.

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

@@massivecumshot You can't tell the nam veteran boomers anything. Let them pass away thinking they actually did something good over there.

[@Capcoor]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but just for asking a sergeant what his first name was, let alone calling him by it, Bozz would’ve caught a beatdown.

[@TreySkidmore07]

Yea none of this shit woukd fly ESPECIALLY during Vietnam.

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Yeah, he would have been spitting teeth. Especially after his outburst.

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

I have known a few guys like Bozz in my lifetime. Often times, they do all they can to avoid confrontation. But, if backed into a corner, there is a good chance one of those NAZI sergeants would of been spitting teeth. Then what ? Is the sergeant going to rat him out because the sergeant picked a fight and lost ?

[@CaptainAhab117]

@@ThatGuy-mu2rr Lots of fake badasses go to boot camp talking about how they aren't going to take shit from the Drill Sergeant. Those guys are usually the first ones crying for their mommy on the floor.

[@stonem0013]

@@TreySkidmore07 I think the sergeant felt some sympathy for Bozz's political views/opposition to the war.

[@Gurkha73able]

Love im or hate im, Bozz is a born leader

[@Nydusurmainus]

@@rockwellrhodes7703 The issue in this case is he didn't know what he was talking about. If you get fixed in a position like that trench you can be flanked and wiped out. Small unit tactics would dictate exactly what the drill Sargent was screaming "find, fix, flank, finish". Straight from WW2 developed doctrine.

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

@@Nydusurmainus And we see how well that worked. Our guys got ground up by a bunch of lightly armed guys who fought the war as that sort of war should be fought - unconventional tactics. The leaders from the sergeants all the way up to the generals in the US military were IDIOTS.

[@DF-ss5ep]

@@Nydusurmainus The point of this scene isn't that he was right. Bozz was purposefully undermining the other guy's leadership because he knows he's not cut out for it. Later on in the movie he gets him out of the army.

[@WPGJetsFan4Life]

Wonder if Bozz went through training the same time as Gump? Same DS, it's a possibility....

[@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074]

Maybe that’s who Forrest was looking for when he started running.

[@fatty3383]

Nah tigerlands timeline starts in 1971 I think..forest gumps is the mid to late 60s.

[@tomservo5347]

Someone like Bozz Special Forces would have loved to recruit. Self-initiative and thinking outside the box.

[@jdfields711]

Not quite, those are positives but Bozz throughout the movie was shown to have disciplinary issues and went AWOL a few times, that would have made him a serious liability in spec ops

[@tomservo5347]

@@jdfields711 Perhaps. But imagine if the Green Berets had recruited him and placed him in a Montagnard village helping them. SF has ways of dealing with loose cannons.

[@jdfields711]

@@tomservo5347 He could barley scamper by just as a rifleman, trouble is honestly I think Bozz is just too smart for his own good. He knowns Vietnam is a lost cause and it's become just a meat grinder for military personnel at that point. So why bother? With that mindset its hard to imagine he would be able to pass the physical requirements for the A-teams or even pass the psych evaluations.

[@JohnDoe69986]

@@jdfields711 The trip to Da Nang takes about ninety minutes and the sound inside the bird, limits the talking. I enjoy the time to think. As a group, Special Forces could exist as the mobile insane asylum for the army. It is chock full of type-A personalities with anger issues, ex-wives, and a predilection for violence. There also is a certain class of us that have been here for too long. These men have figured out how to manipulate the manpower shortages and the reluctance of the mentally balanced to jump into projects that involve signing a suicide pact as a procedure for acceptance. They move from project to project with no break other than a thirty-day extension leave, and then strap on their gonads for another tour. If you show up at some A camp, or the Mike Force or some other acronym, they are always glad to have fresh meat. By the time you have been reported as AWOL from the shipping depot, you are too valuable and essential to the mission to be released. Saigon will forgive almost any sin as long as you are willing to do the work.

[@jdfields711]

@@JohnDoe69986 I read that book too...I think you had to be a Lil nuts to run with a SOG recon outfit.

[@david-468]

Conscripts/draftees, aka men who did not sign up, by those who did nearly 2 decades prior

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

Forced to fight in a war that was there to make rich people richer, all the while giving them a false story of fighting communism. Those sergeants were and still are NOTHING. They were no different than Hitlers SS.

[@david-468]

@@ThatGuy-mu2rr yes and no, i see what you mean with the socialist military and nation we were becoming similar to Germany and the ussr, after ww2 I’d say most wars have been money wars, I personally think if we had any other president besides the overrated fdr, we would’ve been more prepared for war against the Japanese and stayed neutral in Europe and definitely not have done the “lend lease deal” that extended the ussr for At least 5 years of existence, as we supplied them tanks,cars,food, medical supplies, and then said “you don’t owe us” I personally believe Germany and ussr would then either tear each other apart or a small stalemate, their would still be the Korean War and also Vietnamese war would happen in the 50’s but it would be vichi French then German forces and sv against nva, but I think these wars with nuclear capabilities would tear the ussr and Germany apart economically and both would’ve ended in the 60’s maybe 70’s

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

@@david-468 Great analysis. It's a relief to see another commenter on this thread that sees all of this for what it really is instead of flag waving and chest pounding about a war that clearly was only started to make the rich yet even more rich.

[@david-468]

@@ThatGuy-mu2rr I still think America has the best core/original values and think the constitution in its unaltered form is one of the best governing systems so in that way I’m a “flag waving patriotic American” however not many places in the u.s. go by those values anymore

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

@@david-468 I am a Constitutional purest. And I have enough insight to know we are entering the age of consequences.

[@Helllow1012]

One of the best scenes in this entire movie

[@ZOEPATTIE]

Great film 🎥 love colin ❤great actor 💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@josephgriffin2388]

Yep, that's why I joined the Navy instead.

[@Coffeybean117]

Anchors away my boy, anchors away

[@Nugire]

Komm zur Marine, komm zur Marine. Hier gibts nur Männer, dafür reichlich Vaseline....

[@prilmachannel5679]

Wise choice... better than what i picked

[@bigbitehood1353]

Poosay

[@arizonaranger527]

Wouldn’t drowning suck more than being blown up ?

[@SopranoMIVLN]

he say down they got up fast

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Marine Soldier

[@rzerizrz]

that beep is annoying..

[@khsmediacorner0524]

As annoying as babies crying and Jennifer Tilly's voice, eh?

[@regesterw]

First name is Sgt. !!!

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

Abuse isn't going to make them better soldiers. Half of these men are conscripts and don't even want to be there. The top brass should be working with them, not forcing it.

[@phoenixreborn3289]

The U.S. never have conscripts They're draftees and volunteers

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

@@phoenixreborn3289Draftee's, AKA, CONSCRIPTS.

[@phoenixreborn3289]

@@nocturnalrecluse1216 two whole different words with the same meaning those fuckers lied to me

[@worstchoresmadesimple6259]

most conscripts weren't rich kids, or college students. The Vietnam war would be known for the casual opt out for many of those not in the blue working class. It's also ironic the Vietnamese called it the American War when nothing about it was representative of all American citizens.

[@capcom7794]

@@phoenixreborn3289 you do remember if you got in trouble in the u.s you could either join the military or prison. so the fact the military is willing to take criminals before they go to the pen is called conscripting.

[@maryzandoval6107]

They should make a new Tigerland movie with the same script, before it's the end of the world 

[@ThatGuy-mu2rr]

Having to wrangle with a bunch of draftees being sent into a pointless BS war……

[@johnrobinson1762]

Those woods are satan's discharge... believe me.

[@maxsparks5183]

I think them boys might be ripe for some anger management counseling.

[@ConniHutton]

We my nieghbors n i had colin marathon yesterday. This freaking film blew me away??? Omg. Its on the top of my fav movies at all time. Watched it at 10 pm, again at 230 am and again in the late morning. Boz was just so cool, and colin did a great great job. Iloved cole hauser in this, paxton, sgt Cota they should have killed Wilson that psychopath. What a fantastic movie. SHUMACKER picked it right w colin, great freaking job. Course hes a the point he can do anything. Picks those films nobody wants and makes the miraculous, hes just getting better n better. He took the advice of al pacino, "not to follow the money, go where it feels right in someoneone elses shoes. And he is a great great methid actor as opposed to just memorizing lines and pretending to be somebody. Thats why he was quotes saying no more miami vices, or swats, he want deeper. And hes doing it. Then we watched intermission, it was comedic, loved, the guy that played john, freaking adorable. Those irish they got som÷hng going on. For sure. Great marathon. ....

[@tightlaser]

Least he did`nt act like Ted Nugent and shit his pants

[@johnsheetz6639]

Ezra sounds just like Samuel

[@williammccormick966]

FILMED CAMP BLANDING FLA NEADR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AREA

[@larryknight4221]

Been there ft polk

[@phoenixreborn3289]

The abuse is to create a stressful environment forcing them to adapt and act

[@Kokoda144]

that didn't work, the US lost

[@phoenixreborn3289]

@@Kokoda144 Kinda irrelevant since it was used from the start of U.S. history.

[@roryr8]

@@phoenixreborn3289 Shit, the US has lost more wars than it's won and abuse doesn't make good soldiers

[@phoenixreborn3289]

@@roryr8 I don't think you understand what was said. It's a tactic used by many nations. Winning or losing Doesn't matter. It's a training thing that's all.

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

@@Kokoda144 I did work. Had nothing to do with the War being lost.

[@HERCZEG198]

It would be good if another Tigerland movie was made, with the same scripts but with other young actors, hopefully there is a producer who will make a new Tigerland movie

[@eligioleonardopessoa365]

I don't understand why Bozz tells everyone to stay down at 1:11, when the machine gun fire is off. What is the point of this particular segment, other than to show him taking control, and Miter losing it?

[@chanchaniceman]

It’s mostly because Bozz is gonna do whatever he can to get his superiors undermined plus there’s a huge divide in that unit between Bozz and Miter

[@raj.k3996]

Best thing about this clip is beep .... every fucking dialogue have beep beep beep

[@khsmediacorner0524]

Like a lot of reality TV shows

[@mrbuck5059]

Tigerland is about fighting tigers underwater. You fight tigers underwater so good that they turn into tigerskin underwear. This is why tigers went to the brink of extinction. Hi tiger bye tiger a tiger ahhhhh..tiger fckn tiger...

[@mrmuffinz126]

based schizopost

[@kellymillward6375]

I always think of lee ermey Spelt it wrong. Is Colin Farrell christ? Is he the devil? Someone needs to write their doctorates thesis on this movie. Especially on the butchers son, Clifton Collins. I would like to see this scene played by women; all unknowns, mainly.

[@MaxCruise73]

Why is having palsy or Parkinson's a prerequisite to be a cameraman?? Watch film footage from combat cameramen during combat. Far steadier.

[@ConniHutton]

Interested in daredevil....but idk? Will i like it? Oh stupid us, rented the " imaginariun of Dr Pharrususs?? All of us knowing it was one of colins movies...time past, wheres colin? Its freakin heath ledger...lolol so funny, we turned i off.

[@thickymcghee7681]

I am a White USMC vet and why someone would willingly go to fight to make us White people richer is beyond me, but don't stop on my account. Keep enlisting. Haha.

[@xanadu896]

Bro what are you talking about? Someone who plumbs for a living isn't making more money because people chose to serve.

[@mericairon1909]

It’s not the whites getting richer.. it’s the little hat banker tribe

[@4_vaccuum_salesman_of_marr944]

I'm white and poor.

[@flailingelbows7073]

Yeah I’m sure you are. Sounds like a whole story of BS right there to me buddy

[@Teekond]

Think life is going to get better if USA gives up it's position to Communist Party of China and their allies?