TikTok Libertarians Are NOT Alright...

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Today we are looking at an Ancap Tiktoker who unironically identifies as a "Neo-Reactionary"
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Edited by: Wargur ( / archb98 )
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[@scoobyskreep3518]

iq in the bio goes even harder than height in the bio

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) ratio

[@fanieldox]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) You have 53 comments on this channel

[@justified_wrath_21]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) ratio + you’re white + you never fell up so you can fell off.

[@joyybugg]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) ok fascist loli waifu

[@BreezyBulldog]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) don’t think some creep who has a list of “top hentai” is in a position to talk shit. Also anime profile? You automatically don’t get an opinion on this matter.

[@garymcpake1136]

You hate to see men who discovered Ben Shapiro in 2016, made "facts don't care about your feelings" their whole personalities and then just never grew out of it. It's scary, because I was at the edge of that pipeline too, as I'm sure many others here were

[@The_Monteiro91]

I went down that line, thankfully I got out of it.

[@Noone-rl8db]

What was that like? The closest i got to that was Jaclyn Glen and edgy athiest youtube

[@studio3js196]

The thing is that “facts over feelings” isn’t a bad thing. Many of us, if not most, hold positions such as being pro-Union, pro socialized healthcare, etc., through facts presented to us. It’s just that their “facts” are not supported by any empirical data, nor do they care to mention ANY context.

[@BarnacleBoy42069]

I was in that pipeline too but then I started asking questions and, well, that was the end of that lol

[@garymcpake1136]

@@Noone-rl8db My experience was this: I found Shabibo through, of course, sjw owned compilations (that got recommended to me out of nowhere, thanks youtube!) but after a short time I realised he wasn't nearly as entertaining or intelligent as those videos made him out to be. Still, even in that short time I watched him, I became really transphobic, because his commentary was my first exposure to trans issues. It took a while for me to come round on trans issues, even after I stopped watching him, which I'm ashamed of. That's why I feel so sad seeing these people who never moved on from that 2016 era.

[@badman477]

“Logically, Just because something affects you doesn’t mean you should have a say in it” lmaooo what

[@specialknees6798]

Technically that’s true given the ought/is problem, but literally everyone including that guy makes a priori ought claims. Still, if you assume that 1. You should have a say in decisions that directly impact your well being 2. The operations of the business you work at directly impact your well being 3. You should have a say in the operations of your business. In this sense it is logical

[@estudos6156]

🤓Soyservative: -He said “Logically” that means he is telling the truth, he is a “facts and logic” guy

[@themangoman9315]

Conservatives try not to misuse the word logic challenge

[@johnkrame1763]

@@estudos6156 Your brain is made of shit if you can't comprehend a simple sentence.

[@Slavaisusukhrystu]

They’re not even conservative…

[@Patterrz]

there's no way this dude has his IQ in his bio, this can't be real

[@righteyeblind23666]

I really hope all of you understand the irony

[@feelingevaporated2912]

@@righteyeblind23666 I know my IQ is substantially higher than his, and this is the first time I’ve ever brought it up online because I’m not a weirdo

[@softpetal]

hes def trolling or lying

[@emac7050]

It’s a troll but it’s not even a funny one

[@softpetal]

@@emac7050 yeah fr

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

In an AnCap dystopia that this dude wants, brute force would beat out 130 IQ easy.

[@imaresurcher]

naw bruh u see there would be many competing heavily armed defense agencies u can pay to protect u and ofc the biggest one run by jeff bezos will not conquer and enslave u because... ... uhm... uhhhh.... ............ free market?

[@Armendicus]

@@imaresurcher lol!!!

[@kai-vp8mz]

Bruh what you think that a construction worker would get paid more than an engineer in an ancap society💀

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@kai-vp8mz nah what he is saying is that the construction worker will just take his money who is going to stop him.

[@tonyzan5268]

It will basically be billionaires that buy private armies that run things

[@Malignantt1]

The biggest scam in America is having to pay for your own job training.

[@slayeralmighty]

You get paid full rate in Australia for job training

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@slayeralmighty Another point for Australia 🇦🇺 💯

[@reservoirfrogs4280]

Brit here. YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN JOB TRAINING IN THE STATES??? That is so so fucked

[@jeremiahbennett3004]

@@reservoirfrogs4280 I don't think so for all jobs, but maybe some really shitty businesses do it, but most don't have to pay I think it

[@SpaceRanger187]

@@jeremiahbennett3004 Not all i got paid over time,plus mileage for driving and $125 per diem and they paid for my hotel room..ill take job training any day

[@XerxesZangeneh]

I never knew librarians would be so angry

[@BAMFlicous]

You ever use your voice above 5 decibels in a library?

[@SpoilerAlert__]

Wym they’re the ones that start raging at you for dropping a pen in the library

[@EliaFlowers]

Ever returned a book late?

[@PittsburghSonido]

@@BAMFlicous This is a perfect reply

[@samwood917]

My school's library person (he's not even a librarian, he just regulates students, doesn't do anything with the books) freaks the fuck out if you don't push in your chair, and he gets super passive aggressive and petty about it.

[@oanonimogreg6487]

"People who boast about their IQs are stupid" -Stephen Hawking literally describing the first guy.

[@Tom-it6gi]

I think he called them losers, not stupid. Though both are true of these people.

[@antisocialal4799]

Exactly! I don’t see how his IQ affects his takes? You can still be hella dumb and have a genius IQ lol.

[@maximedamour5192]

Dude is a "liberatarian" and his main argument is "making decisions was not made for you." 🤔

[@DeathnoteBB]

Libertarians like this are just authoritarians in a mask lol

[@tylerwhaley4872]

@@DeathnoteBB masks is big guhment 😡😡😡

[@donald347]

Actually it’s that you should spend your own money yourself and mind your business

[@gregs9210]

he's not a libertarian, he's a fascist, and he'll block you for pointing that out on his page lol

[@ExPwner]

@@gregs9210 lie

[@Colin-kh6kp]

How can people not understand that in a completely unfettered capitalist society, corporations would own everything, instead of just most things…

[@Quetzocotol]

I think these people must love gambling, because they really believe they're going to end up as the 1% of owners and not the 99% of corporate slaves

[@Jon_EL]

@@Quetzocotol they all think they are down on their luck billionaires

[@aa69638]

@@Jon_EL or maybe they arent just surrounded by broke people that complain about being broke and want the world to bend to not make them broke anymore

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@aa69638 😂🤣

[@Jon_EL]

@@aa69638 so not being broke means you want Bill Gates to own your life and control everything you can and cant do…weird

[@Laakien]

Like I've always said about my college economics classes (I got a minor), ECON 101 is "this is how capitalism should work"and ECON 102 and above is "this is why it doesn't"

[@Laakien]

Also I love his "Democracy is bad because voters are irrational " yet all his assumptions are based on people being rational economic actors. Turns out, spoiler, they aren't

[@righteyeblind23666]

College econ courses and macro courses are Keynesian brainwashing. Taking a college econ course is like taking a highschool algebra course, after taking it you are nowhere near educated enough in various schools of economics & economic theory.

[@mrobject9113]

Hey man, we can also use "Facts don't care about your feelings", I regularly tell anti-vaxxers this fact.

[@ALEJANDR-bt6on]

@@righteyeblind23666 As a freshman in college taking macroeconomics, I can say that you are 100% right on it being a Keynes circlejerk

[@Laakien]

@@righteyeblind23666 they're an OK introduction, they get more involved in the optional classes, but I 100 percent agree Keynes is baked into the cake of most ECON courses, I think there's decent reason for that, I don't expect them to be quoting Marx and Smith is a little outdated, but hey it's better than Chicago school shit lol

[@GreyeHazel]

I'll never understand the mindset of "I don't want a say in anything and I like being exploited by my employer and they should actually make working conditions worse because I'm too comfortable and I just think companies should have literally all the money on Earth"

[@save_bandit]

it’s a boot licking addiction

[@IshtarNike]

These people are the “temporarily embarrassed millionaires”. They assume that in a few years, give or take, they’ll be the ones on top. Or, even more pathetically, they blame the current system for why they haven’t become the next Elon Musk, but under anarcho-capitalism of course they’d have achieved that by now. It’s the government’s fault for taking 1/10 th of a percent of their money in welfare payments.

[@grass7864]

His father owns a successful company, duh. He's arguing for YOUR enslavement, not his own.

[@malum9478]

well the thing is that they don't want to be the exploited. they fantasize about being the exploitER. what they don't get is that they're a million times more likely to die a slave than to get anywhere near being a king in ancapistan. not that that should be the driving factor why they believe what they believe but w/e.

[@hawaiianrobot]

because they think they'll be the elon musk not the factory worker

[@bludwyrm561]

Tik tok is a terrible place to "debate" anything. It's like arguing with your television.

[@talyahr3302]

😂😂

[@PlatinumAltaria]

"Debate" isn't even a valid way of determining truth, which is why it isn't used as one by any honest person.

[@Defenestrationed]

I mean that's just been our politics for the past 40 years - getting mad at the TV is all we got

[@plumetheum7017]

@@PlatinumAltaria Debates are rarely a productive activity. Those going into debates are looking for a fight above all else. Unless you're walking away from a debate with some new theory, or literature, you wasted your time.

[@eges72]

The fact that """"CCP-owned"""" TikTok is tolerating fascists like these people is insane. I think they should take action and take their "free speech" a.k.a supporting violence against good-willed people away from them

[@alphabrother6823]

I love how this starts off with the question “why do we love democracy and freedom but not in the workplace?” and this dude legit said “actually…”

[@itsfr0st_gg]

yeah because he’s a literal fash 💀

[@CosyProlific]

Oh my God he used Yugoslavia as an example with 0 context I'm going to go insane.

[@UrMom-bc6pd]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) dide you litterally have bitcoin enthusiast in your name. Your opinion is not valid

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) ratio + stay away from children

[@sabettiae]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) there has never been a country that has instituted full worker ownership

[@CosyProlific]

@@just_a_turtle_chad omg hi turtle im blessed to be in your presence

[@CuZtuga]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) Weren't you called *conservative* loli waifu? That's some character development

[@subwayfootlong2678]

I follow a bunch of leftists on TikTok and they always stitch this guy and bully him, it's so funny

[@alz457]

so true!! i haven’t seen him since last year though. so do people still make fun of him for getting in that car accident and turning his ex gf gay?

[@rchow8051]

@@alz457 oh my god I didn’t know that happened.

[@android676]

Lol who do you follow?

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

@@alz457 wait what? I want to know what this means

[@alz457]

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 i’m not sure if i understand? basically, everyone (whether it was in his comments, lives, or during debates) used to make fun of him for getting into a car accident and “turning” his ex gf gay.

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

I just found out that Tik Tok Libertarians exist, I wish I hadn't

[@thechief043]

They're pretty good comedians.

[@yograndmamapapi]

It's obvious they would go on tik tok. Where else would they go? Tinder? Thats for adults

[@triggeredbeetle5370]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) 55 comments on a channel you dont like. Sad. Not going to feed you anymore than this though.

[@nntflow7058]

Capitalist enjoying Communist controlled applications.

[@cgilby9925]

The fact about Yugoslavia was incorrect. I did an Op-Ed on Market Socialism and one of my examples was of Yugoslavia economy. Their economy didn’t just immediately fall into disarray. It was actually successful for a couple decades until the 80’s when it collapsed. Before the 80’s, it was one of the most successful economies in Europe, larger than almost all their Western European counterparts

[@jonathanjoestarwithpluck4930]

Oh that’s really interesting! I’ve heard small things about Yugoslavia and their economic systems on leftist subreddits, but never a real talk about their success. Out of curiosity, why did it end up failing in the end?

[@jelenajelicic6713]

@@jonathanjoestarwithpluck4930 Failed when Tito died

[@praisethesun7255]

Why did it die?

[@burntnikesock212]

@@praisethesun7255 It went as went Tito. Once he passed, it was only a matter of time before it cannibalized itself. He was a solid leader, ruled in an autocratic way, but he was a good example of the benevolent leader/'dictator'. He always made sure his people were taken care of and done right by. Then the 'balkanization' of the region happen in the 80s/90s along with all kinds of ethnic, religious, and nationalistic conflicts. Region was super destabilized throughout that entire period, and then Serbia was sanctioned in the late 90s/early 00s. Whole lotta shit I'd recommend you take some time reading up on, really interesting, albiet unfortunate stuff tbh. Plus, I'm oversimplifying stuff for brevity, so I'd def say go look stuff on Yugo and the balkans for yourself. That being said, Yugoslavia was a great and successful societal project undone by outside forces and the greed of individuals.

[@james_chatman]

@@burntnikesock212 You see this is why I think the Balkans are hopeless and it's proof that people are not always driven by material conditions.

[@amellirizarry9503]

“just because something affects doesn’t mean you should have a say on it” yes it does, that’s literally what consent means, isn’t the argument for democracy always been that any from of power that isn’t tyrannical should come from the consent of the governed? Right “Libertarians” are such a joke

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

I wouldn't want to be his girlfriend that's for sure.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 *Bold* of you to assume he has or had a Girlfriend.

[@DeathnoteBB]

The classic “Libertarianism for me, Authoritarianism for thee” Basically Ayn Rand I think? “I can do what I want but you should listen to me and I’m allowed to make you.”

[@WristFreeze97]

The thing is, you have a say. You agree to a contract when you get the job. You did consent. Don’t whine about something you’ve agreed on, get a different job if you don’t like it. What you want is a dystopia where you barely have to work, you get paid like people who work harder and smarter than you and you get a say in everything. We don’t have that here, even though we are supposedly the prime example of working ”socialism” (even though we aren’t socialists and most first world socialists would be absolutely despised by us because they are lazy children). The rest of society doesn’t have to baby you because you are lazy, stupid and untalented.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@WristFreeze97 You said a lot to say absolutely nothing of value…

[@johnnyboy7777]

The most annoying thing is how anarcho-capitalists (or as I like to call them, feudalists) will make a bunch of correct criticisms and then be like "and the solution is factory towns."

[@Slavaisusukhrystu]

Isn’t it, “and the solution is state-less, classless, anarchy?”

[@johnnyboy7777]

@@Slavaisusukhrystu Ancaps only want to abolish the state, allowing direct and unregulated relations between working class people and capitalists. Their ideology would not abolish class. Namely, they do not want to abolish the system of capitalism that allows capitalists to exploit working class people, one that will continue to do so with or without a state. In fact, most ancaps refuse to even acknowledge the role that the bourgeois (who, in the US, are capitalists) play in lobbying the state to favor their interests over working class interests, making them the root cause of government corruption. By abolishing the state, therefore, they would only be cutting out the middleman. The true conflict exists between the bourgeois and the proletariat, the state is simply a mediator between that conflict. While true that the state is largely betraying the interests of the people in order to favor the interests of the bourgeois, abolishing the state wouldn't address that conflict. It would only get rid of what little leverage we have over capitalists through state power. Additionally, they often refuse to acknowledge the role (and necessity) of unions and worker strikes to ensure workers' rights under exploitative capitalist systems, or how allowing unregulated relations between workers and capitalists has always (and will always) result in rampant worker exploitation and abuse. In order to prevent such exploitation and abuse, there must be some level of regulation imposed on capitalists and their businesses, be it from the state or from the workers themselves. However, by allowing capitalism to take its course completely unregulated by the state, especially during an era where union membership is pathetically low, division based on class would only become exponentially wider. Some might even compare it to the system of feudalism or factory towns (like I did, before) in which there was no separation between the power of the state and the power of the bourgeois, they are simply one and the same. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely down with anarchism as a concept. However, anarchism is a leftist, anti-authoritarian movement. Ancaps are inherently right-leaning and don't seek to abolish authoritarianism at all. They just want to take the boot they believe the government wears and hand it over to capitalists so that they may exploit working class people directly, and unopposed.

[@yanburets4632]

@@johnnyboy7777 👏👏 To sum up, ancaps are just quirky fascists

[@erra1645]

@@johnnyboy7777 I don't think you've ever met an AnCap if you unironically think they support government lobbyists.

[@johnnyboy7777]

@@erra1645 The entire concept of anarcho-capitalism is a system of capitalism, of private ownership of the means of production, without a state or state oversight. The inevitable end result of that system is neofeudalism

[@louhortonsculpture]

No meritocracy no incentive to improve? As someone who works- it’s really hard to get less efficient if you do the same job every day. You just get better over time- almost automatically. If you need help or accommodations, and actually get them, you still improve over time. Even something as simple as a chair at the cash register helps you with fatigue- you’re more friendly and helpful to customers, and not too tired for hobbies after work.

[@traplover6357]

Even in a capitalist market, more ownership of the business via a co op = more incentive to make it profitable

[@AK-jm1sc]

A bit of a nit pick but standing up for the majority of your working hours has actually been shown to help with fatigue and improve health and energy, while sitting down all day is quite unnatural to our body and can contribute to worsening health issues. I think having the possibility to sit down and take a break from standing is important, but if you sit all day everyday, chances are you'll have more fatigue by the end of the day.

[@Zoltan1251]

efficiency is not the issue.... i live in Slovakia, post-communist country... the entire problem was that when nobody owned the business nobody cared about anything... people in my village for example were exchanging stuff they stole from factories and nobody cared about it in the factory because they still produced at over 110% efficiency....

[@louhortonsculpture]

@@Zoltan1251 yeah not owning it makes no sense. Here the managers let us think we have ownership because psychologically it makes workers happy, but they still don’t give us raises based on efficiency, merit, experience, or anything. The business model in what the media calls “unskilled labor” is that it’s easier and cheaper to constantly hire new people at entry level wages than to allow anyone to move up in the company. Sure you can be a shift manger at McDonald’s but you only get a dollar or two over shift workers who make about minimum wage, which is at or below poverty level here. A retail chain doesn’t hire a CEO from a pool of store managers, but from a pool of other CEOs or government lobbyists.

[@louhortonsculpture]

@@traplover6357 I used to believe that if I made the company more profitable I would get a raise- but that hasn’t been my experience because employers and “job creators” just lie and take advantage the US Protestant work ethic. That’s my experience at huge retail stores, small businesses, and even now municipalities are leaving government services to private business. Hell, it hasn’t even been my experience that I’m treated kindly most of time! Either pay better or be kind and respectful- they don’t have to, turn-over is cheaper. Distributing profits to the employees makes no sense in capitalism, you have to hoard wealth to invest your capital into ventures that will give you the greatest return. Capitalism isn’t “the best product” it’s skewed to favor whatever the investors of capital wish. There are a few people able to operate ethically within this system, I agree with that, but I can’t stand all the suffering. I just hate it, I was lied to so much.

[@ashschilling8672]

“Libertarian Alex Turner doesn’t exist, he can’t hurt you” Libertarian Alex Turner:

[@sch4891]

well he did once sing 'who wants to be a man of the people when the people are like you?'

[@lucaschinder3875]

I need to unsee this, u mustn't ruin Arctic Monkeys for me dude. This ain't cool :(

[@sch4891]

@@lucaschinder3875 sorry bout that. ugh... give 'riot van' a listen and youll love em again

[@lucaschinder3875]

@@sch4891 one of the many songs I learnt from em, I love it

[@rainbowlemniscate2761]

I have no clue how people can say, without any irony, that democracy is a terrible system and still expect any level of respect for whatever crappy opinion they say after that

[@Iturrisoga]

And you follow a communist like hasan?

[@chedamsko020]

@@Iturrisoga Lol

[@marcusdonahue7124]

Its closed minded thinking like that that prevents new, better systems than democracy being developed

[@dfgccgggff7963]

Rodrigo Iturrizaga liking your own comment lmao

[@studio3js196]

@@Iturrisoga liking your own comment and not understanding the fundamental difference between communism and socialism or really a mixed market advocate, which is what Hasan is from his own stated political positions….. rather sad you don’t know the difference between words in 2021 🤭

[@scoobyskreep3518]

never seen a libertarian with good facial hair btw

[@TheFrostbite324]

I mean it’s only right the ppl who argue against age of consent laws have pedo staches.

[@blindinghornet9079]

Does Matt Walsh count?

[@sourceeee]

@@blindinghornet9079 Matt Walsh looks like a sentient bitmoji

[@Loregasmo]

I’ve only ever seen libertarians with good facial hair. Republicans do the scraggly beards and Democrats are always clean cut. Libertarians are right in the middle, scruffy enough for facial hair but clean enough to make a point about trimming and styling. On the other hand, my mustache and beard never connect so that’s been a real pain.

[@ivybrooks7963]

I’ve never seen a good libertarian, period

[@bijova]

0:47 “ you can’t just say “logically” and then say whatever the fuck you want after it, and the people will be like “ that guys logical” But it worked for Ben Shapiro.

[@weirdo82]

Then again, Shapiro appeals to the easily fooled, and often idiotic. There's a reason even the "worst" online leftists mock his rhetoric.

[@dadbodenvy4247]

Political tik tok is even more shallow and intellectually empty than political Twitter and that's saying something

[@mango_11_24]

Logically anything is food if you eat it.

[@daraghokane4236]

Celery isn't. You lose wait eating it

[@SBRS47]

@@daraghokane4236 You lose weight as well. It wastes your time and waist.

[@leoterss]

@@daraghokane4236 still food though

[@Grrranola]

Is pineapple considered food since it eats you back?

[@jessieurena7583]

He's against patents but his entire world view is allowing a free market which will always end up being so powerful that it buys off the government and will lead too the issue

[@indictmntt]

And then these people get perpetually angry at the government when this is the nonsensical bullshit they perpetuate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@WristFreeze97]

Wow, an actual smart and rational comment. That’s a rarity in these parts.

[@erra1645]

Which one is it - half of the comments accuse him of being an anarchist who wants to do away with the government, the other comments suggest he has no issue with special interest lobbyists manipulating the government to do their corporate bidding? Why do you guys have such poor understand of actual libertarian ideology / free market principles? Oh, wait a minute. This is Cenk Uygur's nephews' comment section. I see.

[@21o36]

It blows my mind that some people can blatantly just exist in a world view completely devoid of human empathy and live on this idea that the market and numbers are all that really matter in life.

[@DjKryx]

My mother grew up in Yugoslavia, she always talks about how better it was to work back than. You had your 13th paycheck, the companies would let their workers vacate in apartments the company owned on the Croatian coastline, people hanged around together, there was this feeling of unity because nobody was fucking competing for same role in a company.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

its not workers cutting into the bottom line, its executives and stakeholders cutting into the bottom line. always.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Under capitalism workers are an expense to be minimised.

[@FuDiggity]

The US needs to rebuild the education system from the ground up.

[@FTJan]

It's only going to end up the same way 🤷‍♂️

[@SBRS47]

Republicans don't want that though

[@purexhoney]

We fr just need to factory reset everything and start again. We’ve gone too far

[@jackalcroft9709]

American Democracy is when no one regulates

[@Takokujin07]

I can’t even regulate my bowels

[@thatdarnskag5043]

@@Takokujin07 True freedom brutha

[@n1k01k0]

I am from Yugoslavia. It was an amazing country. We cooperated with newly formed Mid East countries and grew our economy and all the firm benefits went to workers. Everything was govt owned and workers got apartments even. We had amazing Sport performance, too.

[@shamusmarkus8699]

I don’t know much about Balkan history, what happened, I see people using those stats out on context all the time haha

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

@@shamusmarkus8699 civil war basically

[@unowno123]

If anyone wonders what the moment was when I thought peterson was a clown, I watched him a little bit and thought he was a good debater, but all his opponents were student who'd never had a real debate battle in their life. the main attraction is that he talks slow and speaks clearly so everyone can understand, but also completely dismisses facts or dodges questions. but the real tide turner for me with peterson was when he was talking about communism and facism, and he said "...stalin had an army standing ready to invade europe, so hitler was acting in europe's defense" which was the biggest lie ive ever heard, stalin WAS the soviet union, and he thought the intel reports about a german buildup were false to distract him from finding plots in his government, when the german army invaded the entire red army was whiped out and the rest of the war was fought by soviet conscripts, this was due to the soviets believing they could defeat the germans by retreating just like napoleon, which led to massive encriclements and let to the near entire destruction of the red army and then this guy comes along and claims stalin had an army ready to invade europe and was also planning to, even though stalin himself had a policy "communism in one country" actively being uninterested in expanding communism on a global scale

[@simonblackwell3576]

This isn’t related to your comment exactly but my personal moment of “wait what?” Is when he talked about how he told the Canadian newspapers about a “scary new law” but they didn’t heed his warning because they wanted money but COINCIDENTALLY after they found out that he had a very profitable following they started to see that what he was saying was right 😂 That just seemed so silly to me that the newspapers switching to printing his ideas were because they agreed with him and not because it made money

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@simonblackwell3576 but the law didn't even do what he was talking about it was all a lie lol

[@utena2]

I realized he was full of shit after about a week of watching him when I came across a lecture where he claimed that more men than women come to his lectures because men have to search for purpose while women are born with purpose (having children) lol

[@thelastpagan4999]

I like some of the shit Peterson say But the second he start talking about politics, ideology and religion i just keep shaking my head and laughing for how wrong he can be

[@7thDayAdventures]

Weird how this guy's hospital idea hasn't worked for industries like cable. It's necessary and overpriced. Why doesn't anyone compete? Why is there only one option in most places?

[@eljoel89]

Almost like we need municipal broadband and publicly owned infrastructure to give people internet access for cheaper and better quality through government contracting and regulating utilities.

[@taiefmiah]

@@eljoel89 exactly, that it's far too expensive for these companies to supply sprawling suburbia without exclusive contracts.

[@brandbusters183]

Just put LOGICALLY in front of every dumb thing you say, bam Dave Rubin levels Of BRAIN POWER

[@eljoel89]

Puts your brain in recovery mode.

[@brandbusters183]

@@eljoel89 So hard you may not recover.

[@xenosbreed]

I have no idea what the guy is talking about with there being incentives with a meritocracy in a business. 99% of workers don't try at all, and the managers I've met are stressed to hell because their livelihoods are reliant on their store posting record profits every single year with less workers and less benefits every year. Not only that, the only people who get promoted are the ones who the managers like personally or who is related to the higher ups in the case of family owned places.

[@SBRS47]

Yeah your incentive as a wage employee is to not get fired.

[@weakish]

Deregulating the powergrid in Texas back in the early 2000s has led to higher energy costs through passthrough and retail fees. Worse yet, there is no choice outside of who the retailer is, they all get their power through the same providers. You just get to choose who adds their markup and fees on top of it.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

Don't forget the massive failure last winter due to deregulation.

[@Christionem]

Obviously, the answer is even less regulation

[@chris135x]

It also depends on how many energy companies the government allows to exist. If there's only two energy companies, then of course the costs for the energy will be expensive. This is basic economics.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

the flaw in the patent system, is, it privatizes profits for owners, not inventors/contributors. CREDIT should be given, and a percentage, but not ownership.

[@ashfox7498]

Are we just gonna gloss over his assumption that only a boss with the power to threaten you with unemployement makes a business a meritocracy; but if everyone has a say then it's just obviously going to be some shitty slacker shop which crashes into the rocks because everyone who owns the business now someone has less incentive to see it succeed.

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

Oh I love "libertarians". I also love that the first time the word libertarian was used to apply to a specific political tendency it was a communist and it remained a word for exclusively anarchist communists until Milton Friedman and his pals in the 1960s changed it and I think was Rothbard who even congratulated himself and his reactionary friends on changing the meaning in the English speaking world.

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

Like seriously it was a letter from an anarchist communist to Proudhon calling his shit insufficiently libertarian because he kept market forces and was also a racist misogynist asshole, if he wanted actually libertarian society he argued Proudhon should've fought for communism and not be a douche to non-men and non-white people, that's the first known letter we have using the word libertarian in this way, but in French.

[@pi172]

@@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot you have a link to the letter? Sounds interesting

[@pi172]

I remember vividly how I was totally confused when I learnt about rightwing murican "libertarians" for the first time. Only a few years ago the term here in germany was only used by and for leftists

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

@@pi172 it's from a guy called Déjacque I don't remember too many of the other details. But looking up "Déjacque Proudhon libertarian letter" might get you on the right path I would imagine.

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

@@pi172 it's also on the Wikipedia article for Libertarianism I believe in the section on the early history

[@thechief043]

LOLbertarians have never been alright.

[@Serioslump]

I was a libertarian in high school 🤮

[@eljoel89]

You're ok now. That's what matters.

[@josebeteta8283]

I grew up with a friend in highschool that discovered libertarianism early on… I wasn’t good enough to turn him away from it, now, it is just the way he is. I couldn’t save him 🥲

[@Misa.misato]

@@josebeteta8283 RIP, f’s in chat 🪦

[@nymade4130]

0:42 conservative logic 101: No proof, no line of reasoning, just a statement. He could’ve just said “logically, I am right and you are wrong” and it would serve the same purpose.

[@denghazi]

I love that his argument pretty much distills to, if you change workplace conditions workplace conditions will change.

[@scoobyskreep3518]

literally 15 seconds in and KZbin already auto censored my comment about libertarians crying and shidding their pants

[@améliehester6996]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) Nice bait

[@saturationstation1446]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) marxists definitely means hyper capitalist feudalist authoritarian right?

[@liamsmith7519]

This is right up my ally. I study industrial/Organizational psychology and half my job is trying to convince companies that treating employees well actually pays off more than not.

[@codemonster8443]

> IQ 137 > AnCap Something dosent add up

[@weaponizedwinnebago]

If you are older than 15 and libertarian, thats an L

[@dexlab7794]

I bet if you read the books he mentioned they're actually really educational but he just cherry picked them like it's a Bible.

[@jimitaco1303]

I too was confused at the idea of increasing the number of medical staff by eliminating licensing requirements, but it's logically consistent with his policy of eliminating ch*ld s*x crimes by lowering the age of consent.

[@HungryGoat96]

that "no waay dude nooo way are you telling me shareholder value diminishes when workers have a say dude.... wHaT?! FUCK!" segment was pure gold

[@ADarnSmore]

"you don't get a say in what happens to you" "Anarchist"

[@supergamer5121]

Anyone else find it weird when he was disproving worker coops, the graphs on unemployment started in the 1960s, when Socialist Yugoslavia came into existence in 1945? Judging by the graph, the 60s were good, most likely the previous 15 years of Yugoslavia were also really good. It only took a bad turn in the 70s, when there was a global recession, the infamous ‘stagflation’. Even America was seeing higher unemployment rates at that time. This led to the rise of neoliberalism and people like Milton Friedman. So big surprise, the “debunking” of worker coops in that study, is lacking context, and missing large swathes of time. Can’t be too surprised from a guy with 137 IQ.

[@joepops_offical2544]

As a union member myself, I will make more money than this guy will ever make while working less.

[@scifisyko]

And it was good

[@basedlibertarianz910]

Making more money by restricting other people from joining the workforce, which is what unions have done in the past.

[@gonzalo4722]

@@basedlibertarianz910 You mean keeping your job?

[@basedlibertarianz910]

@@gonzalo4722 What?

[@gonzalo4722]

Restricting people from joining the workforce as in not getting fired, replaced or salaries ducked?

[@alexfunk6575]

This guy's stupidity is blowing my mind. I'm at the "certificate of need" part: "With these laws you have to provide proof to your federal or state government that your hospital or hospital equipment is needed. For example, if I wanted to add 200 more beds to my hospital, I'd have to prove that I need those 200 beds..." This man is proof that IQ is a measure of class, not intelligence

[@erra1645]

What's so "mind-blowingly" stupid about that statement?

[@eVaSpArTaN714]

@@erra1645 Jordan Peterson

[@imaresurcher]

he's citing research from neo-classical economists, one of the most corrupt "disciplines" in academia, wholly created to serve the rich and specifically those who owned most of the land

[@basedlibertarianz910]

Neo classical economics is fine with micro economics but only bad with macro economics, and worker owned coops and how they do seems to be micro economics.

[@christopherlundgren1700]

Setting aside whether democracy "works" or not, using the election of the last two presidents as evidence that it doesn't makes little sense considering how far removed the process is from being democratic. The people do get to elect their own president in a sense, as everybody can cast a vote at the end, but there are so many other weird traditions and barriers in between that determine who gets elected and how.

[@Slavaisusukhrystu]

True, and I disageee with the take, but he did cite two books

[@DeathnoteBB]

Yeah people are hating on democracy because of a system that isn’t even democratic lmao

[@hollandscottthomas]

"Your spawn point is very important for you." Lol, yes. Best way to put this.

[@Heinrick192]

This man's got an IQ of 137, and is stuck doing TikTok. Big brain move right there...

[@plumetheum7017]

Right? If only he used his claimed IQ to actually contribute towards society no?

[@bernardonunes128]

This guy is the proof that IQ doesn't mean nothing

[@christopherdoyle3028]

Love watching the highlight reel of the highlight reels from the clip industrial complex. Feels new every time

[@abigailelizabeth8985]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) literally schizophrenic

[@feelingevaporated2912]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) why do you have sexually predatory terms (loli waifu) in your username if you genuinely care about the well-being of children?

[@uhAngell]

@Fascist Loli Waifu (Bitcoin Enthusiast) find help :)

[@MrTruthAddict]

Logically, just because your body is involved doesn't mean you should have a say in it -Brock Turner, and this guy

[@TOH_Fan]

Logically, we must create a world where we all become magic little ponies that can cast spells that usher in a post scarcity society. It’s only logical *friends* .

[@Ben-vb2us]

I don’t understand how anyone can look at the United States currently and think “yeah, big corporations need some more help.”

[@soulwarsnerd]

I hate the argument the janitor shouldnt have a say on how his job should be done. I always hear it and I've done janitorial work and I've done it my own way and it always turns out better than how I was told to do it. I'm only 2 mins in and I'm expecting a the same take

[@Mirda1983]

I'm from Banja Luka, Bosnia, ex Yugoslavia. My mom worked for 17 years at Čajavec, which was a worker run factory, my dad worked at Jelšingrad, another worker run factory. We had free housing that was given to us by my dads factory and we still own to this day, medical, yearly winter and summer vacation, and they made good pay. We've now lived in Las Vegas for 27 years. My dad died in 2016 because we couldn't afford the medicine for his PTSD (Bosnian war) which led him to his heart attack. My moms retirement is shit compared to my uncle who immigrated to Norway instead of America... Everyone of my old neighbors and friends that lives back home would give anything to have ex Yugoslavia back.....

[@ashleyglass3346]

137 isn't even that high of an iq score lmaooo that's like having 5'11 in your bio 😭😭

[@matthewsatthewsssss4115]

That's genius level IQ.

[@xblade11230]

137 iq is equivalent to 6' 3.5" in height percentilewise

[@neuemilch8318]

@@matthewsatthewsssss4115 not Genius but Dame good

[@ashleyglass3346]

@@matthewsatthewsssss4115 it's literally not though? yeah it's high but it's not impressively high, which was my point.

[@taiefmiah]

@@matthewsatthewsssss4115 but what work does he do that shows that, besides a test score from a very arbitrary test. I don't care what the consultant who teaches me, a medical student, got as a score for his exams to be a consultant. How's his patient record, his ability to identify issues and create management plans. IQ tests are things you can study for, but are abstract. Hard work, motivation and the ability to use knowledge in situations to create practical outcomes we can measure are much more important to making a genius. It's like when you see those children spelling bee championships, it's wasted potential. Children with talent could be creating experiments, further improving their understanding of learning to create foundations for their future. Instead it's used to make them a dictionary no one needs

[@Hi.Jay.Low25]

First dude is for sure Dunning-Kruger personified

[@jacobhafar538]

This dude is what I like to label a “Ligmatarian”

[@teddyballgame4823]

The Spanish Union of Consumer and User Co-operatives (UNCCUE) celebrated its 70th anniversary at its General Assembly meeting in Madrid last month.

[@LLmarquee]

whenever someone gives you their IQ just cut whatever number by 2/3 and you have a more accurate assessment of their intelligence.

[@tommythecat4961]

Amazingly enough, the formula also works for number of sex partners, bank account, dick length, books read and much more!

[@pixality7902]

The problem is the insurance companies. Get rid of them and half the issues would be immediately solved. Even if the free market worked for healthcare, if it was affordable for average Americans, in its current state it would drive doctor salaries down and we'd still have less doctors because of the insane amount of money/time they spend in school.

[@Dave102693]

And make drug companies non profit orgs.

[@andredunbar3773]

3:50 I remember seeing a TikTok that explained the opposite: that the best way to maximize profit as a worker would be to put in as little effort towards one's job as possible.

[@politicaltroll8920]

Libertarian “Logic”: 🤖 🌈 🧮 🦄🤖

[@idylan505]

I cant comprehend how fucking smug that guy is.

[@ricardoborges534]

libertarians are not alright

[@no_name900]

yes they are altright

[@timothyfatburg9530]

They have a 5 year old mindset. "if we make the government have almost no power everyone will still be nice to eachother i prowmise 🥺🥺🥺"

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

so much to do, and americans are spinning their wheels going nowhere fast. we need to rebuild manufacturing bases. we need new electrical grid and water desalination/pipe systems. we need new political and economic systems. we need human rights (which are worker rights).

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Actually "we" (residents of developed nations) don't need manufacturing.

[@beel8436]

I actually read Caplan's book on Democracy and it's utter trash. - First, he says that democracy doesn't work precisely because the will of average voter is actually done (lmao) and the average voter wishes for harmful policies. Caplan also makes the astonishing claim that politicians don't make false promises because they'll be punished for not following through. He acknowledges the presence of special interests, but claims they only have impact on the margins because sticking up for any unpopular policies is too big of a career risk (I actually laughed out loud when I got to this part). - He fights against the idea that usury is bad, because loans and interest are a "quid pro quo" agreement between the lender and borrower that is mutually beneficial. Caplan rejects the idea that there is widespread "dishonsty, unfairness and deceit" among business elites because of "intelligent greed". His theory is that any foul play will ultimately ruin the reputation of a firm and therefore is not worth the risk or is rooted out by consumers going elsewhere. He uses this same logic with usury. I guess payday loans and crippling IMF loans don't exist! I also always find it hilarious that Libertarians claim that everyone is a self-interested utility maximizer, but would be willing to hurt their own financial standing and pay more for a product to punish firms that are morally ethically questionable. That contradicts all of Libertarian theory. - Apparently it's a "conspiracy" to believe that employers try to hold down wages. - Caplan implied that monopolies aren't widespread, despite virtually every industry now being dominated by a handful of firms. - He says that propaganda isn't a problem worth worrying about because people are already prone to be skeptical of the news, and that their core "wrong" beliefs existed before big media because of a "natural" disposition to them.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

Lmao i promise if you think youre immune to propaganda you already lost shits way more than just news

[@josephb456]

I love, LOVE that his IQ is one single point above the standard level for a "genius"

[@domo3182]

this guy ben is crazy. hes been on poltok for over a year and mutiple accounts and any time someone would call him out or debate his stupid take his army would go after their accounts and hatebomb them. I would know, it personally happened to me lmao

[@SketchSci]

bro second i saw ben on the thumbnail i knew it was gonna be a dumb take by him

[@rebeccalakin4347]

For someone with such high iq, he sure does trust wikipedia

[@annaisannaing]

iq is a literal myth, bing bong

[@rebeccalakin4347]

@@annaisannaing yeah. I know. It was sarcasm. I was being sarcastic. I was putting two conflicting statements together to show that he's more of a buffoon than he already was for putting his iq in his username.

[@XpvtsnowmanfanX]

So funny how everytime he mentions my hometown Syracuse he's just shitting all over it

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

"Syracuse: at least we're not Utica"

[@robertthedevil7598]

Right here in Syracuse, we're the heart of New York!

[@botz77]

Being a libertarian is not alright. Being a Tik-Toker is not alright. So these guys and gals are doubly not alright.

[@righteyeblind23666]

Tik Tok's existence is not ok

[@Erik_Nordlund]

Now we know Hasan’s IQ is at least 138

[@jessieurena7583]

Dude went outright fascist 😂😂

[@OrionCV1]

no hahha i just want unfair child labor and a 14 year old wife hahhaa dont say that

[@BooyahL]

The kid was like "I read the first 50 pages of two books in my life so that's what I base my whole world view on"😂😂😂

[@crimsonking4145]

fun fact: the dude in this video posted lip sync to post malone's better now in black and white when his ex gf broke up w him

[@BHHartman]

I’m 5’ 2” and my IQ is 78 Ladies, please form a line…

[@schizosarah]

charles manson core

[@kevinmclaughlin6778]

WTF does he think they're voting for? It's a labor contract, not a prom queen.

[@christianj5950]

this ancap guy is a great example of how “facts and logic” aren’t worth anything in a vacuum. you can cite a random paper to seem smart all you want, but you are neglecting that not everyone has the same ideological goals. shareholder profits is not something socialists want. you can say Actually, Shareholder Value Decreased and that’s not gonna mean anything if the other side WANTS shareholder value to decrease or not be a consideration. if you want to check the facts and logic, you need to know what someone values. ask about worker standard of living, and you have a much better metric from a leftist POV.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

He criticizes democrats, but are the libertarians trying to change anything?

[@theunholinesswithin70]

@ASquadWiper And how would overthrowing the democratic process modify the work place all over America?

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@ASquadWiper well the establishment republicans sure don't seem to mind it

[@ExPaNxIoN97]

Speaking of Yugoslavia, my grandpa got a free 80m2 apartment from his employer after being hired, he was making enough money to buy a new car every month

[@gabeasher187]

My partner is an ER doc, and she talks about how docs don't have unions all the time.

[@lukewise7020]

i hate how smug he is.

[@pola5195]

Average price of generic metformin (diabetes drug) in the US is $20. Over here in Europe I buy Glucophage (name brand metformin) for the equivalent of $1.30. The whole package. Btw love how a lot of American sites give a per unit price, very dystopian. Reminds me of the post-soviet 90s crisis when people were buying cigs by the unit, but with life-saving drugs

[@gUttersthecow]

i’m sorry but talking about the competitiveness of hospitals is so deranged to me lmao

[@akechilovebot3861]

Dude these metrics are always going to be insufficient to prove the quality of a workplace. I work in retail and one of my managers stood behind me while I took a survey about how much I like my job and if I have the tools I need to succeed. I was still honest but I felt like I should be lying so I don't risk my job.