Why you should pick Obersoldaten or Fallschirmjäger - What's the Difference?

A guide for Company of Heroes 2 going in depth as to why you might select one of these squads over the other
00:00 Intro
00:16 Firepower Comparison at different ranges
01:13 Fallschirmjäger Camouflage
04:22 Obersoldaten Abilities
07:00 Unit Timings
08:02 Fallschirmjäger vs Allied Squads at 9 mins
09:58 Different Build Orders
11:22 Weapon Transfer Mechanic
12:26 Reinforcement Cost
12:58 Ease of Use
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[@tightropegaming]

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[@beefyblom]

I prefer Fallschirms because I generally like doing sneaky commando maneuvers, and the mobile reinforcement while airborne assault is active can be very convenient to have. I usually play 2v2s, so I usually get to use late-game abilities more.

[@theotv5522]

Fallschirms are a very micro-intensive unit as far as I've seen, high risk high reward. Which is why Ober is more popular, since once late game it's very hard to keep track of every unit you has. 1 turn away and you lost your most expensive infantry unit.

[@theotv5522]

@@learningthroughpain.7215 yeah Ober has more durability than Falls. It’s a trade off.

[@strafniki1080]

What is falschirm ussr counter

[@cthulhu666pl]

One minor thing worth adding is that you can reinforce Fallschirmjäger squads on the field when skill planes are up.

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[@Brlitzkreig]

Wow, I wasn't expecting such good quality content. This video took a lot of work

[@oldetyme4289]

great analysis; answering the most important questions with the required attention to detail and context

[@neel994000]

Good video great effort. Your hard work is evident.

[@caesar_s7343]

Cool video, hope you do keep doing more like this. Would have liked to see how valiant assault plays into the equation since its a part of the fallschirm commander toolkit.

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[@exigm]

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[@C3WhiteRose]

I play with friends mostly 3v3. And I prefer Fall - They come at 5min. Compare to Ober that come at 8min that can be delayed if you use Light vehicles. Thats enough time for Fall to gain vet 2-3 over fresh Ober. - I prefer to use Camo units for secret sight for info (sight is the most important for me) and surprise flanking, or just wait and kill retreating units - In desperate time, I can drop Fall to Vic point, or instant reinforce my attack (by dropping them from behind the frontline), with ability they can reinforce in middle of the battle field. - For 3v3 its easy to see Shock/Ranger/AssTommy blob. They can easily pass by Ober line by a smoke grenade (especially Shock), and Ober only do great at long range. For Fall, they certainly out perform any close range infantry, but the close they get, the more damage Fall input, making any close range assault is a lose-lose situation. - With camo, I can sneaky throw a blend grenade on Ranger zook blob to slow them down and my friend throw double Werfer at them, impossible to retreat. Ober hardly do this since they have to get close, which will reduce their damage. Fall's utility is far beyond Ober.

[@eliahelfenbein4731]

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[@MaxCommander]

Very helpful video, thank you a lot.

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[@saltbottle7765]

great video tightrope was always wondering which unit had the edge over the other

[@AR-ly7yt]

Awesome thanks

[@daemonlordduffy]

This format is great. Please make a video comparing guards and penals

[@yeetadog]

teaching me a lot of cool things i never woulda known, wish i discovered this channel sooner

[@nessesseda]

That was really useful. Thank you very much.

[@BenGrem917]

Lovely analysis!

[@GiggleBlizzard]

S tier video, informative and entertaining!

[@Hansiwansi]

Give the Obersoldaten an STG44nightvision, theyre a nightmare for any enemy infantry! Thats what I do! They crush any infantry in seconds!

[@panzerabteilung]

mg34 still better

[@xScarlettwolfx]

i like to use both obers for fighting head on and falls for getting behind there lines to take mgs and AT out and capping points to cut off there supply's

[@albertosara416]

oh man when all your squads ran into the booby trap, that was golden 😂

[@VonManteuffeI]

Great video! You also have to add the fact that the Obersoldaten MG34 has Focus Fire, the FG42 not. So models will drop even more quickly againsed Obers than Falls. Most of the time enemies engaging Falls will drop HPs by 50% but no single model dies. On the other hand you are losing ~2 Falls. Thats so frustrating and manpower bleeding...

[@user-cl4kc4st7z]

How interesting 🧐🧐🧐🧐🍽️🍽️🍽️ Can you tell us more (specific of aiming for different LMGs)? Or, at least, where can we get such information?

[@asmbeanman]

I like to field at least 1 Fallschirmjäger. The cloak ability and the close range fire power makes them great for ambushes.

[@soerenkepler]

Great analysis - id be curious to also know if you should build these elite units, even if you dont have munis to instantly upgrade their weapons….?

[@TheTurbanatore]

Nice video bro

[@dominikcar5570]

One should also take into account the fact that 90% of combat starts at long range. Hence why obers are most likely the best infantry in the game, by far. By the time that close-med range infantry close in, they will already lose 2-3 models

[@Markmen-cw8dj]

But the Falls can stay in cover, close range and first strike is devastating to any infantry squad

[@sergiofranco6088]

​@@Markmen-cw8dj Falls are way better than ober if you know how to play them. It shouldn't even be a debate

[@Markmen-cw8dj]

@@sergiofranco6088 tell that to this dominik guy

[@sergiofranco6088]

@@Markmen-cw8dj Oh my bad, i taught i was replying to him 🤣

[@Markmen-cw8dj]

I enjoy using the Falls more than the Obers because of their camo and forst strike ability which is absolutely lethal against basically any infantry that gets close

[@soczystytelewizor7132]

When I play close combat maps and 1v1/2v2 I usually take Fallschirmjager commander and use 2-3 Volks with STGs and 2-3 Falls and don't build Obers at all, when I play 4v4 or 3v3, usually on larger maps with tons of arty that can easily wipe 4-men squad I usually go for the Panzerfusiller commander and I go 2-3 Volks with AKs as stormtroopers and 2-3 Panzerfusillers as longrange/AT support (I rarely build the shrecks though...) and 1 Ober squad with LMG as support. Panzerfusillers also give access to Tigers or Konigtigers(or Jagdpanzer, I dont remember) which is better in longer 3v3/4v4 games.

[@deathkorpsgrenadier2419]

I like using FSJ like a sort of CQC squad, due to their ludicrous rate of fire. The expected engagement with a LGF commander for OKW, is to use sturmpioneers to flank a position, and have a hidden FSJ squad somewhere. If you expose your Sturms in another engagement, though, the enemy tends to assume you don't have a flanking maneuver incoming, and focus on the frontline conflict. The bundled grenade is what separates the Sturms from the FSJ here, as dropping a bundled from FOW and THEN flank, can make a huge difference. Then again, I don't like following build orders, so my build usually includes Obers AND FSJ. Volks take the brunt of the attack, Obers deal damage from the back, Sturms wander around picking off separated squads or team weapons, and FSJ try to sneak behind enemy lines to bundle and wipe unsuspecting or retreating units.

[@fritzx1943]

personally i prefer the fallschirmjagers more solely for the fact that the fg42 is both one of the coolest and most bizarre gun of ww2 with the whole lmg sniper assault rifle mix

[@Brlitzkreig]

Great narration. I love the Boer accent

[@roys.1889]

When I usually play with friends I find that I rarely go for either the Falls or the Obers because by the time I can start building them I'd either have Volksgrenadiers at Vet 2-3 that are capable of carrying the game for me, or I'd be in a moderate to severe manpower deficit which means I'd rather spend MP reinforcing my depleted Volks squads. Then again I love playing very aggressively in the early game, so my army comps are either heavily in favor of just Volks/Sturmpios or a Volks/Sturmpio/PFusilier mix.

[@MasterSteve_117]

Can you also do these statistic videos with allied units? Would really like to see some statistics about bar vs m1919 lmg

[@Batman19203]

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[@Brandon-io9yj]

I love these videos

[@tempi7021]

really nice video

[@ksalphalcsihp1252]

So, I realize there's a lot of update which i missed because I played on CRACKED version. Since Fallschirmjager started with all troops armed FG42. So, that's why they're overpower and OKW is the most feared faction...

[@VinokDesign]

and how about the valiant assault combined with fals? love to blob them with 3. and then everytime wipe like 3-4 of the enemy

[@Faad3e]

fantastic* video

[@poingpoing11]

5 Volk early replacing Volk losses with Obers later in the game 3v3 and 4v4. If you get a retreat out of an enemy, Obers are good at pressuring teamweapons allowing a push with armor. And they are good at defending an enemy push into your lines. Cant expect them to take on a ton of sections/guards/paras with the Volk support though. Will happily build Obers into Penals, and USF without Paras. Missing out on too much good stuff with Fall commander in teamgames its a no go for me.

[@dustinyikes612]

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[@arminblock8934]

Can you make a video about the differenz of Volksgrenadiere with and without STG44

[@NimaShariatzadeh]

Thanks for the video. I do have a question, what's the differences between the LMG Obers and STG Night Vision Obers?

[@Rebaronone]

STG upgrade can detect cloacked enemies from afar and ignores cover bonuses. Also LMG is effective at long range while Stg is best at mid\close range.

[@vgmackan]

Look at the stats. In addition to that infrared STGs have 0.9 acc vs all cover vs the normal 0.5 and reveal hidden units within 20 range. In short STGs is more of a short-medium range weapon and probably the best cover to cover unit in the game at short-medium range. LMG omers works good even if you just a-mobe them. STG needs more micro and decision-making to make good use of them. A bit more situational. What you choose also depends on the map and what type of units the opponent have.

[@funbun420]

What about stg obers vs falls? Which one is better?

[@lGuzikl]

Still hoping for in depth comparison of mg34 and IR stg44's

[@mitzuriki]

Its Really shame the suppression ability gets deactivate when you're switching target,in COH1 the BARs suppression ability doesn't do that,which is really nice! however,it costs 40 munis

[@motleyzadot6867]

Usually how many squads of elite infantry is good?

[@ar-rys6330]

I kinda miss faus on Falls. So good against ambulance in team games.

[@headphonesz6527]

Obers vet 3 with infrared stg 44's melt EVERYTHING

[@WeekendProducer]

Both units, but especially Fallschirmjägers, belong more to might and magic game than the COH... To have some challenge I play axis only when I'm drunk enough ;)

[@motleyzadot6867]

How do you record the units only for your intro?

[@user-tl4pq7qr1c]

You must be the Dr. from COH2 GRADUATED SCHOOL

[@liquidsilver6]

Isn't it unfair to compare the Fallschirms with Obers 1v1? I find the best use of Fallschirms is in a supportive role - they are the glass cannon that I keep behind my volks, which soak up the damage while the Fallschirms dish it out. When used like this (paired with a volks), they can form a very formidible force. However Obers are tough enough to be a force on their own.

[@tedarcher9120]

What about falls vs paratroopers?

[@JaHail-oy6vq]

2:30 you forgot the best camouflauge unit Stormtrooper.

[@tainguyen-lt4gd]

How about ober with stg ?

[@AkiZukiLenn]

Falls is the only unit that worth picking that doctrine imo , so might as well not picking the doctrine if you are not going for falls .

[@bonexyoni4065]

so first strong is ?

[@rainbowstarunicornprincess4391]

Falls for if your aggression pays off in early game, obers when youre defensive

[@Benetkabc2nd]

Both are not taken prisoner after Ardenness Incident

[@ksalphalcsihp1252]

Suppressive fire is now ACTIVE ability, instead passive...

[@joepetto9488]

Falls do slightly more damage at long range.

[@Rjatmarlow]

Falls to weak for their prcietag and abiltys and obers come way to late....compard to the penals which arrive often the battlefield very early

[@friendbubble8415]

10:50 schwereS HQ. Love u TR

[@Pommernquelle]

"Boomer APM Award" had me chuckling 😆

[@rayjin7448]

Imagine fallschirmjäger obersoldaten combo.

[@beier321]

more analysis videos please. its very useful and much more preferable to watch than recasts

[@kobal6525]

It also take much more time to make these lol

[@battlefieldace5400]

No way. I play falshimjeagers all the time. I usually have 4 that are upgraded with 4 fg42. And they will destroy any inf, even including obersodaten. They even kill machine guns faster than any inf.

[@VagTechKarl]

Its a shame they took the faust away from the falls, really made them viable. I almost never use them anymore. Also, thank you for the video, I love the unit vs unit comparisons.

[@kobal6525]

Made them broken you mean

[@user-cl4kc4st7z]

3:34 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@substancehg1088]

As much I like your videos, thank you! Again, it’s proves only one thing, falls and obers trash. Because obers end up fighting vet 3 units and you have to baby sit obers and falls to get vet them up. And almost any Allied nade wipes 4 man squad.Allies unit need to lose a model or reduce health. Only way to balance. Falls and obers sound good in paper but that are garbage. 4v4 out of balance because someone just will blob and no unit can deal with it.

[@Marci-Ana-GMM]

Beacause obersoldaten are veteran commandos and fallshirmjager are elite soldiers.

[@snakeylps]

Boomer apm award should be given out more often

[@lllKRENDELLLlll]

As it really was. The paratroopers (Fallschirmjäger) of nazi Germany, who were elite soldiers due to their high level of training and armed with FG-42 with a ZF-4 sight, objectively had an advantage over any kind of rifle, especially at long range because their FG-42 rifles had good aiming accuracy when shooting at long distances, especially with the use of a ZF-4 sight + 7.92x57 machine gun caliber did not leave a chance to the enemy. And since the FG-42 could fire in bursts, the paratroopers could effectively fight at close ranges. But because of the balance of the online game, we see very controversial decisions and their outcome..

[@peterhurst4717]

The thing to take away from this : Soviet infantry op

[@samwu1836]

Why hasn't the Vet2 moving cloak been fixed? They strip away 0cp flares and Goliaths from the Overwatch commander, but won't give us proper Falls vet. That aside, Fallschirmjager also have significantly longer REINFORCE times. So if you play a game centred on elite troops, you'll lose due to bleed and map control, whereas the Obers will retain map control at the cost of bleed. That said, I've always found Falls to be really hit or miss. They're way too inconsistent due to a combination of enemy build orders, but also RNG. Some games, they'll be cleaned up by enemy squads at medium range, while in other games, the same enemy squads get wrecked. But overall, if played well to the map, Falls are really good at garrison play. Building a trench at an enemy choke point, or putting the Falls in houses can often frustrate your opponent.

[@pyreotusbark8954]

Both squads are way too squishy for current 2v2 meta in my opinion, extremely easy to wipe with the current roster of explosives available to the allies, especially the Americans

[@kampfer91]

" Effective at all range " is a lie....

[@tamakaze712]

Spam pioneers

[@alfiethecat5309]

it also shows how advance and over powered these armies in late game :/

[@beauonpc]

Dude shocks come at 2 CP, don’t have a muni cost and can 1v3 volks. What are you even talking about?!

[@JohnBigby]

Both obers and falls are nothing but meme in team games , not use falls usually if am not fckn around and obers just never, You just lose ur inf mostly too allied aoe anyway getting sturmpio for artificial push with armor more viable at late game besides they have repair... Their performance are just nothing special against vetted cheaper terminator allied inf squads... Obers suppression also useless which ranger can nuke with its "artillery nuke grenade" to force obers to move anyway... in 1v1 like all game balance workings they can be decent but in team games mostly redundant and easly to counter against with their high price...Also obers coming toooo fckn late....